/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>28911139
Firearms are always a great investment.
They can protect you, feed you, make you happy, and eventually if you decide to sell, make you money.

Tons of people do this you mong.
Gun collecting is a massive industry.

Imho, there is no better/safer investment than high quality firearms.....HIGH QUALITY is the key.

>>28911139
Also, consider coating everything with a gun grease if you are going to lock it away for years.

You could do the same with almost any high quality consumer product. I recommend 1987-1993 Gibson banjos. Guns are fun too, might as well diversify.

>>28911258
Behold

>>28911139
Do you think we will still be allowed to own firearms in 20 years? I mean I hope so, but the way things are going it could be gone or extremely limited within the next few years.

>>28911139
You should collect guns made before 1899 so you can sell them without a permit

>>28911399
Nahh bro. Guns are here to stay.

>>28911139
They never export their best pieces

>>28911139
Buying guns is like investing in a CD

I'm making 100% on ammo sales in this "crisis"...and there is always a "crisis"

>>28911139
stake your firearm at a 7/11 for an easy $200 in 10 minutes

(in minecraft)

>>28911399
Do you think we will still be allowed to own
>firearms
>precious metals
>cryptocurrency
>real estate
>individual equities
in 20 years? I mean I hope so, but the way things are going it could be gone or extremely limited within the next few years.

Even my really bad Firearms purchases eventually make me money in appreciation.

>>28911242
Seems like the industry for 'buy this commodity, do not use it, and intentionally store it for years' doesn't really exist in the realm of firearms. Every model of pistol no longer in production that I look up has long been removed from its box and most have been fired. I'm talking investment as the purpose wherein they're packaged in such a way that the intent is clearly to hodl
>coated in oil
>air tight container
>seal on box tamper proof
>serialized number and identifying marks on outermost display

Slow night at /pol guys?

Go the fuck back.

>>28911944
>Every model of pistol no longer in production that I look up has long been removed from its box and most have been fired
good. it is good for the weapon to be semi-regularly lubricated, fired, and cleaned. keeps it in good working order and ready to kill communist niggers. are you a nogunz?

>>28911944
Dude the Russians literally invented a whole chemical compound to do this shit.
You are way out of your depth here. NIB sales exist but are not wildly popular because people buying guns don't give a fuck about unboxing experiences.

>>28911995
You will never be a woman. You have no ovaries. Please dilate for your own sake

>>28911139
I have an extensive collection of fine, with merit of art or important pattern weapons from 1600-1900. Its certainly a worthwhile asset class but demands enthusiasm and specialist knowledge. I have a library of several hundred books on topics such as smallswords, cavalry sabres, flintlocks, percussion guns British, french, Italian, austro hungarian, Dutch etc. My most valuable single item is a flintlock by an Italian gunmaker of the 1800s inlayed and set with gold and silver and with exquisite carving. Its worth about 30K Sterling.

>>28912226
Show us your gun friend that sounds awesome

>>28912226
based, i saw a set of guns Lafayette owned that sold for around $1.5million at auction a few years back, they were brilliant looking.

You're going to need some knowledge if firearms if you're going to do this and pick proper investments.
Nobody is going to give a fuck about a one in a million plastic wonder nine off the shelf.
Choose proper brands and low production firearms and you may get somewhere.
For instance, this coonan was made in low numbers and the company is now out of business. The value of this firearm is only going to go up.
Same for historical firearms. They're only going up.
Also you need to know WHY a gun is currently valued as it is. Currently aks and other Russian firearms are massively inflated due to Russian import bans that have been in place for awhile. You buy one of these now and the value will be growing, however if some politician drops that import ban, and your value just cut in half instantly.

>>28912453
only thing you're doing with that handle wrap is shooting yourself weeb

>>28912510
>handle wrap
Cope and seethe buddy. I'm just posting advice for this guy.

>>28911139
Binary triggers. Look em up. Im almost positive the Biden administration is gonna ban them at some point. Im gonna buy a bunch of them then sell afterwards.

>>28912315
>>28912322
I don;t want to dox myself and its an important piece in catalogs. I posted a few pictures of bits in /k once but they seem to be more into modern american military arms and modern pistols, which is fine but it is not an asset class like antique arms or art. Its more something you do when you do have a few million and are comfy to pop some cash into an asset class you find enjoyable. I only buy at auction. Its important the auctioneers know you and that you catalog and preserve correctly. Half the time the value of something is in it being correctly identified, the makers name being known the condition etc. Pattern act9ion or military issue arms or guns by makes well known in literature are the way to go. Edged weapons are a whole other area, but I always match long arms with their correct antique period bayonets etc. I find them on the whole easier to store than first edition books or art after initial cleaning or restoration and waxing but certainly harder than gold, silverware or antique jewelry. I like it because its a knowledge game, if you know more about the arms than the person you buy from you can use knowledge directly to buy cheap. Not for everyone though and it takes up a 400sq room with a dehumidifier and class casing. It does make blondes gstrings hit the floor spontaneously though if you are still interested in such activities

>>28911995
what a faggot you must be to not consider this topical

>>28912960
To elaborate, if a gun or work of art is known to be an important example, it will be in recorded auction house catalogues with many photographs and will probably have been photographed and be in several books

>>28911944
You are way out of your league and disconnected from the firearms hobby and industry and collecting game. Unmaintained and unused firearms are literally frowned upon especially for older weapons.

>>28912210
checked and kek

>>28912843
But what if binary triggers are given the bumpstock treatment? I'd be careful with dumping money into these in case they do not Grandfather in previous ones like they declined to do with bumpstocks,
Unless you mean you're willing to possess and sell them illegally, in which case I'm sure you know what you're getting in to there.

>buy 100,000 cheap guns in USA
>hold until guns are illegalized
>sell for 100x profit to criminals in exchange for monero
>convert monero to RMB and become a bugman GOD
rate my plan

You seem to be forgetting the fact that they are coming for your guns.

>>28911995
Kill yourself nigger

>>28913091
Checking what exactly?

>>28913114
There are more guns in civilian hands then there are guns for all the worlds military combined. There are more armed individuals here then all the members of the worlds standing armies. I’m not afraid to die. Are you?

>>28913106
Street guns are usually cheaper than store bought

>>28911139
Sup, faggots. Here's a small taste of just my kalashnikovs. Protip: the banned imports are the best to get for collecting.

>>28913114
honestly at that point the whole country is fucked, as if it weren't already. your crypto coins won't mean shit in a commie America. The 2nd is what protects what little freedoms we have left.

>>28913244
the entire point is you won't be able to buy guns at the store because they will be 100% illegal and simply owning a gun will be a federal felony with the punishment of execution without trial

>>28911387
i like that sight in tarkov

I'm planning to cash out my crypto gains into guns and ammo instead of shitty fiat as a store of value

>>28913261
why do you have 3 sporters

>>28913074
Unmitigated nonsense you wrote there. You don't take out a pair of unique elbarotaely engraved work of art French early 17th century turn barrel holster pistols worth 60K sterling and pop off a few shots because you think reality is depicted by idiotic scripted reality shows on the history channel with names like 'pawn stars' or 'family guns'

>>28913261
>Protip: the banned imports are the best to get for collecting.
They are literally the worst what are you on about?
You're relying on an artificial scarcity that could dissappear.

>>28911387
found the CHODE holder

>>28913394
By working you're relying on the artificial scarcity of time when everyone could become immortal this century bro.

>>28913300
THESE are digits to be checked you mongoloid.

>>28913356
problem with that at the current moment is we're damn near sandy hook pricing levels. I mean green tip will get you $1.50 at the moment. Just a year ago almost to the day, that same green tip was less than .25 cents

You really cant go wrong with guns, just make sure you get them insured.

Is ammo inc our guys?

>>28913261
>Posting this beautiful collection online for the ATF to see
Why would you be so cruel to your blessings?

Got a brand new SP5 for $3000 cash last week. Already had someone offer me $4000.

Any self-loving rational sane crypto holder and /biz/nessman.. any human who loves life and wants to keep living.. should own a firearm. It’s the best investment you can make in your life. Not even for the obvious benefits but for the subtle psychological benefits. You will be more confident and more relaxed. It’s a wonderous thing.

Buy LMT, KAC, HK guns....they'll never lose value, and certain models will triple your investment inside of a year or two....especially on KAC guns. Find the brands with the biggest fan boy crowds. Buy Garands at the CMP while you still can as well, sadly all the cheap carbines are gone.

>>28913607
If you were even on the beginner level of being into guns you would already be more into older or more unique guns that simply require you to fabricate the ammunition yourself as their ammunition is no longer commercially available and maybe has not been for a 100 years. That is also a rich mans game as the sets of dies for antique rifles, along with good mould and sizer and brass can easily be another grand on top of the price of the gun. If you are at the juncture of being mainly interested in guns that fire current commercial ammunition your purchase fabricated, you are not really a gun enthusiast or collector of note and certainly not a serious investor in antique arms

>>28913866
This man knows ARs...what's your arfcom handle haha

>>28911944
>keep boxed firearm for 20 years without oil
>unbox
>Weapons fucked and fails to fire/save their life which is the one job people want it for
What’s the point anon? stick to stamp collecting fag

>>28911139
They’re great but once you buy them, you really never want to sell them. I literally have 60 guns, including long guns, shotguns, and handguns. I would never even think to sell a single one of them. It’s like lighting money on fire even though the values technically go up. AK-74’s for instance are pretty much unobtainium right now, while they went for about $1000 three years ago

>>28911139
Good quality firearms hold their value very well, but they don't appreciate in value nearly as well as most other commodities.

An M1 Garand fom WW2 in exquisite condition will not have gained as much value as equal initial purchase price in gold for example. That's also not accounting storage/maintenance costs for either item. Steel can rust, wood can rot, shitty preservative lubrication can even damage stuff over long period of time, while gold just sits there taking up space.

Guns are tools, and good tools hold their value and some even grow that value. Just not at the rate that other, better stuff does for long term investment. Buy guns because you want to buy guns, or because you need to use that particular tool. Not because it may x2 in 20 years.

>>28913916
I've likely forgotten more about guns than you'll ever know....lol @ beginner level

Not everyone collects the same way....I'm a utilitarian first and foremost, I have no use for your flintlock purely collection piece.

>>28914140
>save their life
wut?
i buy guns to kill niggers
fuck niggers fuck kikes fuck YOU

>>28913103
in that case I put them on my own guns

>>28913043
Genuinely interesting. Somebody with an interest loket yours deserves to be a millionaire. Your money would be spent in excellent ways

>>28914149
my gay state made it illegal to use a flash suppressor

>>28911399
The day that happens your guns become infinitely more valuable

>>28914161
>Guns are tools
I smell a glock owner

>>28914161
>your face when a nugget will be 500 by april

>>28913515
>two posts by this id
>only concerned with digit etiquette
based

>>28912453
.357 auto is unbelievably based

Damn my dads first gun was a Beretta 92fs, fucking mom sold off all his guns when he died REEEEEE

>>28914161
>Good quality firearms hold their value very well, but they don't appreciate in value nearly as well as most other commodities.
Actually they do and mine easily outperforms the Dow30 by at least 2x, your ppoint is valid though because what you are picking up on is mass produced arms of the 20th century and especiually oif the latter more recent portion are the shitcoins of the gun works. I'll explain a 19th cnetury beaumont vitali m1871/88 there were less than 200K made and no one will ever make another as there is no price point a functioning reproduction would make money for the production run. On the other hand I forget how many k98 Mausers Germany made but its probably in the 10 million range. Going back further only 100-50 of some makers hand made important guns may exist from the 17/18/19 century. There were about 1M sniders, 400,000 gras, 1.5 million vetterli vitalis. Of course the high point in pricing in private actions is always where art meets rarity in early and beautiful flintlocks and wheelocks which were as much pieces of art as wapons. Equally swords. You need to understand mass production in ww2 and afterwards means for there long term value. It took 200 years for brown besses to seriously inflate in value and there were about 3 million made. Much of the US domestic arms trade is an artificial not a free market like antique arms (its a respected area in Italy, France, Switzerland, UK, US etc) but in America its a market for modern mass produced arms based on politics and innumerable laws. Free markets work, ones that are artificial state constructs often collapse.

>>28914196
No, you really have not. I'm far older than you and own hundreds of weapons let alone the other private collections I have visited

>>28914539
Thanks, I didn't buy it for the investment, but I only see it going up from here.

>>28911399
Nigga, we won't own anything by 2030. Did you miss the memo? Communism is here to stay

>>28914196
We are talking about guns as an investment child not as props in your mad max fantasies

>>28914771
very well may be, wasn't looking to have a dick measuring contest. that said, I'm quite confident in my realm of firearm expertise, and don't pretend to know the entire litany of all classes of firearms.

>>28914955
I was trying to be nice to a fellow firearm owner, but clearly you are a massive boomer faggot. No fucks given

>>28913386
Nigga who the fuck talked about 17th century antiques? OP was talking about NEW IN BOX firearms of current production and holding it for years. Even if he was talking about 100 years old surplus, same deal with lack of maintenance applies.

>>28912226
Really cool stuff. Sounds like a museum.

it's pretty much a myth that you need to keep a gun locked up and not use it to get value out of it long-term.

If it's a legit heirloom with high value already (like over $2-3k) then sure, but something like an AR or AK it won't really matter.

The gun market is divided between people who hold guns for their long-term instrinsic value and people who view guns as tools.

You should only hold guns in pristine condition for long-term if it's a legit collectible.

You would be much better off buying up things like ARs/AKs, hi-cap magazines, ammo, etc. than trying to become a gun collector.

>>28915097
>>28915185
If you want to invest in arms then high quality cased dueling p[pistols will massively outperform AR15 coin in gains. This is because the tokenomics and token supply of modern firearms is in the majority of cases cases limitless, the market for AR15 coin a fake market created by regulation while the antique cased dueling pistol is a value established on an essentially unregulated and thriving market. Its free advise. Modern arms in America are in a completely artificial bubble that is a dynamic only in America. There is a global market for antique arms as a simple example, less supply higher demand. So if you wanted some good advise on gun collecting as an investment you got it and all your knowledge of modern 'practical' mass produced arms in the US is completely and utterly worthless.

>>28915524
Yes, I always wanted to live in a museum, so I do.

>>28911139
Isn't this impossible now in the US? What's stopping me from scalping rare gundam models and pokemon boxes

>>28915611
>>28915551
How did you start acquiring your collection? What did you look for first?

>>28915549
truth and great post

>>28915852
I grew up shooting but lived in an old building and there were several antique weapons there, natural curiosity to establish what they were is what drew me to the subject

Won't generally appreciate but won't depreciate either. Always good to have at least a few guns.

>>28916017
I would say that antique arms are probably one of by best performing asset classes, I remember when brown besses uncleaned were 100-200 dollars. Now they range from 2-6 thousand

>>28915551
I can see your side dude, you just can't see my side. If somebody invested in AR BCGs, and mil spec 5.56 ammo just a year ago....their returns are insane. As an American, it's hard as fuck to sell anything gun related OCONUS anyways.

>>28915975
What are your thoughts on "modern pistols" ie. Glock, Sig, HK, etc.? Are you disgusted by them?

>>28911139
Firearms are basically always a good investment
Even if they're banned they just go up in value

>>28916117
Yeah I would say antiques are the exception. Don't expect to buy a Glock and have it 10x.

>>28916150
I worked with modern weapons so they bore me although I still have a small interest in precision rifles.

I only collect assault rifles like pic.

>>28916225
Yup, big supply, mass produced, limited market size, maybe even just the US or your state eventually. Antique arms have soared in many categories in many counties 19th century pattern rifles, cavalry sabres, 18/19th century swords, flintlocks, then you have the US civll war end, Napoleonic, British/Dutch/Frecnh Empire etc etcand rising markets e.g sikh arms have soared in value as several billionaire sihks are buyers. I have two sihk shields I bough because I just liked them, I have been offered 10K for one and turned it down.

>>28912691
Right, faggot. End it, on live stream preferably so I can laugh at your misfortune and suffering

>>28916397
Model?

This is nice and all, but let's talk models and returns. I can make 12% annually with Pokemon booster boxes for Christ's sake. Shill me something golden and compact, like a low model number revolver or something. Also heard the Kar98s were being manufactured again or something. Sounds promising if you could find them.

>>28916506
In Russia Caucasian daggers for example have soared in price also. I have noticed also that antique arms is least effected by recession and recovers fastest

>>28916591
I'm a relative poorfag but have managed to get a few nice antique swords and guns. I don't expect the price of them to ever go down. Plus they look good on display.

are 10.5" SBRs good? wanting to use 300 blackout rounds with a supressor because they are quiet

>>28916711
Enjoy, its a fascinating interest

I hold link full disclosure

>>28915551
>high quality cased dueling p[pistols
oh fuck this is a good idea

>>28911387
just
COOOOOMMMMMMED
AHHHH...

>>28913261
What's the one with the wood furniture? It's beautiful

>>28917073
Thanks, I've had the swords for a few years, but only recently got the guns. Webley MP and a scarce(less than 30 known) Webley RIC variant. They definitely won't be the last either.

>>28911139
>>>/k/catalog

>>28911995
>
Nice spacing my dude.

>>28917611
Molot Super Vepr in .308.

>>28916397
u rly posted a zip .22

>>28911399
There are 400 million guns in circulation in the US. 40% of households own guns. These are just reported numbers, the real figure is probably much, much higher. Corona has also prompted millions of noobs to buy guns for the first time. Yea.. guns are here to stay.

>>28916771
Depends on the caliber. I'm personally of the mind that sub-11.5" is better chambered in 300blk. In short barrels, 11.5" and below, 5.56 is traveling 20% faster than 5.56 and weighs roughly half of what 300blk does. 300blk absolutely btfo's 5.56 in kinetic energy in short barrels that will be suppressed.

At the velocities sbr's in 5.56 offer,its not penetrating any meaningful NIJ ratings either, so it cannot tout this advantage over 300blk until the 3,000fps-3,200fps range offered by 16"-20" barrels. Meaning to say, that 5.56 doesn't penetrate III+ out of short barrels and neither does 300blk, but 300blk offers more kinetic energy and suppresses better which makes it ideal for guns with barrels ranging from 6"-12" in length.

That being said, 5.56 is cheaper, lighter, and more available than 300blk, so unless you've got thousands of dollars to stack 300blk deep, you're better off with 5.56. I've owned 6", 8", 9", 10.5", 11.5" and 12.5" rifles and I will say that I do not feel a big difference in "perceived length" when handling them until 9". 10.5 and 11.5 are virtually indistinguishable, and 12.5" doesn't really feel much longer than either of those either.

If you are building the gun to be a duty gun or are preparing for the "Boogaloo", I would personally reccomend 11.5" or 12.5" 5.56 since these lengths gain 100-200fps over 10.5 and help mitigate the flash and concussion. If you want to build a tiny ar15 that you plan to keep a suppressor on for home defense, then I'd suggest an 8"-10.5" 300blk.

Tl;dr: yeah.