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two more months?

>>No.28882777
Based.
Thread ended on kek's mercy.

>>28882777
Moonman with trips of truth right at end of last thread

Watching this crabbing is like watching a fat person try to do hurdles. This is gonna take forever, isn't it.

Any interesting news today GMEfags? Heard the 13G's are out

>>28883044
One month bro just one month!!!!!!!

>>28883004
>>28883257

>>28882905
check this screen anon support the cause

This is like Qanon all over again.

"JUST WATCH IT TRUMP IS GONNA BE PRESIDENT BRO DONT WORRY HE'S GOT A PLAN"

>>28882777
OOOOOO

>>28883362

>>28883362
kek

>>28883387
that’s two weeks ago, this week is trying to act like you have the time to wait and we don’t. get with the program

>>28882905
give me one reason I should hold instead of losses and going all in on a shit coin?

>>28883483
post receipt

>>28883387

Bros I thought this wasn't supposed to go under 50

>>28883483
>gamble on GME
>potential to get return without having to spend money on gas fees and ETH conversion
>gamble on shitcoin
>potential to lose everything due to pajeet rugpull
Your choice, anon.

>>28883387
Here's $15. Damn bro, you just got $45 for this comment! Good job buddy

>>28883702
What are you talking about? It veers between like 47-53 and has done for over a week every day.

>>28883052
truly a blessed moment in history, imagine if Linkies started buying GME because of digits

>>28883702

>>28883801
>>28883910
But everyone has been saying 50 was the wall. I bought in at 325 a share and want out.

>>28883990
Its literally at 49.42 right now shut the fuck up

>>28883990
F

>>28884068
That's below 50 though

>>28883990
Well sounds like you better start rooting for Blackrock and the long hedgies to win.

>>28884148
I need to root for my livelihood bro everyone in these threads for 10 days now has said "wait" and then time just gets fucking longer to wait

>>28884307
Yeah man I can't believe this event which had no deadline had no deadline, fucking wild

>>28883702

buy wall at 50 doesn't mean it doesn't fluctuate around the price. If there wasn't one the price wouldve bottomed out already

The volume keeps getting smaller and smaller. Not even over 7M so far today

>>28882905
You won Melvin. I just sold all my GME. I'm out because I totally believe there won't be a squeeze. What was I thinking! Right lads? We are all totally and definitely selling our shares right now. Everybody moved on Melvin. This thread is just bots trying to confuse you. You guys might as well let the squeeze happen now because 4chan has sold all their shares. Most definitely. Good bye now.

>>28884307
Bro if you thought stocks was fast then you got into the wrong game.
This is legal warfare of the highest order and these titans of financial fury are furrowing frantically, fiscally, and frivolously in an attempt to out-jew one another.
This is literally "Who's gonna wear the large hat now" in terms of financial standings and by god they will take their sweet time to bleed Melvin out if they can and need to.
If you want off the ride, i'm sorry but it's MR BONE'S WILD RIDE at this point, and getting off means potentially eating two losses in giving up and admitting the shills were right, or selling low and then missing the moon.
Choose how you want to be humiliated.

>>28884566
Checked and kek'd
>Imagine if we could get a threat that was just shills and bots fighting each other.
>We could place bets! Like a hobofight!

>>28884445
But there's CONSTANTLY deadlines posted
Recent deadline was the 9th and nothing changed

>>28884621
But it was fast when it went to 1800%. I obviously should have just sold. I'm stuck with you clowns putting on hopes and dreams.

2500 so I can buy a Truck to help mommy

Buy $CLF

>>28883990
Then sell? You'll get out real quick.

>>28884743
>when it went to 1800%
After literally a 2 month buildup, you fucking idiot.
You niggers have no fucking patience, and can't stand seeing numbers tick down. This is why you would never cut it as a gambler, kid.

>>28884148
>long hedgies
the longest

>>28884743
The 'deadline' you refer to is the biweekly reporting date or short interest. This was favorable. Yes, if it was a catastrophe it might have triggered a squeeze, but no one was genuinely suggesting it was a sure thing.

Your understanding of this whole thing seems very shaky if this has to be explained to you, which is probably not surprising as from the sounds of things you invested more than you can lose.

If you cannot hold a stock stick to flipping shitcoins. This isn't even a long time.

>>28884566
checked, we all sold. i covered in shitcoins anyways and i can always write it off. thanks for the sound advice melvin.

>>28884835
>two months
Nigga what? It went from 25 a share to fucking 480 in literally two trade weeks. And in the same two trade weeks it's back down to 49.

>>28884902
Honestly? I think you guys know you fucked up and are just in the denial phase. I think you're scrambling for any confirmation bias so you don't kill yourselves over missing the sell.

>>28885008
>Honestly? I think you guys know you fucked up and are just in the denial phase.
Ok, care to explain your reasoning for this beyond sheer hyperbole?

>>28885008
this is a shill and he got you guys. fucking kek

>>28882905
How's my little crossboarder newfags doing? Did the heckin hedgies buy up all your shares at $42069 after the short squeeze was initiated after short interest data came out on the 9th?

Should I buy the dip?

>>28885163
yes

>>28885069
>sheer hyperbole
What about a stock going from 480 to 49 dollars? And all this math I've seen, and posting comments from reddit from literal nobodies.

>>28885008
>confirmation bias
Just ousted yourself as a shill, their whole anti-biz playbook is to just try and convince people they are being biased in fucking dumbshit ways.
Have fun causing a boomerang effect bro, and here's 15 dollars.
You stupid niggers are easy to pick out, it's not even funny.

Just sell already guys, I sold today and put it in NAK/GPL holding this is asking to lose the rest of your money

>>28885217
So you have nothing, got it. Last response from me.

On the slim chance you are not a shill I recommend you do some research.

>>28885224
>here's 15 dollars
Anything is better than holding make-believe dreams

>>28885224
based

>>28885330
Here's more bro.
I don't mind
Also here, just for you.

>>28883727
I already got rugpulled with gme. I don't see the point in holding this when I've lost like 80%

>>28885329
I have and research tells me shorts are covered. But of course, because of confirmation bias, any information that does not conform to "gme mooning" is a shill and jew. But I'm stuck holding bags because you fucks think you're experts.

>>28885415
Thank you.

>>28885133
>>28885077
>>28884566
>>28883044
do you feel it in the air /biz/bros

>>28885330
i like you guys so much better than the pajeets, probably cause you are likely white. never leave. please

>>28883483

You shouldn't have put more money in GME that you were willing to lose (this includes losing the ability to invest in crypto).

t. someone who plans on putting any GME profits, or loses, into crypto once this finally shakes out.

2500 EOW

>>28885498
Show research.
I'm willing to humor your demoralization tactics but you have to BURST our hope bubble if you hope to be successful yourself, and being a debate fag as i am, am always eager to see data put forth.
If you've done the legwork, kindly show your math with the rest of the class.

>>28885588

>>28885498
How is there 200% institutional longs right now?

>>28885625
He is just going to come out with 'look how big the original spike was!' or 'the short interest percent fell so they covered everything at 400' completely ignoring the mountains of evidence against these points as all the shills do.

it will be interesting if the shills ever do actually do some research and we might end up having to contend with legit points, but we're not there yet

>>28885588
>You shouldn't have put more money in GME that you were willing to lose

I was willing to lose and I lost it. So why should I continue holding if it's just going to slowly drop back down to 20? instead of taking the little amount of money and just throwing it at something that will go up

How much longer? I just want my life back.

>>28885758
To make it more confusing how is there 200% when there is only reportedly 78% short.
It's a confusing clusterfuck of contradictions that makes the 78% look really fucking disingenuous.

>>28885625
>show research
There's a thing called "schema" and "prototypes" in Psychology and no matter what I would do to counter you, your prototype would be unbudging. I post links, you'd refute them. I post nothing, you call it admitted defeat and shilling. There's quite literally no point. These threads are an echo chambers of wishes and waiting. I think you lads have convinced me to sell my bags today.

>>28885806
just sell anon, this game wasn’t meant for you. we play by the digits of a higher power here

>>28885783
Chatty kathy went silent the moment he was called out for proof anyway, as they always do.
He was so quick to respond and now its like he never existed. Quaint.

>>28885758
when they short/naked short those shares go to institutions

Shill here, just trying to up my post count.

>>28885876
Man, >>28885783 was right, he did ignore it completely and just say "ha ha i won't shake you".
No, you would if you had legit proof, which you do not. So i will remain to hold, you will remain at sucking at your job, and i will walk out of this ahead of you financially.
That is unless, you have bombshell evidence able to change the course of the gamble completely and make me short GME to hell, and win either way.
Your draw, kid.

>hurr durr retards bagholders q
>herp derp shills
>hurrr reddit

>eternal $50 crab

>>28885985
You mean the shares that don’t exist? What is an FTD?

>>28886045
https://investorplace.com/2021/02/gme-stock-gamestop-has-to-go-down-strange-implications/

>Which is why I have to begrudgingly agree withAssociate Professor Anjana Susarla, Department of Accounting and Information Systems, Broad MSU.In an email to InvestorPlace Professor Susarla wrote:

>“My advice will be to disregard the HODL type of advice. Ultimately, large hedge funds have the institutional power to keep their positions open, unlike retail investors. Robinhood announced that it would automatically close some positions if it deems that a client is at risk of not having the necessary collateral… The other concern is that social media can be intentionally manipulated wherein we have a cycle of social media hype fueled investing that is not related to the market fundamentals.”
I didn't ignore anything.

>>28886089
Yes, and its failure to deliver which is when they don't pay back the shares they owe.

>>28886192
What do you think will happen to the price if shares are recalled, if say something were to occur in the next earnings call?

>>28884762
How heavy are your clf bags anon?

>>28886321
shit skyrockets and gamestop destroys the economy

>>28886181
>Caring about the retail
Right, but it's not about retail bro. It's INSTITUTIONS that have the majority, a staggering 200% of it.
So why the fuck should we care if Retail has power or stocks or not? I don't.
I'm not a retail business owner.
I'm just a man holding a stock.
Collateral? Please.
This is literally not numbers and just people's opinions.
DATA, HARD NUMBERS.
You show us these and we have a debate. You are on the right track tho, i like your chutzpah, shill. You may be the sharpest one i've met yet.
Begrudging respect.

>>28886442
based tony poster

Notice how shills cannot actually dispute claims and stop responding when asked for evidence instead of emotional responses

>>28885806
>So why should I continue holding if it's just going to slowly drop back down to 20?

None of the numbers that we are seeing right now imply that this is going to slowly sink to $20.

It's either going to very quickly go from $50 to $0 or squeeze. If I were you I'd sell half of whatever you have in GME and go in on GRT which will give you a 2x within a few weeks, then keep the rest in GME. You'll at least break even in the most likely scenario, short term. Definitely in the green in the long term.

Uhhh guys did you buy $CLF???

>>28886832
Damn last time I remember it was 16, good shit.

>>28886832
No because CLF is dogshit tranny stock also that's U.S. Steel Corp, CLF is about to have massive share dilution so its a cuck stock.

>>28886442
The institutions have the collateral to hold indefinitely. Do you think these billion dollar companies don't know what they're doing? They got caught with their pants down on a fluke because someone paid attention, and they've covered after the 1800% squeeze. This was unprecedented and now it's over.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2021/02/02/bought-gamestop-stock-last-week-heres-your-best-ho/
>However, short sellers may have already mostly covered. According to a Bloomberg article citing data fromIHS Markit, only 39% of GameStop's float is now sold short.For perspective, it was over 100% short interest just last month as the squeeze started. This makes sense since prominent hedge funds like Melvin Capital Management have already announced they've covered their positions at a substantial loss.
>With each passing day, the possibility of a new high from a GameStop short squeeze becomes less likely.
>Consider that GameStop stock had a dirt cheap valuation prior to the squeeze because the business was struggling. For much of 2020, the stock traded below 0.2times trailing sales. Let's suppose that Cohen's plan works long term and GameStop starts regaining market share. Some of those sales could also have a higher profit margin thanks to its digital push. Therefore, it's not outrageous to think this stock could someday sustainably trade at a higher valuation. This and higher sales could push its market capitalization marginally higher than where it was last week.
>The point is, if you're hoping to recoup your losses in GameStop stock, Cohen's plan is one of the best chances for it to happen. But this will be a multi-year transformation. In other words, you could be waiting a long time just to reach your original cost basis.

>>28886804
It's always the same.
"Well you won't sell if i do show you"
>Tell em you would if evidence showed no hope and was verifiable
>Links people's opinions like leftist brainwashing rhetoric works in business.
>Vanishes off the face of the earth when they can't pull out a "Bias" or label to slap you with. Par for the course.

Dont mind me just passing by to call you all retarded
Keep losing money retards

>>28885904
based. i don’t care if every retail position left in liquidates. im keeping mine until fidelity moves. shilling is pointless

>>28884687
Maybe we can anon.
A month ago I ran an experiment on /pol/ to see how many bots there were compared to actual human posters. I did this by posting a pic with a link to a DES encryption website and had everyone communicate on the thread in code. Maybe I should do that here.

>>28886987
Most of what I see is saying GME is going bankrupt, which we already know won’t happen given new leadership and business deals ensuring cash flow. Also there is never an explanation for the institutional ownership nor anything to explain the short activity around XRT - do you have anything to dispute this? I’m listening to you.

>>28886982
>fool.com
>Just sell bro
nice try, schlomo. Mama didnt raise no fool

>>28886982
>39%
>officially it's 78%
>39% was a proven lie
>They actually went with the lie for the article.
Again, more people's opinions using second hand sources and citing their own personal opinions on the matter. Show me the numbers YOURSELF.
Come on now, a chart you found and "News" article does not evidence make.
Are you incapable of doing your own math or research? Are you just this lazy you have to suck the tit of people obviously lying to you?
Checkmate, fag.
Real work or GTFO, i'm not going to accept lazy halfwork.
What do i look like, the DNC?

>>28886982
Dude come on
>According to a Bloomberg article citing data fromIHS Markit, only 39% of GameStop's float is now sold short.
This is conveniently ignoring the 200% institutional hold? Care to explain how that is possible? Both cannot be true at the same time. That is leaving aside this figure does not match the current data after 9 Feb anyway which shows it is wrong.

The actual fundamentals of the stock are completely irrelevant to the squeeze situation, so I won't even bother on the latter part.

>>28886982
I like how it links back to when the shorts were over 100%, but doesn't actually link the source they used to say they covered. They just say "oh yeah an article on that other website...."

>>28886982
>Jews so mad they change the fucking math regarding the Short Interest %
Yeah bro Im selling my bags right now its not evem 39% its actually -5% my bags are borrowed from Melvin

>>28887252
>>28887308
>>28887311
>>28887354
>>28887395
https://www.marketbeat.com/stocks/NYSE/GME/short-interest/

I'm not doing the numbers myself because I'm not a fucking accountant and neither are you nor any random stranger on Reddit. You missed the ship. If fucking ELON MUSK TWEETING ABOUT GME DIDNT SEND IT TO 1K A SHARE, a literal TRILLIONAIRE and one of the richest men on earth, what fucking hope does a bunch of rice farmers on a Mongolian fishing forum have?
Again, as I had said above, you are all just looking for confirmation bias. You reply to each other with "based" and "OOOOO" but truly have no idea what's happening here and are dreaming that GME will reach even half of what it did at the end of Jan. And again, as I predicted, you shriek that any link that isn't reddit or some random economic student (I've seen the YouTube links here) is false information and shilling. The only numbers I've seen from here is pseudo-science done by people with not even an iota of financial education or mathematical prowess. When I post information from fucking certified financial institutions, it's fake. But when you post random math from our of your ass, it's real.

>>28886982
the short squeeze happened and it was combined with an overlapping pump and dump as retail frenzy started
now theres a few million baghodlers that got in at anywhere from 80 - 450 and those wont sell, rest of the shares are probably in instituational portfolios, ETFs or held by management and will be release during upcoming rebalancings, slowly moving the price down to its long term target of about 5-10

depending on whether the company manages to make a turnaround (unlikely, see kodak, blockbuster, etc. incumbents are ususally wiped out when their business model becomes obsolete) we might see a long term rise to 20 or 30

i still suggest you hold, just to have that nice red -90% in your portfolio, if you ever make a decent win in the stock market then maybe sell it, it will offset some of your taxes

>>28888038
>emotional nonsense
As expected

>>28888038
>I'm not doing the numbers myself because I'm not a fucking accountant and neither are you nor any random stranger on Reddit. You missed the ship. If fucking ELON MUSK TWEETING ABOUT GME DIDNT SEND IT TO 1K A SHARE, a literal TRILLIONAIRE and one of the richest men on earth, what fucking hope does a bunch of rice farmers on a Mongolian fishing forum have?
Again, as I had said above, you are all just looking for confirmation bias. You reply to each other with "based" and "OOOOO" but truly have no idea what's happening here and are dreaming that GME will reach even half of what it did at the end of Jan. And again, as I predicted, you shriek that any link that isn't reddit or some random economic student (I've seen the YouTube links here) is false information and shilling. The only numbers I've seen from here is pseudo-science done by people with not even an iota of financial education or mathematical prowess. When I post information from fucking certified financial institutions, it's fake. But when you post random math from our of your ass, it's real.

>>28888038
>certified financial institutions
Lmfao, oh wow

>>28888038
the price is 49. what's the best I can hope for to exit soon?

>>28888038
>fool.com
>marketbeat
>certified financial institution

Nice sites, Schlomo. Will you next cite buzzfeed as a source? Why are you so eager to convince others to sell shares?

>>28886059
$50 crab is still 10x what it was a few months ago

>>28888038
At this point I feel like people must be larping as shills for fun

>>28888038
>certified financial institution
>motley fool

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>28888321
49

>>28885498
>confirmation bias
It seems that my list isn't up to date.

COME ON CRAB TO 50 FOR FUCK SAKES

>>28888038
hedgies get wedgies

I’m not scared. GME 5000 eow

>>28888170
As expected you have no rebuttal
>>28888249
Learn to greentext
>>28888260
>>28888392
>>28888497
Motley Fool isn't, sure. But Marketbeat uses SEC information directly.
>>28888609
Anything to help you sleep at night.
So does anyone here have actual rebuttal or are you going to point me to the nearest reddit users math or an economic student making predictions on YouTube?

Reminder of why we're here right now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GME/comments/ll5t0l/new_ftd_data_is_out/
https://www.etfchannel.com/type/most-shorted-etfs/

>>28888839
I'm actually going to point you to my massive nuts and politely request you to fart on them sir

>>28888475
we have become what we hated

https://www.melovedata.com/fail-to-delivers-and-gamestop-a-look-inside/

Can someone explain?

>>28888828
So close! Those numbers! They are squoooozing me. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>28888839
>SEC
Kek, what good did they do to stop the mortgage crisis in 2008? SEC doesn’t give a fuck about lying to protect capital interest nor do they have any power to stop it.

Just checking the get
>>28888888

>>>28888170 (You
>As expected you have no rebuttal
>>>28888249 (You)
>Learn to greentext
>>>28888260 (You)
>>>28888392 (You)
>>>28888497 (You)
>Motley Fool isn't, sure. But Marketbeat uses SEC information directly.
>>>28888609 (You)
>Anything to help you sleep at night.
>So does anyone here have actual rebuttal or are you going to point me to the nearest reddit users math or an economic student making predictions on YouTube?

>>28888972
*farts on your massive nuts*

>>28889166
And thay gives you confidence that they won't manipulate GME? What stops these literal billionaires from exploiting the market? If it's so easy, and I'm a shill, doesn't that mean you lose?

>>28888839
>15 posts by this ID
Why are you even here? Why try this hard to argue against a stock, you could be doing literally anything else right now and yet you clicked on this thread and can't get out.

>>28889354
Because I'm a bag holder wondering how I, like you, let people convince me this was worth it.

>>28888038
lmfao @ this kike shill

>>28889402
post portfolio faggot

>GME stuck on 50 for 2 weeks
>people keep changing short squeeze dates
>every single research changed every time
Now I wish GME crashes below 10 just so you redditors leave the goddamn board

>>28889256
based, I’m going all into BTC once GME plays out

>>28889402
Holy shit if you get this fucking emotional just sell and never invest again oh my god anon.

>>28888921
XRT FTDs 220x in two weeks. Wow.

>>28889441
>people keep changing short squeeze dates
Nice headcanon kike

>>28889301
*sniifffffffffffffff*
Yep, based shill. I'm market selling all my shit right now

GME FTDs:
1/15 892,653

1/19 1,498,576

1/20 1,007,562

1/21 1,438,994

1/22 273,600

1/25 275,113

1/26 2,099,572

1/27 1,972,862

1/28 1,032,986

1/29 138,179

XRT FTDs:

1/15 10,187

1/19 9,134

1/20 1,144

1/21 17,703

1/22 23,125

1/25 112,536

1/26 127,661

1/27 80,112

1/28 385,651

1/29 2,218,348

This isn't over, not by a long shot. They've simply delayed (and actually increased) their debt, prolonging the inevitable. Short selling ETFs is a real thing. In fact, I read a 60 page paper on this exact topic last night (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2836518).). I'll be posting some relevant passages from here.

>>28889162
https://youtu.be/I0WXg5T3cBE
havent read your link cause lazy
>whys the shorts percentage so low
theyre hiding it by shorting XRT etf which has a majority hold of GME stocks, theyre shorting 99 of the things they hold except one which is gme

something something someone with a brain explain it to him

>Accounts by market participants corroborate this conjecture: For example, MarketWatch reports that “One hedge fund with which Weinhoffer is familiar was struggling to borrow a stock and instead shorted an ETF that contained the shares, ... The manager then took long positions in all the other stocks in the ETF”. Barron’s recently runs a column piece titled exactly as “Synthetic Shorting with ETFs”. It points out that hedge funds frequently create synthetic shorting using ETFs, particularly when it is costly or outright impossible to borrow the target stock(s). In addition, some hedge funds prefer using ETFs to short underlying stocks so that their rivals cannot easily detect their trading strategies.

>Our empirical analyses suggest that directional betting, especially synthetic shorting, is an important component of ETF shorting activities. First, we document that shorting activity on the ETF rises with the difficulty of shorting underlying constituents. Specifically, ETF short interest is high when the demand for shorting the underlying stocks is high, when the lendable supply of underlying constituents is low, and when the cost of shorting the underlying stocks is high. When we proxy the level of short-sale constraint of constituent stocks using idiosyncratic volatility (Pontiff (2006)) and Amihud (2002) illiquidity measure, we find that ETF short selling is more active when the underlying stocks are less liquid or more volatile.7 These relationships are robust to controlling for ETF characteristics such as ETF size and turnover, and the intensity of operational shorting activities. It suggests that there is a (partial) substitution between stock-level shorting and ETF shorting, especially when an ETF’s underlying stocks are difficult to short.

>>28889301
Nah I’m just waiting out until it’s time for shorts to pay the piper, I already made 30k and I’m chilling with 100 shares. The pressure is building, it’s a matter of time before the house of cards comes tumbling down, SEC turning a blind eye to manipulation doesn’t mean manipulators won’t have it blow up in their face, I’m just disputing your point that SEC info means fuckall.

>>28889873
SEC knows that the issue will handle itself so they can just do fuck all and collect a paycheck

heil hitler
GME 2000 eom

>To the extent that short sellers use ETFs to express their bearish opinions on individual
stocks, stocks that are heavily shorted via their holding ETFs should expect to earn negative returns in the future. Thus, in the second part of our empirical analyses, we examine the informativeness of ETF-level shorting for future returns. As a first check, we examine the predictive relation at the ETF level. We find that ETF short ratio negatively predict future ETF returns, suggesting that a non-trivial fraction of shorting activity in ETF is driven by directional betting. However, since ETF shorting can also be used for synthetic shorting on individual stocks, one should be able to more reliably glean information from ETF shorting activities by aggregating ETF short interests to the stock level.
One of the key innovations of our paper is that we construct a short interest ratio for each stock from the short interests of all ETFs holding that particular stock. This measure, which we call the ETF-based short ratio, reflects the collective shorting demand of that stock through short selling ETFs. The idea is that stocks in the intersection of several highly shorted ETFs are more likely to be the true targets of ETF short bets. We first validate our ETF-based short ratio by examine its correlation with hedge fund ownership. Our result shows that stocks which are heavily shorted via ETFs have significantly lower hedge fund ownership, suggesting that the measure does capture well the shorting demand from sophisticated investors.

This describes the GME situation to a fucking tee. The only difference: while, the authors back up their claim that short selling ETFs usually yields downturn in the price movement of the target stock by stating that stocks like these usually have diminished "hedge fund" (i.e. institutional) ownership, this is not the case for GME (~200% institutional ownership).

>>28883387
4chan memed Trump into the white house and now 4chan is going to meme Melvin into the poor house.

>>28889402
>>28889549
And I am not just saying this because im an asshole, its genuinely better for your mental health to just let go it'll sting at first but its just money you can earn it back. People come to these threads to discuss the stock not watch people like you whine about it.

Let's look at this part again:

>some hedge funds prefer using ETFs to short underlying stocks so that their rivals cannot easily detect their trading strategies.

This is what I really think is happening. Institutional infighting, just a couple of trillion dollar firms looking to eat up Citadel, Melvin, and other shorts. Given that Citadel alone owns 20% of the fucking market, I can't imagine the general market downturn we're in for once funds start liquidating their positions to buy GME. Buckle up.

Buy $CLF bros

Took competitors offline and have more control over inventory and overhead.. supporting prices domestically and have leverage to renegotiate prices higher in the future.. last increase was December. Very bullish

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3645165-cleveland-cliffs-pushes-plate-prices-to-900-st-ex-works

>>28890137
this, we're not wsb, there are things to discuss here besides "help i lost my grandmas enema money and she has a rock hard turd stuck in her colon what do i do" just sell and move on if you can't handle this.

>>28889402
How come this dude stopped replying as soon as someone asked for proof?
>>28889429

>>28890432
I was jacking off

>>28890367
tell me CLF tranny, why does no one trust you?

>>28890367
JUST FUCK OFF NO ONE WANTS TO BUY CLF QUIT BAN EVADING ITS A CURSED SHITTY STOCK YOU PAJHEET TRANNY NIGGER

>>28890481
Oh, alright man, that's cool. Portfolio?

>>28890481
post proof faggot

>>28890557
>>28890568
Post what, my bags or something?

What are the odds that Berkshire Hathaway's mystery stock that they bought in December is GME?

>>28890367
Broadcastercowo: man
Broadcastercowo: listen
Broadcastercowo: ray charles could see this coming
Broadcastercowo: CLF generated 1.65b in revenue while sitting on 3b mkt cap
Broadcastercowo: shortly after announce 1.4b deal to buy arcelormittal USA operations
Broadcastercowo: no one fucking paid attention
Broadcastercowo: LG said we had an excellent quarter
Broadcastercowo: a month before earnings on youtube
Broadcastercowo: on msnbc
Broadcastercowo: and no one paid attention
Broadcastercowo: this was september
Broadcastercowo: and earnings was early onvember
Broadcastercowo: now we in middle of december
Broadcastercowo: sitting 4-5 dollars up from that point
Broadcastercowo: its not going to end
Prime GamingyungNO7ORIOUS: i see
Prime GamingyungNO7ORIOUS: so i guess 1.6b is a lot of revenue and 3b market cap is very low? like how do you translate this, are there some general indicators? (for example having >2 rev and
<3
mk is translated as undervalued)
Prime GamingyungNO7ORIOUS: fuck, that heart lmao i meant less than 3
Broadcastercowo: do u know what a market cap is
Broadcastercowo: a market cap is what a company is worth
Broadcastercowo: if CLF was worth 3 billion dollars on Q3 earnings day where they announced 1.65b of revenue for the quarter
Broadcastercowo: then this means they generated over half of what the company is worth in a quarter
Prime GamingyungNO7ORIOUS: ahhh i understand
Prime GamingyungNO7ORIOUS: thanks man
Prime GamingyungNO7ORIOUS: i have 300 in my bank but im going to put 200 on clf to buy that dip
Broadcastercowo: of course debt is taken into factor as well.. clf has roughly 6b in debt... but what does this matter when now pro forma this 2nd M&A C
Broadcastercowo: CLF is generating 17b.. B. riley analyst already calling for 2.65 earnings for next year
Broadcastercowo: so is CLF is trading at $26.50 this is a PE ratio of only 10
Broadcastercowo: clf right now is half that
Broadcastercowo: so anyway you cut or slice it CLF is undervalu

>>28890481
post portfolio faggot

>>28890481
Yeah you should definitely sell, the reduced stress will also help you with your coomer problem

>>28890673
Yes.

>>28890673
I guess you are hastily making a virtual portfolio right now anon?

>>28890718
I was kidding. You need to lighten up and practice watch you preach.

>>28890719
No, because I sold on Jan 28th and I'm hired by a private company to sow the seeds of discord and to generate replies.

>>28890841
we know, faggot

>Thread couple of hours before premarket
>Everyone is engaged in rational discourse and information-sharing
>Even those with opposing views explain their perspective
>Market open
>Retards on both sides screaming at each other
Nice

>>28890916
that’s cause it’s American hours. deal with it

>>28882905
You guys still going on with this shit? What's your rationale for holding onto it? Doesn't look like the price is going to skyrocket again, it was a freak occurrence. Unless you're preparing to hold for years and GameStop somehow becomes a giant digital retailer in the future I don't see this going anywhere anytime soon.

>>28890915
Now what if I told you that's a lie and people on the internet lie and you should always consult an investor before making rash decisions like buying GME after it peaked at an 1800% increase?

>buy game for 60 bux
>get 4 from Gamestop when I sell them
>buy stock for 300 bux
>???

Fuck you, I will NEVER sell

>>28891023
K

The options prices are actually fucking stupid right now. You can get a credit for opening a debit spread.

>>28891222
Yes? Do you have an answer or are you just some passive-aggressive tranny?

>>28891416
it exacly looks like its going to skyrocket

>>28891416
Your question has been asked like 4 times in this very thread. Read it.

>>28891023
>What's your rationale for holding onto it?
Here >>28888921

>>28891023
if the magic short numbers are right, it goes up and I make money, if it drops to zero I can reduce my capital gains tax; kinda stuck here either way

>>28891092
i would call you a kike and remind you that your mind games don’t work on autistic people

>>28891476
>>28891496
>>28891510
Thanks, I'll look into it. I'm not cunt and I hope whoever bought this at the top gets their money back at least, it just seems unrealistic to me.

>>28891023
I am planning to hold for years on the assumption it becomes a competitive e commerce company

>>28891656
if the hegies arent boasting about shitting on the retailers on TV then something is up

>>28884762
>>28886832
>>28886904
>>28886927

Let's go CLF chads

10 min to go and the longs are pushing it back up.

>>28883990
No the resistance is 40

>>28891416
Seething

Volume is going to close below 8M. The average prior to the hype was around 12M per day (and that was at $20). Seems like a pressure cooker to me

>go shovel some snow out of the driveway
>Come back
Shills still have not cited a single, SINGLE source that is not outright lying or using "Assumptions" regarding GME, and not looking at the data proper
>Excuses, excuses excuses.
Sounds like a load of gonk talk to me hermano, my street instinct tells me buying in would be a smart thing to do, choom.
This is it, V. We gonna hit the big time, Mi Amigo.

>>28892406
volume getting lower but price barely moving just confirms that no one is selling but no one is buying

>>28892406
It really does. I hope we get to see some steam coming out before it explodes.

Should I cut my losses and dump the last of my GME into Rubic?

DING DING DING DING DING DING
Another day, another ~$50 closing.

>>28892524
Everyone's holding lol

>>28892682
Yep rounding up.
The shorts just CAN't catch a break.

>>28892651
Selling is literally the stupidest thing you can do. You would be selling at the bottom at a huge loss when it is expected to rise.

The only case where I think it is justified is if you need the money out so much you have no choice, or if you got in very early and so don't have much of a loss. Even then I'd say that's unwise.

>>28892651
ngmi

So that closing price is good news right gme bros?

>closed at 49.50
bros I might just sell

>>28892969
Yeah bro mooning stocks crab and fall 5% all the time

*continues holding*

For everyone single one of you asking if you should cut your losses and sell, the answer is yes, you should, now fuck off.

>>28893109
t. Melvin

>>28893079
NOOOOOOO WHY WON'T HEEEE SELLLLLLL, IT IS MY DIVINE RIGHT TO WIN THIS, I'VE RIGGED ALL THE NUMBERS AND MEDIA, EVERYONE KNOWS I'VE WON, IT'S MY RIGHT TO WIN, WHY WON'T YOU SELLLLLLLLL AKAGI SHIGERUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!

>>28892969
Pretty much. The situation is effectively just holding until the shorts cave. As long as the price is maintained about the level where they can safely exit we're good.

It's honestly an ideal situation. Instead of the last few weeks where we have to nervously watch the price for fear of it tanking to market value and it all being over, now it seems institutions are artificially maintaining the price at 50 so we don't even need to worry. We just have to wait.

I really want this thing to squeeze now just to see the absolute despair from all the redditfags who sold at a massive loss.

>>28893225
>As long as the price is maintained about the level where they can safely exit we're good.
Typo, I mean CAN'T safely exit. As in the shorts.

>>28893284
It would be a nice end to the story with even a moral at the end.

>>28893284
There's that but I also want to see all the non-shill FUDders rope too

>>28889567
Actually this is pretty true. Everyone said it was last tuesday (most recently, we've gone through like 10 fridays) but here we are.

>>28893225
>As long as the price is maintained about the level where they can safely exit we're good.

How do you know they didn't short at 400?

Digits decide how high the short will go

$2000

>>28893617
25

>>28893550
We "speculate" that they didn't. That's why this is called speculating and not investing.

>>28893617
$1488

>>28893550
Quite a lot of reasons. Price movement doesn't match it, volume when considering the extent of retail involvement makes it unlikely, at the time it did not look like it was going to drop so it would have been a potentially suicidal play.

Following that, short interest and the extent of institutional ownership and now the XRT info all suggest that they have not covered the majority of their shorts.

Separately to this there is the level of botting/shilling and the general media presence/misinformation. Again, not something that happens when you are in a safe position.

There is simply so much suggesting that they didn't cover that it isn't really worth considering they did. Also, the institutions owning 200% did not do so with the intent of losing money, which again suggests we are not in a bad spot as we hold along with them.

what should I put for my sell order?

>>28893617
over 9 thousand

>>28893617
$221

>>28893617
5000

>>28891023
>freak occurence
>Its been building up for a year
>illegal market manipulation to stop the squeezes
>haha there is no fundamentals in this company bro just sell
Its so tiresome reading this shit but i cant blame you, its easy money as a shill atm

>>28893896
half at a 1000 and hold the rest if it goes over 1000

>>28893617
15000

>>28893896
Whatever you do don't set it to exactly $1000 because that's the reddit sell wall. Do $999.

>>28893896
small amount @ enough to cover cost + some profit

rest @ 42,069.69

>>28894011
I'M RICH

>>28893503
>Everyone
Who is everyone? Shoo shoo

>>28894011
OOOOOOOOOOOO

>>28894011
THE NUMBERS

>>28893503
if you believed any of that shit you are an idiot. obviously they are gonna try and jew out of it

THE NUMBERS MASON WHAT DO THEY MEEEEEAN?!?!?!

>>28894011
Looks like I'm skipping 6 figure hell

>>28894444
checked

>>28893617
420

>>28894444
OOOOOOOOOOOO

>>28894444
Checked and based. The shills are so afraid, i bet they don't even get how we remain so calm. Ha ha ha ha ha, get fucked Hedgies.

>closing below the 50 day moving average
this is where the fun begins

>>28894011
>>28894444
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Is there still time to invest into GME? Should I bother or is it too late to get in on the deal?

Realistically IF the squoze squizzed what is the actual potential price is can go to, that is the kind of analysed data that I would like to see, the sell book, where are the biggest sell walls set?

Does anyone have that data?

>>28883387

is this retarded shit still going on, or are you all larping?

>>28894593
They don't understand our unwavering faith in Kek, he guides us time and time again

>>28894863
This retarded shit is still in fact on, and we are also larping.
I am the wizard of wall street, gaze upon my magic digits and TREMBLE, MORTAL.

>>28894720
There's still time for as long as it stays around 50. It'll probably do the same tomorrow all day, cause the soonest it can possibly blow up is in two days (there'll be a court hearing or something like that), while the most likely day it'll happen (but still not certain) is the 18th of the next month, when the XRT etf needs to pay dividends so it'll ask its shares back.

>>28894980
>when the XRT etf needs to pay dividends so it'll ask its shares back.

>>>>implying they wont just jew it down the street again

>>28894980
What if the other shorts start the squeeze while Melvin and Citadel are before congress

>>28895207
OOOOOOOOO

>>28894980
I've thought about selling some days after the hearing to invest in something else and grabbing my bags back when it comes close to that date. but it could very well explode before then.
I'll just chill holding.

>>28895207
>Waits for them to be too busy to stop it
>Shoots it to the moon and beyond
Anon that would be absolutely devilish.

>>28895170

the shortys have already tripled down with synthetic shorts. Billions upon billions are due. I don't think their banks would allow a 4th. At that point the amount owed back would be absurd, possibly tens to hundreds of billions

>>28883576
bruh, I'm not reading all that, just tell me if line go up or not.

>>28895352
>>28895352
If you are too stupid to read, i'm too lazy to explain the obvious math contradictions.

>>28895170
That's why I said it still isn't certain, yeah, but this time there'll be some major visibility issues if they don't give them back
https://www.reddit.com/r/GME/comments/lkrpqz/we_now_have_a_logically_timeline_for_the_squeeze/
I got the date slightly wrong by the way, it's the 19th of next month.

>>28895260
>>28895322
Right? It makes sense for a few different parties involved. DFV with the shit eating grin as it's squeezing and Citadel/Melvin CEO's/representatives supoku-ing inside

>>28895207

only the talking heads go to congress. the main driving force are still at those places

>>28895352
institutions hold more than 100% of the shares, just look at % total shares held, which means the short squeeze is in good hands now.

>>28895481
Well it's virtual I think so no one's going, but Plotkin as well as Citadel CEO are going as is Vlad the impaler

>>28895352
You only need to look at the black line near the middle that says shares owned >200%

>>28893049
>23 posts by this ID.
>Desperately trying to FUD people into selling
CLEAN IT UP HEDGIE

>>28895352
It says the top 10 institutions alone account for over 200% of the shares, figure it out retard

>>28895752
Clean deez nuts and check these digits

>>28895566

well there you have it. Still would be hilarious for them to be in the middle of a zoom call with congress and having to watch it touch off. The look on their faces would be sublime art.

>>28895752
This one's just a shitposter, no shill is that dedicated.

>>28895838
What do you mean? Getting paid more shilling than holding bags

My fellow Anons, no matter how this plays out, let us remember the real squeeze is the frens we made along the way :)

>>28895779
Digit fail.

>>28895788
But Vlad confirmation numbers
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>28895788
Checked those Heil Hitler digits Anon, this is the way

>>28895300
Yeah, it's not worth the risk of missing it.

>>28895970
How about this
1 through 9 - GME crabs indefinitely
Dubs - GME crashes to 20 by March
Trips - GME MOOOOOOOOONS
0 and an alien probes your butthole with empty bags

>>28885482
Then sell it, you paper handed pussy. Use some of it to buy some rope though, you're gonna need it when you see what happens soon.

>>28884762
>>28890367
>>28891903
stop spamming this in every thread you fucking faggot

>>28883186
source for the manga?

>>28895788
"Oh shit it's mooning"
"Yes but don't worry, you have covered your shorts already anyway right?"
"Uhm, yes. Yes, we did."

>>28896216
How about this
1 through 9 - a nigger fucks your boy pucci
Dubs - Your boy pucci gets double teamed
Trips - You get triple teamed
0 and a tranny probes your butthole

>>28896216
How about this:
[Spoiler]You are a faggot bro, go suck 400 dicks.[/Spoiler]
Irrefutable proof of your logic, time to go sell my bags against your undeniable proof.

>>28885823
It's gonna take 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years. It takes as long as it takes. Set a sell limit, shut down your apps and go take your dog for a walk, then hit on your sexy neighbor lady. You'll feel better then.

>>28896382
>>28895788
>>28895207
That would be fucking hilarious

>>28896525
My own autocorrect fucked my spoiler.
Well shit bro.

>>28896484
Are you a faggot? You sound like a faggot

>>28896525
And you're a newfag.
Dubs and kek wills bag holders to lose money.

>>28896216
rollin

>>28896484
>>28896525
kek savage af

>>28896613
>>28896525
The fuck, did they axe spoilers?
How else can I put nice things in black bars to trick fags?
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck.

>>28885876
Adios paperboy. Don't let the GME door hit ya where your mom and dad split ya.

>>28896613
>GME bagholders are newfag tourists
SAY
IT
AINT
SO

>>28896611
Maximum pain. Nothing beats public humiliation.

>>28883702
of course its going lower. $50 for fucking game stop? wtf?

>>28896738
It's not even newfag, that's the 4chan way to spoiler.
Like so, but watch it not work again.

>>28896708
>he's a newfag
>he doesn't even use 4chan x which tells you when trying on a board you've never been to before

>>28894011
>>28894444

checked

>>28896650
You caught me, I'm so gay, a gay nigger ready to hit that boi pucci, bend over whitey.
t. someone who knows Kek will never bless you with digits in this holy place

>>28896863
You're gamburu poster aren't you? The one every bag holder has been looking up to for information and reassurance. And you don't don't understand the basic bitch shit of 4chan.
Truly, these threads are comedy gold. You poor bastards.

>>28896931
Weird, why would you not spoiler on biz?

>>28896863
GME holders and their /biz/dom, ladies and gentlemen. #diamondHands

>>28896382
lmao
>nothing to worry about then old chap
>see you at the country club this Sunday!

>>28897044
>Looking up to
Fucking really? Hilarious.
Nice to know me just saying "Shut up and play cards" really really gets under people like your's skin to the point people talk about me.
I feel honored.

only faggots use 4chan x
chads use vanilla with browser and scan the catalog like a beast disregarding slide threads

SIR I SWEAR WE ARE TRYING BUT THEY ONLY ANSWER WITH "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" AND "STFU SHILL" AND "SUCK MY DICK KIKE".

WE ARE REALLY TRYING BUT THEY JUST WONT STOP AND WONT LISTEN TO US!!!!!

THEY JUST WONT SELL!!!! AND WHATS WORSE! MY TEAM OF NONBINARY WORKERS ARE REALLY HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE RACISM AND THE INSULTS!! SO MUCH THAT I HAVE BEEN FORCED TO LET GO A FEW OF MY WORKERS DUE TO MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES !!!

WE NEED MORE HELP!!! PLEASE PAY FOR SOME FAKE SOURCES SO WE CAN SHILL MORE SAFELY!!!!!

THIS DAMNED BAG HOLDERS!!! WHY WONT THEY SELL!!?????!!!!!!

>>28897194
Why would a /wsb refuge get under my skin? I literally just said it's comedy gold. Embarrassing.

>>28897291
This, i've always catelouged like a boss.

>>28897070
Many board don't allow spoilers because they're often abused to play tricks like you wanted to do just now (not that I mind myself but mods hate fun). Only the boards who really need them because of their discussions dealing with stories (/a/, /v/, /tv/ to name a few) have them, though in the end that amounts to most of the popular boards.

>>28894444
checked and based

>>28896863
>yes I'm from /a/, how can you tell?

>>28897291
>vanilla 4chin UI

enjoy your eye strain, nerd

Thanks bros, my short position is up almost 2 grand. Once this shit plummets to 25 I’m gonna exit. Is anyone else shorting this shit?

>>28897326
Kek

>>28897326
kek

how do shills reconcile the fact they use no name sources with no evidence, wild magical thinking, and go full on "sure that evidence proves me wrong, but you see..." but then turn around and call other people Qtards? surely this level of cognitive dissonance should be lethal

>>28897633
Kind of how holders do the exact same thing. But I'm being paid to shill. You're just...hanging out?

>>28897144
>Y... yes my good man
>See you there my good man

>>28897332
>thinking i'm from wsb
hahahahaha no little tiny man.
I'm an /x/-phile and avid /d/generate who frequents /vg/. Calling me WSB shows how small minded you are and how little stock people need to put into your words to begin with.
But you enjoy this, it's why you keep coming back to shit on people. So, let's keep the game going kid.
Still waiting on that proof of yours, you know. The one where you don't pull out shit logic involving feefees? What, gonna go cry to your shill friends that "One GME Holder" just won't sell?
Please, you are more schizo than i am if you really attribute a concept like "gamburu" to just me and not all kaiji fans.

Hey guys just wanted to say I'm out
I can't stand the pressure and we just can't win against Melvin Capital and their business partners.
We're nothing but a bunch of kids with a hundred bucks and some delusions.
I kneel to the big players, they are true experts.
I take my 90% loss and I'm out of stock market for good.
That's all.
See ya.

>>28897708
where do I apply for a shill job? serious question here: i wanna earn some bucks if I'm on this frog posting board anyway

>>28897773
Thanks for more money babe.
Today has been a good day. I've made good dosh from the seething

>>28897466
>>28897366
>>28897144
>>28897044
>>28896655
>>28896611
>>28895788
>>28895566
>>28895322
>>28895300
>>28894444
>>28894011
>>28891222
>>28889166
>>28887311
>>28885588
>>28885133
>>28885077
>>28884566
>>28883044
to all the shills, behold my ultimate power
N

>>28897965
I

>>28897857
Honestly? Job postings. Not kidding.

>>28897925
And every bit of money to you is money Melvin cannot put into shorts.
Sooooo, yeah, here's 15$ retard.
Every little bit chips away at them, if you want to admit it or not. You make bank and your boss gets fucked.
If you don't see how you are being played in kind you are delusional.

>>28898003
Ce job losing money

>>28898078
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Melvin isn't paying me anything. It's an independent company.

>>28898003
It must be consecutive
N

>>28896316
Dead Dead Demon's Dededede Destruction

how do i become a nigger?

>>28898024
where specifically? What's the official job title even?

>>28898143
That's STILL MONEY NOT IN THEIR COURT BRO, who gives a shit, an ally to them is still losing money they can't just GIVE to melvin.
It's win/win for me, i give you pay so you can keep existing for me to laugh at with your inability to reason an actual argument against buying more GME.
We are all gonna make it, and you don't even need to cooperate to do so.

>>28898214
Start shilling like I am

>>28898248
What're you putting the money in to?

>>28898239
Disinformation jobs, media coordinator, etc. Lots of titles.

>>28898241
By that logic all money in existence is money that could be given to Melvin. You have a strange vendetta about a company that has left this ballpark weeks ago. They aren't the only hedgefund, you know. Which is what I was getting at.

>>28898436
Some into crypto, some into various stocks. I vested into several pharmacy companies that had great vaccine results and that paid off big time.

>>28898442
>all money in existence is money that could be given to Melvin
HOLY SHIT
GET ME A PHONE
WE'RE GOING TO THE SHORTMOON BOYS
DIAMOND PROSTATE EXAMS
HOLD THE GOLFCART

>>28898442
Yeah but 78% shorts owned is still owned by Melvin bro.
And combined with 200% owned by institutions we have a mathematical contradiction and you can't explain it.
And since you are a proud "Shill", i'm going to wager you believe melvin is out as much as you actually believe the narrative you are "paid" to do by your own word.
I'm calling your bluff, and i'm going to raise come tomorrow. Since we are below 50, ever so slightly. Easier to buy in.
You'll be fine with that riiiiight?
I'm just gonna lose mooooney, riiiiiiiiight?
Go on, laugh, buddy!
You guys have the upper hand, right?

>>28897708
I don't get it, doesn't confirming you are a shill defeat the entire purpose of it? they need to check your posts somehow, and you saying that just makes it clear that if we lost they wouldn't be paying you.
so of course that makes me think you are just a troll. very pathetic honestly, at least try to stay in character.

>>28898729
>>28898889
You're right I'm just bored
*honk honk*
See you at 1k a share my dudes!

>>28898560
I rode the vaccine train last year too, went MRNA --> NVAX --> VXRT, very profitable. Can you screen grab a payment to prove you're not LARPing? Maybe use the same image every time you enter the threat and we'll load (you) up?

>>28898453
>>28898453
>>28898453

>shills dont have any effects in this thread
>they need to creat a different one to earn some pennies.

>>28899019
see ya, you are bad at this. kaiji bro is only replying to take money out of hedgies and have fun, his posts are great.

>>28899055
I'm larping fuckboi I want everyone to sell so I can buy their bags and be the only person getting 1k a share
Or maybe I'm a schizo
Or maybe I have aids.
Or maybe I am legit and I'm currently naked and high on opiates.

>>28896382

I have to wonder what a hedgies Guh face would look like
https://youtu.be/d80ahvRSV8E?t=16

>>28899171
Bad at what? Jerking bag holders around because they believe any line of text that comes from 4chan and reddit that reinforces their behavior?