/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>29663664
Don't care

>>29663741
you will

>>29663664
It’s not just the stock market it’s all markets

>OH MY GOSH 1.5% THE SQUIZZLE IS ABOUT TO SQUOZZLE

>>29663741
Why enter the thread then? Why comment? Why even browse /biz/?

>>29663664
All this signals is that inflation is out of control and the richfags know it.

>>29664030
i agree, but higher rates still pop the stock market bubble even if they are not higher in real terms

>>29663664
>US
Irrelevant never investing in anything american. Die.

>>29664308
I guarantee this will effect whatever small country we could conquer in a week you hail from.

>>29663801
still waiting on the housing market to crash

>>29664777
>777

>>29663741
based

>>29663762
How will this effect my shitcoin holdings?

>>29665211
They’ll go to 0 along with all of crypto. It’s value is tied to Fiat.

>>29663664
>Anon on biz predicts global market crash
Short the market with leverage then you pussy.

>>29664703
Trust me we would last two weeks and my country is of medium size. You're too busy dying for the jews anyway. Also it won't affect shit. You'll just be bent over by Euros as your shitty dollar dies.

>>29665307
Dang what's the future going to look like? Should I invest in ammo or can goods to trade?

That's why I long tens of thousands of shares of UVXY

>>29665587
Too soon. When it gets closer to 2% that's when it's really fucked

>>29665642
>Euro tied to China
>China tied to America
>America Consumerist Economy
>China Manafacturing Economy
>China 1.3 Billion
>America -x4 less than that.
>china implodes after america defaults
China will declare war first, and get destroyed. This depression cannot hold off War. The elite will lose control soon enough anyway. Your Euro will be a meme just like the dollar. Welcome to the retard exposure based fraction reserve banking global economy.

>>29665659
Much more wise to invest in independent water and food infrastructure.

>>29665307
>It’s value is tied to Fiat.
you really don't know jack shit about crypto do you?

>>29664308
>>29665642
Coping third worlder.
Your lives revolve around American culture and I guarantee you wear American clothes and watch American entertainment while hypocritically complaining about Americans.

>>29663664
GOOD

>>29665950
>crypto is worth anything outside of a riskless economy. (which is to say the economy doesn't exist.)
Who is going to trade vaporware coin when people will be bartering for physical assets if SHTF really hard. Governments can and will regulate it, its just a giant game of shitposting chicken obscured by memes and a Boer whos time is coming.

>>29666141
>vaporware coin
if that is your investment then reap what you sow

>>29666169
dis gonna be gud

LETS GO BOBROS

>>29666128
no to all 3 of those accusations, the only time america is mentioned in my country is laughing at how much of a shitshow you guys are and how bad white people are gonna have it in 20 years, enjoy SA/Rhodesia part 3

>>29666128
Actually all my clothing right now at least is local. Entertainment, not really besides any american jewtubers.
>>29665827
I'm okay with war, need some way to get rid of the non whites bleeding the economy.

BROS WTF

What about yield curve control, that can help right? They'll do it if gets bad enough right?

>>29666423
Do you feel proud of being used as a bioweapon against us? God this timeline is so fucked.

>>29664777
We all are. Tho I am not convinced it will. Even if it is overpriced land and houses are one of the best stores of value. In the event of inflation/uncertainty/stock market crash we may see even more money flow into real estate. Which would result in the price continuing up.

>>29666672
yes, but what effect do you think that will have on the market that is already being sold off due to falling confidencei in the dollar and inflation expectations? by the time its all played out the fed will be the only holder of us bonds

>>29663664
Why do people buy treasury bonds when they haven't even kept pace with inflation for decades?

>>29666752
come home white man

>>29666758
no you won't

>>29666782
what effect will it have?
everything goes 100x or -90%? which one and what to do this is stressful anons

>>29663741
>>29663762
I'm a longer term investor. Some of my stocks even have dividends, so I can just DCA.

>>29666924
>government prints fuck loads on money
>people sell bonds expecting inflation
>government prints more money to stop yields going up as people sell bonds
>more inflation and more loss of confidence
>people sell more
>fed buys more
>repeat
>people sell more
>fed buys more
>repeat
>weimar mode

on a 10Y chart its in a dip. why is it so bad - there must be other factors?

>>29665642
Cope.

>”the worlds reserve currency entering hyperinflation won’t wreck everything”

The absolute state of third world education.

>>29667066
So in this scenario, do you expect crypto and metals to moon hard? Or maybe only metals and commodities? what about real estate and stocks?

>>29667066

>>29667307
because as time goes on there is much much more debt, so it takes a lower interest rate to create a debt collapse. For example if your economy hjas $10 of debt with 10% interest your economy has a $1 debt burdon, if your economy has $100 of debt with 1% interest the economy has a $1 debt burden despite interest rates being 10x lower

>>29664777
Waiting forever confirmed

>>29667363
gold is selling off today because in the short time it is highly corrolated to us treasuries, in the long term this is very very very bullish for gold

>>29667665
holy shit I've never thought of this

>>29664777
>>29664966
LETS GOOOOO CHEAP HOUSIES FOR EVERYONE

>>29667765
what about the rest? what are YOU doing to prepare fren?

>>29664777
Honestly please I want to buy a rental property

>>29667813
that is why the only way for this 35 year old bubble economy to survive is constantly lower and lower rates and will eventually end in hyperinflation

>>29667665
ok, I see - isn't there some chart that accentuates that - the amount that needs to be repaid based on debt and percent?

>>29663664
Ok. So now I know. What do I do?

>>29667898
i own loads of gold, some real estate that not really an investment, some commodity stocks. nothing that that is currently over valued as it will go up in price but down in value. for example if apple stock is $100 today and a loaf of bread is $1 would you make a profit if you buy apple to hedge inflation and it goes up to $200 if a loaf of bread now costs $5

>>29665642
>Euro
Negative interest rates
NGMI

>>29667066

lol you retards have been predicting this for the past decade, let central banks struggle to even get inflation up to target

Hyperinflation any day now...just you wait!

>>29663664
I wonder what the smartest move is then. Not investing at all means either accumulating cash (which will completely lose value) or spending it on consumables. Investing it in in stocks will probably still mean I lose my value when the market will crash.

The remaining options seem metals, precious goods (art, antique, oldtimers, ...), crypto (probably dinosaur coins like BTC and ETH?), real estate and maybe some specific stocks (but which industries/companies?).

>>29667946
debt that large cant really be repaid with out creating deflationary collapse as when debt is repaid the money is destroyed

>>29667927
This is 100% correct
For a fancier and more data driven proof of this see:
The Illusion of the Perpetual Money Machine
https://ideas.repec.org/p/chf/rpseri/rp1240.html

We argue that the present crisis and stalling economy continuing since 2007 have clear origins, namely in the delusionary belief in the merits of policies based on a “perpetual money machine” type of thinking. Indeed, we document strong evidence that, since the early 1980s, consumption has been increasingly funded by smaller savings, booming financial profits, wealth extracted from house price appreciation and explosive debt. This is in stark contrast with the productivity-fueled growth that was seen in the 1950s and 1960s.

erm, it just went over 1.5% for a sec...

>>29668091
theres not going to be hyperinflation until there is, and i dont think it will be here this year, i think there will be another deflationary hit first, but once money velocity picks up the hyperinflation will happen, the foundation is already in place

>>29668095
Cash and crypto. MBS is going to get hammered after summer highs.

>>29668095
Guns and ammo,
Oil stocks in companies will the smallest amounts of exposure possible to banks.
Water and stocks associated with it
DOD stocks.

>>29666330
Dumb fuck any crypto can vaporize by definition.

>>29666888
checked
>>29666758
>if equity prices collapse capital will flow into the particular equity i am bullish on
ive never understood this mentality. lots of people on here say that with crypto as well which is just ridiculous

can someone ELI5 what's so hot about this 10 years treasury thing. 1.45% doesn't seem that big of a deal?

>>29668091
>central banks struggle to even get inflation up to target

>>29668364
>by definition
it literally cant though. Seethe more

>>29668463
Rising trend and 10 yrs dictate rates typically.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/less-1-point-away-convexity-disaster

>>29668495
seriously lol

>>29666128
>hypocritically
yeah cause the whole world has to admire how perfect your jewish golem, consumerism-promoting, nigger loving, tranny exporting """""culture""""" is because of the might of the military industrial complex behind it, right?

>>29668605
Okay streetshitter how you going to cash out after power grid failure

>>29668643
>typically
There is no typically

>>29668659
there has been massive inflation over the past decade just not in commodities, stock market bubbles are inflation, housing prices are inflation, its not just consumer goods prices which is where that inflation will eventually flow. you dont invest in stock to own stock, you invest in stock to increase your future spending.

>>29663664
How do I profit off this?

>>29663664
I mean, it's so not like the FED is just magically gonna print money, you know...

>>29668743
>but what if the entire world collapses
then I use my silver to buy your house

>>29668790
Get physical assets like ammo or invest in companies that make ammo.

>>29668790
buy cheap gold this week and hold
>>29668818
thats the whole point

>we will conqueror whatever third world shithole you're from in a week

>>29668730
wanted to say this

>>29663805
kek

>>29668790
Buy real estate if you can, if you don't have the funds then go for crypto and gold.

>>29668405
People panic sell stocks, bonds, and crypto. They do not panic sell their house.

>>29668846
I stack silver also anon I'm trying to get the streetshitters to realize any crypto can vaporize overnight.

Im very stupid. What does this mean? What is normal percentage?

>>29669111
Just wait for babby's first forced liquidation

>>29663664
zoom out, retard

>>29669208
your iq, post it

>>29668091
>let central banks struggle to even get inflation up to target
Did you not watch the fed talk earlier this week? Chairman literally said that we will see inflation over 2% and that is acceptable, yet that they have no intention to raise rates for the foreseeable future.

>>29669132
>any crypto can vaporize overnight
somewhat true but if the entire world collapses then really who gives a shit? There are very very few people actually prepared for that.

>>29669111
Have you seen all the idiots claiming to have taken equity out of their homes to buy crypto? The degree of leverage holding up crypto would make a Lehman securities trader blush

What are the dxy and crude doing rn?

>>29663664
Whats greg saying recently?

>>29669208
yeah the amount of debt in 2021 is surely exactly the same as in 1928

>>29669321
Crude is crabbing because of the volatility and the GME shorts. The Fed can't stop people from trading, it just wont work. The kike has backed himself into a corner. Not sure about DXY

>>29666423
>SA & Zimbabwe
Is this the power of the nigger to run societies?

>>29663805
you absolute buffoon, when your parents whom afford your neet life are out of work then you'll literally be crying.

>>29669336
hes saying how much he loves his lions, sucking his thumb and being generally insane

>>29669111
>They do not panic sell their house.
If the interest rises the real estate investors get liquidated and a lot of real estate is going to be dumped on the market.

>>29669208
Now chart national and corporate debt on that as well. You are so retarded that you don't understand how close we are to an insolvency crisis. It's coming no matter what, but rates will trigger it quicker

>>29668790
Hard assets that will retain relative value. If people spent x amount of their income on it 5 years ago they will likely do the same 5, 10, 15 years from now.

>>29664777
>record stops
checked

If the worst case scenario happens would having cash on hand help

>>29669276
>claiming
i also lie on the internet frequently

>>29669509
Kek got em

>>29667363
In an inflationary crash, crypto may or may not survive, but do not consider it a hedge against inflation. You want to be as close to "real" things as possible. Stocks crashed like 90% in real terms (went up 6 gorillion % in nominal terms) in Venezuela during hyperinflation. If crypto does anything similar than it will look like your portfolio is mooning but the actual purchasing power will decline dramatically.

>>29669321
dollar going down oil pretty much flat a little down

>>29669530
>adjustable rates

Oh shit I didn’t realize it was 2005

>>29669111
rentors can and do
also:
>economy tanks
>people get laid off
>cant afford mortgage
>default on mortgage
>housing market flooded with foreclosures and paniced landlords/airbnb rentees
this happened in our lifetimes. just look at 2008

>>29664777
Sure, not like there is a massive influx of immigrants in the west fueling the housing shortage.

>>29665659
I have already invested all of my money into canned beans. When the apocalypse comes and nobody else has food, I will rule over the blebs as the great bean lord.

>>29669456
just look at your own black run states/cities, it's not gonna take a genius to figure out what happens next once you guys lose the ability to vote your way out of this shit, God Bless you though.

>>29669276
>Have you seen all the idiots claiming to have taken equity out of their homes to buy crypto?
This cannot be real.

>>29666141
Crypto admittedly is shit for the end of civilization scenario. It's useful for less bad scenarios though. About the same can be said for land deeds or gold or whatever shiny rock you prefer.
If you really expect the world to end, invest in seeds and 7.62.

>>29669779
Based and beanpilled. I love these threads with people trying to put logic to Jewish tricks. Just buy beans.

>>29669782
I live in a black majority region and I know all to well how they run things into the ground. I am daily reminded. I have 3 years until I can flee. May not be enough time...we'll see. I'm stuck until then, but I am armed and at least in a white pocket.

>>29664777
There are tons of immigrants needing housing and the fed will just print money to buy up the mortgages for the state (like they did in 2008).

Have fun in the pod.

>>29669754
If rates rise, then demand for housing will fall and it will produce the same effect.

>>29669764
>this happened in our lifetimes. just look at 2008
I will have to read up on it. But what makes you think that something that happened over a decade ago will repeat itself?

>>29669707
A share is ownership of a real profit-producing company, dumbass

>>29670041
That's what the market crash in March was for otherwise the housing market would collapse. Shit gets deep bro and you will see how corona was a convenient scape goat. This all stems from the fuckery of the 2008 crash.

>>29666591
>>29666394
>>29666169
JEROME

PICK UP THE PHONE YOU FUCK

JEROMEEEEEEEEE

>>29666788
They don't, only China and the Fed buy treausuries

>>29670104
What's your point? In a hyperinflation scenario the entire economy is fucked, business do not operate normally and real profits are heavily strained. It's objective reality that stocks do not perform well during hyperinflation.

>>29663664

We’re rooting against the U.S. currency and economy at this point with our heavy investment in an inflatation-hedge asset called cryptocurrency.

>>29670362
good

>>29669788
>not taking a HELOC at 3% interest to get into crypto and make 400% gains
>>29670041
>But what makes you think that something that happened over a decade ago will repeat itself?
when equities go down, all equities go down. housing in inextricably ties to the stock market through mortgage backed securities. 99% chance you arent going to see one equity act independent of the rest. certainly not in a panicked crash anyway

>>29668091
>central banks struggle to even get inflation up to target
Lmao, imagine actually believing the (((official))) CPI

>>29669530
I've seen overpriced houses and condos for sale for over two years and the realtors still wouldn't lower the price. Things have to get real messy before they're forced to significantly drop prices.

Further more, don't forget as soon as the prices drop beneath a certain point there will be a massive buying spree of middle class people who will see this as a once in a lifetime opportunity.

>>29666788
I don't think many people buy bonds but certain institutions love them as they are a good way to limit risk. Bonds are as low risk as an asset can be.
Banks for example are obligated to hold a certain portion of their funds in low risk assets such as bonds.

>>29670041
30 year old boomer here. The post 2008 rule changes didn't address the root causes at all.
>government mandating loans to the unqualified
>the ability for mortgages to be bundled and traded in general (some specific forms of this were banned)
>foreigners paying above market cash prices as a value store their governments can't touch (or being allowed to buy non-industrial property at all, really)
>immigration keeping demand high
Until these are fixed the housing market will continue to have these ten year spasms. The immigration one in particular is perhaps most important - Japan is crazy expensive in general, but (sub)urban real estate there is CHEAP compared to the US because immigration is near zero.

>>29670614
Were you a toddler in 2008?

Its also at its lowest point in 50 fucking years lmao

>>29666788
because they are 100% guaranteed return. if government doesnt honor its debt we revert back to the stone age overnight
not many retail investors buy government bonds at these rates. governments aaround the world hold trillions worth though

>>29670332
Maybe not during, but certain business types will do better than others and will survive. Commodity producers will be better. If you have capital, you NEED a place to store it. Yes, silver and gold and other hard tradeable assets are good. But if you have enough capital, you need to find other diversified ways of storing it, especially because these scenarios play out in varying degrees and you don't know how deep or long it will go. So the goal is not just about what to do to protect yourself during, but what happens after and are you positioned well for coming out of it into a new financial paradigm. TSLA may not be the thing to hold, but agricultural companies will be open for business during and after.

>>29670686
This is more common in Europe, which is why we saw a spike in foreign purchase of federal bonds when half the EU went ZIRP/NIRP.

>>29670943
But the money returned will not have the same purchasing power. That's what they are doing right now with these real negative yields that will get worse. It's intentionally debasing the real value of the debt because there is literally no way to ever pay these levels of debt off without debasement. That goes for both sovereign and corporate debts.

>>29670000

>>29670846
No, I'm 30 years old so I experienced it quite vividly. I actually had a banker then shill me some inflation tied product that was mostly filled with financial stocks. A couple of months later Lehman Brothers went bankrupt, the whole market went down including my (luckily) small investment.

Anyway, in my country (Belgium), real estate prices didn't really drop during 2008-2009. In fact, they basically never went down at all since the early 1980s.

>>29670845
They protected the bankers and investors that fucked everyone over yes. Thanks for that long drawn out wall of text and stating your age.

>>29670850
What's 1% of 7 trillion

>>29664777
The millions of illegals and other brown people flooding into the country for gibs will ensure that never happens. Boomers keep buying up more normal 3br 2ba houses built in the 40s for 50-70k in my area and refreshing / subdividing them into 3 unit rental properties and renting the, out for 5-700$ per month which is more per unit than the entire mortgage payment would be. Plenty of single mothers with mutt babies and zoomers to fill them as they wage slave forever as a renter.

>>29670845
So curiously, thats exactly whats going on with student loans, government is handing them out to people that have NO fucking business taking out a loan.
Interestingly enough, its a fixed interest rate as well.
Im not in anyway suggesting there are alturistic motive behind this, BUT, the silver lining to if shit goes belly up, and hyper inflation is real. The vast majority of people who got tricked into taking out massive student loans, would be able to pay off that debt with hyperinflation like it was nothing. Since the loans are fixed, they lenders cant jack up the interest rate. Unlike loans with adjustable interest rates, those are the first thing that suffer in hyper inflation and are jacked up trhough the roof.

If hyper inflation happened, well, good buy student loan crisis.

>>29668962
All victory comes at a sacrifice. I understand if you’re unfamiliar with victory, though.

Why do people lose their homes if the housing market crashes i dont get it

Can anyone help me figure out what this means? I wanna learn t.19 yo zoomer

>>29670850
Debt in 1970 was 370b, interest rate of that was ~7.3 thats 27b in 1970, adjusted for 2021, thats 713b

Debt in 2021 is 27.95T, the 10 year yield is 1.473%, thats 412b

412b>>>>>> 27b retard

>>29669509
Seething wagie get back in cagie

>>29672466
Oh shit my own math just proved my point im retardedlol

>>29664030
bingo. PM schizos think this means the fed is easing up on their buys to let the bubble deflate when in reality it most likely means the larger market sees inflation as a greater risk than volatility

>>29665827
god damn please
although your lack of get is troubling
would be dope tho, as a non-destitute Euro, shit would be dope

>>29672349
bonds getting attractive enough for algos to sell stocks and go back into bonds as a store of value

>>29672563
No your math proves the point that if interest rates rise the government is fucked. The ONLY way it's been able to sustain this massive amount of debt is through artificially low interest rates. If people start believing inflation exists again, the genie comes out of the bottle and now the government is paying 10-20% interest on its debt, meaning it has to issue more treasuries to pay off the interest, and the whole thing accelerates until only the fed owns any government debt.

>>29669882
>end of civilization scenario
If you honestly beleive that is happening you need to take your pills. Worse case scenario we get a repeat of the 70s with high inflation. But even in that case the saving grace may be that we are still the reserve currency and Canada, EU, and China are also experiencing similar currency issues. Remember that a nation's currency does not exist in a vacuum. Rather it exists and is measured against every other nation's currency.

>>29664777

Boomers have been downsizing for years now. People don't own large amounts of real estate like they used to. Too many taxes. There's no incentive to sell even with values high since the cost to buy is also high and property is a necessity. Couple this with immigration and you're basically priced out forever

>>29664777
You missed you chance in 2008-2009, not gonna happen anymore in the next 20 or 30 years. But hey, maybe you'll be able to finally get that one bedroom apartment when you retire!

>>29668046
Stock up and njoy the show. If you're fat or require medication to live its already too late for you.

>muh hyperdingdongofication

>>29669776
it was like that before the migrant crisis

>>29672900
And this is another reason that the horrendous inflation since the abolition of bretton woods is invisible. Since 1971 people are measuring currencies against other free-floating currencies. Silver and gold are shorted to oblivion behind closed doors illiegally through trillions in derivatives to keep the illusion that they are worth less. I personally hold crypto to hedge, although i'm not sure that is even the correct option.

i only buy stocks like

apple, pepsico, johnson, colgate... so I don't care i just keep DCAing

>>29672617
PMs will still be a safe haven though, right?

>>29673274
wtf is NKY chart and why it looks like bitcoin

>>29669776
>implying migrants can afford a flat in Paris or London

>>29664777
>Everyone itt acting like niggers and spics are buying up all the nice brand new suburban homes which is driving up the price
What the fuck are you guys smoking? Nogs and spics don't live in high class houses, they live in ghetto apartments or in run down ghetto dens that have been in their families since the 60s. I know it's easy to blame niggers, but this time it's entirely because of old white boomers.

>>29666423

>>29670310
So isn't this just the FED "pumping" the bonds? Wouldn't that be a nothing burger?

>>29673465
will silver and gold ever reveal their true value within our lifetimes? From what I gather it's entirely plausible, probable even, that the value will continue to be suppressed as it has been for quite a while.

>>29673785
>let me post a pic of skid row to sum up the whole american continent

so.yboy.jpg

>>29673399
What are you talking about? America has had massive amounts of immigration for 55 years. I don't know what "migrant crisis" you are specifically referring to but its not a recent phenomenon.

>>29663664
A steepening yield curve isn't inherently bad for the stock market, so long as the Fed keeps short-term interest rates pegged.
If anything, it's a reason to stay out of cash to avoid accelerating inflation.

>>29673785
btw, these niggers don't LIVE in the buildings of this street

gentrification is happening and more and more they are pushed out of the town of Paris

even the close suburbs are unaffordable for your average shitskin now but yes they do wander in the streets of paris during the day or work there

i hate paris btw don't think im defending it this shithole

>>29665827
> -x4 less than that
Is there something wrong with saying <1/4?

>>29673690
japan stock index. deflation / no hyperinflation scenario uses japan and other countries that have used QE as an example of what happens when QE is implemented.
the difference is the US has already implemented QE at the top of the bubble while Japan started going at it after their bubble popped. whatever happens it'll be interesting; i think inflationary bust is a popular opinion by the majority online whereas deflation bust is contrarian and the minority

>>29663664
>22 replies

Stfu doom and gloom faggot.

>>29664703
Just like Vietnam right?

>>29666128
Sounds like a Canadian

With the price of houses on the rise why isn't the supply increasing? Why are home builders not building to fill the need and presumably make a shit ton of money in the process?

>>29665307
Get a load of this retard

>>29669509
One thing I hate is people who choose to use whom but then use it wrongly
Whom = him, her, them
>Them afford your neet life
OK cleetus

>>29674434
You cant just build homes in the city. Limited space.

>>29673920
the fed is already buying $80 Billion in treasury bonds / month. the yield and price are inversely related. Yield going up means bond prices are going down which means more sell pressure than buy pressure.

>>29673950
>will silver and gold ever reveal their true value within our lifetimes?
I see a lot of scitzo posts about how it is manipulated, but if that is the case then why don't the governments buy it up on the cheap? I see no proof that it is manipulated.

>>29674583
>I see no proof
Sounds like you've had your eyes closed.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/investing/jpmorgan-chase-settlement/index.html

>>29674549
Prices are up everywhere, but in the cities they can tear down a single family and build a duplex/fourplex/or condo building.

>>29664777
Waiting with a pile of crypto profits to by counties worth of acreage.

>>29674743
Yeah here and there but not on a large scale. This isnt China.

>>29674434
They are. They're being bought up before they even finish construction. Have you not seen the fucking lumber prices?

>>29663664
1.46%........... kek, It was 3.2% just over a year ago, it'll be fine bobo

>>29663741
fpbp
>>29663762
spwp

>>29664777
This. They’re desperate attempt to prop it up using low FHA interest loans is going to be catastrophic when no one can pay their mortgages when commie money and forgiveness ends. I’ll be buying multiple places when this happens.

>>29669588
Explain to a retard like me how national + corporate debt makes the bond yield rising a worse prospect than back before when bond yields were even higher but we had lower natl/corp debt?

>>29674956
I think its the curve that is worrying them.

>>29673743
because those apartments are filled with them, everyone else has to rent from old white boomers

same idea here in shitty Vancouver, it's like a trickle-down effect or whatever you call it, just the opposite way. Chinese buying up high-class houses for money laundering or something, it eventually makes middle-class homes expensive and so on
letting foreigners buy property is so fucking retarded

>>29669779
make farting punishable by death in your fiefdom

>>29667367

>>29663664
God i cant wait for global fiat to crash. The kikes global control is coming to an end

>>29663741
Retard, like most of the crypto autists

>>29669707
>Stocks crashed like 90% in real terms (went up 6 gorillion % in nominal terms) in Venezuela
what are ''real terms'' for comparison

>>29664777
It will be the last one to crash in CANZUK but come earlier in countries with economies.

>>29674956
I hate posters like you the most. You tell a surface truth without any actual useful information. When rates were at 3% the stock market tanked and was on the verge of crashing, so the fed implemented more QE and forcefully made rates go back down. This tells us that a 3% rate is NOT FINE. And the economy is in much worse shape now than it was when rates were previously at 3%, with bigger asset bubbles across the board, meaning rates even lower than 3% are still dangerous.

>>29675176
Real = nominal - inflation

>>29667843
This has been happening the past year. These were considered “cheap”.

>>29673743
No. They target one white suburban neighborhood and pack as many pajeets as they can into one house at a time which eventually leads to all the houses in the area falling in value. The boomers see their equity falling and get out of Dodge and sell their house cheap to the only people who will buy them at that point. Blacks do the same thing, but they aren't as organized.

See Brampton. Or basically just all of Toronto at this point

>>29674743
Not in my backyard they can't.

They'll just keep printing money until they're all dead. Then it's their kid's problem.

>>29673681
probably. major bitcoin bulls like me will say that their underperformance this year, despite the money printing, could be explained by bitcoin's rise - the money that would normally go to PMs as an inflation hedge has flowed into BTC instead. but the majority of the world's wealth is still held by people who aren't believers, so if this does start to go into crisis PMs will probably moon as usual, maybe after an initial liquidity-crush crash like we saw last March

>>29673920
No, they're not pumping bonds hard enough, that's why the rates are rising. They're going to have to ramp up QE exponentially to continue to suppress yields. The higher inflation expectations go, the higher bond yields go because the dollar becomes more risky. The government can't pay the interest on bonds, so the fed keeps printing and buying ad infinitum until the dollar is zimbabwe tier.

>>29674172
How much further do they have to be pushed before it's worth for them anymore to commute to the center? I don't hate all brown people, just the poor, uneducated and uncivilised ones that live in the suburbs. Maybe we should take their children from them, reeducate them and put them in a decent family.

>>29669208
thats proves his point you retard

>>29674292

>>29675283
>Brampton
this is hardly cheap either
$500K for a shitty townhouse

keep in mind CAD is creeping back to 1:1 with USD because of oil so yes that $500K is expensive as fuck

>>29675029
kek

there s literaly one stock to buy from a company that cures cancer : NASDAQ:INO.

100x this year.

>>29669132
ANY DAY NOW SILVER IS GOING TO $100.
ANY DAY NOW

numbers on screens tell many lies

the only truth is war

send me, ready to the front lines

to end this hellish chore

>>29663664
Can any of you burgers explain to me why hyperinflation could ever happen?
Or any kind of collapse?
There seems to be such a regulatory stranglehold on the system that the worst we'd ever see is the 70s again. Plus you're the global reserve currency.
I'm from leafland mind you and our economy is a mystery, no idea how it hasn't melted down yet. I feel if any country is going to go first, it'll be us.

So should I just put all my extra cash into paying the principal on my mortgage?

>>29675009
Imagine credit card debt. You don't use it as much the higher the interest rate. Furthermore, imagine paying off one card with another. Now imagine that the bank keeps lowering the interest rate so you drive yourself further and further into debt. One day they start raising interest rates again and you are so underwater that the fish emit light.

>>29663664
A moderate amount given how low that number still is.

when fomo short

>>29676497
These look like memelines.
What about all the other ones? Like 2008?

>>29674956
>>29675250

>>29676259
I too like Death Grips

>>29670845
suburban real estate in japan is cheap because no one buys used homes period, as well as the fact that they're facing massive generational flight toward the cities and away from anything remotely inaka
they buy the underlying lot and demolish it to build a new house on the property because they think it's gauche to live in a house someone else built for themselves
literally none of them are willing to live in some other man's used hole, and those are just the ones legitimately interested in buying property

>>29675594
>more subsidies
ngmi, send them back.

>>29663805
>compensating for ignorance with a meme

>>29676733
>literally none of them are willing to live in some other man's used hole
this is pretty based

Every retard says this every year and the stock market and housing market never crashses. I wouldn't be suprised if most crashses are done on purpose.

>>29663664
We still have a while to play in the crypto casino.
After that, all in precious metals.

>>29665950
reminder that Dogecoin's intrinsic value is exactly the same as Bitcoin's.

>>29676733
I want to add, a lot of suburban housing is also borderline disposable in Japan. It's built that way because earthquakes. Their houses are pretty much made of drywall and plywood. This makes it comically cheap to build.

>>29664777
housing is never going to crash unironically

>>29677080
Why do people underscore extrinsic value, ie. the number of nodes in a network?
Look up Metcalfe's law.

>>29677176
not only that, but it's all laser-cut prefab wood with dovetail joints
literal ikea housing, but fuck it's cheap
>t. did my dancing monkey year and couldn't fucking believe how cheap my rent was until i knocked on the walls

>>29672617
>PM schizos think this means the fed is easing up on their buys to let the bubble deflate
In a precious metals schizo and I think that this is the market demanding higher rates. The fed and their captive banks, funds, and insurance companies will be the only buyers.

>>29675392
I like this maymay

>>29675096
>he thinks they won't just control whatever comes next too
I hate these fucking jews too but please try to think at least a couple steps ahead. I'm tired of being associated with retards just for being anti-semitic

>>29663664
>a 10 year 1.46% yield when inflation is like 15% year is going to tank the stock market that has unprofitable companies getting 200% yearly returns
I won't hold my breath but keep me posted

>>29677703
>a 10 year 1.46% yield when inflation is like 15% year is going to tank the stock market
Yes.

>>29677468
thanks fren, worked hard on it

>>29677703
This is only the beginning of rates are allowed to keep rising like this.

>>29664777
burry plz

>>29677878
I'm not expecting it to but would be funny since the fed owns so many bonds. Would lend credibility to the thesis that fed is controlling lockdowns in an effort to buy up cheap bonds and then flip the switch on rates.

>>29664777
Just sold, who else is comfy here.

>>29676313
No your mortgage is in dollars, dollars will be worthless, get some precious metals or something and pay the mortgage off with like an ounce of silver in a couple years.

UHH GUYS

>>29665307
>It’s value is tied to Fiat.
Are you the same dumb nigger from the previous thread?
Crypto trades with different pairs, not just usd, retard
Your dumb ape brain still doesn't get it after that long ass argument we had. What a dumbass. I'm done again. Fucking retard farmer

>>29663664
Actively want a crash of everything. Fuck modern society, it deserves it.

>>29664777
It's been crashing for a decade in Satoshis

Stop measuring value in false fiat currencies that collapse non stop.

>>29676313
Don’t pay off debt now. It will be inflated away.

>>29665307
...you do realize you can send crypto to someone's address without any involvement of any currency, right? This is how trading used to work.

And no, crypto will not make you rich in a post-apocalypse/post-crash scenario. On the off-chance that someone does want to trade for it after a financial collapse, it will obviously not have the $50k value it has now, the value of it will be totally reset - you might be able to buy a chicken for 40 btc, which is nice, I guess?

Dont give a single fuck. 95% of my assets are paid off vehicles, physical PMs, guns, ammo, water purification and crypto. You've had since 2009 to accumulate. The writing's been on the wall that this was coming.

>>29674893
in Seattle they're building complexes as fast as they can snatch up lots and tear down the old stuff. the state of Washington ran out of cranes last year.

>>29669321
Dxy is going down as food inflation increases the usa will pay more gibs with inflation,same death loop happened to Argentinean peso

>>29677260
>Look up Metcalfe's law.
metcalfe's law is a multiplier, it doesn't add value.

>>29670521
True and crypto probably would go down except the idea of crypto stemmed out of the 2008 crash and is also a response to it. It would recover quicker than everything else

>U. S. 10Y 1.536

Stockbros...

my penny stock going flat because it already dumped hard on tuesday lol

>>29663664
I do and I want it to be worse.

>>29663664
Time to embrace the truth and go all in to APU coin.

>>29680050
Please explain I'm a brainlet

Nice just bought more Amazon stock. Now suck my Bull cock

>>29680252
the bad number went up
good numbers gonna go down

>>29679854
>95% of my assets are paid off
smoothbrain play
assuming a major devaluation of the dollar you should be leveraging as much as you can so you can pay it off with devalued dollars.

Can someone explain to me how hyperinflation or economic collapse could actually happen while China holds so much of our debt and the US still controls the petrodollar?
If the USD collapses and hyperinflates, doesn't that mean that China gets hyper-fucked because the debt they own becomes worthless?
Why would the USD reach a point of criticality when essentially we can just sink other countries as the Fed prints, because they still have to convert to dollars to buy oil?
What would have to precipitate this collapse that the government couldn't print to alleviate? Mass panic sell-off? Insolvency of a bank? Everyone panicking and refusing to spend?

>>29672617
/pmg/ is always right, PMs hodlers will be the only ones not getting absolutely destroyed by the financial armageddon.

>>29679443
>you do realize you can send crypto to someone's address without any involvement of any currency, right?
I love how cryptoids say this but in reality most crypto exchanges are done on centralized exchanges using not actual currency but "stablecoins" which are supposedly backed but who knows?

>>29680252
less liquidity in the cash market

>>29664777
we basically have open boarders with Mexico now, the housing market now has an insane amount of demand and will never crash

>>29663741
Based retard

>>29680492
>If the USD collapses and hyperinflates, doesn't that mean that China gets hyper-fucked because the debt they own becomes worthless?
That's the goal anon, why do you think we are printing like madmen? To inflate our debt away and pay with clown money.

>>29680655
If you let /pol/ rot your brain it will lead you to making bad financial decisions.

>>29680492
China has actual industrial output. This is the game they've been playing for decades now. They've been bleeding real productivity out of the US. Yes, their US treasuries will be devalued if shit hits the fan, but that will be more than offset by their comparative advantage in everything else. China has been hoarding gold like a fucking dragon in preparation for this day. The US grasp on the petrodollar is slipping rapidly anyway, we will have to have a major military intervention at some point to maintain that grasp.

>>29680353
>implying your salary will be stable

>>29663664
What does this mean?
iam a stocks beginner

Hop in, the ride just began

>>29663805
Lold

>>29680771
My brothers wife’s family are spics. It’s not quite open border but they are making a run for Biden gibs

>>29666758
Same. Does this mean reits are possibly good investments?

>>29677366
Too true anon, the walls feel like they'll break if you lean on them too hard.
Ever lived in a Jap house with others?
You can't even fart without everyone hearing it.

>>29674956
You dumb nigger, when it cracked 3% in the fall of 2019 it almost caused a stock market crash until the FED restarted QE and smacked down the bond yield enough to get money back into stocks.

Fucking midwit.

>>29663823
I suppose it depends on what he means by 'care'. He might enjoy reading about it but have no opinion on the outcome of events, so in that sense he doesn't care. However if you define care as taking any interest at all, then I suppose he does care. Semantics, see?

is anyone here brave enough to try to short the USD? I might try to short it with options when hyperinflation really is here

>>29675810
Now look at prices in Markham or Etobicoke (fewer dark skins). Btw Brampton was all white until 10 years ago, and one of the better suburbs.

> I don't even know what were arguing about at this point

>>29679854
>paid off vehicles
>car loans

>>29680739
>To inflate our debt away and pay with clown money.
Isn't that basically how the USSR died to us? if China has more manufacturing capability, what's to keep the rest of the world from going "fuck you, we're done"
>>29680775
Yeah, I didn't think about that angle. I have a theory that the purpose of the COVID scare was to kneecap US industry in the middle of the trade war while China makes a "quick recovery" as a safe haven to scoop up corporations looking to flee from a zero profit environment

>>29669779
imagine the smell

>>29679854
>paying off your veehickles this early
absolute brainlet
you should have got a loan for an $80k Tundra and paid it off with one ounce coin of silver

>>29681626
>not putting a down payment on beans and a wife so you can manufacture and harvest bottled braps
I will be the king of the collapse when you all come running to me begging to use my human gasifier

>>29681829
Holy based

>>29665307
based

Why does an increase in the Government Bond yield decrease the value of the bond?
You would think they would go up because there's a higher return?
Please explain this to a brainlet.

>>29670301
Do a write up. I'm listening

>>29682043
Maybe because that's denominated in GBP? Pound has been gaining a lot in strength so if the bonds pay out in dollars they get you less GBP.

>>29682043
>buy bond
>increase in demand
>yield go down
>entice sell bond till equilibrium

>sell bond
>increase in supply
>yield go up
>entice buy bond till equilibrium

>>29682043
no the bonds payout a fixed coupon rate on the face value. When the price of said bond falls, the coupon remains the same so therefore the yield is higher for what you paid

>>29680353
anon if you think your wage will adjust to inflation like politicians do for their own jobs I don’t know what to tell you

>>29677391
couldn't this also be explained by other entities selling bonds due to the risk of inflation outweighing the safety of the yield?

>>29677817
I like it too

>>29680492
China has a lot of BTC mines. They'll probably dump their USD into a crypto they're mining. It's a quick transaction

>>29682422
Easy way to explain it. Wonder why they dont just write it like that instead of the convoluted way they do?

>>29682927
because it's wrong
yield is profit-cost simple as

I am a britbong, have to pay 20% sales tax on silver here, but the upside is that silver britannias are capital gains tax exempt.
Worth grabbing 25 ounces on the off chance I can buy a house with it in 5 years? Or just stick with crypto?

>>29663664
how hard will the usa stock market chrash affect me as a eufag? any knowledgable anons?

>>29682394
>>29682422
>>29682453
>When investors worry that a bond’s yield won’t keep up with the rising costs of inflation, the price of the bond drops because there is less investor demand for it.
Oh fuck.

>>29682927
it's wrong you sperg

see my explanation>>29682453

>>29683168
What's the advantage of buying physical silver, gold etc rather than just some commodity fund?
For example, isn't it easier just to buy SGLN, XAD6 etc

>>29681343
>short the USD
it's called buying Bitcoin

>>29683242
That may not be the case right now. If there is risk of inflation, interest rates will rise and so will coupons on treasury notes

>>29682927
it's not convoluted and it's the basics of basics of economics you're just kind of stupid but that's okay.

>>29683530
Physical is held in my own hands, no jews involved

should I buy long puts (september) on tech stocks?

>>29683530
If you don't hold it, you don't own it. You'll get fucked like the Hunt brothers if you take that approach, the government will steal all silver from all central locations. If the economy starts to collapse, I am convinced China Joe will get up at his faggot podium and declare "In the interest of safeguarding our economy from the speculators..." and announce new silver confiscations. The USG has done this before, they'll do it again.

>>29682541
That's saying the exact same thing, fren.

>>29666394
>>29666591
Of course I understand why this is a big deal. But just for a joke, let's pretend that I'm actually mentally retarded and you had to explain to me for real why this is a big deal. Just for a laugh.

>>29683903
Hunt brothers were leveraged
You can't get margin called if you don't hold a position bigger than the cash you have

>>29666788
because the price has been steadily rising for 4 decades
you could make fortunes buying bonds on leverage