/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>29770810
no 15 would just be considered the new level of not giving a shit if this is all i receive money,

>>29770810
Why should some nignog get paid as much as people who actually finished high school?

>>29770810
Why dont you raise it to 1 million dollars an hour?

>>29771919

this lol, people don't magically start giving a shit because you changed a number. Now $15 is the new bottom tier expectation

>>29770810

Because working class conservatives are fucking braindead retards and vote against it

>>29773555

All conservative arguments are bad faith, and they are shitty people with shit for brains

>>29773663
Yes in fact I would like fries with that, wagie. Now hurry up.

>>29770810
Actually there should be no minimum wage. Please take a basic economics course.

>>29773754
So why not?

Waiters still will only make 2 bucks an hour plus tip.

>>29773754
Silence, kike.

>>29773663
Back to the fryer, Steve.

>>29773754
Woke zoomer spotted. Watch out before he cancels you.

>>29770810
Nig that's 36000 dollars a year. How is this poverty

>>29770810
>bottom of the barrel workers would give a shit
>>29773663
>>29773754
Wagie ragie stomps his feet

>>29770810
>fast food wagie gets 15
>still gets mcdonald’s order wrong
no thanks

>>29774187
Half of that is just to rent an apartment. 9k to taxes. Now you're left with 9k a year for food, clothes and other bills

>>29773924

>if we raise the minimum wage by 7 dollars it will have the same impact as raising it by one million dollars

This is literally what conservatives are saying with this argument, it's all slippery slope bullshit.

>we should raise taxes on the rich
>oh yeah why not 100%

>we should regulate big corporations
>oh yeah why not nationalize them

>i identify as a woman
>oh yeah why not an attack helicopter

>>29773482
why should people who finished highschool only get $15 an hour?

>>29770810
Adults shouldn't be working children's jobs.

>>29774337
>25% tax in the 36k bracket
Effective 8.7% at this income
>renting an apartment in the hussslin bussslin big schittay
Getting tired

>>29774538
Then it should be easier to get a loan to “pull yourself by the bootstraps”

You’re a stupid fuck that never worked hard for anything and was given everything. Check your white privilege faggot

>>29770810
As a self-hating wagie that spent years working ,from the first year i could legally work a cash register, climbing the tiny ranks and raises to actually be making over 15$/hr, if I found out mcdonalds workers are now barely making less than me flipping burgers, i'm just going to give up and never try again.

>>29774599
He's right and you're wrong sorry.

>>29774422
Because highschool gives you no actual skills.

>>29770810
If they do pass it these niggers will be out of ther job. They do not bring $15 an hour of value to their jobs.

Thank god, I might start going to fast food joints again.

>>29770810
The employer has the right to pay the worker whatever he wishes, it’s his money. Sorry you don’t understand basic economics. All minimum wage does is hurt workers because the cost of business goes up so they have to cut on labor costs (firing workers/automating) or go overseas/out of state (less jobs for workers).

Communists are fucking retarded, no wonder they starve to death, they are one step above niggers.

>>29774538
>hurr durr why dnt these people just go and get a jerb in the ford factory like in the good ol days instead of working at the shakes bar

>>29773663
>calls other people braindead retards
>works for minimum wage

Kys

>>29774734
Maybe "because I say so" works for your mother but it doesn't with me kiddo.

>>29770810
Mostly I just wonder why nobody is bothered that wages in GENERAL have not risen. Not just minimum wage. Is this fight for 15 bucks just a way to distract everybody from the fact that quality of life in America has gone down the shitter?

>>29774341
No, the reason we ask you that question is because it forces you to admit raising that at some point raising the minimum wage brings negative consequences.

>>29773482
The ones who dropped out of drool are making hella stack, tfu talkin bout? No, this is for all the poor wanabee society people who never got the job after graduation.

>>29774341
>slippery slope bullshit.
That's not what "slippery slope" means retard.

>>29773663
>>29773754
t. has never run a business and has no grasp on economics

>>29774858
It's a start is what it is. 'oh but why are the burger flippers making almost as much as me!?!?' demand a raise, retard

>>29774877
>people should have access to clean water
>WhAt If ThEy DrOwN??

>>29774337
>it's this small business's fault that the jews are rigging the real estate market

>yeah I guess I'm just gonna go along with every shill proposal marketed to me by politicians instead of actually demanding freedom from my economic chains.

>>29770810
OP is a major bear symbol for this board

You want the cold hard truth?
Not everyone deserves to live above poverty, or at all.

>>29774877

Of course it fucking does, that's why we're not advocating to make it a million dollars. If it were just based on inflation alone it should already be $23

>>29774857
Hit me up when you actually get a job.

as someone that lives thrifty on $25 an hour, I don't want more competition for apartments etc.
fuck the minimum wage hike

>>29770810
How many people get a 2% minimum raise every year to hedge off inflation? Can we start with that instead of raising minimum wage?

>>29770810
dumb commieswine
>you raise the minimum
>you raise the inflation
>every single time

>>29773754
>>29773754

you will never be a woman and stay poor

t. conservative software engineer

>>29774877
no no don’t make him think, this is painful to npcs

>>29774954

It's actually exactly what it means. Google the slippery slope fallacy then come back and apologize you shitbrained inbred retard

>>29773482
you can get paid more too, if you're getting paid the same as a nignog then you will threaten to leave unless you get a raise. It empowers you too dumbfag

>>29775116
Guess how I know this to be fact idiot >>29774599

>>29774858
Pretty much. If you see it, save up and move out.

>>29775023
exactly what I'm talking about man. Why get angry at the poor people? Those with better jobs should be getting angry that the quality of life has fallen. There was a time minimum wage work could buy you a fucking house

>>29774708
the manager is a slave too moron

>>29774341
So why not?

>>29773663
>OH WAGIEEEEEEE

>>29774341
The point of these responses is to show that there is no limiting principle to your ideas. The same exact argument works for $15, $16,$17... there is no point where it stops working if you believe the change is harmless and all upside.

You have to actually do the leg work and explain why $15 is the correct number instead of letting the market decide.

>>29774341
WHY NOT NATIONALIZE THEM

>>29775166

I'm an accountant and probably make more than you

Minimum wage should be a trillion dollars a second for sleeping in and playing video games and if you disagree you’re a fucking serial killer

>>29775087
>Of course it fucking does, that's why we're not advocating to make it a million dollars. If it were just based on inflation alone it should already be $23
No, that's a lie. You've been lied to. See for yourself, run the 1969 (or whichever year the peak was) minimum wage through a CPI calculator and you'll get to about $11/hr.

>>29770810

how to make the ongoing unemployment crisis even worse with one simple step: a guide by people who think losers that didn't pass the 10th grade know anything about finance, let alone economics or how businesses and their departments will respond to having to pay nearly double to their bottom workers

>>29774756
then why is it mandatory

>>29775220
What really happens is everyone at the upper range of the payscale gets cut and they fill the vacancy with temps and other low wage people.
You are a business. You need to cut $1 million of labor. Do you cut 30 minimum wagies or do you cut ten middle managers?

>>29774708
No then you go to your boss and threaten to leave unless you get a raise too you little wagie cuck. If you can't negotiate a good salary then why the fuck are you not making the government negotiate for you.

>>29770810
the US collapse will be glorious

>>29775228
I actually made 35k and 10k was withheld. So he's right you're wrong.

>>29774341
>doesn’t even know what slippery slope fallacy is
>arguing on basket weave forum
Found the 5’4” little man syndrome wagie

>>29770810
i want it to pass but here's how it is

1. as long as the products and services meet the bare minimum
2. as long as there are no 1992-level riots
and more importantly
3. as long as the shareholders are happy

c-suite executives and politicians don't give a shit. the reason why the uber rich get tax breaks is not because its sound economic policy. it's because they contribute campaign money for politicians.

i lean conservative and don't view myself as a victim but reagan and clinton really did pimp our whole generation out for yacht money. outsourced manufacturing, for-profit healthcare, for-profit prisons. and people wonder why above-the-poverty-line middle class whites are shooting up heroin and having kids out of wedlock

>>29774337
>9k to taxes
You deserve to be poor. I hope when they do raise it, you're the first to be fired.

>>29775378
Because it teaches obedience and ignorance, not actual trade skills

>>29775241
moving out soon as I qualify for citizenship elsewhere, but I get the feeling life's going to be shit no matter where I go. Even the wealthiest countries seem to be crumbling

>>29770810
Imagine thinking joggers will ever give a shit about their mcjob

>>29775417
>just demand a raise
>fired because there’s millions of retards ready to fill the spot
God you’re dumb

>>29774337
>Half of that is just to rent an apartment.
$1,500/month?
Are you retarded. My TOTAL mortgage bill is less than that. 2,500sqft, 4 acres. 20 year old house.
You are such a pathetic moron.

There's people who did shit to climb what little raises and ranks could be afforded to them and only sit at $15 or $17 an hour.
They know their employers won't adjust their wages, it's still above minimum so it's fine, and while wages rise the quality of life won't improve.

>>29775624
>not being valuable enough to your boss to have enough leverage to negotiate a raise
kek, I thought minimum wage workers were valuable though? I can’t wait till you niggers are replaced by robots that don’t whine 24/7

>>29775460
Withholding isn't tax, it's money withheld for tax, the absolute motherfucking state
Tax on incomes >$9,875<$40,126 is 12%. You pay 12% on every dollar over $9,875. Net income =((36000-9875)(1 - 0.12)) + 9875.
>but muh state taxes
Move somewhere less jewish.

>hire less staff and work them harder
ah, the small business life

If you have a business, and really can't afford to pay your employees $15 an hour, you suck as a businessman and need to get your shit together.

>>29774341
>i identify as rich
>the government should give me money to make me rich

why hasn't anyone done this? they already pay to turn you into a transformer

>>29775925
t. Never owned a business

>>29775283

>You have to actually do the leg work and explain why $15 is the correct number instead of letting the market decide

That's the thing, we already have. Conservative retards like you just choose to ignore it. And attached is only from 2011 - the minimum wage should have been $16.50 in 2011 based on worker productivity, and it's still fucking $7.50 in 2021. $15 isn't the correct number, it's too low

>>29770810
cause burger kingdom is garbage. Seriously, no universal healthcare, no liveable minimum wage in any decent large city, no quality of life control. You all fucking hate each other and you deserve to fuck up until you actually cooperate

>>29775220
>empowers
Woman detected

>>29775272
better to be a house nigga then a field nigga

>>29775023
Why don't the burger flippers, retard?

>>29774846
Actually, unironically
instead of raising minimum wage ( or even in addition)
bring back good low skill jobs, like manufacturing to America, and pay those employees good wages. Much better in every respect. Paying people more to do bullshit jobs doesn't help, really. Treating symptoms

>>29773663
Please don't start this bullshit; both parties equally shit on and ignore working class and rural people especially.

>>29775417
how to get my ass replaced by a newbie nig who'll get paid the new minimum 15$ with none of my experience because no major retailer in their right mind is going to give raise spikes to all their employees no matter how good they are because of what the government decided is now minimum wage. I already admitted to being a wagie, you really think negotiating an hourly pay is the same as negotiating salary? Good fucking luck with that working.

>>29775536
You're a fucking moron. Any student who goes through high school at least knows basic math and english understanding and deserves to be paid a fair wage to live life. How the fuck do you expect people to have families if they can't even afford to live by themselves ? Go fuck off and die you cunt.

>>29775995
t. Owned an unsuccessful business

>>29776008
You can thank this guy for that

>>29776152
At least I owned a business you welfare nigger

>>29776134
No they don't nigger. Have you seen an inner city high school?

>>29775754
Not everyone lives in bumblefuck, Nebraska

>>29770810
yay for more unemployment since companies can't afford paying $15/h

It's a lot more complicated than you're making it out to be OP. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55410
Yes increasing min wage pushes people out of poverty, but about the same number of people lose their jobs and it increases the deficit.

Not to mention we don't know how an US min wage increase of this size would effect inflation and you already know that small businesses are going to get bent over by this, just look at LA five years ago. Not to mention they're still fiscally struggling from COVID.

Also NBER reported that people at the lowest class are the ones who are getting fucked the most by min wage increases which is hilarious.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w28388

>>29776295
that sounds like a you problem

>>29776254
LBJ was right, whites will accept a shit sandwich as long as niggers have a shittier one.

>>29776097

Agreed, but having a dem controlled prez/house/senate is the only way a minimum wage hike would be considered. If conservatives had complete control they'd probably lower it and call it the small business freedom eagle act

>>29775324
Try us

>>29776152
not him but most successful business owners have probably owned an unsuccessful business

>Quality of work would improve
Lol like fuck it would. I make £80k a year and couldn't give less of a shit, I'm waging until I don't have to anymore and achieving as little as possible for these bastards.

>>29776507

Republicans had total control for 2 years and couldn't even repeal ACA, yeah right. They're a fake controlled opposition party which is why we march consistently leftward over the decades.

>>29776134
doing something other than knowing the absolute bare minimum required to function in a society

they're at the bottom for a reason you fucking monkey

>>29776134
>Any student who goes through high school at least knows basic math and english understanding
If you really believe this you should kill yourself. There are college graduates who don't grasp these things.

>>29776461

Every time the fed or an individual state has raised the minwage, unemployment went down. It was the lowest it's ever been pre-coof

>>29776295
And that's my problem because?

>>29774656
They hand out loans like candy lol. I had no cosigner and no credit check for $80,000 in student loans as a fucking teenager

>>29776295

You're right. So leave the min wage laws at the state level. Why's that so hard?

>>29775925
If you have a job and can't get above minimum wage you suck as a worker and should probably off yourself.

>>29774656

if you can't make something out of the loans you get that's noone's fault but yours.

if you make below poverty you usually deserve it

>>29776830
Where's the link my dude because every source I've seen that's reputable disagrees

>>29776997
I doubt anyone in here is that unqualified but at the end of the day some idiot has to work the lunch shift at Wendy’s and I think it’s shameful that they’re basically wallowing in poverty when we live in the richest country in the history of the world.

>>29776134
>define living wage.
>if you say "enough to live a decent life" define 'decent life'.
>If you say "the basics" define 'basics'. If you say food and shelter, define the minimum 'food and shelter' one person must have or should be automatically granted.
>Then define who should set the prices for said 'food and shelter', but please consider everything you can, including imports/exports, supply chains, transportation, infrastructure.
>Also, who sells said food and shelter?
>And, who maintains the infrastructure of said sellers?

>>29777111

Last I heard high min wage states are paradises

>>29770810
I'm all for $15 an hour so fast food turns into 90% automation and they all get laid off

>>29775870
Now add medicare and social security. Also what's your point about withholdings? Thats still money not in your pocket. Effectively reducing take home pay by close to 30 percent.

>>29777137

Why? They could use a few of their meager braincells to realize they could make $5-10 more per hour taking a job at a warehouse or factory.

Do you pity the ox and cow in the barnyard too? Nature didn't make life fair. To each according to their ability.

>>29777180
The Pacific Northwest is unironically a paradise. They even send all the homeless druggies to the big cities so my rural bedroom community is extremely comfy.

>>29777137
that only happens because someone is willing to do it for that shit wage

>>29770810
Just letting you guys know, if a small business cant handle the $15 minimum wage, then they're a failed business anyways.

>>29777276

For now. Wait until your state governments realize you're out there, not squeezed yet.

>>29777242
Because I think it’s shameful that the person working the lunch shift is in poverty. Even a dummy doesn’t deserve poverty.

>>29776502
You're damn right.

>>29776080

Because they'll just get replaced with a poor person that will settle for $7.50/hr. That's how capitalism works, you always need a certain part of the population to be poors, so big corps can exploit them for peasant wages or the gov can recruit them to work for the us military israeli oil company

>>29777372

"Poverty" is relative. They still have a warm home, internet access, usually a phone, shoes, a car. Our poverty is another nation's middle class. I'm not crying about it, somebody has to come in last place dude.

>>29773482
Adjusted for inflation 15 freedom units probably isn't all that much.

>>29777180

Source: mein arsche

>>29776705
no drop outs are the bare bottom. they haven't even fully finished high school

Not every job is meant to be able to pay for your desired lifestyle.
Peg current minimum wage to inflation if anything.

>>29777454
I dunno I grew up in poverty and it certainly wasn’t as nice as you’re attempting to make it sound.

>>29774912
Learn to speak coherently before posting

>>29773663
This. I'm convinced all r*ghtoids are literally retarded.

Set it to $10-12 and have it automatically increase with inflation. Simple.

>>29777590

I did too and that's why I'm perma redpilled on it. You will never be able to convince me the majority of those people don't deserve to be there. Not all, but most. And they're all super fucking FAT.

Are you one of them?

>>29770810

1400 dollars is the bare minimum required to rent a two bedroom apartment outside of Chicago. How the fuck is a $1400 rent limit not getting passed? Quality of housing would improve aswell since renters would give more of a shit.

>>29777592

>wave a magic wand and tell big bad boo boo business to pay more
>also flood our country with millions of people every year

you vote with women, and nig retards, and actually think you're on "the right side", holy lmfao

>>29777137
I started by making a hair above minimum wage washing dishes at a feedlot. Got bumped to cooking with three raises in a year before I left for a campus job doing less to make more. Graduated and took a low salary with guaranteed increases and am now making 6 figures.
I know I went slow after graduating but I factored in job security for it (thank the 08 crash for giving me that mindset).
Anybody over the age of 20 making minimum wage is useless.

>>29777592

They're either retarded or professional grifters like shapiro/tucker/kirk who know what they're saying isn't true but just say what their retard hog fanbase wants to hear.

If you pay just enough for your workers to have a shitty existence, the business you are running deserves to go to hell.

The republican perspective is that if you raise wages that businesses will have to increase prices or go out of business.
BUT if you don't pay your emloyees enough, they start using government services extremely heavily. So you either need to pay your fucking employees enough to live OR create big government. If you don't do enough, things turn to shit. The republicans will start blaming the blacks at that point. They are insane.

>>29777180
Oregon and Washington? You mean the states with ample natural beauty and available space?

>>29770810
Quality of work would improve as well since workers would give more of a shit.
Imagine thinking that I'll give more of a shit flipping burger for a living when I know that no employer can legally pay me less.

>>29770810
no. What is needed is universal basic income to compensate for the growing automatization of the jobs

>>29777782
Lol imagine being this brainwashed

>>29777920

>Cali, Illinois, and NY aren't the ones dictating blue policy nationwide

FWIW, your states you cherrypicked shall die with time as well. It's the endgame of all hyper statist societies. They squeeze until there's nothing left, literally nothing at all, there is no reaction or recovery.

>>29777960
This is the logical answer, jews hate UBI.

>>29777832
Nice fanfiction bro, what point are we supposed to be at in it?

>min wage rises but spending power returns to normal in a year or so
>many of those workers then earn too much to qualify for government assistance but can't afford to live with the higher prices without it
>everyone eventually gets in a higher tax bracket
This is just a scam. Seriously, it's too easy to see.
Also
>national chains and online retailers benefit from national parity in buying power while local businesses in low wage regions that covid didn't kill are finally strangled

>>29777669
This. The majority of people in poverty are there by their own doing
>have kids before you're financially stable
>waste money on things you don't need
>waste money on expensive groceries you don't need but rationalizing it as "I need it to live". Rice and beans, pasta, chicken is way cheaper than steak, mcdonalds, etc
>not saving any money, not investing any of it
>racking up debt
These are why most poor people are poor

>>29777669
Why are you so desperate for me to be poor and fat? Do you think your spiteful viewpoint becomes more valid if that’s true? I’m earning six figures, in shape, married with two kids, and a homeowner. The difference is I don’t want to pull up the ladder behind me because I see how stacked the deck is against kids in the same situation as I was.

>>29777784
Thanks for your life story, I still don’t think poverty is a good thing.

>>29778246

And don't forget the large amounts of welfare floating around. Not only are they a bunch of miserable fat idiots, many of them are on the dole. My political views started crystallizing as a 7 year old when we moved next to a seriously obese welfare family next door that all sat at home and didn't work. It was an absurd, ABSURD concept to me at that age. Even I had chores and responsibilities, they lived in a pig sty and collected other people's money for a living.

>>29778260

I'm not desperate, it was just a question. Don't be insecure about it. Minimum wage isn't going to fix their fucked up mindset, it's going to cause an immediate boost to all living costs and negate the effect. You improve worker wage parity by constricting the labor supply, there is no magic wand.

>>29770810
Choose to be more valuable and your future won't be dictated by others.

>>29778342
Of course poverty is bad, nobody is saying otherwise
What we are saying is that the universe is made of dualities and there can be no “making it” without the ones who did not and will not become successful

I do agree with UBI though

>>29776943
And you’re still a teenager you dipshit.

You can’t just use student loans to start a small business dumb ass. Go try to start something with a credit like at 25-30% APR. you can’t.

>>29770810
Minimum wagies are the bottom of the barrel no matter how high you raise it. They'll still be broke at $100 minimum wage once the economy corrects for it.

>>29778369

>large amounts of welfare

Lmao

>>29773754
based.
Except even democrats are rolling over now. Probably because they got their bribes now that they threatened Walmart and shit like that.
Politicians are not your friends.

>>29777055
Ok boomer fascist shill.

How about let’s take a look at how easy it was for a garbage man to support a family of 4 in a white picket fence house. How has your venture gone for you? You truly feel like you’re free in America? I bet you’re one of those faggots that’s comfy with a 60-70k salary all their life.

Fucking sheep government cuck. The system is literally working against you and you love it you dumb ass.

>>29778599

21% of Americans are now on some form of welfare. And that number is vastly overrepresented among the lower class (naturally). JewDems intend to turn this entire bloc into a group of dependent, miserable stupid vote cattle who get whipped into action every election cycle. The treatment pays far more than the cure.

>>29777242
Not everyone is hiring all the time dumb ass , much less when you’re a teenager with no car because all you got is a Wendy’s in your hometown.not everyone lives next to factories y

Look at all the morons in here who don't understand why raising minimum wage is bad. Jesus christ people take a basic economics course. I don't get how people are too stupid to understand why raising the minimum wage is bad economically. People working minimum wage jobs are going to remain poor, even if minimum wage jumped to 100$ an hour.

>>29778064
California is already at that point.

The average citizen has been squeezed out, the rich, which the state hoped to tax the fuck out of are leaving, and as a result the state wants to now go after everyone leaving and shake them down for all their money. They want to tax them for a decade after they leave and try to sue them for the money, or arrest them if they show up in the state again.. if they don't pay.

They want to tax citizens over 64% of their earnings. The middle class is shrinking, houses are being bought by leasing companies when people sell now.

The state is turning into a rental state, no one can own shit.

The people making the calls are also in on the take.

The state is facing a split right now that isnt being covered by the media. Norcal and Eastern California are looking to split from California because unless you're Los Angeles or San Francisco, they do not give a fuck about you. Norcal's economy got fucked by Bay Area politicians because they merely hated the idea that they were doing logging. So they made it much harder. So we ended up dependent on Canada's logging industry instead. All because they hated the idea that someone may be doing something somewhere that they hated.

Same people have diverted money from infrastructure, which led to Oroville Dam facing destruction. All so their pet projects could be fulfilled.

Most of the state disagrees with Sacramento/San Francisco's ownership of the state. Los Angeles gets a small voice in the state, and no voice in the presidential election.

Most of the electoral votes are in... *drumroll* San Francisco! A city smaller than Downtown Los Angeles in geography and population.


Same people want everyone to hand over all of their money to the state. They believe the people serve the state and they get to sit on their ivory towers ordering us around and fucking the state up. It's been like this since 1988.

>>29778833
But everyone lives where there’s a demand for essential services
I’ll still be getting paid to mow lawns regardless of where I live

>>29778434
I’m not insecure about it, the venom in your posts is very apparent. I’m guessing you’re either fat or formerly fat, it seems like that’s the case for people who are really vocal about how bad fat people are.

>>29777784

Shit argument because society still needs the jobs that pay minwage. You can look down on them or whatever but we need fast food and clean streets, and if you think the people working those jobs don't deserve at least 15 fucking dollars then throat my cock

>>29777784
not everyone is lucky enough to even have places hiring around them you dipshit. And not everyone gets “promoted”. I for one am a minority and am perpetually stuck doing the same thing without the ability to move up anywhere because I’m so fucking good at everything I do. Meanwhile timmothy wigginbotham the third cracker ass never went to college and got the same job as me and is offered a promotion because he did nothing for 2 years in the navy lmao.

>>29775079
Mostly console users and drug addicts.

>>29778904
This sort of “common sense” and “basic economics” rhetoric that gets thrown around when we talk about minimum wage pretty much always reflects the poster’s own poor education. The reality is that the data isn’t supportive of the Econ101 theory about supply and demand curves.

>>29778748
I'm 20 and about to graduate as a first gen college student who spent 50% of their life without internet, tv or reliable clean drinking water but believe whatever helps your narrative dude

if you have a family of four you should not be working at a garbage collection job, it's just unfair to your kids

>>29778909
Jesus Christ, so when sheep defend the state out of “pride,” I’m guessing that’s just inexperience and Stockholm syndrome talking?

>>29778904

>take a basic econ course

The irony

>>29770810
Every small business would die

Because it's comparable to the median wage in many areas and raising it cuts off opportunities for low skilled people, whether it be in the form of lower hours or job losses.

Also, many people live off wages lower than that. It's more likely you would just price those people out.

National wage floors, especially in a time marked by widespread job shortages is an incredibly ignorant idea pushed by socialists and public sector unions. The moral righteousness of these assholes is what pisses me off the most.

>>29778996
>deserves
I don’t think they do, I had to work my way up to fifteen dollars, I’m not about to have some fag who got fired while I stayed true get paid the same amount as me

Similarly, if Uni is going to be made free, I want a 20,000 dollar check

The minimum wage should be $0.

>>29776080
How are the burger flippers, retard?

>>29779212

True just like the last time they raised the min wage, every small business died

>>29776243
>Owned
Nmgi

>>29779251
The 'minimum wage' *is* zero.

Gotta know your T. Sowell.

>>29779234
Nah I’m in the same boat as you and don’t see the problem with other people making more money just because “hurrr hurt I wurked so hard”

You sound like such a faggot incel.

>>29779493
And you have no argument

>>29778992

I'm just trying to counter your overwhelming amounts of undeserved sympathy and tearful posting, anon. I don't hate them, I'm just more realistic about them than you are, and don't want to see our economy torn up by pathos based retards.

>>29778833

Some warehouses? Really are. High turnover rate, decent pay. But you're on your feet and working. And if your area is totally shit you could... move to a better place. This is a huge country and plenty of regions need workers. But poor people don't think like that, they're usually quite myopic. That's why they're poor.

>>29779212
No small business has died yet. There’s a lot of small business hiring at 15+ you’re just delusional and never dyor which is why you haven’t made any gains and still complain in this thread

>>29779234

This mindset is so stupid. Waaahhh but i had to deal with it so we should never make it easier for anyone else

Imagine if Salk was like "well my mom died of polio so why should anyone else be saved? They didn't even put in any work on the vaccine" lmao

>>29779604
The people who you want to make it “easier” for wouldn’t even take advantage of said “easiness”
Once a loser, always a loser, I would know

>>29770810
>minimum wage doubles
>everything costs more
>my wage stays the same
No, fuck that.

>>29779549
How can the economy be torn up by people with no money?

>>29778909

The Bay Area is crazy zealous and all powerful now. Check out this donor list from the senate race in GEORGIA ffs.

>>29770810
Those businesses would raise their prices to compensate anyway, effectively gaining nothing.

>>29779031
Seethe

>>29779780

It's not them, it's the actions, the government intervention that's supposed to be positive but is frequently just more and more destructive, ignoring the real reason the entire time. Rather than going back and forth, back and forth, another min wage increase here, some more welfare there, some more public housing there, you could fix the root issue and uplift a solid chunk of the lower class outside of their perma impoverished station.

Fixing a system does much better things than playing micromanager with imperfect actors in the government.

>>29779374
The legal minimum wage is not $0. If you employ someone and pay them $0 an hour they can sue you (unless they're in a profession like waiting tables). Therefore, the minimum wage is not $0. What am I getting wrong?

t. read every single Thomas Sowell book

>>29777240
>Also what's your point about withholdings?
You can adjust withholdings, genius.

>>29777302
>Just letting you guys know, if a wahie cant handle living because of minimum wage, then they're a failed human anyways.

>>29779714

>everything costs more

Everything always costs more. Remember the trump tax cuts, which were among the largest in us history? Did prices go down? You're being played.

>>29777372
Poverty doesn't actually exist in the west. Our poorest are fat and wear designer clothes.

>>29777445
But the other guys can demand a higher wage? You contradictory moron.

>>29780316

Can you explain your logic? Why would tax cuts "make everything go down"?

>>29770810
>biden voters posing their L's

>>29780370
Fucking based statement

Corporations are selling retards the idea of guilt tripping small businesses who have to sacrifice wages for something else quantifiable because they don't have to make sacrifices themselves. You can tell who has and who hasn't owned a business in this thread by who can understand risk taking and prioritization in financially difficult times.

cool, so now 16 year olds are entitled to $15/hour, despite being in high school, living with their parents, and having no expenses.

government can't force a company to fill a position, so companies will just have fewer workers, and they'll automate more. gas stations used to have people who pumped your gas for you, and unless you live in NJ, that simply doesn't exist anymore. the same thing is already happening in grocery stores, where they have 15 lanes, and 1 person is watching over the self checkout section. ultimately i think a lot of retail stores are just going to close.

>>29770810
Yeah it should be better but that won't happen specially in the US and A, i got 10 dollars per day for years and i was still able to do not being a fag, saving ans then investing while improving myself stop throqing your money away in booze, bitches or weed op what's wrong with you?

>>29778342
Ok? Life can toss you shit. You shouldn't be flipping burgers at Wendy's and expect to make it. It's a job for high schoolers. If you want to cook for a living, improve your skills and actually get to a restaurant.

>>29777960
We actually have this already. Its called welfare.

>>29778996
Those aren't the jobs to make into careers. If all you want to do in life is flip burgers, then you get paid like it.

>>29770810

If you don't advocate for at least $1000 an hour, a fucking living wage, you're a souless, inbred scum and should have been aborted.

>>29779031
Maybe you're just a horrible person who isn't worth the cubicle you take up? Not lucky enough to have places hiring?
Get on the fucking internet, dude. If you don't like where you're working find a new place. The government loves hiring useless specs and niggers.

>>29780769
>universal
I can’t get welfare because I am slightly less impoverished than those who can

>>29770810
employers would simply cut back the amount of staff, switch to tip supplementing, or the cost of goods to go up. $15 is a bandaid that wouldnt even last a year.

>>29778064
You mean the states with high minimum wage that you state are paradise? You now state that those policies will destroy those states.
Ok, I think you're confused, but ok.

>>29771919
literally this
I learned this in econ 1000 in university. Changing the minimum wage just changes the bottom of the barrel price, I dont get how people in this country still whine about minimum wages

>>29780458
Ask a conservitard

>>29781239
>moving goalposts
Jesus I though conservatives were the ones arguing in bad faith?

>>29780167
The real minimum wage is zero because you could be unemployed. That's what Sowell meant when he said it.

>>29778599
It's the largest expense in the American budget you knob.

>>29781361

>>29778738
>threatened Wal-Mart
Wal-Mart supports $15 minimum wage.

>>29774656
>WhITe PrIvaLedge

aww need your binky faggot.need me to pay for your food stamps? seetheee. there is no such thing.

When someone dodges your questions it's best to just disengage, for your own sake

>>29778909
>Norcal's economy got fucked by Bay Area politicians because they merely hated the idea that they were doing logging.
And guess why you have wildfires every year now.
I'm sorry for your situation, anon. That area of the country should be paradise.

>>29779031
0/10 bait. Fuck off

>>29776830
>Labor is more expensive now? Time to hire more people!

>>29779270
Try English this time.

>>29781239

No.. we expect it to put more of our own money in our own pockets. Which it does.

>>29781490
Nah, just keep digging yourself further and prove your political stance one dimensional and you have absolutely zero nuance to your thoughts

>>29781902
Try looking at data instead of making an anecdotal observation you absolute mongoloid
>People who make more money spend more money
>Spending money creates jobs
Not rocket science idiot

>>29770810
>cant remember to put my sauce in the bag
>wants a liveable wage
come on

>>29781101
>basic
As in baseline. Apparently you're above it.

>>29780316
I make $25 per hour. Currently my wages are $17 more than minimum and my buying power reflects that. If minimum wage doubled and went up to $15, my wages would only be $10 more than minimum and my buying power would reduce significantly because my employer won't give me a $7 raise to compensate for increased minimum wage. If every employer DID give out raises to compensate for increased minimum wage then the increase would be meaningless for the minimum wage workers. If you think that DOUBLING the minimum wage will not impact prices of goods, services, and even rent then you're hopelessly naive.

>>29782215
Prove WHAT you mongoloid? Liberals aren't the ones saying "Cut taxes on the wealthy and life will be better for everyone". Ask a CONSERATIVE to defend the hat stance. Jesus fucking christ how goddamn retarded do you have to be to not follow the conversation happening before your very eyes? Go ahead and prove your point that the moon doesn't exist. Oh, you weren't the one saying that? Wow way to move the goalpost.

>>29770810
Sir, this biz, we don't give a shit about your politics here, take it to pol. And no, a nigger won't make a better hamburger because you pay it more.

>>29770810
There shouldn't be a minimum wage at all, shitty Jewish trick to give people the bare minimum

>>29781375
I see, thanks

>>29773663
>>29777592
maga voters
>againts mass immigration so wages will increase
>against megacorp
>bring back industry
>local economy over globalism

le allies of the working class and libertards
>againt all thise becuase is racist and harmiful to the enviroment

but yeah those damned hicks

>>29773663
>>29773754
based

>>29788242
kys faggot

>>29788242
>i work at McDonald's and I'm 30 years old
>based

>>29787945

>>29773482
Why does that matter? It doesn't. A living wage is a living wage

>>29770810
would be more money in the economy which would help all of us. its really dumb to have it so low