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2968160 No.2968160 [Reply] [Original]

Spoofy is group of traders (possibly even Bitfinex themselves) manipulating the price of Bitcoin:

1) placing large bids ($2M and up) for Bitcoin, usually just under a smaller bid order, only to remove them once someone starts to sell. These orders usually have a lifetime of minutes, or sometimes as short as 5–10 seconds to manipulate the price up (more common);

2) placing large asks ($2M and up), for Bitcoin when he wants the price to go down, or stop going up (less common);

3) occasionally ‘Spoofy’ will allow orders deep in the orderbooks to remain for a few hours, usually $50–$100 below the current price. For example, during the recovery above $2,000, he had roughly 4,000 BTC of false orders in the $1,900 range that were unlikely to execute, and ultimately were never executed.

What is ‘Spoofing’, you may ask?
>Spoofing is placing orders which you have no intent on allowing to execute.

The goal of spoofing is to send false signals to other traders that they will act upon. Placing a large bid may indicate bullishness, causing traders to close short positions and possibly even buy Bitcoins.

You can profit from this by placing asks for your own bitcoin, then send false signals for bullishness, and people close short positions by buying your Bitcoins you have on ask orders.

You can also do the opposite. Placing large asks indicating bearishness, causing people to close long positions, perhaps also into your buy orders.

Bitcoin exchanges are largely still unregulated and do not police for spoofing, wash trading, and other shenanigans.

>Spoofy is able to manipulate the prices so easily because he simply outwhales everyone else on the exchange. Spoofy is a single entity with between $20 million and $60 million USD on Bitfinex, but it could be more.

In order for someone to combat Spoofy (by dumping into his orders before he can remove them all), they’d have to put a lot of money on the exchange.

>> No.2968188

>>2968160
>In order for someone to combat Spoofy (by dumping into his orders before he can remove them all), they’d have to put a lot of money on the exchange.

Or the exchange could act. The fact that they dont probably means that they're in on it.
Its illegal by the way.

>> No.2968225

>>2968188
>Someone uses the functionality built into the exchange (post bid/ask, cancel)
>But with more money

It's a conspiracy! The exchanges should treat people with more money differently! That would be fair!

>> No.2968259
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Spoofy shows himself during three scenarios.

1) The price is falling too fast: Spoofy then places up large bids which trigger a recovery.

2) The price is rising too fast: Spoofy then places large asks to prevent the price from moving too high.
>Spoofy singled handedly prevented $3,000 on GDAX by a constantly re-filling sell order just under $3,000 before he finally let it drop.

3) Spoofy will also drive the price up if the ask side of the orderbook is thin enough.
Spoofy will place his own sell orders, then buy them with an alternate account (or another conspiring trader).
>It’s why we see these vertical price recoveries.
They can simply go back and forth between each of their accounts. $1 million of wash trading only cost about $1,000~ in fees.

>A single real bitcoin sell to another trader pays for all of his wash trading, and that goes out the window if Spoofy is in fact the exchange or exchange management.

Note that Spoofy has been spotted on GDAX as well... however his orders though on GDAX are much smaller. Usually 400–500 BTC spoof bids or spoof asks.

>The exchange rate of Bitcoin has been heavily manipulated as a result of spoofing, wash trading, and other shenanigans.

This is not healthy long term for the price of bitcoin and the possible future collapse of Tether and Bitfinex will cause a dramatic effect on future Bitcoin prices because we will no longer have these false signals coming out from Bitfinex.

I don’t believe a bank is going to do business with an exchange as such as Bitfinex, and banks are probably hesitant to do business with a institution who has also sued a large bank in what was obviously a frivolous lawsuit and then withdrew the lawsuit a week later.

>Nobody needs the ability to place $2M to $15M of buy orders for Bitcoin for five seconds.
They could prevent a lot of this activity by simply not allowing orders over a certain size to be removed until a timer lapses.

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2968299

>Nobody needs the ability to place $2M to $15M of buy orders for Bitcoin for five seconds.

Nobody needs the ability to place $2M to $15M of buy orders for Bitcoin for five seconds.

>Nobody needs the ability to place $2M to $15M of buy orders for Bitcoin for five seconds.

pic related: Bitfinex got cut off by Wells Fargo, and immediately Bitcoin starts the most epic bullrun (lucky Bitfinex, noone wants to cash out...)

>Nobody needs the ability to place $2M to $15M of buy orders for Bitcoin for five seconds.

>> No.2968633

>>2968299
>needs
Is it called the bill of needs? ;^)
If some exchange decides to implement this "feature" in order to attract guppies, no be problem.

>> No.2969200

>>2968160

then we should just align our speculation to Bittrex Spoofy maneuvers

>> No.2970163

Original article was here:

https://medium.com/@bitfinexed/meet-spoofy-how-a-single-entity-dominates-the-price-of-bitcoin-39c711d28eb4

>> No.2970180

>>2968225
kek

>> No.2970183

OP, you're one salty Bcash motherfucking bagholder.

>> No.2970218
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2970218

>>2970183

t. "I love being an Useful Idiot for Bitfinex Spoofies"

>> No.2970234
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>>2970218
blub blub btc crashed muh bcash

>> No.2970255

>>2968160
ITT: OP figures out obvious shit that those of us who have been trading have known for fucking years
Fucking newfags.

>> No.2970277

>>2970255
t. yet another Useful Idiot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

>> No.2970388

>>2970163

Good read. Seems as if the foundation is being held together by a large portion of what seems to be usdt n bitfiniex.

>> No.2970758

>>2970183
spoofed

>> No.2970781

>whales exist
Nice thread, OP.
inb4 useful idort

>> No.2970794

>>2968160

Welcome to the world of trading

>> No.2971880

>>2970781

The more you know about The Whales™, the more you will avoid errors.