/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>29192349

I don't give the slightest shit about basketball but normalfags do and I think "digital sports cards" are gonna take off like traditional sports cards have but more so. Haven't been able to buy anything yet though because apparently they've been having sign-up problems from too many people wanting to join. Bullish.

>>29192694
why the FUCK would digital sports cards take off more than physical?

Yeah I've made a bit. Bought like four packs last month when there was no hype and easy to get for like 45 usd. The cards I've pulled were like 1700 a week later. I've managed to snowball that into 9k. I've only put 1k in all up just to finish the cool cat challenges.

>>29192829
They're more liquid.

>>29193004
Any tips?

>>29192349
Yes, the target demographic is joggers who would normally be paying those prices for Jordans. This saves me the trouble of potentially getting shot but I can still reach the demo.

I fucking hate basketball but I love 1000's of free dollars. This shit is too fucking easy. Especially if you got in early. Normie whales have just started pumping up the market.

I'm mad I ignored these...do they still sell packs?

>>29192349

Yup I put about $2K CAD in and now it's worth around $111K CAD growing exponentially every day. Will probably retire off this no lie.

I got in early when it was wayyy easier to get packs.

>>29193229
Yeah they are still selling. They just dont drop often. Youre practically gauranteed at least a 30x return on a pack. You'll only ever get 1 pack per release though.

>>29193396
What should I do for a topshot newfag? How do I know when to time the pack drops? Should I hodl dapper tokens?

>>29193422
How do I know when to time the pack drops?

>>29193422
is it a lottery? or how do you get selected to buy a pack. do they take crypto?

>>29193480

Why would you hodl dapper (FLOW) tokens that makes no sense. The best thing to do as a newfag is buy base moments right when new base packs are released.

For example when series 2 started I bought Zion, Giannis, Butler, etc bases for at max $10.

>>29193534
Sign up for their emails or follow them on twitter.
>>29193535
When a pack is dropping they give you a good heads up. Then join the waiting room before it launches and you're put in a random que.

Remember to sell before this crashes to the dirt and is worth next to nothing. It will be like the basketball card craze of the 90s combined with cryptokitties.

Where do you guys buy FLOW? It's making me do it thru the meetdapper website with credit card. I'd rather buy on Kraken and transfer but it doesn't look like that's an option

>>29193623
>Why would you hodl dapper (FLOW) tokens that makes no sense.
I was just asking because FLOW has done a 10x recently and I figure it could keep going up. Please tell me if this is dumb.

>>29193111
Invest in series 1 and 2 cards preferably rare. Lower circulating supply the better. Try and get decent players too no shit tier players. Rookies are a good punt too because they are getting upgraded (They've already pumped heaps so I'd be cautious). If you have the money challenges could be a good punt too. I think alot of newfags that join will easily be priced out of the cool cats master challenges which requires you to own all the cool cats cards. Luke Doncic cool cats is going for 4k usd atm and completing one set is over a grand.

>>29193890
thanks man. what about this >>29193805

>Where do you guys buy FLOW? It's making me do it thru the meetdapper website with credit card. I'd rather buy on Kraken and transfer but it doesn't look like that's an option

>>29193805
FLOW has infinite supply anon...

Just was looking at my team (Suns) cards today and was peeping Booker’s collectibles, $80k for his legendary card right now. Trying to analyze who the young rookie stars are going to be the most valuable over the next 1-2 years to try and buy low and take a risk

what the fuck I tried to buy some random card for 8 bucks and it is taking fucking forever to process I just want to see what the fuck it is and how it works

>>29194223
>FLOW has infinite supply anon...
What? Then why has it done 100x since being created?

>>29194303
I've been holding 1k all week and it's done nothing.

Meanwhile all my other coins 2-7xed. It will go up longterm but probably not worth holding during alt/BSC season right now

>>29194405
>all my other coins 2-7xed
what other coins?

>>29192349
I wanted to get into this for the money, but I just hate sports and don't know jack shit about it that I just couldn't even though seemed to be working.

>>29194478
you don't need to know anything just buy packs you are still early enough it doesn't matter about anything else

>>29194429
OMI has been fucking crazy, BNB doubled and I'm flipping bsc shitcoins every day

>>29194533
>I'm flipping bsc shitcoins
I have no idea how to do this. I guess I'm fucking up.

>>29194478
The best collectibles to invest in are ones you don't care about selling.

Tough to sell those pokemon cards/comics if you're a fan but easy if you dgaf.

>>29192349
It's cryptokitties for normalfags, just more centralized.

It'll pump for a few weeks then settle to zero because it's a retarded idea and nobody will ever pay real money for digital collectibles.

>>29194588
Google and lurk until you learn. It's the easiest money in crypto right now.

Find out how to get bnb (dunno if you're american) then learn to setup metamask properly for bsc from youtube. Practice a few flips on pancake and then start picking coins.

>>29192349
nigger copy pasta
iykyk with nigs you lose

>>29194812
thanks, i hope i'm not too late. how do you know which coins to pick?

>>29194887
Most of them will 2x if you get in early enough. Don't play with your whole stack. Just lurk /biz/ all the pajeets shill like 4 new coins a day

>>29194996
so i'm not too late? seems like this can only last so long

>>29195042
You're not too late, the entire reason BNB is mooning is normies coming into the BSC DeFi ecosystem to gamble on this shit with us
>Don't play with your whole stack
do this and you will be fine

this whole nft highlights thing is so stupid i hope society can collectively realize how stupid it is

>>29195149
>>29194783
You guys are going to get left behind. NFTs are as big a paradigm shift as DeFi.

Should I buy stuff from the "Marketplace" or only "Packs"?

started with 1k now at 10k after two weeks. still time to get in before it really pops

Can you buy with crypto

>>29195546
It says you can by sending crypto to your Dapper account but there is nowhere in the Dapper account that lets you actually do it, only use credit card. Bullshit

>>29195546
yeah, you can deposit with crypto to buy moments or packs.

>>29195635
How? I'm >>29195596

>>29195301
Nobody apart from speculators will pay for that shit. At least with CSGO skins other people are actually going to see them on deathcam. What's it going to look like, "hey Bob come over to my laptop and see my sick virtual trading cards"?

>>29195788
Doesn't matter, NBA will shill this to apes for the rest of the season

>>29195858
Not for 1700 bloody dollars. Maybe 17 cents at best.

>>29195788
Kek, I remember you from the last thread.

Enjoy being poor friend, more money for me

>>29195301
i still think its stupid but i guess the numbers don't lie at this point so I might put in a few hundred so i don't miss out completely - the packs drop on Monday?

>TO GET PACK RELEASE TIMES JOIN THE DISCORD
you won’t be Timely otherwise, demand is huge

>DO NOT BUY CARDS WITH USD.
Buy a good amount of dapper coin first and use that instead. There is no tax until you pull out into usd. I think there’s a $5 fee everytime you buy straight from a bank account. Ethereum is fine other than the retarded gas fees.

>Packs are easiest money

>buying and reselling cards is good too, but you need to be a bit more knowledgeable for that. But shouldn’t be too much for biz, right?

>>29196031
>Buy a good amount of dapper coin first and use that instead.
How do you do this? I can only find it listed on one exchange, Coinlist Pro, but even then I don't see any way to send it to the meetdapper wallet. Please help I'm retarded

>>29196031
Also, this is sponsored by the NBA itself but has not been publicly announced(still in beta). Get in earrlyish while you still can.

>>29196101
Go on nbatopshot.com
Upper right corner, hover over account icon and click dapper balance
Add money

Okay what is this NBA shit? Explain it to a brainlet. People buy and sell video clips for a digital "showcase"? But why? When they say you can "own a great moment". Like what exactly do they mean? I legally own that clip, like I would if I bought the royalties to use a song? And if it's not that, then why would people pay thousands of dollars for video clips that are only displayed on one website that also has no physical form? Researching this it says that lower serial numbers fetch higher value, but I'm just seeing random values for random serial numbers.

AND on top of all of that, these "collectibles" are using blockchain technology to what... prevent fraud? How is this whole thing not just a giant scam. I don't get how me being retarded and buying a video clip (that I really don't even own), gets me to sell that to another retard. I highly doubt retards buy this shit, but obviously I'm not understanding something.

>>29196204
Jesus christ anons...

It's literally bitcoin for digital items. By cryptographically signing them, they become as unique and valuable as physical goods

>>29196365
Okay, can you explain the serial number shit to me then? For example... it will say "lowest price $8" and let's say the serial number for that is 2323. There will be higher numbers that have higher prices. It all seems random. How do I know that if I buy a clip that it will sell for a higher price later and not for 8 bucks?

>>29196575
*There will be higher serial numbers with lower or random prices. And vice versa. Sorry, I am actually retarded.

>>29196575
QRD:
>In general lower numbers are better, but theres a threshold, generally under 1000, depends on # of total cards in circulation.
>Lowest price is the lowest currently listed card of whatever card youre viewing
>Cards with same serial as jersey number are incredibly rare/expensive
>Repeating numbers are also valued
>Also meme numbers like 420 or 69

>>29196951
>but theres a threshold, generally under 1000, depends on # of total cards in circulation
so you're saying don't buy anything over 1000?

>>29196989
No, in fact its too expensive to to buy under 1000 serialed cards for the most part, unless the card is currently shit or the seller listed a card for way less than he should have.

Its hard to say which low low value cards will moon, but Id bet on average all currently available series 1 & 2 cards will at least increase bit in the near future.

When common cards get added to a set they really take off. Example, guy named "Will barton" was at <5 but climbed to >150 after being added to a set.

>>29196951
So these packs they release, the "cards" you get are random? So it's possible to buy a pack for 9.00, like the website is showing me and then have moments in the pack that can be sold for way more? Especially since this is only in beta?

>>29197184
>>29197229
How long does it take for Dapper to receive BTC? I didn't account for the Binance transaction fees and accidentally sent less than i was supposed to. Now it's not confirming. Am I fucked?

>>29197374
Now it says this. Fuck
Underpayment

The merchant received your payment but the amount received was less than what was requested. Please contact the merchant at support@meetdapper.com with your order code to resolve your payment.

>>29197229
Yes, in one $9 pack I luckily got a low serial lebron(1.5-2k) and zion card(currently 350)

>>29197184
Also it wouldnt hurt buying a card like this for example, and holding. Anything can drive the price up, the guy doing good in a game, the card being added to a set, or simply more demand to to more people joining.
But of course, the biggest bucks are in the packs
or if you got in earlier by a few days you couldve bought the cards currently in the 300+ range when they were <50 just a couple of days ago.

>>29197476
I'm just gonna buy cards that are like $100 with a top10 popular player (lebron, curry, durant, williamson, etc) and I figure they will go up. I think a fan's biggest thing is his favorite player

>>29197427
well that was retarded.
And i personally didnt use crypto but then again i only put in ~100

>>29197476
Hmmm well I waste more than that on stupid shit so it wouldn't hurt to throw a small amount of money at this when the next pack is released and see what happens. To be clear... you were able to sell those Lebron and Zion cards? How does capital gains tax figure into all of this? Thanks for the info.

>>29197596
it seems like it went through anyway. let's see if they let me spend it

>>29197626
Yes though Im holding zion since Its only 7500 copies and theres no way it goes down long run.

No tax until you pull out, though theres a 6 week waiting period from account creation to when you can take out and at that point youd be subject to the typical cap gains brackets. Also youd need to verify identity to pull out.

>>29197749
so in other words if i didnt write it clearly
you arent taxed per card sale

Do you have to be black to use this?

>>29197881
Not currently, though there might be many
my lil lebron coin doin some
posts in a month

>>29197749
>>29197798
So let's say I sell my card, then what... I have a USD balance like I would on any crypto exchange? Then taxed when pulling the gains out of the exchange into my bank?

SO basically, it's just crypto with extra steps? Instead of me buying one BTC for $55k, it would be that I'm buying one LBN#0000 for the asking price, where as the "card" is almost like it's own coin?

ok i just bought one for $100 for a fairly popular player making a pretty nice shot. i'll hodl it a while and see what happens, then keep a little bit in my account for packs

>>29197939
pretty sure you can withdraw crypto

>>29197939
AND is there any other thing like this for other types of collectibles yet that we would be able to get in early also? Like the same concept but for movie clips or something? Seems like the natural course if this is going to be a new thing.

>>29198045
actually this is the latest, there are already many others but imo theyre shitty
like cryptokitties and cryptopunks

>>29197939
Yeah pretty much

you guys can use evaluate.market to track your account valuation and card prices if you guys didn't know

if you're a true speculator degenerate buy the prerelease doctor who hearthstone cards

FUCK THIS
>There was a problem during purchase. This Moment was most likely already purchased by another user. If you paid with a credit card, it should take 2-3 days to see the pending charges clear. If you paid with your Dapper balance, the charge should be reversed after a few hours.

>>29198045
the same company is working on a UFC and dr seuss NFTs

this is the company's coin if you think these retard digital pokemon cards have a future
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/flow/

>>29198373
I told you about using your card vs dapper bro
It actually returns to your dapper balance within 10 minutes or less usually
They havent perfected who gets a card if 2 or more people buy it in a small time frame yet

>>29198454
It actually never left my Dapper balance. it's still there.

the problem is i didn't get the card

>>29198492
oh yeah that shit sucks, happens a lot when trying to buy a lowest ask popular card.
Ethernet helps a little.

>tfw you wouldve been a millionare if you found this when it was brand new

>>29198678
This shit was dirt cheap when they started

is there any way to know when packs are gonna drop besides monitoring the discord 24/7?

alright i got a $100 moment and a $15 moment that i think are pretty good. now i'll just hodl and try to get in on packs quickly

>>29199472
also want to know this

it says you can't have multiple account but would they even know? i guess dapper becomes kyc when you try to withdraw?

Digital Scarcity: We’ll be dabbling in digitally scarce items in the near-future. That said, the belief that these digital items are just screen caps is beyond crazy. You are not the owner of the asset. This would be similar to saying that a particular baseball card or art piece is worthless because you can make an exact replica. The reality is you cannot make an exact replica because it would not be the original.

Take a second angle to this. Over time, as technology develops these digital art pieces will be visible in the virtual world (VR/AR). As that develops one could lock the image and only allow certain people/individuals to enter their digital museum to view the work. It is quite logical to believe that a digital museum would be of interest particularly as digital art moves from two dimensional viewing to full 3D rendering and interaction.

The NBA has already started with this development through their “NBA Moments” initiative. Instead of packs of cards, they sell digital images/clips of particular moments in NBA history. You would own that “moment” in time and as it becomes a more and more popular the value of the moment would increase. Imagine owning the last shot that Michael Jordan made over the Utah Jazz to win his last ring. Or imagine owning the moment of any well known snapshot in sports history. While it may not be interested in owning these moments, sports fanatics would be interested (creates digital collectables).

>>29199472
>>29199514
Just set alerts for the announcments channel of the server.
Or better yet find a group that has an alert bot, dont know how you would go about finding that.

>>29199844
they would know when you try to withdraw as its KYC then since you need to show id

>>29200336
>they would know when you try to withdraw as its KYC then since you need to show id
so when it gets to the point that i have a lot of money in the 2nd account i'll just have my bro do the KYC. i'm gonna set up a 2nd account just in case, couldn't hurt

>>29200453

I'm already seeing prices going down. Seems like it's been pumped pretty hard, only cards I'd consider would be series 1 2019 since they are 1st edition. Even then, prices are crazy.

Can you even display the moment somewhere? Like on Decentraland, could I post my moment in a building? If not, what's the point.

>>29201138
it's in beta. i don't think they have even started shilling it hard during NBA games yet

>>29201178
You act like everybody has 50k laying around and going to buy soon as they hear about it.

>>29201248
I don't think you need 50k to get in. There are plenty of boomers with cash to spend. You could be right though, I don't know. I'm only putting in $200 and see what happens

thanks for posting this anon - finally i'm a early adopter

da fuq

>>29201936
you can list any price you want, doesn't mean it will get filled. i just bought a card for 10 and then listed it immediately for 1000 knowing it wont happen

>>29192349
>Why do retards pay for the "rights" to some random NBA clip when anyone can watch it for free?


Holy fuck

>>29201976
>top sale $71k

>>29202006
yeah i guess there are some rich fucks that want to invest in this. i think the average fans will get priced out fast but then they will just make new cheap cards for them

bruh all packs are sold out?

I want to know if I buy one of these, can I show the clip anywhere? I.E. create a character on decentraland and put it in my virtual home. Is that legal? It's the only way I see this having any value at all. Otherwise, you're just buying pixels.

fuck I with they did this with porn
I'd buy this clips of this classic scene

>>29202982
even if you own it i'm still gonna fap to it

So... wouldn't this eventually lose value due to everyone market flooding?

>>29202982
I'd kill for a sasha grey card

>>29203891
they are non-fungible so i think no

final bump

my final bump
Its funny, I made so much money relative to time and input and yet I feel nothing
It seems I NEED quick moving candlesticks and lines on a graph to actually feel like I'm making money.

>>29205505
any advice? how do i time the pack drops so i get them before they are all gone?

>>29205735
Essentially, theylll say the time when it realeases,
https://www.nbatopshot.com/listings/pack/62c1fd69-a1b5-412a-98d2-b73b90f73753
You go to that link, and a couple minutes before the time its set to start start spamming refresh. As soon as youre able, enter the queue and wait for your turn to buy a pack.
Wouldnt hurt to be on an ethernet connection

>>29205802
where did you even get that link? i dont see that release listed on the "packs" page. also, just to be clear, this release doesn't have a release date yet, right? i don't see anything

does ethernet really matter? i feel like my wifi is pretty good

>>29205802
>>29205895
bump

>>29205895
literally the front page https://www.nbatopshot.com/

And yeah if your wifi is good then it wont matter. No set release date, but again turn on alerts for the announcment channel in their discord(tranny) server

My bet is on tomorrow afternoon since theyve gotten the marketplace mostly stable recently

>>29206535
thanks again. how much advance notice do they normally give when they announce the time? this will impact how often i keep checking. the discord server says it wont let me do push notifications because the server is too big

>>29206535
>>29206681
also, do you think it's smart to hodl FLOW?

>>29206739
It cant hurt much. Looking at the quick rise from 1.5 to 18 im surprised it hasnt been shilled on biz already.

at least an hour usually but it varies. I think you can follow just the announcements channel but desu i dont understand discord well nor use it much

>>29206845
Yeah I might buy some FLOW but it's only on Kraken and Coinlist.
Kraken wont let me buy so I might have to try Coinlist but I've never heard of it until now so hopefully it's ok.
>I think you can follow just the announcements channel
No it won't let me. I'm trying to see if I can get push notifications from their instagram page

/biz/ retards dont deserve to know about this

>>29207299
i missed everything else so i need something

>>29206926
FLOW has many projects in their pipeline besides NBA topshot. They are partnered with Diem/Libra, have Tmobile running a node, look up Genies, UFC, MotorGP, etc etc. Alsof FIFA will be teaming up with them (CEO said that)

>>29207884
I might just have to buy in then. Any ideas where I can do it or will it have to be Coinlist?

>>29207927
>>29207884
after some research, i don't think you can actually buy it anywhere right now

just bought a bunch of this
this needs to be posted on /sp also

>>29209679
fuck no. it's probably already too late to get the new pack drops. we don't need more people

>>29209863
whens the next cards release