/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>29353091
what does this mean, explain to the uninitiated layperson.

>>29353091
>doesn't that render quantitative easing useless?
no, we just need more QE
bigger numbers, more zeros, etc
do you even have an economics background? leave the rocket science to the rocket scientists and the economy to the economists

>>29353091

crypto bull market might be prematurely coming to an end with recession. sad

>>29353149
Treasury yields are basically stonks sold by the government. The U.S. government guarantees you X return after Y years. In this case, you can buy the bonds (or think of them as "government stonks"), hold them for 10 years, and the government will pay you back your money + 1.38% for it. They're a safe bet, because the only way they fail is if the U.S. government collapses (and frankly you have bigger problems at that point). Because they're a safe bet, they traditionally have lower projected yields than riskier bets. For example, if a bank savings account is going to be competitive, it has to offer interest so you don't just put your money in bonds.

I don't know why OP thinks this would lead to negative interest rates, we've had a ten year yield at this rate in 2012 IIRC. Anyways, negative interest rates would be a bizarre scenario where you would put your money in the bonds, and the government would give you less money in return ten years later. It would only happen if the government was seriously trying to discourage saving and encourage investing, or if the economy was so fucking volatile that the only truly safe way to store your money was to pay the government to keep it. Some people discussed negative interest rates as potential monetary policy in response to the downturn at the beginning of COVID, but jpowell decided to just print money instead.

>>29353193
>we just need more QE
but how? bonds and manipulating interest rates are how the fed keeps us from going into a recession.. the only move I see here is negative interest rates.
also, why the fuck are precious metals crabbing so hard? does wall st really think interest rates are about to go up again?
>>29353404
sad. ive been selling since 50k. but now I have all this cash and nowhere to put it because everything is a bubble. literally the only asset that doesnt seem to be in a bubble is gold/silver..

>>29353091
Explained here >>29347781

>>29353622
this is why im holding onto my BTC. sell my BTC into..what? USD? Stocks? Bonds? RE?

its ALL SHIT. ALL FUCKING TRASH.

2020 was the first year i felt like USD wasn't the "safe haven" to cash out into. I don't know wtf to sell off to other than kneepads or maybe PM.

>>29353622
>why the fuck are precious metals crabbing so hard
precious metals are safe haven assets friend, not inflation hedges
as long as people think everything is going great they won't give a shit about gold
when things get tough they will wish they had bought gold at $2k

>>29353597
thanks

>>29353736
WHITE WHALE HOLY GRAAIL
WHAT REMORSELESS EMPEROR COMMANDS MEEEE

>>29353622
Don't you know yellen just left the new fed chairman with 1.6trillion cash ready to spend?

>>29353091
Fed's going to institute yield curve control whether by name or de facto.
Rates can't rise if the Fed just buys literally however much it takes to keep them low.

>>29353091
Jpow will fix this, more printing ahead

>>29353736
This. Btc is going to 1 million

>>29353597
thanks for the explanation, much appreciated. so what does op's image mean then in this instance? what's the meaning of rates rising?

>>29353091
Nothingburgesa. Waste of a thread and delete it please, cuck.

>>29353622
>why the fuck are precious metals crabbing so hard?
Because it’s the single most manipulated market in the world. Coomex, JP Whoregan, the the fed, all conspire to keep gold and silver artificially low, by “selling” the same ounce of silver, over and over, a hundred times, on paper. They do this because a rapidly rising gold/silver price will likely create a feedback loop of people panicking that the dollar is failing, and dumping all their cash into metals.

Ask yourself how it is that a bunch of nerds can clean out the entire world’s retail silver supply, to the point where even a 1000 oz bar now has a delivery delay of a month or more, and yet the price doesn’t go up. It’s a fucking joke, and we need to end it.

>>29353920
>Rates can't rise if the Fed just buys literally however much it takes to keep them low.
so lets say YCC is next (and I agree it is) whats the REAL plan here? we can jew around with our finances and cook the books all day, but if we continue importing and no exporting and allowing our GDP to tank, what do we do?
All of this modern monetary policy seems to be nothing more than life support, or prolonging the inevitable
>>29354356
Agreed and I'm with you. Got 40oz in the mail right now

>>29354148
Delusions

>>29353597
>Treasury yields are basically stonks sold by the government
Yes but no, it works exactly the other way around. Rising yields means that nobody is interested/selling off.
The only way to counter it is
A: Go full Japan and buy it yourself
B: Raise interest rates (the only logical think which may cause the week companies to go bankrupt, which will happen anyways sooner or later)

>>29353091
I'm going to have a heart attack.

>>29353864
the yuan? wtf

what do you think would happen when you elected a bad goy who pulled military out of the desert and manufacturing out of china

>>29353091
More QE is coming which is bullish for Bitcoin and gold. Rates aren't supposed to be going up so fast which could lead to really high inflation as the Fed tries to bring them back down.

Well never see the hyperinflation that the low interest rates are supposed to create because all that new money just goes straight to the top. And you know what those at the top are doing? They're saying "fuck all this fiat put it into stocks and bitcoin."
I'm full bull here guis

>>29354500
>Raise interest rates
No longer an option. Sovereign debt is now at a point where even a small increase in interest rates will mean the gov can no longer service the interest on their debt.

Interest rates will remain very close to zero until they launch their new monetary system. I dunno how that will work, I’ve been trying to figure out how you swing the whole developed world into a new currency without creating so much chaos in the process that central bankers get Gaddafid by angry mobs.

>>29354806
Hyperinflation will come when the world rejects dollar holdings and gets a new reserve currency. It won't be crypto, it'll be something other central banks have.

>>29354963
All the more reason to get the f out of USD
And the rich people at the top know it too

>>29354907
I'm not saying you're wrong but I highly doubt that they won't try it first.
And if it doesn't work out my guess would be that they will go for a massive war and silently introduce a new currency.

The Japan route is not an option in my opinion as they will literally lose absolutely everything over time... basically just vegetate out there being irrelevant.

>>29355018
>All the more reason to get the f out of USD
And into what?
Having more than ~50% of your portfolio into crypto (at this point) is madness
I got wrecked in 2018, I've been selling since 50k but now I'm sitting here with all this cash wondering where do I even put it? Everything is inflated

>>29355229
precious metals, esp. silver

>>29355229
Everything is inflated relative to what? USD? I'm more than 50% in crypto and that's only because I've held so long. Put in 100x my crypto into ETFs which is an incredibly safe bet imo.

>>29355018
I agree, I have been for some time, but more recently.

>>29355229
Euro

>>29355229
Thats the point. The fact that pressure is going up is exactly because there's no holes or escape hatches. Personally I'm spreading it around between stocks, goods, PM, crypto, cash in that order. I'd buy up all the guns I could if I had a license though, but even that isn't safe with the proposed taxes and buybacks on the horizon.

>Its easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than for him to enter the kingdom of heaven

Can't lose what you don't have frens. Remember wealth and value are all funny money in the end anyways.

I'm watching twitch and some 20 yr old asian is talking about his stocks.
It's over bros.

>>29355704
New paradigm!

>>29355283
I'm trying but it seems I'm not alone. Apmex, SDbullion and JMBullion are all sold out on 10oz bars.
>>29355381
>relative to what? USD?
yes. I got wrecked in 2018 so I'm much more cautious this time around. I had 80% of my networth in BTC last month, now I'm around 50% and getting more concerned by the day.
>Personally I'm spreading it around between stocks, goods, PM, crypto, cash in that order.
This is what I'm trying to do. What are your ratios like? What percentage of PM/cash?
>The fact that pressure is going up is exactly because there's no holes or escape hatches
Seems gold (more than silver) is the best escape hatch available given its piss poor performance. I just hate investing in PM's when I cant explain why their performance is so terrible
>>29355704
literally weimar republic. speculative economy with no output

>>29353864
but wouldn't the yuan replacing the USD as the reserve currency mean that the chinese would have to stop undervaluing the yuan to fuel exports? That doesn't bode well for the chinese, as without exports they're pretty fucked. there's only so many ghost cities they build. they still don't have much of a domestic market in comparison to the US or EU.

(The euro is probably more likely to take the mantle from the USD if anything)

>>29355609
COPE

>>29356223
ROPE

>>29353597
>Treasury yields are basically stonks sold by the government. The U.S. government
How do I short these?

>>29355505
You know to add on the list of fucked up things, my friend’s wife never finished her degree and has owed $30k in student loans for years. She got a letter offering to settle it all for $2k, have you ever heard of such a thing? Credit cards maybe but not something like SL which are not dischargeable through bankruptcy. To me it’s a major bellwether for something larger looming.

>>29356535
I've had 50k in student debt forever, backed by the government and just constantly defer it. I pay 138$ in interest every 5 years.

>>29353091
Probably nothing, for most people shit's basically bad enough now to where anything worse won't be too devastating

>>29356535
>has owed $30k in student loans for years. She got a letter offering to settle it all for $2k, have you ever heard of such a thing?
holy shit wtf?? best ive had is the option to settle at 50%

>>29353404
yield curve inverted first like a year ago right?

>>29354211
Think of bond yield as the dividend yield of a stock. If it rises from 1% to 4% in a day, you actually just lost money if you already bought. In a stocks case, going from $100 -> $25 results in said quadrupled dividend yield because the price to buy just tanked

>>29353149
Number is going to go down and then you'll eat the bugs willingly.

>>29356535
That is an insane discount. Do you know who her loans are from? SL debt is like you said, the only thing bankruptcy can't get rid off, and the loan issuers know it. If they're that desperate to get a settlement now for even a fraction of the debt, it means they aren't scared they wont ever get paid (they always will), they're scared that if they wait for the loan to be paid back much longer, it won't be worth shit since its in USD.

Keep appraised of this situation with your friend, see if they give an even better offer in the next few weeks. That will be a massive OHFUCK OHSHIT signal.

>>29353404
At least we were just able to reload our Roths.

>>29353091
Can someone explain why is higher 10 year yield going to cause the government to increase interest rates? To combat inflation or there is something else?

>>29357882
No clue the issuer but my friend is going to just pay it because the terms said he only has a few days to decide and may not be offered again. I just know it’s been a chain around their ankles for years and was as shocked as he was when he told me the letter he got.

>>29358303
Combat inflation is basically it. When you know the economy has a positive outlook, there's no reason to flood it with cheap cash.

>>29358433
The economy doesn't have a positive outlook though, it's in complete shambles. If they raise interest rates the whole thing is coming down.

i thought the fed like just fucking said they werent raising interest rates until 2023. is that what this means?

>>29358715
That's on short term lending rates. The 10 year treasury only gets suppressed as a consequences of setting the fed funds rate to 0 and implementing quantitative easing, but now even that isn't enough to stop it from rising. The next step is unlimited QE, known as Yield Curve Control, where they buy whatever quantity of treasuries is needed to drive the yield down to whatever value they deem it should go to. Needless to say this would be a very bad sign of where things are heading.

>>29358501
This, I have a hard time wrapping my head around this. The economy has been completely fake for a long time now. Money printing has made the economy appear to look great due to all the new money just going straight into stocks and real estate.

>>29358847
so whats this mean for crypto

>>29354498
>>29354148
It's not delusional
It's just that when bitcoin hits 1 million it won't matter because 1 million USD won't even be enough to buy a BigGulp.

Look at this picture.
It's over.

>>29353597
>1.38% Return
Kek. So you're just giving the government your money for nothing in return except to get raped by inflation. You actually lose less money just sticking it in a bank. Fuck the only way to lose more money than some shit like that is to burry it in the ground or gamble it away.

>>29353091
Long 2s, short 10s. Curve will continue to steepen.

>>29359010
>You actually lose less money just sticking it in a bank.
Banks give 0% interest, what are you talking about? But yes, you are basically choosing to lose money on inflation vs. losing extra on inflation, it's not even an effective form of savings at this point.

>>29359010

Hence why the FED is the main purchaser of treasuries now...

>>29359010
>You actually lose less money just sticking it in a bank

no, bonds yielding 1.38% is still better than a bank account yielding 0%

bonds still suck tho

>>29354468
its because they dont want a crash during a pandemic anon. it would look horrible for the goverment, not even they could blame it all on trump and people would get fucking pissed. we already have nigs looting and burning the cities every few months and fat boys playing civil war with antfia, do you think its government policy that the united states would survive another recession at this point?

so in the meantime lets see how long they can make this last because im not even sure theyll be able to control it.

>>29354148
actually 500k it can't go to 1m until 2024

>>29354500
>A: Go full Japan and buy it yourself

what time period did japan do this anon? during the militarization of their economy in the early 1900s or 2008? not familiar with japanese econ

>>29353864
BTC Unironically solves the triffin's dilemma and it's the failed bancor system that was never created.

>>29359391
google
>economy japanification

>>29359391
>>29359470
It's the direction the US is headed i.e higher costs of goods/services + lower wages

>>29353736
Also based.

>>29353622
>why the fuck are precious metals crabbing so hard?
Silver and gold are two of the most manipulated commodities in the world.

>>29353622
>why the fuck are precious metals crabbing so hard

manipulated through the derivatives

>>29353736
Diversify your fiat into JPY, GBP, EUR, CHF. Only keep USD for your daily expenses.

>>29353404
Stocks and crypto have some correlation, generally I would like to think crypto stabilizes faster.

>>29359645
so basically because of growth and debt/wasting, the refusual to increse taxes because of our party system we're going to 0 growth for the next couple decades. except i don't think our government will treat us as well as japan does theirs.
how is this anything but boomer mismanagement since the 2000s?

>>29353597
(YOU)

>>29356032
Would not last either, China would have to go even higher into debt to provide world liquidity in a state that has information asymmetries up the ass. He is stating it as a point though, US is running out of time. Being the reserve currency is not the hill you want to stand on for too long.

>>29353597
I’m the anon from pic related. Negative yielding bonds are traditionally viewed as a safe haven asset i.e. when you expect a stock market crash, or you could sell as the price rises before maturity.
Negative yielding TIPs are linked to inflation and are for when you expect inflation to rise at a far higher rate than what you would lose at maturity.
The treasury yields all went negative in 2019, which indicates a recession and has predated every one is history. That’s why covid was a mere ‘coincidence’.
Now the treasury yield curve is rising on long dated bonds. This isn’t a good thing as it means inflation is coming, and demand goes down.
The Fed want to keep inflation at 2% and are willing to let it overshoot to 2.5-3%. The problem is if the treasury yields keep rising then inflation starts running hot.
We have been in disinflation cycle for the last 40 years, this would be the first time since the 70’s that an inflation cycle has started.
If inflation runs hot, that leaves the central banks with a difficult decision. They either raise interest rates to save from hyperinflation - which will cause lots of indebted masses to eventually default. Or they go negative and QE until the currency is toilet paper (Gold/Silver and BTC to the moon). That’s why the stock market has been the only place to put your money since after the GFC of 2008, although now that has pretty much topped out as its disconnected with any value i.e dot com crash v2.
Basically the economy is fucked. The governments know it, hence all on board the Great Reset and the 2030 agenda.

>>29353597
Can we short bonds?

>>29353091
Is this bad or good?

>>29361221
>Can we short bonds?

yes ticker: tbx

>>29361267
Depends, good in the way that this rotten monetary system might be dying and they can’t save it, bad in the way that it might crash the stock market ruin the economy everyone loses their jobs and anarchy ensues

is this actually a good idea?

>>29360962
so once again it comes down to either of these two: either the governments throw the currency and its holders under the bus, or the assets in the bubble and its holders.
And once again we at this moment cannot be sure of either one.

>>29353091
Americans make such a big deal of negative interest rates. My country has had that shit forever now and people just accept it

>>29362097
Japan?

>>29362071
Yes. After the event you will see that every single politician and their friends were lucky to hold the one rising in value.

>>29360962
What makes you think BTC will hold its value when shit hits the fan

>>29362071
And since everyone's retirement is in the stock market, I'm thinking they choose the former as long as they can. The dollar's going to zero, and the stocks are gunna keep rising forever

>>29360962
why is it so fucking hard to manage money? USA shouldve just taken over the world properly or the former british empire for that matter and just controlled the money supply. I think this is what they're gonna do anyway hence NWO

>>29362372
It’s digital gold. Investors flee to USD if they’re scared, but if the USD is going to shit the bed, they’ll go to gold (and now, Bitcoin)

>>29355439
Do not get Euro, it's even worse off than USD. Smaller currencies from stable countries (CHF, SEK, NOK) is the only fiat left worth a damn.

The rest, buy PMs whatever you can get a hold of. Silver will moon, Gold will be stable in buying power. Just consider the fact that an ounce of gold can start a life wherever you go, buying you a set of clothes and utensils to start a basic trade. Most likely even more than that. That's also a fact throughout all of history since thousands of years.
For two or three ounces you should be able to get a basic farm and a few chicken.

Keeping some crypto that may be used as interbank settlement currency may work (Algorand, Fantom, Cardano). Buy your supplies for the rest of the year now, there's already news from food companies increasing consumer prices due to increasing raw material prices.

>>29355439
Do not get Euro, it's worse off than the USD

>>29355899
>just hate investing in PM's when I cant explain why their performance is so terrible
It just hasn't dawned on most that the end of the bubble is imminent.

>>29353091
ITS OVER.

>>29361643
Trump had fixed 20% of the problems by giving people hope thus monetary velocity went up despite lower monetary base.

The problem is that the keynsians in charge think everything can be done by force and somehow that way they will defeat the laws of thermodynamics.

>>29362576
fuck me, I hate this limbo state in whoch the unknown prevails, guess one has to just hedge for both scenarios and focus on other things, that may be important further on, because if one keeps focussed on this shit, losing one's mind is way too easy and that won't help when it does hit the fan.

>>29360962
>Basically the economy is fucked. The governments know it, hence all on board the Great Reset and the 2030 agenda.
okay so what do?

>>29362921
No, it's not, because the on-/off-ramps for trading it with "legal tender" can be arbitrarily governed. Gold in many places is already legal tender.

>>29362576
Not if the pensions were never affordable anyway. You didn’t really think the zoomers could keep Gen-X going up to the retirement on wagie hours renting shitboxes?
If the governments raise interest rates and the masses default, they can issue debt forgiveness in return for all assets. You will own nothing.
The first nail went in the coffin when the gold standard was removed. The boomers knew it was eventually going to hell in a handcart, so they created a system where they could benefit from all angles i.e cheap housing, wage inflation, goods deflation and retiring early.
It was never supposed to be for Gen-Z or millennials never mind the fucked over zoomers.

>>29363950
Keep physical silver, sell everything, buy a small plot of land with a house somewhere unfashionable and learn to live semi-self sustainably. The government will make that avenue impossible in time to come. The masses will be living in ‘smart cities’ in their pods l, totally dependent and monitored by the government.

>>29364091
Go deeper in detail anon

>>29363849
Based advice anon

>>29353404
That graph indicates that we are moving out of a recession

>>29364585
No, it indicates people are not buying us bonds because they have less faith and it makes sense why would you buy a bond that gives returns below inflation.

On europe is even worse german bonds have more demand than european union bonds which means people have little faith in the european union long term.

This is what happens when you let communists infiltrate academia.

>>29364400
Bro I'm glad I got land in the rockies. Learned foraging basics as a ranger. Hopefully I can put this civil engineering degree to good use and build a fortress

What's the correlation with the yield curve and Covid showing up?
I've seen some of the libertarian/macro/Austrian economics guys saying that Covid showed up conveniently to mask the global economy shit show.
Most people believe Covid showed up just in time to fuck with the election to get Trump out.

>>29364687
And hollywood along with the media. Plus the courts and the low ranking city council seats. Basically we're about go full bolshevik in a decade or so

>>29360197
Well it does trade 24/7

>>29358917
Once the power goes out, your buttcorns won't help you. You'll need silver and lead.

>>29364787
Its probably both. They probably thought trumps nationalism could evolve into its final form and paternalism would take route in the US. That type of nationalism is hard to kill. Think rhodesia getting blockaded by all of UN members but still turning a profit level skilled. But the bigger kicker is the economics of course. Just like coolidge said america's cultural goal is profit its method of achieving it is through, skill, resources, willpower and talent. If the bankers, chinese, and merchants could kill that, then they killed america. This is the result of that plan. Our health providers in cities are tik tok memes. Meanwhile rural hospitals close shop. Our stock market literally favors the rich hence the gme and amc fiasco 3 wks ago. Our schools are filled with failing student due to pc monitors being our new teachers not practical oratory study. So our, talent and will are being broken. All thats left is resources. Hodl resources for dearife lads. Our will is all thats left that we can hold. How long until poverty amd gov tactics break it.

>>29363489
Why?
>>29364091
Damn, anon, this is actually a better hunch than mine. Probably true

>>29365254
Wow, this /pol/tard posted a joker image, I'm going to listen to him.

>>29365254
>>29364787
The country and its people were sold out long ago, there was no point try to fix something that can't be fixed.
I think even if Trump was given 4 more years he wouldn't be able to take America towards the path of self-sufficiency and isolationism. Just empty nationalism.. but it would have been better to go down fighting than to go along with whatever's happening now

>>29365512
The truth is we don't stand a chance,
It's something that you're born into
And we just don't belong
No, we don't
We just a no-class, beat-down fool
And we will always be that way
We might as well enjoy our lives
And watch the stars play
Beverly Hills
That's where I want to be!
Gimme gimme gimme gimme
Living in Beverly Hills

>>29365397
Not an argument.

>>29353149
They increase yield rates when they need to remove currency from circulation. There is too much cash in the system which will lead to price inflation on goods and energy. It means get ready for food and fuel prices to increase dramatically over the next year.

>>29365119
ahahaha PMtards never fail to amuse.

this is the 21st century. deal with it old man. no zoomer will ever accept gold.

>>29365767
I will

>>29355229
Just put it in stablecoins for yield or in euro

>>29365397
You're still a cuck to tyrone so nothing will help

>>29365512
The same was said of france when robbespierre's sex cukts caused the rape of hundreds of thousands of women and girls. But napoleon came.The same was said of russia when the gulak system killed 10s of millions. But the ussr crumbled. You just got to roll with the punches lad

>>29365676
Excepting serfdom is a natural choice fklor those with no fight left. I'm glad you atleast made it of yiur own volition atleast

>>29363546
Yep. Sometimes it takes a while to understand

>>29366198
Damn bro, you are really fuckin dumb. Good luck, hopefully you are so dumb, you actually do something genius

>>29359010
You trade it on the secondary market zoomy

>>29353864
Unironically xrp

>>29353622
pm's crab because the prices are manipulated down to an extent that is disgusting. DYOR

>>29366397
I'm not dumb you pussy. I'm just knowledgeable enough not be caught with my pants down.Violence,degeneracy, social structure collapse. All are imminent. Does that mean you sit and take it. No you do what ever is necessary to prepare and or escape it. I'm not advocating for any of it. It will happen due to sheer inertia. Why not make note of this try to take advantage of said situation. You lad need common sense. If not tyrone shekelberg is your new master

>>29366746
Whats the point besides just screwing people over.

>>29366837
so people don't lose confidence in USD

>>29367098
Thats it. So the dollar still has psuedo metal based standard. Thats ridiculous. What a bunch retards

>>29366766
good luck man. SN=SN

>>29367335
You said nothing you absolute mongoloid. Go be a peasant to tyrone shekelberg by all means don't let me stop you

>>29355381
etfs are not safe.

They are diversified, but youre fucked if everything goes down.

Kind of like CDOs were considered safe in 2008, until everybody defaulted on their mortgages at the same time. ETFs use the same principle but wont help you if the economy goes to shit.

>>29363809
>Trump fixed 20% of the problems

You Trumpfags are really beyond hope. Trump was emblematic of boomer degeneracy, practically the avatar. Biden is just another version. Neither of them are capable of fixing anything even if they wanted to, which they don't. The monetary system is way beyond the actions of a president. There's no easy way out, and there never has been.

>>29367725
This. I like Trump because he was funny and entertaining but that’s about where it ends for me. And it’s nothing against him personally. Like you said “fixing” the problem we have is simply not possible within a single term. Even if Trump actually wanted to do things to fundamentally restructure the global financial system as we know it he would fail. There are way, way too many people who will simply not allow that to happen. The only way we see change is when the entire system collapses under its own weight and the fed has no more tricks to pull out its ass.

>>29360084
i am fearful that fiat is going to fall like domino

>>29356535
Should I take out a student loan and invest it in crypto?

>>29363809
Exactly. There must be some entropy
It is unstoppable

>>29367887
Yes and that will be one hell of a reset amd reform. Very painful, very violent veey bloody.

>>29367989
Nope. Not unless you understand the basics befire making moves.

>>29368188
Indeed. It’ll be the one time when preppers will be right.

>>29367887
Aside from this, if Trump is a buffoon and QAnon is a retarded conspiracy theory, why won't the Democrats and MSM shut the fuck up about both?
Alex jones has more conspiracy tards following him and never have they gone off the rails about him and his followers.

>>29353736
Hate to say it, but Bitcoin isn't immune to any of this anymore. It's being bought with exactly the same debt as every other asset now.

>>29366766
>your picture
COVID ?

>>29368390
I tend to lean towards the belief that the MSM still continues to chimp out about Trump to this day simply because it keeps them relevant in eyes of normies. If Trump wasn’t covered who would they talk about? These networks live and thrive under fear mongering and making big deals out of nothing. Biden is untouchable, so what the fuck can they actually talk about? Orange man bad still works so I don’t see them stopping that anytime soon. They’ve got enough of a buffer that it can all fall under the narrative of “cleaning up the last 4 years of Trump.”

>>29368521
Romight indeed anon

>>29364091
I never thought of this, have you read the WEF 2030 agenda where it says all goods will have become services? Shit is adding up

>>29368388
Yeah but the scale will be legendary. Literally the entire west hasn't seen violence like this since ww2. I'd invest in weapons companies for long term gains just for the truth to come out last minute.

>>29368655
Bro thats breadline tier shit right there. Make as much money as possible while you can lads. Then bhy supplies and resources. Find a remote area. Fortify.

>>29353404
>crypto bull market might be prematurely coming to an end with
Equities are a lagging indicator of that yield curve. Should afford us the rest of the year.

>>29368390

Because it is, unironically, a threat to democracy, the power structure parallel to the monetary system which the neoliberals currently control. Corporations don't like instability, anon. They support Trump when he passes their policies quietly, but they don't want him stirring up the masses against any part of the system. Trump's a retard so he didn't know how to use his power even if he wanted to do anything other than flatter his ego and further enrich hinself, which he didn't, but now there are real sharks circling that have tasted blood. The Republic is inextricably tied to the economic fortunes of its constituents. When the economy falls, the Republic will be close behind, and what emerges afterwards will almost certainly not be pretty. We're on the verge of totalitarianism - and contrary to what /pol/ shut-ins may think, that is not going to be a pleasant outcome for us.

>>29368488
Doesn't matter once you hold it. You can't conjure more out of thin air with paper, the way they do with gold and silver. A public ledger means we can see where every Bitcoin is at any time. The ponzi can collapse on top of Bitcoin, but Bitcoin will still be standing when the dust has cleared.

>>29368855
>We're on the verge of totalitarianism
What was WACO then if america is still only on the verge.

>>29368855
Delusional serf thinks "democracy" needs to be defended. Sad!

>>29369041
I mean, we're in a bad state now, but we haven't even begun to see the depravity of which this system is capable. With the NSA's domestic capabilities, this is a turn-key gulag empire waiting for an antichrist to put himself in the driver's seat. Chicago had black sites already. Now imagine getting thrown in Gitmo because the computer scanned your complete history of internet posts and determined you a threat to the country's stability.

The last few decades were just a training sim.

>>29368390
>never have they gone off the rails about him and his followers

brainlet they literally canceled him

>>29369153
Way to miss the point entirely, poltard. I know a third-grade reading level is standard over there, but on /biz/ it's recommended you graduate highschool before posting.

>>29369401
You're just a schizo. Society has evolved for the better over the last centuries and will continue to do so. Your little nightmare scenario is something you envision in order to justify the fact that you aren't taking action in real life and enjoying life as you should.

>>29368855
posts like this fucking annoy me you paranoid anons should go off in the fucking woods and go away, america isn't going anywhere goodbye and goodnight.

>>29353149
Literally, it just means bond prices are down. The implications of Treasury yields are meaningful and far reaching, though. Since the discount rate is higher, company intrinsic valuations are lower, the cost of borrowing is higher. The most important part though is the risk that inflation accelerates and forces the hand of the Fed to raise rates prematurely, which may pop bubbles and slow growth.

>>29369401
I bet you can't list 2 things that have gotten worse over the last 100 years.
And no, gay and trans rights is not one of them schizo, they don't affect your life.

>>29369526
>>29369554

Heads in the sand. Buy Bitcoin and prepare your anus.

>>29369526
based and taking responsibility pilled

>>29366837
wow I know those tits very well

>>29369794
As you should know

>>29369008
What will back it. Our monetary system is byzantine in structure

>>29369854
>tfw no french canadian bimbo gf to smother you with her massive fake tits

so what's the least worse place to keep my money in the following years? i have most of my savings in funds - 60% bonds/40% stocks. am i fucked? not a US citizen btw, these are national european funds

>>29369957
Bitcoin is backed by the security of it's immutable ledger. It is the hardest money ever created.

>>29369605
Housing market. Wages. Use to be all you needed to make it was a good back. A little common sense and some will power. Now its more difficult to own a home due to exorbitant prices and wages won't rise to meet said demand. You can't build one due to building restrictions near major cities and HOA hastling you.Lets not get started on racial reations. University tuition is sky high. Factory jobs are at an all time low conpared to roaring 1920's. This 20's is shaping up to be a snoring 20's instead anon. We're in weimar Germany now lad. Accept it

>>29365360
>Why?
There is less "seignorage capital" left, i.e. the difference between GDP and M0. Traditionally when M0 has surpassed GDP, inflation starts to hit, because any additional printed unit of a currency has no value left "to go into". Euro common market has reached about 80% of seignorage capital in issued money. USD is at 60-70% still. So if you look at the technicals, the Euro will fail first.
The remaining triggers for either currency are political and socioeconomic though, so either may fail first, but most likely one failing will take the other down with it due to shared debts, bank failures on both sides of the atlantic and so on.

The Euro crisis that was most apparent with bank closures in Greece was never resolved, just kicked down the road and burdened on the productive countries. Unemployment is on the rise all over the place and GDP is dropping in real terms.

>>29370009
If things go totally to shit be prepared to enslave a plastic surgeon to make your own

>>29370095
Yeah I guess thats true. Bit what if for some reason it falls out of favor. We don't live in glorious ancapistan. Government back their currencies up with "labor", and "products". Basically abstractions by force. Where the force in bitcoins. I see only abstraction

>>29370176
You can list a lot of things that based on one metric would be lower now, such as wages. You shouldn't forget though what that money today can buy you. A nigger on welfare has access to better entertainment than the kings of Europe. Stop romanticising the past and realize this is your defence mechanism, your inner flight from the fact that you don't fit in and underachieve in real life, right now.

>>29370203
Its all so tiresome

>>29367725
>There's no easy way out, and there never has been.
That's the essence of it. Politics never tried to long term solve the issues with over spending and living within their economic means. Saving for a bad day is rarely politically opportune, with some notable exceptions. Norway with their oil funds, Switzerland with the populace saying "no" to gibs in nation wide votings, stuff like that.

>>29370203
Feels like a grim portent for sure anon. But will it lead to collapse or more bullshit. At this point some of us are waiting for things to end. How many more greeces are needed. Italy will soon be as bad. So will spain. Eventually entropy wins right. Where is the chaos. The true disorder

>>29353193
>anon asking questions of other users on a forum
you:
>how dare you ask that! if you're not an expert you shouldn't be here!
Dick. Your type are truly unbearable.

>>29370473
Yeah that was disingenuous at best. We're in some real shit. Obscure unproven theories mean nothing when shit hits the fan

>>29370430
So we're doomed because we're flawed. Thats a true white pill if I saw one. It proves patience as a virtue. All this shit eventually collapses, leading to violence and death. Then a new beginning to a new end. Quite the spectacle. Though not very novel. We're animals at the end of the day. Sex invented us not rhe other way around

>>29370341
Lad I'm an structural engineer. I have no career failures. I am on the otherhand worried for the next gen. I'm not just gonna say we're better due to material reasons. Socially we're inferorior to the past. Niggers back then knew their place. Now look at them. We've regresses spiritually, culturally and individually. Why on earth is divorce rape so rampant. Stop worshipping progress.

>>29370804
Soecifically in technology and entertainment. Thats a shit take

>>29356535
She should just know if she settles it she'll have to pay income tax on the difference between the balance and the settlement.

>>29370804
He's just baiting.
Whenever you see someone larping as a fag like that guy they are baiting

>>29370804
Stop worrying and start doing then. Instead of these demoralization posts you could be publishing content or enlightening young people on the state of affairs, which of course you won't do since this solely serves as your escape mechanism.

>>29371209
Spotted the other homeless loser

>>29371212
And your a projecting asshole who lives to bootlick.

>>29371311
Struck a nerve there fella?

>>29371209
Based anon. Will do

>>29371254
The only homeless out of work neet loser here is you. Go bootlick the failing government for shekels you mewling schizoid

>>29371345
I'm simply calling you for your cowardly tactics. The most important event in a decade in this pandemic/crash and you decide to just linger around disrupting conversations on the topic. How pathetic can you get

>>29370203
so which fiat currency is currently the best to go all in on?

>>29360286
In Japan, however, the country is more or less homogeneous. If shit gets worse and worse in the US, it will get grim. How to profit of if though?

>>29371434
Your edgy seething won't get you anywhere. Accept reality and take action, this is the only way to change the world.

>>29368388
If you’re a prepper you only need to be right once

>>29368488
These dummies think a “currency” based on electricity will survive when there’s no power lol

>>29356518
you don't. they can only be redeemed at the end of the term.

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>>29364787
September 17 2019 .
The repo crisis that was greater then the GFC n nobody was told cept some flu in Chyna

>>29371693
All in? None. Always diversify.
But, check out the numbers over here for something that hasn't been printing vast amounts since 2008: https://tradingeconomics.com/switzerland/money-supply-m0

>>29369008
Abahah. This so why the economy is collapsing. How do you spend or even access bitcoin without power/energy? If you have a generator but no one else does, how do you transfer the funds? Crypto requires mining for the smallest of transactions. Who is doing the mining is there is not and power? Fucking idiot

>>29373011
it's not just power, it requires a global network of miners, the very first thing that will go down in an emergency will be the internet, people all think the internet can route traffic around damage, but it can't, just look at how many people lost internet when a single building in Atlanta was damaged

>>29373011
Yeaaaaaaassss pay your local farmers with literal gold coins or youll starve to deathh yaaasssss

Pms are a fucking meme, and yes I have inherited a kg of gold i dont give a fuck about it.
All my fiat is going into btc

>>29369605
Are you retarded? No, are you fucking retarded?

1) federal reserve act of 1913
2) Immigration act of 1965

You asked for two and those two pieces of legislature ruined America.

A unsound banking system consolidated wealth in a very unfair manner. It enables corporate control of government and citizens.
Immigrants lower wages and the standard of living. It ruins culture and causes strife.

You’re utterly worthless

>>29369605
Btw fags and trannies are a symptom of our shit system. They do affect our lives because their degenerate lifestyle is observable by all. Especially when it’s promoted by he media. The society of a strong powerful state is without degeneracy like fags and trannies and whores.

>>29370062
Fertile Land and a home and a gun. If you have those things it doesn’t matter the value of currency

>>29364033
?? How can they be arbitrarily governed?

>>29370176
>You can't build one due to building restrictions near major cities and HOA hastling you.

Na this is a smooth brain take. You can absolutely build a home many places without “HOAs” or municipalities bothers you too much. New home construction is actually booming right now. If our want to build you’re looking at several months wait to get started. Even the designers are a few months backed up. You’re dumb and don’t know what you’re talking about.

>>29353149
Yield curve rising suggests the market is anticipating inflation or a huge amount of economic growth. 10y yield up because 10y bonds are down in price - The fed doesnt touch 10y, so its determined entirely by the market. ie, pension funds and asset managers are flogging long dated bonds because they dont want them.

>>29366766
we have to protect everyone from the flu, but not when we've booked that timeslot out for nigger pandering and race war fuelling

>lust provoking image
Brainlet here. Can I get some hypotheticals on how crypto could make me a 1%er in the event of USD collapse? I've been seeing this sentiment. Is it not measured in fiat? How is it possible for the backing of a totally decentralized currency to change?
Don't tell me this is all cope, I don't want to eat the bugs in the pod lmao

>>29370341
>A nigger on welfare has access to better entertainment than the kings of Europe.

This is insincere and a false equivalency. Kings of Europe didn’t live in a time where iPhones existed so clearly they wouldn’t have access to it. A nigger on welfare is one of tHe most controlled and exploited creatures in America.

>>29372953
thanks

>>29353597
like ou said, one can draw an analogy to div stocks
and you know what happens when divvies go up
US is becoming failed state. Solid sureshot bonds will be beought even with engative itnerest as a safe haven. No one buys burger bonds, bc they really expect gov implosion
Hyperinflation is coming
Highest bond yields are seen in Turkey, Venezuela

>>29373271
>>29373354
While I agree these things have come with their mishaps, they have also enabled for the greatest economical expansion ever while increasing human rights. There are a lot of things to be addressed but nothing will change if you choose the edgy reptile-brain approach. We must be smarter and work more efficiently in order to achieve change. I think our morals and political aren't that different since we are both here. I just want my fellow anons to be smarter and realize the good in the bad in order to tackle the threats more efficiently.

>>29353597
Imagine holding an asset for 10 years for an miserable 1.38%

>TOP KEKEKEKEK

>>29364766
You went to ((college)) to be a civil engineer. This shows you have no forward thinking or know how to adapt. Civil engineers are a fucking joke to society now. Go build another concrete slab goyim.

>>29353091
If the 10yr keeps going up that means mortgage rates will go up. This isn't good for sellers.

>>29373692
Any repsponders?

>>29355434
You could have said those tweets about any point in the last century and people would agree

>>29369154
So what the fuck is even the point of printing reserves then

>>29369605
>it doesn't affect my life when the school system and the media are trying to get my son to cut his dick off
kys trannie

and literally everything has become worse. Mass-immigration alone has already increased crime, lowered the average IQ, raised taxes, worsened wealth distribution, increased rent and housing prices, lowered wages (in relation to inflation), destroyed the sense of community cohesion and trust people used to have, and turned elections into an identity politics shit show.

>>29354211
Debt is issued at the current interest rate set by a central bank.
A 0.5% bond will cost its face amount on issue and the coupons will always be for that amount.
Bonds are traded on the open market though, so you can purchase them under/over face amount and they'll still pay what theyre supposed to. Thus, as bond price changes the yield to maturity will also change.

So yield curve control (YCC) was something that was hotly discussed last summer. It was ultimately tabled by the Fed due to yields staying low on their own. However, at our current debt levels and debt trajectory, I could see the Fed actually deciding to implement YCC now if rates are starting to rise.

At the end of the day, our debt, both national and corporate, is WAY too high for yields to be allowed to rise. Things are even different compared to a couple years ago. Debt to GDB will be over 140% this year. That's insane. We can't service that debt if yields rise. The Fed will be forced to roll out even stricter measures to hammer yields down. Where am I wrong?

>>29373980
Are you jealous wage cuck? Go work inside building I designed you slave

>>29373692
Too bad goyim you're gonna eat bugs in a pod for having spaghetti arms and being a manlet, if you even survive. And your talking about being a 1%er. So naive that it's almost sad but thanks for the laugh.

>>29374146
now add avergae wage and there you have it

>>29373927
It is retarded. But when you have a lot of money your number 1 priority becomes protecting it. If you leave it in an ordinary bank account, the bank could go bankrupt and you will lose it. There are policies in place where governments will replace the first 100k or so of everyone's accounts if that happens, but when you have millions you need other options.

>>29373269
OK. So tell me how you will access or even spend it without electricity or an internet connection?

>>29374200
Anon can you explain to a dum dum like me why China can't just ask for their money back right now and collapse absolutely everything in US? Assuming that China decides that this is a profitable thing to do, don't say "they wouldn't do that", what happens if they do

>>29374270
Free energy exists. There are already protocols in place for this.

>>29353091
dems have unleashed inflation

>>29353091
Shits about to dump hard, selling all my stocks today

>>29374146
I'm willing to bet this hasn't negatively affected your life the slightest. Your life has probably become better objectively over the last decade (better tech, more opportunities etc.).

>>29365737
>get ready
it's already happened. https://www.bls.gov/regions/mid-atlantic/data/averageretailfoodandenergyprices_usandwest_table.htm

>>29374424
>much dems
2 sides of the same coin goyim.

>>29360286
Talk to boomers and you'll know they want a gold standard but blame the political climate for not doing it. I have yet to hear an everyday Boomer think otherwise.

>>29373608
Bro last year would be hilarious if it didn't have consquences. There is literal precedence for chimping out due to nigger rage at apes overdosing. BLM returning from the grave out of no where all with similar signs, hats and mantras. Fuck niggers and their corporate masters

>>29373692
What do you mean 1%?
Do you mean the top 1% of people based on the cash in their checking account? Based on assets they own? Do you want to be part of that arbitrary number? or are you just looking to have sufficient wealth and assets to protect yourself and your family from the grim future thats coming?

Holding crypto (And better, constantly DCAing into your position every paycheck) is our only way to achieve any real amount of financial sovereignty and independence. Buying BTC is going short dollar and long crypto, so if conditions lead to that being a good thing (US collapse/hyperinflation, btc mainstream adoption etc), the value of your assets will increase.

idk what to say anon youre not going to make it with a 3k poorfolio right now but if youre sat on a comfy right now or if you DCA in over the next few years then you should be alright.

>>29360962
Any countries you think might be a safe haven for the coming unrest?

>>29374506
They are so fucking out of touch they still think it IS backed by gold. Boomers are nigger tier.

>>29365737
Already seeing it with gas prices going up a half dollar in a month in my area

>>29374326
Think of bonds as contracts you buy that the government promises to pay you back + interest over a certain period of time, you can't go back to the government and demand your money back after buying one of these contracts. What you can do however is sell the contracts on the open market to whoever will buy them, this can hurt the US because if enough were dumped at once on the market it would make all the other bonds out there worth less and any new bonds would require more interest paid.

>>29374270
Don't feed the troll

>>29374326
They could, but we've already talked "in the media" about defaulting on select debt, like China. Also, it would be seen as an act of war, and China is far more subtle than that. They will only be directly confrontational once they have an overwhelming upper hand. Also, China still does need us buying their crap for the at least the next few years maybe more. Their new 5 year plan (15 in reality), was about changing their growth expectation and trying to foster more domestic demand for the goods they produce). China stands to lose more by killing the dollar at this point. In fact, they will be devaluing the Yuan against the dollar soon if they haven't started already. Again, this manipulation makes them more competitive and keeps their producers in the best place to sell into the US market. Killing the dollar means we stop buying from them.

>>29362576

bullish for crypto?

>>29374853
Interesting situation in monetary policy. What is stopping us from doing the same

>>29355609
Didn't even get the quote right retard

>>29373863
>they have also enabled for the greatest economical expansion ever while increasing human rights.

Proving my point. That’s not a good thing and another symptom of the two horrible acts I noted.

>>29373479
KYC and money laundering rules on exchanges. It's getting increasingly difficult to use them as actual transaction mediums. Plus the reliance on the internet.

>>29373980
Yes and no. They have to follow municipal guidelines but other than that they can create freely. Especially in their own time

>>29373989
Good. Buyers will now have a chance

>>29353736
Cocaine and hookers

>>29375090
Yeah human rights led to super faggotry. We also caused immense suffering to the thrid world through debt diplomacy for that economic growth. Essentially becoming neo-colonialists outting puppet dictators who destroyed the peoples livelihoods for their own gain and our corporate profit. We didn't give human rights we forced it through dictatorships

>>29353091
>What happens next?
Haaaaaa. Skin... I nurture my skin. I get supple

>>29375223
Yeah bureacrats suck. But knowing the all the math, physics and material science behind building complex structures with comfy emenities is worth it in my opinion.

Bond yields are signalling a great transition from paper financial assets to real tangible assets. If they try to implement yield curve control at this point they will destroy the currency, if they allow bond yields to keep surging they will destroy the financial system.

Check mate, got silver?

>>29370473
Sorry, was it the lack of reddit sarcasm /s?
Fucking dense retard

>>29375329
If only that were a tradeable commodity on the stock market. Hookers take a knee in a stupendous blow to futures seedling swimmer businesses.

>>29374389
You didn’t answer my question. Free energy is still energy. What do you do with your bitcoin when there is no energy or power source?

Rates will stay close to 0 for a very long time. IMO USA will never see negative interest rates but many other countries will. They literally can’t raise interest rates too much bcs it will cost the us gov a fortune to service its debt. What u gonna see is just a stimulus after stimulus then QE after QE . Basically just gov injecting money in the economy under different pretexts . P.S the silver and gold market is heavily manipulated therefore it’s gonna take them a very long time to catch up with the gov printings

>>29371098
Is this serious? How is this allowed? what the fuck? lmao...earned income on income you never earned That's super cucked shit.

>>29375590
Now you have him. Oil can't keep the lights on without needed infrastucture

>>29375090
KEK

>Human rights are not a good thing
>Economical development is not a good thing

How much of a moral degenerate are you?

>>29374424
And trump started printing last year. Doesn't really matter that much who is in charge. I just love how the US is tearing itself apart over political bickering and the inability to get to a compromise.

Neither one nor the other side. They're both right within their contexts of information, knowledge and norms. The only way to get anywhere is to exchange ideas and information and stop sitting on a high horse.

>>29374424
Good goy

>>29375850
Because one side wants it to collapse for a commie style takeover. The other is just larping as a conservative party.

>>29362097
America's money is much different than whatever country your country is from. Its reserve status makes it so that there's more USD transactions outside of the country than within jt.

Every single asset is in a bubble right now except some crypto Alts IMO btc and ETH already got their value adjusted to inflation. Market always take into into consideration current events along any consequences than might result from them in pricing assets. Real estate went up and will go up some more. Stonks are in the mother of all bubbles the only thing keeping them up is literally the gov printing, they are nowhere their current valuation. Lock down , slashed earning and doomed near term out yet they go up. You go figure. Bonds are almost worthless who would wanna lock his money just before a hyperinflation is about to kick in. Buckle up anons the financial system is about to collapse

>>29373271
This is it

>>29375590
Solar panels and hydro. Not my fault you haven't bought a plot of land to erect such functions. If you have a miner you can make transactions. Goddamn you muh dems people are the worst

>>29374270
Radio transactions. I know you don’t know about this because you’re low IQ. Batteries.
Also money would be the least of your worries. Why are you plebbitors so fucking dumb. HURR DURR THEYRE GONNA CRACK BITCOIN. Ok retard. Bitcoin is the least of your worries if nuclear launch code encryption gets cracked.

>>29374553
You’re a fucking idiot suggesting people dump their money in crypto for long term

>>29374742
Fuck off faggot. You sound like a 2012 soccer mom with that shit

Its impossible to have normal discussion without tinfoilhat prepper schizos shitting it up
Smh

>>29358380
eu or na ?

>>29376414
Your faggot who keeps feeding the troll. He keeps baiting you. Your such a cuck kys

Reminder that if things get bad "preppers" in their hideaways with stashed gold are going to be hunted down while normal towns and cities will just carry on mostly as before.

>>29358380
Tell him go for it. If not a scam

https://youtu.be/teARi9VmZSA

Check this out frens

>>29353091
Thoughts?

>>29353091
They’ll just buy more bonds and slap the dollar back down to save stocks and housing. FED buys in the open market, the plunge protection team is 24hrs but the real buy programs are in the cash market (normal hours). I think they are set to buy a hundred twenty billion today idk, it’s on their website. Free money; printer goes brrrr

>>29377746
And to answer OPs question, yes rates are going negative, no choice but to go negative in the long term. Well I suppose there is a choice; let the US government default on its debt and have the dollar rapidly becomes more worthless or print money and buy bonds till rates are negative so the government can keep functioning while the dollar “slowly” becomes more worthless. There is no scenario where the dollar doesn’t lost value as all fiat loses value. Only question if you want to hold fiat is which fiat will lose value the slowest.

>>29369154
>fractional banking with 0% reserves

What the fuck kind of clown economy are we living in

>>29353091
Kek, didn't know Michael Burry was one of us

>>29374267
250,000 fdic, 500,000 for stocks

>>29374493
Luxury soup meme bout to come real. Better stock up your campbells chunky.

>>29378296
If you go negative int rate on USD, that means deflation. The dollar would actually increase in value, prices would drop, and all the poor people would become even poorer as it would be their money that gets removed first.

>>29375271
+1

>>29364033
>Gold in many places is already legal tender.
not it's not.

>>29377743
Bitcoin is a gamble, metals are not.

>>29380506
Why not own both? I have silver roubles

>>29364400
Canada has already made it illegal to collect rain water. Unless you live deep in the bush the globalhomos will get you.

>>29378451
Well, he's right. The worst part is the financing of absolute bogus companies, keeping innovative young companies/ideas out of the market and promoting useless work to be kept up. Technically I'm part of that useless work now, playing the stocks game instead of using my education for something meaningful. But it's economically the right thing to do, I've made almost as much money on stocks in two months that I work for for a whole year in my day job.

>>29356535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD2gXY4piF4

>>29375590
You're so fucking stupid. Do you actually think we'll have a mad-max type apocalypse or anything like it? The collapse of the dollar will lead to a rise in homelessness and drop in wages, but that doesn't mean all basic services will go kaput.

>>29380661
I bought 20oz at ~$18 FedBux. Thinking about cashing out some crypto into more.

>>29374459
Yes, all our lives have gotten SO much better in the last decade. You can tell just by how happy and optimistic everyone is, particularly young people!

Do you live in a fucking cave or something?

>>29380165
Well, maybe not legal tender, but treated as money. Switzerland has no taxes on exchanging CHF for gold and for all intents and purposes you can use gold as a currency where the counterparty will accept it as such. The legislation never changed that part. With Basel-3 it's even returning as a 100% valued collateral for debt. I've read that some US states have similar legislation on gold.

Sorry for bad wording

>>29381803
Read the fucking thread before running your mouth, please. If you need to rant at obvious bait, /pol/ is waiting.

>>29353091
Is this code for the OMG the world is ending because of an inverted yield curve that isn't and never has?
Even zero hedge is mainstream now.....pathetic

>>29353091
JPow has already said he doesn't care if inflation rises. They will keep printing money and the interest rates low for a long time. This is noise.

>>29375663
That's not true at all. Never believe anything the loser 12 year olds tell you on here, you fucking idiot.

>>29356686
Teach me your ways.

>>29381757
Where the fuck did you find silver for $18?

>>29353920
This. Im not certain about TINA for stocks, but for QE there definitely is no other way.

>>29381917
Why don't you just respond to my accurate statement. Have you ever looked at the statistics we use to measure basic 'happiness'? They are literally all down from 50 years ago.

Sweet retort though, it's so fulfilling having honest, sincere discussions with the brilliant minds here.

>>29382100
2018

>>29382459
It's already been addressed in the tread. Read, nigger.

>>29382526
Well, I was clueless back then

>>29354500
It's a bit of both honestly. The government has the ability to influence yields, and does so to influence the economy. However, it is on the open market as well, so the yields do reflect somewhat the open market's opinion of the bonds.

>>29382526
Oh well if the 15 year old shutins of /biz/ have already addressed it then I guess we're done! Do you want to address my totally valid and accurate points? Of course you don't lol

You actually believe anything anyone says on here? And you're calling me the stupid one without the slightest hint of irony....wow