/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>28689080
>make redistribution of wealth impossible
Eth is the queen of crypto and has no supply cap. Vitalik is a communist so he'll just mint more eth and redistribute it.

Lefties are stupid.

Most of them now support huge corporations that would make Marx turn in his grave.

>>28689080
Buy Hoge, it is a commie coin that takes 1% from every reansaction and gives it to everyone and burns another 1%.

they view it as a way to end the usd as world reserve but everything they support can't scale because proof of works' security is derived from competition

>>28689080
Leftists are indeed retarded. Especially when you realize that bitcoin really is the first truly private property that has ever existed. They claim to fight private property and yet support the most private property that has ever existed. It's like Friedman said, if they understood economics they wouldn't be leftists in the first place.

>implying redistribution of wealth is not a meme

>>28689568
Communism is about stopping income inequality among the people who deserve the fruit of their labor first and foremost.

>>28689683
I don't wanna buy unless 1 hour RSI is close to 50.

>don't they realize it gonna make redistribution of wealth impossible and is creating a free market economy that no Government can control?
And what happens after that?

>>28689080
>Why are so many lefties pro crypto?
They aren't.
They're extremely anti-crypto.

Anyone using crypto would be killed in their ideal society.

>>28689741
commies get physically removed

>>28689158
>Vitalik is a communist
what makes you think that?

>>28689640
how do you "value" labor?

>>28689741
>And what happens after that?
everyone get richer that is what capitalism does

>>28689906
>everyone get richer that is what capitalism does
Or would it create an unstable system that'd collapse on itself?

>>28690160
its been more then 200 years and not one capitalist country collapsed because of capitalism

>>28690523
but it wasnt "real capitalism"

>>28689906
They think that providing the building, the tools, the logistics, the accounting, etc is all worthless, and that all the earnings should go to the person restocking the shelves of the supermarket. What they would achieve is that no one would then construct the buildings, make the tools, build the trucks, etc because why do that for free?

>>28689180
Getting the left to stay docile is one of the finest works of opinion engineering in the century.

>>28690523
There was not a single capitalist country. If your country has antitrust laws and shit like that, you are a commie.

commieswines/democrats are lying hypocrats

>>28689180
>Most of them now support huge corporations
who?

Dems aren't leftists btw.

>>28690838
this kek

>>28689158
>eth is king
>gas fees to just trade your money are awful.
Eth is just a weak wrist faggot who got there first. All it takes is someone to deal with the issues to knock him down.

>>28689180
Most lefties are useful idiots that help the movement. They support interventialism without realizing they are pushing one step closer to socialism.

>>28689080
Because it fucks the banks over, that’s pretty much it.
Lots of people in crypto will never have to work dogshit minimum wage ever again. It’s not ideal, but it’s a good compromise.

I wish the dark net markets had regular stores so I could avoid sales tax
Sick of my tax money being wasted

>>28690788
very apt summary of why communism fails in practice

>>28689640
>deserve the fruit of labor.
Who gets to decide that? You and the fag patrol?
All communists do is give everyone an equal slice of pie. Problem is the pie never gets bigger and in fact gets smaller as no one is left to actually push prpgress foward.

>>28689080
Modern lefties support things that undermine real socialism like mass immigration which kills social cohesion & devalues labor via surplus and idpol which kills class consciousness

It's basically an ideological trap for midwits devised by the CIA that entraps them into a soft form of schizophrenia (they call it "interactionalism")

>>28689640
the workers already get the fruit of their labor

>>28691380
One day we will all be buying goods using monero tax free.

>>28691508
>idpol which kills class consciousness
Correct
>Modern lefties support things that undermine real socialism like mass immigration which kills social cohesion
technically no, latinos are open to the idea of socialism, whites on the other hand always opt for fascism and the ones that don't, don't mind latinos.
technically.

>>28692087
>Latinos are open to the idea of socialism
Every single person i know who's lived in a south american socialist country fucking loathes commies like no one else
t. Brazilian

>>28692324
Then why do they want to put lula back in prison?
Maybe they see him as a threat?
What exactly did lula do wrong?

>>28689158
>Vitalik is a communist
retard take

>>28692593
Because he's he leader of the prime corrupt party in the entire country
>What exactly did lula do wrong?
You know what he did, and if you're asking that question it just means you're ready to defend him to the death no matter what I say. seen it all before.
kys, rich commie gringo

>>28689080
modern leftist in most cases is not really socilist but rather fashionist who want to be in cool club

if you look what they support you cannot tell me that they represent working class

>open borders
>censorship
>degeneracy
>anti family policies
>more wars

if you tell me that the left represent any of this in 2008 i would say you are crazy and yet here we are leftism was hijacked longtime ago

>>28691080
They call themselves leftist and wholeheartedly believe they are. Regardless of the original definition they are the leftists now.

>>28692808
plus the official doctrine (the dominant one) of today left is social justice and before you say im leftist and i do not support it let me just say that it does not matter what you support becouse you have zero impact on it in fact you will likely side with these social justice warriors becouse of the culture war that was pushed onto population

Crypto cant be manipulated by a government or corporations (at least for now).

The growth of crypto is purely driven by the people.

You realize there's different sub groups of leftists? Your question doesn't make sense.

>>28690788
You're wrong. What to do with the profits should be a collective decision, it doesn't mean all the profits go to the people restocking the shelves at all; it means the people restocking the shelves have a say in what should be done with the profits. If the workplace needs a lot of re-stockers then that means the labor they are giving the business is an important part of operating the business and so they should get a say.

Providing the logistics, the accounting, "etc" is also labor. What communists don't like is when you have stock holders who do nothing other than providing some capital at some point of the business and that's it. That's literally all they have done, their value is having money. But where does this money originally come from? Most wealth now a days is actually inherited and not earned.

I feel like not only do you fail at recognizing the value of labor but also conflate what is work and what is capital.

People need their needs met, but the way these are met do not necessarily mean you have to have private property. Coops are real and they work.

>>28689080
Lefties are against crypto

>>28689080
Pro crypto leftie here. I want the current wealth redistributed. I think literally free markets would help. Also, monero, so nobody accidentally redistributes my wealth.

>>28690838
>Getting the left to stay docile is one of the finest works of opinion engineering in the century.
>hard truth

>>28691163
>OWS
So what was the goal of occupy wall Street other then stand around complaing?
Demands?
Economic reforms?
Stop taxing the middle class and lower to death?

>>28695630
redpill: all of the wealth billionaires have is just money, not resources
taking their money will not give the working class more resources, it will just raise prices

>>28689640
If you can't make them pay then you don't deserve the pay. Simple ass

bc elon minsk just bought in didnt you here

>>28689080
>don't they realize
stopped right there

They aren't. They're already starting to hate it. The mkultra will tell them bitcoin is bad.

>>28689158
>Eth is the queen of crypto
i think of eth as a over priced escort.

>>28689080
Because they’re hypocrites, not sure how many times we have to go over this

>>28689080
Not necessarily.. Blockchain tech can absolutely facilitate communism. Just because we can trade our fake internet money freely now doesn't mean that's the future for crypto. Hell, it could be a big psyop to get blockcain implemented then BOOM, to the camps we go.

>>28696239
No, you misunderstand me. Money is money. Wealth is assets. Property, precious metals, art, wives, children. I want the wealth redistributed.
Also, it's more about zeroing the balance sheet. Zero for the working class is business as usual, zero for these century long dynasties will be worth a good chuckle.

>>28696911
Im talking about defi n sheet
To stop it they need to turn of every eth node in the world

>>28694184
I'm so tired of listening to these retarded arguments, there are so many holes in them that I have to explain a hundred things, and its still pointless because to believe what this retard is saying you have to be so economically illiterate that it would be easier to explain them to my dog. Keep believing your retarded bullshit, nobody cares.

>>28696918
>I want the wealth redistributed
fancy way of saying that you want to rob

>>28696761
>multi level marketing
Is this a women thing? There’s a lot of feminist redditor types that just hate mlm but I really don’t know any dude that’s doing something equivalent to avon or mary kay. Lots if roasties must be getting burned by corporations taking advantage of them and then cant handle anything risky

>>28691508
This

>>28697116
>I think the "what cunt you dropped out of lottery" is a good system
How WASPy was the cunt you dropped out of anon?

>>28696805
The question is why though. Contradictions dont always mean maliciously misrepresenting your beliefs. A good deal is people that sincerely believe things but are retarded.

>>28689080
Most leftists are social democrats or libertarian leftists/libsocs who actually do support a free market, they just support a regulated one. They also really don't like big banks, so that's another one. Remember, politics is a spectrum, you don't have to be a socialist to be a leftist, nor do you have to be a capitalist to be conservative.

>>28697228
Anyone can get into it, but its mainly shilled to women who feel the need to show that they can make tons of money like their friends who are successful. Sad really, but smart. It plays on the need for keeping up with the Jones kind of vibe.

>>28697338
>How WASPy was the cunt you dropped out of anon?
Not very, considering I was born in a post-Soviet country.

The fact that you even asked that question shows that you're a salty resentful loser, get fucked while everyone enjoys their lives.

>>28692087
Facism is socialism. Just not the one you like.

>>28689640
Labor theory of value is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Imagine beleiving you should get paid
More for putting diamonds in a bucket than putting shit in a bucket.

Its the same fucking job.

>>28690880
I thought communism is defined as stateless.

How does a staless society have antitrust laws?

>>28697543
>Most
most are anti-capitalisms

>they just support a regulated one
again the nature of defi is being unregulated

Leftist thinking is not all about redistributing wealth...

>>28689080
The left is actually FOR power to the people
In their hearts of hearts they're fighting for the people
They just don't understand that the people who have things are people too
They love cryptocurrencies but as soon as it's implemented and hierarchies appear they want to destroy those hierarchies again

>>28689080
I am a leftist and techno anarchist

Crypto will allow for a data powered economy, surpassing the monetary. And enable a resource based economy, where private property will still exist, but not for natural resources, and all is automated, including government (like a political AMM) but only judicial and legislative powers are human.

Check Jacques Fresco Resource Based Economy.

bitcoin is redistribution though. we front ran the institutions.

okay everybody shut up and read this

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/crypto/cypherpunks/may-crypto-manifesto.html

Say thank you anarchists

>>28691080
Antifa and BLM, who in rioting destroyed many small businesses and allowed large corporations to take over their market share. Same with lockdowns. AOC and the rest of those cunts, as well as Antifa, are all useful idiots who allow corporatism to flourish.

>>28691080
Leftist anarchists are funded and backed by huge corporations. They think they hate them while doing their dirty work. I don't need to understand or explain what the megacorps see, I just need to see that they support it financially and by running defense.

>>28694184
>the guy who stocks shelves should also help make business decisions
If he knew how to run a business then why is he fucking stocking shelves? Why is it a good thing that he has control over business decisions?

>>28694184
>If the workplace needs a lot of re-stockers then that means the labor they are giving the business is an important part of operating the business and so they should get a say
So the retards will have a say and that's a good thing?

>>28698160
When the leftists say "redistribution" they mean taking away stuff from others, not being smart and investing early.

>>28694184
>they should get a say.
No. They should be paid for their labor.

>is creating a free market economy that no Government can control?
And currency that the government can't tax, you know what happens after that.

There is like a million different flavors of leftism like distros of Linux and the same for the right it's so stupid to group them into 1, like when people complain about how all right wingers are Nat Zees. There is plenty of leftist ideologies that support crypto inherently

>>28697783
Only of your job is filling a bucket, not if your job is to mine diamonds
>Amerimutt

>>28691080
Dems aren't lefties? Bro the only real lefties live on communes in Colorado or Oregon. Everybody else, including your Democratic Socialists, are fake as fuck because they refuse to give up the amenities of capitalism while shrieking about everyone else or "the system." They're fucking losers dude.

>>28698186
Also what this guy said. Pay attention to this guy and stop playing sports games with your ideologies.

>>28697743
Fascism is what socialism looks like when Jews don’t control it.

In the USSR, despite mustering the collective labor of hundreds of millions of people by force in a natural resource-rich empire 9 million square miles in size and a dozen countries in scope:

>Only 2% owned a color tv
>Only 4% owned a car
>The average household in the USSR was 25% the size of that of Seattle Washington (the city with the smallest average apartment size in the US-themselves roughly 2/3rds the size of the largest found in Tallahassee, Florida)
>The Soviet diet was 44% carbohydrates and starch, and had 1/3rd of the protein of the US diet
>More doctors than the UK but somehow had healthcare so poor the life expectancy trended downwards from the mid 60s to the mid 80s
>You could not be legally "unemployed"
>You could not easily choose your occupation or leave your occupation for another
>Being over 20 minutes late to work was a criminal offense resulting in a 25% pay cut for up to six months

Other notable facts
>41% of Germany's industrial production capacity was dismantled and reassembled in Russia after the war
>26,000 engineers, scientists, aviation experts and their dependents were similarly transplanted to Russia
>Stalin admitted to Eric Johnston of the US Chamber of Commerce that two-thirds of Russia's industrial capability both during and prior to the war was due to the assistance of the United States (the remaining third being largely a Western European import)
>Fred Koch built or designed the majority of the Soviet oil refineries; oil and related products account for something like 60% of Russia's current day exports and 20-30% of their entire current day economy
>Without the NEP and extralegal economic activity the USSR would have likely continued down the pattern of repeated self-induced starvation; Stalin formally abolishing the NEP in 1928 precipitated the Soviet Famine of 1932
>An informal economy, the "Second Economy" existed throughout the USSR's existence and is estimated to represent between 15-30% of the USSR's economic activity

>>28700388
How can one learn about this "second economy"

I don't give a shit about your retarded politics just tell me what shitcoins to buy

>>28700588
>>28700388
The vast majority of industrialization in the USSR actually came from western capitalists who the USSR allowed in the country to industrialize.
The USSR was a fake economy.

https://ia601203.us.archive.org/5/items/Parts13/55520165-1-Western-Technology-and-Soviet-Economic-Development-1917-1930-1968.pdf
https://ia801203.us.archive.org/5/items/Parts13/55437228-2-Western-Technology-and-Soviet-Economic-Development-1930-1945-1971.pdf
https://ia801203.us.archive.org/5/items/Parts13/55435162-3-Western-Technology-and-Soviet-Economic-Development-1945-1965-1973.pdf


https://www.npr.org/transcripts/463565987
https://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/history-and-heritage/dutch_americans/frederick-chase-koch/

>>28689180
>proclaim leftism, support giant monopolies
aka. HackerNews.

>>28689080
That's not true. You can actually build coins on top of these protocols that automatically redistribute wealth, just like how they can automatically grow your wealth with staking.
The real question is if the socialists realize they can actually do this by having the machines enforce the policy instead of having to rely on an official to not be corrupt. But then again, maybe the corrupt officials were features instead of bugs lol.

>>28689080
Good luck securing Bitcoin with mining when the penalty for mining is death.

Good luck security Ethereum with PoS when the value of Ethereum goes to zero as crypto transactions are punishable with death.

You forget that crypto only has value if other people think it has value. If accepting crypto will get you killed, there's no way to increase demand for crypto.

>>28689080
You moron, crypto IS the means towards redistribution of wealth. Marx would’ve been in favour of crypto just as he voted in favour of free trade- you don’t overcome capitalism by doing away with money but by accelerating the contradictions inherent to it, which is what crypto does, it has laid bare all of the current problems with late stage capitalism/neoliberalism and offered us away to break out of that dead end. Not all leftists are in favour of centralised government, leftist libertarianism is a real thing.

>>28701023
Nobody would use those coins voluntarily.

>>28689080
Brainlet thread

>>28701206
None of the predictions of Marx came true lmao. Remember that the working class was supposed to get poorer and poorer? Turns out workers live better in market economies than in commie shitholes.

>crypto IS the means towards redistribution of wealth
>>28699095

>>28701023
I'm having a hard time conceptualizing how the blockchain could be used to redistribute wealth.
I know it can be used for voting and hospitals, but redistributing wealth?
How?

>>28696918
You give a good explanation for lefties using crypto.
But we would have a new aristocracy anyway, of early adopters, with middle adopters becoming a new middle class. So you cant have commie utopia, you will just depose the current overlords, something righties also want to do.
Its natural do have classes, anon. Some people are just too stupid to become rich. So yes, there will be still the cunt lottery, even if we dont like it. What crypto does is to give a opportunity to revert this lottery, at least at this time we live in. Cant say how it will be for future generations, though.
We born too late for colonialism, and too early for space exploration. But we born right in time for crypto.

>>28701501
marxists now will just claim that marx didn't actually mean that

but it doesn't make sense because what the fuck is the point of the socialist revolution then?
why would it even happen? I thought it was inevitable

Marx was also wrong about the falling rate of profit.

>>28701023
>The real question is if the socialists realize they can actually do this
I think you know the answer to this anon
if Karl Marx didn't talk about smart contracts lefties are going to be against it

>>28701970
explain how you could use blockchain to redistribute wealth.
So okay I pay taxes, the taxes go to the blockchain and the blockchain gives it to someone else?
Okay I guess that could work for welfare I guess...
hmmmmm

>>28701206
>muh inherent contradictions
>muh "late stage" capitalism

Lenin died kneeling to capitalism in the form of the NEP, and China and Vietnam have abandoned communism outright while still pearl clutching to its petty tyrannies because theyd be thrown in prison otherwise.

>>28701206
Marx wanted a society with no money
>Marx would’ve been in favor of crypto
Neck yourself

>>28702132
Huh uh uh duhhhhh.... muhhhh duhhhh uh uh

https://graymirror.substack.com/p/socialism-and-capitalism-are-both

maybe it will cure some commie (no offense anons) i know many of you are not stupid

>>28698249
Everyone knows corporations were being held in check and not solidifying into monopolies before.... a few small businesses like wendys were burned down in 2020?

>>28689180
>Lefties support huge corporations

this thread is embarrassing. please don't talk about politics ever again.

always have a good kek at incel rightoids

>>28689441
Friedman was a faggot anyways

>>28701501
>None of the predictions of Marx came true lmao
Except he literally prophesied that intersectionality would be the death of working-class radical politics by fragmenting the class base and inhibiting class consciousness forever. Read a book for once.

>when leftists say "redistribution"
I'm a leftist and I'm literally telling you that crypto fits that definition. If you want to invent some other random strawman to attack, you're more than welcome to do so.

>>28702159
Literally proving my point about marx voting in favour of free trade, thanks.

>>28702185
Marx was in favour of anything that dissolve pre-existing social relations, and specifically in his time that dissolving force was the free market (which he WAS in favour of). He would've felt just the same about crypto as a transitional stage towards fully fledged communism.

>>28702595
you need to go back

>>28702667
these *incels* have more money than you will ever have

why are leftists unable to argue?

>>28701279
I absolutely agree. Was more pointing out that its possible to actually attempt socialism with minimal corruption via blockchain tech, not that anyone would be insane enough to voluntarily opt in

>>28701560
You'd add in some redistribution protocol that updates the ledger to automatically shuffle the wealth around as you see fit. The decentralized nodes must come to a consensus regarding the new state of the ledger, keeping corruptible officials out of the mix entirely and ensuring the roots of the experiment remain as healthy as possible. Additionally, to prevent wealth from escaping the state, you'd probably want to limit auto redistribution *to* whitelisted wallets in the network (those associated with current citizens) while still redistributing *from* all wallets in the network.
That said, even though it could probably work, you'd be hard pressed to find people who'd volunteer as the other anon mentioned.
Also no more freebies. Go read a book, the process for redistribution within a hypothetical blockchain is straightforward as fuck. Learn about staking.

>>28702667
Literally sucking big boobas right now and marx was a faggot retard as was lenin as was musselini

there's nothing in crypto that contradicts socialism. in fact I think crypto will be an integral part of future socialist societies.

>>28689080
As an anarcho-lib, you could say the same about the stupid fucking Nazis who support crypto because they're paranoid schizos. Crypto is a way to make money. Nothing more, nothing less. It isn't a political statement. Sorry sweetie.

How can you redistribute the wealth if the private keys get lost or stolen?

>>28703085
kek
perfect example
have fun getting my crypto or stopping me from using it

>>28697783
I read Capital when I was 16 and picked that out immediately. How does a drunk retarded kid figure this out and these college educated urbanites can’t?
Labor value is derived from the value of the final product, not from the labor itself. I can beat a car with a hammer for 8 hours and the product of my labor is worth less than when I started. How the fuck does anyone not immediately pick that up? We need a fucking eugenics program.

>>28703085
lol how exacly? do you ever know how btc works?

>>28703454
in socialism we need a way ‘to appropriate collectively the means of monetary production’, to paraphrase Marx, and to replace ‘the government of persons by the administration of things’, as Engels advocated

crypto is the way forward for socialism you dummy

>>28702439
moldbug is pretty based

>>28702932
>except he literally was right about that one issue we weren't even talking about. Read a book for once.
His main prophecy turned out to be a false. Workers in free market economies are not becoming more and more poor. Actually, the higher is the index of economic freedom the wealthier average joe is.

The fact that Marx was a retard accelerationist propagandizing for something that he thought was "bad" doesn't mean he was pro free markets.

>>28703502
because only socially necessary labor is what counts smarty pants.

>>28697954
>Not ALL.
But most of it is.

>>28703570
moldbug is a midwit hack only taken seriously by pseuds and grifters

>>28703502
lol you either didn't read Capital or you're too low IQ. embarrasing.

>>28703593
and who decides what is "socially necessary"?

>>28703749
Under capitalism the market does
Under socialism society does

>>28689080
commies get the rope

>>28696228
You miss the point, it didn't achieve anything but it united people from different backgrounds, race, gender, sexuality or whatever in opposition to the people who are actually oppressing them. Today they argue with each other about gender pronouns and micro transgression on twitter.

>>28703749
you realize it's all explained in Capital, right? stop asking dumb questions and go read the book

>>28703828
>Under socialism society does
Explain the exact steps. Please be as specific as possible.

>midwit hack only taken seriously by pseuds and grifters
>sucking marx's cock in all of your posts
the irony

>>28689080

>being lefty
>not being a self-serving hypocrite whose stated beliefs actively contradict their lifestyle choices

Pick one and only one, nigger.

>>28703943
Surely you can explain it if you've read it. I can explain you how the market works.

>>28703570
he is very good and entertaining writer and he is very good when it comes to analyzing but his solution is kinda retarded

>>28704043
for (You) btw
>>28703642

>>28704094
totally agree, mostly just a good critic. his prescriptions are his main weak-point

>>28702932
Yeah, Marx was whatever you want him to be in your imagination, just like every other petite bourgeoise tyrant trust fund kid that proclaimed themselves the stewards of his ideas in the past.

>>28703828
the market is the people you fucking pleb

Anarchy is a far left ideology. Leftists believe that powerful abstract entities like corporations and governments should not be able to control your life. If you libertarian types are so caught up in identity politics that you can't realize that we have a common enemy, then you're not very self aware.

>>28703982
Well if we're talking about democratic socialism there'd be some voting as to what people want to get an idea but their would have to be economic planning ofcourse with the aid of computers.
Like you can't democratically vote on how much steel should be produced to make a bridge or something I guess. But you could could vote on making a bridge.

>>28696239
>taking their money will not give the working class more resources, it will just raise prices
BASED velocity of money

Why is supporting crypto inherently right leaning and anti-leftist?

>>28689080
it doesn't matter, what matters is that they don't reproduce, which will happen, please impregnate all women you can and with luck leftism will be removed from the gene pool in 100 years or so

>>28701205
satoshi will bomb shithole governments that punish crypto with death when 1 bitcoin is worth 1 million

>>28703556
> replace ‘the government of persons by the administration of things’
ill make it easy for you
crypto -> only you can administer your private property (btc, eth, NFTs, etc)
basedcialisms (by your definition) -> "administration of things" (property)

if you don't see the contradiction you might be retarded

>>28704474
what??
onions-cialisms became basedcialisms ????

(test: basedcialisms)

>>28689180
Baizuo are very concerned with questions such as

>is sucking your own dick gay?
>can babies be racist?
>are transracials and racial fluid people born that way or is it cultural?
>are the Irish responsible for the holocaust and slavery?
>should an otherkin have the right to defecate in public parks?
>why shouldn't the minwage be a million dollars?

>>28702932
>stage towards fully fledged communism.
So a fairy tale?

Who gives a shit about what this guy believed?
You people literally believe in utopian delusions, it's basically a religion.

>>28704382
It's incredible most people don't understand it.

>>28704474
what do you think "replacing the government of persons by the administration of things"? that's literally the goal of crypto lol

>>28704431
Because leftists drive anyone right of center off of the platforms they infiltrate

>>28704431
It's a Libertarian/Austrian economics thing.

>>28704769
what do you think "[...]" is?*

>>28704296
>because only socially necessary labor is what counts
>because only average labor is what counts
Sorry, I don't get it. What labor is "average"?

>>28704379
That's not very exact lmao. How does that works? Do we vote every year on what new shit we want to get built? What if someone wants to innovate but can't convince the society to vote for it? So many problems with that shit and you know it

>>28689080
1) it makes it easier, actually cause everything are public
2) who cares?