/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>28561792
IM satoshi whats up guys

Jesus christ give it up, he's been doing this shit for ages now. The guy is already filthy rich, he has enough money to fuck around pulling bullshit like this it doesn't mean anything.

>>28561792
You may not like Craig Wright, but he signed with Satoshi’s keys to Gavin Andresen with a freshly unboxed laptop and did similar signings for Jon Matonis, Ian Grigg, Stefan Matthews and Calvin Ayre - none of which would be easy to fool, and none of which have retracted their claims.

>>28561917
Bullshit, I'm Satoshi.

>>28562432
This exactly what that one Indian guy said

this nigga satoshi.

If anti-BSV people don't believe Craig is Satoshi why aren't they excited that he is about to perjure himself in court?

>>28561792
Because he keeps saying he is even though he isn't, is why he's going to court.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Craig_Wright
https://privacypros.io/stop-craig-wright/

>>28561792
we are in the craig wright is satoshi part of the cycle

sell everything

>>28561792
and if the real satoshi was alive why hasnt he come forward to shame Craig? I think him and Hal were in on it together and he knows with him gone he can take full credit.

>>28562432
>blindly follow

>>28562926
Hal wasn't Satoshi.
He helped Satoshi along with Phil Wilson and Dave Kleiman but years after Craig Started writing the paper, according to Phil Wilson.

>>28562985
If Craig is a scammer why does he have 200 employees and over 1000 bitcoin patents?

>>28562432
deboonked to death.

Kokichi Mikimoto

>>28563234
Wrong 100% incorrect.
The direct successor of Satoshi Nakamoto as lead developer on the Bitcoin project was Gavin Andresen.
Gavin Andersen explicitly said that Craig Wright signed a message using the private key from Block #1 of Bitcoin. Time was spent on a careful cryptographic verification of messages signed with keys that only Satoshi should possess.
So who do we trust? You or the lead developer of Bitcoin ?
https://youtu.be/gTPcm4zCJIg?t=6

>>28563203
>patents

>>28561792
you retards still waiting for a judge to crown faketoshi?

>>28563350
So how come everything is anecdotal? It would be absolutely trivial to sign a message proving ownership and publicly post it. Why won't he?

>>28563408
What is N-Chain
nChain, which holds over 1,000 patent applications,
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nchain-acquires-leading-development-outfit-190000644.html

>>28562985
I read the whitepaper, then compared the protocol to the Bitcoin protocol. Imagine my shock when I learned that BSV is actually Bitcoin. I follow the code. I'm 100% in BSV, the fake versions can fuck off and die, and they will.

>>28562926
>and if the real satoshi was alive why hasnt he come forward
because he never intended to? from day 0 he kept his identity a secret.

>>28561792
we are all satoshi

>>28561792
Remember his last lawsuit where he claimed to own 150 wallets that then signed a message calling him a fraud?
Because I do

This guy is a massive faggot

why doesnt he just move one fucking bitcoin with the message i am craig wright?
instead he pulls a huge show over years

>>28563565
the amount of bullshit make-believe mixed with pure cope...
amazing.

>>28563536
He has signed to certain people, and he also notes that it doesn't show ownership. His coins related to the court case are also in a trust, it would be bad to tamper with them.

>2021 still pretending he is satoshi

>>28563536
because he can't. he used a bogus script to fool gavin. but he can't pull that off publicly.

>>28563653
LOL, good times. NGL, been pretty cozy not hearing about Satoshi Stiffamoto all the fucking time on /biz/.

>>28563677
If you can't read, I can't help you.

>>28561792
Have you ever heard him speak? Mental illness

>>28563536
Because holding the keys does not prove ownership.
If I have your car keys, it does not prove I own you car.
On top of that many people can hold the same keys.
He does not want to set a precedent that keys = ownership because then all you have to do is steal someones keys and they are yours.
Let's say he did sign for the general public. They would just say that he stole the keys or cracked the password. It wouldn't prove anything.
So first he needs to prove that he is Satoshi and then he can sign.
On top of that if he did sign, that automatically would bankrupt thousands of people and make him the richest man on planet earth. It would put his life and the lives of his children in danger. he has to be strategic about it. He has to prove in a court of law that he is who he says he is.

He owned 17% (that we know about) of all Bitcoin in June of 2011.
https://youtu.be/IUjoeQmfjRw?t=138

Time will tell. I for one believe he is Satoshi.

how is everyone not tired of this shit. Fuck bcash. fuck bsv. Christ.

>>28563653
>Remember his last lawsuit where he claimed to own 150 wallets that then signed a message calling him a fraud?
>Because I do
He didn't claim those addresses. Shadders made the list for the court with an algorithm to simplify things.

>>28563726
he never signed to anyone. but he did bamboozle a few. fortunately he has been caught forging signatures just as many times.

>it would be bad to tamper with them.
i have some sad news for you.
there have been messages signed and transactions made from addresses craig claimed to belong to the "sacred" "untouchable" ""trust"" multiple times.

>>28563614
right, so why not make a forum post like he did before or post some kind of proof here?

>>28563968
bitcoin is simple. you own what you can spend. legality which is a local concern doesn't matter for a global system.

>>28561792
I can say without a doubt that Sir Craig Wright is not Saroshi!!! How do i know this you might ask? Well, very simply, i am the real Satoshi Nakamoto.

>>28564066
satoshi's email and forum p2pfoundation account was known to be compromised for a very long time. it wouldn't prove shit anyhow as a site admin can do whatever the fuck he wants.

>>28561792

Because he's a mentally ill scammer

>>28564026
>there have been messages signed and transactions made from addresses craig claimed to belong to the "sacred" "untouchable" ""trust"" multiple times.
This is incorrect. None of the Tulip trust addresses have been signed.

If you're interested in a neutral, balanced view on whether Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, watch this YouTube video on the subject. It's an hour long and goes through everything with a fine tooth comb.
The guy that made it became a BSV proponent after 3 years of trying to debunk that Craig is Satoshi.
https://youtu.be/_yuyrxGJ-FU

>>28564026
Fortunately who cares what he does because the protocol is the protocol and BSV is Bitcoin. You are arguing against the very defiintion of Bitcion if you think otherwise. So stay stiffed, jealous bastard.

>>28564158
Not how law works.

>a crazy amount
I can't take anyone who talks like an overstimulated reddit tard serious

>>28564388
>None of the Tulip trust addresses have been signed.
yep they did. submitted to court by craig.

>>28564454
it is how bitcoin works. state law can't tell a trustless permissionless global system shit. you bootlicker cunts are shit out of luck.

i thought sir gay was satoshu

>>28564497
>yep they did. submitted to court by craig.
100% Incorrect. The court asked for all the addresses of the Bitcoin he currently owned.
Shadders made the list for the court with an algorithm to simplify things as it was many 1000s of addresses.

The addresses in the tulip trust where not part of those addresses. Only the addresses which the algorithm came back as being currently owned by Craig.

>>28564420
Actually Bitcoin is Bitcoin, retard

>>28564578
Keep thinking that. A court order can compel miners to add a court ordered adjustment to a ledger.

>>28564721
Correct, Bitcoin is Bitcoin, which is a peer to peer cash system implemented under the ticker BSV.

>>28564794
miners all around the world would laugh at your court order of which country exactly? uk? us? rofl.

>>28564794
>A court order can compel miners to add a court ordered adjustment to a ledger.
Now this would be a dangerous precedent!
Good fucking luck.

>>28563565
if you try firing up the original bitcoin core client, it's going to sync up to just one of the multiple blockchains
... and it's not the Sanjay Vishnu one

>>28564794
btw you really have no clue how bitcoin works. miners are completely unable to adjust the ledger once history is made it stays that way. at least on bitcoin.

>>28564996
i would be curious about how sv cucks imagine this would look like from a technical point of view.

wat a sad fuk

>>28565012
key word: core
get fucked and stay fucked

>>28564721
BTC is in no way shape or form Bitcoin.
Segwit stripped the signatures and lightning gives a third party control over a transaction.

"What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust, allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third party. Transactions that are computationally impractical to reverse would protect sellers from fraud, and routine escrow mechanisms could easily be implemented to protect buyers. In this paper, we propose a solution to the double-spending problem using a peer-to-peer distributed timestamp server to generate computational proof of the chronological order of transactions"
--Satoshi Nakamoto (Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System)

All this along with not raising the block size all equal it IS not Bitcoin.

>>28565012
Would it even sync up to any of them? They've all made significant changes

>>28565012
Vishnu Vision glow in the dark..

>>28565030
Of course they can. They just add a transaction... Happens all the time with paper ledgers.

>>28563968
>Because holding the keys does not prove ownership.
>If I have your car keys, it does not prove I own you car.
Do you even know how fucking bitcoin works? You own the keys, you own the coins. That's it.

>>28562432
Craig and Calvin are both pedos.

>>28563968
>They would just say that he stole the keys or cracked the password.
No one has ever successfully cracked the private keys of an arbitrary wallet. That would bring down bitcoin as a whole.

Nick Szabo is satoshi.

>>28565205
More than 51% of them would have to agree to add that specific transaction.

stiff

>>28565382
I don't disagree. The point is that the community would not take it as proof.

>>28565205
>Of course they can. They just add a transaction...
nobody would accept that as a legal block if they either try to move coins without a proper signature or try to spend already spent inputs.
the block would be invalid and life would go on without anyone noticing the attempt.

>>28565474
Government and courts in general can alter Bitcoin. A court order can force a transaction to be invalidated. A court order can change the nature of the blockchain and require that the UTXO set is updated. he reality here is that a court action taken in the US with reciprocal enforcement through Chinese courts would result in a requirement for over 80% of the global miners and a larger number of wallets and exchanges to enforce a change.

Code is not law. Law is law.

>>28565474
even that is not enough. you can't break the rules with 51% you can only do a denial of service attack. which is the opposite of including transaction.

>>28565438
this

>>28565507
That's right. Craig producing signatures would not be absolute proof that the addresses and balances are his. However, Craig failing to produce signatures would be absolute proof that they aren't his.

>>28565129
yes, core, the software that was programmed by Satoshi
creg couldn't code his way out of a wet paper bag
https://toshitimes.com/craig-wright-proves-he-can-code-by-copy-pasting-hello-world-program/

>>28561792
all he has to do is sign the damn wallet or move some coins. It would take a few minutes and he would undeniably prove it to the world. Instead he decide to go with court cases, bonded couriers, slander, drama, sperging, attacking others, etc etc. Sounds like a narcissistic nutcase to me.

>>28563203
I bet you think Einstein came up with everything he published too right?

>>28565759
and that's why he has to prove it to a court and not to you and me.

>>28565872
The signatures would at least give him a leg to stand on. Currently he has no such leg.

>>28565134
the biggest problem with sv tards is when they try to read the whitepaper they ever get past the first few lines and completely ignore the bulk of the document.

>>28565918
His contention is that he has the keys. The court will decide.

>>28566027
There is a very easy way for him to prove to the whole world that he has the keys. If he wants to claim SOLE OWNERSHIP of the keys then he can settle that in the courts. What exactly would be the risk to him to produce some signatures?

>>28565981
Hand Waving isn't proof.

Is lightning a third party ? Is mastercard a third party ?
Segwit strips the signature and only a segwit compliant miner can add it back.
That means we have to "TRUST" them. Bitcoin is supposed to be trustless.

You know what's crazy I just realized, BSV isn't traded by any major exchange. Well at least out of what I consider the big ones (Coinbase / Binance)

Like... that's weird right? Binance especially, they carry all kinds of shit coins, but for some reason BSV was not legit? Like, BCH is carried by both of them, why would a fork of BCH not be carried.. it's not like they can't.

Anyone have a take on this?

>>28565761
Craig was the architect of the paper, he needed help with the code. So what? The fact remains that BSV is the implementation of Bitcoin as it was written in the whitepaper, and it needed to undo some garbage because after craig offered the word the protocol, parasites molested it and changed it so that they could stifle it and profit off of the name using private side chains like lightning. This is all historical fact, instead of speculating, maybe educate yourself.

>>28563350
>Gavin Andersen explicitly said that Craig Wright signed a message using the private key from Block #1 of Bitcoin. Time was spent on a careful cryptographic verification of messages signed with keys that only Satoshi should possess.

Whole point of using the blockchain is to promote transparency. If Craig really was Satoshi, he'd sign a transaction for everyone to see. Don't be daft.

Satoshi was a shared account and the "Satoshi" identity comes from the multiple people that shared it. Craig was one of them.

>>28561792
All that nigger has to do is show he has the genesis block.

>>28566300
bullshit all of it.
>Segwit strips the signature
especially that

>>28566244
>What exactly would be the risk to him to produce some signatures?
Here is his reasoning
https://craigwright.net/blog/law-regulation/keys-identity/

He want's the court to decide. He will have to sign for the courts.

>>28566429
not really profitable for megacorp to own something that will 100% go to zero in the near future. so smaller exchanges make money from fees and convert to btc obvs

>>28562493
Isnt there like billions of satoshis now?

>>28566590
>He want's the court to decide.
how convenient for someone who can't sign with a known satoshi key but would like to avoid being thrown out of calvins helicopter...

>>28561792
LOL he's a shill and just wants to be able to sell movie/story rights. The real Nakamoto could prove it very easily by simply moving some original coins around

>>28561792
Elon is Satoshi

>>28566655
It's in the top 20 market cap... since 2018.
It's a real coin, and it's currently up in value.
What would happen to this shitcoin if coinbase was forced to list it?
>https://coingeek.com/will-coinbase-list-bsv/

Also, why do you believe it's going to $0? It's been a while since I looked into the BTC vs BCH argument, so I know nothing about BSV basically.

>>28566571
The blocks looked valid at the time we saw it, TRUST us.

>>28566590
Look, it's really simple. If Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, then he has the keys. If he does not have the keys, then he is not Satoshi Nakamoto. Craig is trying to trick people by focusing on the fact that having the keys does not necessarily mean he is Satoshi Nakamoto. This is true, but at this point there is not a shred of evidence to indicate the mere POSSIBILITY that Craig is Satoshi Nakamoto.

>>28561792
NO I AM SATOSHI

>>28562432
bitcoin was invented by the United States government DARPA in coordination with the NSA. Of course they will never come out and say it or detail the people or corporate partners that were involved, but they did

>>28566975
>Look, it's really simple. If Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, then he has the keys. If he does not have the keys, then he is not Satoshi Nakamoto.
If the keys are in trust and take more than one signature then what ? Ever heard of multi-sig ?
What if the other person is dead and his estate owns the signatures now ?
What if the arrangement between the trustee and Craig is up for debate because the trustee is not there to give his side ?

You goto court and the court decides.. See how that works ?

If anyone is Satoshi, all they have to do is send a transaction from the Satoshi Nakamoto wallet that holds a fuckto btc saying "it's me".
Until that happens, everything else is a waste of time.

>>28567046
I'd believe this. Or craig wright. 100% do not believe that any Japanese person would come up with the name Satoshi nakamoto.

>>28566959
i honestly feel really bad for craig and i feel hes genuinely going through some mental break. im not trying to be biasd but i cant help but just dislike most forks of bitcoin as i see them as just stalling a marketcap and potential of the devs ability to upgrade a code. anyhow its all really complicated and craig knows that but hes not doing this for anyone's benifit but his own because at the end of the day were all human and selfish as fuck on the inside.

>jUsT wAiT fOr ThE bOnDeD cOuRiEr

>>28566959
>>28567301
and to reiterate i do believe criag will be btfo in court and most people will just use bsv less and less. and eventually it will fade out into obscurity in nearly 10 years or so. bsv is still a cryptocurrency and anyone can see value of certain aspects of anything. i dont really mind it much but again to me it feels like a wrong in what crypto tries to be right.

>>28567301
that answered... none of my questions.

Craig Wright = the nicest guy in BitCoin:

•Didn premine
•Invented BitCoin
•Raised ZERO
Money bag
to do it
•Bootstrapped majority of 1st 2 yrs of mining wen #btc
=$0.00
•Saving protocol
•Researching fwd every day
•Ridding scammers
•Nice pleasant conversationalist
•Teaches others

>>28566590
When I see this I will believe cr*ig wr*ght until then he is a bullshitter pure and simple.
>>28567151
How convenient that he starts this court case and suddenly now "can't" just push a signature through the chain after years and years of us suffering his shit.

>>28567292
>https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm
read this paper and then decide whether it's some retard poser or it was a government project that they then abandoned

The truth about who is behind Blockstream and Segwit. As the saying goes follow the money.
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@adambalm/the-truth-about-who-is-behind-blockstream-and-segwit-as-the-saying-goes-follow-the-money

People forgot about this. Everyone changed their tune about Big Blocks in 2017.

>>28567564
sorry bro ive been smoking crack recently so my brain is fucked and you can disregard my opinion but it is what it is

>>28567151
The whole point of btc is to own your money.
If he gave the keys to whoever, he is entitled to nothing.

funny how everyones perception about bitcoin changes whenever you spits knowledge. for instance, everyone thought bitcoin was some darknet market/anon money when in fact its the total opposite

>>28567046
It was actually a random cs engineer in Belgium. He's not selling until he has like a trillion dollars and he'll become a giant philanthropist.

Satoshi Nakamoto here. How going? If you have any questions ask away.

>>28567952
If the keys are in a trust and the trustee dies and doesn't name a successor then the courts decide.
Happens everyday on planet earth. It's happening in the Kleinman case. If Craig Wright singed with those keys then he would be legally screwed.

>>28566972
no need to trust on bitcoin
>btc: don't trust, verify!
>bch: trust, but verify! (weird ideas about preconsensus for 0-conf)
>bsv: trust, don't verify! (let the miners handle the blockchain you can ask them about your tx)
you got you shit confused some bad

>>28565749
He literally is. For anons that don't know who he is - learn a bit about him. I truly believe he's Satoshi, there is so much evidence from early on - something funny as well is he read English law for a degree and I've seen him on twitter talking about English idioms. Satoshi used English sayings.

Keys please.

>>28568193
you argument is invalid
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>>28568225
total hogwash all of it. BTC=Segwit. Segwit=You have to trust.
Once the Tx is verified, the signature is removed from that Tx and is no longer attached to it, so that information is no longer there, but it should be there (its one of the main rules of Bitcoin system, which BTC is no more)

Craig White is an attention whore, he clearly would have used his own name from the beginning, the person who wrote the whitepaper of bitcoin wanted to keep in the shadows, Craig even made the mistake on video saying he read the bitcoin paper , then said well i wrote it. clearly it wasn't him .............but i do believe he was part of the group that brought it all together .....he's still an attention whore

>>28561792
No way some socially awkward Australian weaboo computer nerd with diagnosed aspergers could be Satoshi. Satoshi has to be someone cool like my favorite youtube eceleb I watch.

>>28568395
there is no need to trust anyone in bitcoin.
if you run an antiquated pre-segwit client then you can't enforce segwit ruleset. but less than 1% of the nodes fall into the category and nobody is stopping them from updating.

basically you only don't fully validate bitcoin transactions if you choose not to.

>>28568288
No one is arguing that he can't sign publicly if he wants. If he does it is illegal.
Think about this..
He signs. BTC drops tremendously.
Now the Klienman's can sue him to death because his signing made what they believe they are entitled to drop to nothing.

The trust owns the keys. Possession of a copy does not make you the owner.
Craig is arguing that the keys are in trust FOR HIM and that Kleinman was only the trustee and not a part owner of the keys.

>>28562985
if all that can be seen is deceit and illusions, than a blind men will have the clearest vision of them all.

>>28562798
this, it's over bros

>>28568395
>Once the Tx is verified, the signature is removed from that Tx and is no longer attached to it
who fed you this bullshit btw?
segwit sigscripts are in the extension blocks also part of the bitcoin blockchain and fully synced and stored by all nodes by default.

>>28568570
The signature is removed.. sorry

>>28568668
FYI, signature "being there" means jack shit, take a receipt you get from the store, imagine it has your digital signature on it, then as the guy on the store exit checks it, rips the signature off, and throws them into a bin, with rest of the signatures ripped off into the same bin... so just because the signatures are still "there" in the bin, they are no longer tied to the receipt, and its exactly the same with SegWit... and if you read the Bitcoin white paper second section... and not listen to clowns/frauds, you would read that the "COIN" is defined as CHAIN OF DIGITAL SIGNATURES, meaning every UTXO (which is what "coin" is, must have this digital signature tied to it, in another words, be part of the Tx...

>>28568597
>He signs. BTC drops tremendously.
oh no the man threatening to destroy bitcoin every week is afraid of destroying bitcoin

forget the bullshit trust! if craig doesn't want to sign with a bitcoin address he can still sign with satoshis pgp key. this is why we know he is a fucking fraud.

>>28568668
Watch the kucoin wash bots faggots we are pushing this bitch up. Once we get it to $400 the short covering should do the rest

>>28568680
nope. i'm telling you you have no clue about bitcoin and this is showcasing it beautifully. no standard segwit tx is valid without the signature. nor does any cor client accept them without the signature verification.

>>28568784
>satoshis pgp key
this key was never used, at least not publicly known

>>28561792
because he's a retarded boomer

>>28561792
As Dr Craig S Wright proves himself to be Satoshi Nakamoto in court on Feb 16 2021. The insider group of BSV investors will simultaneously initiate a short squeeze on BSV. With BSV short interest at an all time high, it is projected to go up by 500% within just a few hours. You have been warned.

>>28568915
1000%*

>>28568864
you are just talking rubbish... the CONNECTION of digital signature to the Tx was lost, that information is lost, so just keep quiet and move on, you can try to word it any way you want, the narrative you are pushing is simply not correct.

>>28568597
>He signs. BTC drops tremendously.
Why would this happen?

>>28568772
stop sperging out and accept defeat with some dignity man... this is pathetic.

bitcoin was never a chain of digital signatures. bitcoins were utxos since day 0. otxos that were spendable by a sigscript executing to true. that is how bitcoin protocol always worked.

>>28568193
If the trustee dies without giving the keys, you're fucked. The court can say whatever they want, the bytes won't appear out of thin air.
If you have the keys, the money is yours. If you don't, it's not.

>>28562720
Because no one really cares at this point. Everytime he goes to court he finds a way to stall & delay. Its pointless to keep up with. Nothing ever happens

>>28568965
>the CONNECTION of digital signature to the Tx was lost, that information is lost
no it's not. you are talking some stupid shit.

>>28563350
I trust the faceless Anon whom I have never met.

>>28568984
>Why would this happen?
Because that would mean he can now sell them all
1.1 million bitcoin in the trust PLUS all the bitcoin that he personally already owns.

>>28569012
>If the trustee dies without giving the keys, you're fucked. The court can say whatever they want, the bytes won't appear out of thin air.
>If you have the keys, the money is yours. If you don't, it's not.
That's not what this is about. he has the keys. He can't USE the keys without proving ownership.
The ownership is tied up be the Trustee's family claiming that the trustee is also part owner.

>>28568225

reminder that BTC is an NSA psy-op to track criminals on behalf of the DOJ/FBI

>>28565382
That's not the point. Just because you stole someone's car doesn't mean you not only own their car, but assume their identity to boot.

>>28569063
uh huh
https://coingeek.com/what-the-fork-happened-to-bitcoin/

>>28561792
I don't get it. Why doesn't Craig Steven Wright just go on Twitter and say I'm Satoshi to prove it I'm going to send all Satoshi's BTC to 19urDWfGeMptnEiubGykRaMuqv87kDspBM which would be pretty sick because I have the private key to that one

you know now that i think about it even if csq were sato, the LAST thing he would want is to tank btc because it would hurt his pockets and according to his mantra, everything is incentivized

>>28569087
If I remember correctly, there was an incident where the private keys of 145 addresses holding a tonne of BTC were used to sign a message. The price of BTC went up that day.

You people can do whatever you like, but I'd get a suicide stack of BSV.
You never know how this will go. 1000 patents makes me think it's not gonna go the way most people think.
Or side with Blockstream and their 3 patents....
“The Bitcoin Core developers” also named themselves the license holders for the bitcoin protocol"
Better hope they are right...

BREAKING: Photograph of Craig Steven Wright providing evidence that he is Satoshi Nakamoto to the court, 2021 (colourized)

>>28567916
I can't tell.. is this bullish on bsv?

>>28569620
what do you think about my thesis? >>28569429

>>28569530
Yes a court asked Wright to provide the addresses of every Bitcoin he owned. It was a shit ton of addresses.
So what happened is Steve Shadders made a list for the court with an algorithm to simplify things.
There were addresses in there that Wright didn't own. It was a mistake. Wright obviously owns a lot of Bitcoin. that can not be contested.
He also has sold very very little of any of it ever.

>>28563561
what does the N stand for

>>28569763
Yes it sounds correct. Look Craig Wright has been portrayed as evil. Nothing could be further from the truth.
He doesn't want to see people lose their life savings. At the same time he is hounded day and night and he gets pissed off and says shit. Maybe when he is drunk, I dunno. The fact remains that he is accessible to everyone and spend an inordinate amount of time teaching people about Bitcoin.

He obviously knows his shit
I always wonder why haters never bring this up
https://youtu.be/LdvQTwjVmrE?t=1006

Craig Wright smacked down every developer on planet earth.
He told everyone that Bitcoin is Turing Complete at a conference. Look at the reaction.
He's nuts, he's a lunatic.
This went on for months on Twitter and blogs and forums. Day in and day out.
https://chescosteve.blogspot.com/2016/05/craig-wright-satoshi-and-turing.html

and yet it turns out he was 100% correct.
https://twitter.com/sinoTrinity/status/1355577117619044352 (embed)

and people don't understand WHY that is important. People don't understand ALOT about Dr. Wright.

>>28561917
FPBP
>>28562493
FPBP

>>28569370
>coingeek
into the garbage can it goes... just read the bip and check out the github for what actually happens!

>>28570269
yeah you and everyone else will learn soon

https://patents.google.com/patent/EP3257191B1/en

>>28570077
>He told everyone that Bitcoin is Turing Complete at a conference.
it's not tho, all turing machines even the simplest known ones can do loops. bitcoin script can't do loops. also all turing machines by definition provably can emulate all others.

>>28569787
That's not the point. The point is that 7,250 BTC mined in 2009 "became liquid" when their holder signed the message and BTC didn't drop even a bit. Not only that, but you're saying that Craig does have the keys but just doesn't have the legal right to use them unless he wins the court case. Are you saying that if the judge rules in his favour, BTC will crash to zero? If so, why aren't people selling already when in theory he could rugpull at any time and flee, or just to get out early due to the massive risk associated with a single court decision?

>>28570077
yea i understand that but all this posturing from him like "im gonna take down btc" and "its goingto zero" he doesnt actually believe or want that.

Pajeets shiling BSV again....I smell a pump cooming.

>>28570506
pffeh

>>28569157
> He can't USE the keys without proving ownership
He can, he doesn't want to because due to his own idiocy he doesn't "legally own" the keys apparently, which sounds like an absolutely retarded thing to do for the creator of btc.

>>28569787
>>28570526
Also, because simply signing a message with the keys doesn't prove legal ownership, if the price of BTC is only what it currently is because people trust Craig not to illegally rugpull, why would that affect the price? Signing the message doesn't mean he can sell, since he doesn't own the coins yet, right?

>>28570526
>7250 BTC
>Crash
Lmao.

>>28570732
I'm not saying the market should have crashed, I'm saying that if less than 1000x that would crash the market to zero then it should have at least dipped.

>>28570568
yes that is correct. Alot of people he likes own BTC as well.

>>28563836
Gavin must suck at programming then, huh?

>>28570526
>why aren't people selling already when in theory he could rugpull at any time and flee, or just to get out early due to the massive risk associated with a single court decision?
Because they don't know. They only know number go up

>>28565232
no you dimwit, you have posession of the keys, you have posession of the coins.....posession is 9/10th of the law, but not 10/10.

>>28570941
he was conned by a con artist end of story

>>28570924
ok so what does that mean for bsv?

>>28561792
Daily reminder that Wright, acording to Wright himself is
>A wolrd-class level concert pianist
>A Michelin-guide level chef
>A secret agent for a clandestine gov org
>A field agent for an spy agency
>Single handedly responsible for the arrest of Paul LeRoux
>Injured by two bullets while trying to rescue a woman in venezuela
>Personal friend of Assange
>Secret founder of Mt. Gox
>Pro Gold
>Absolute enemy of Assange
>Anti gold
>The one that broke into Mt. Gox
And so on and so on.

>>28571087
It would mean that BSV would take control of the name Bitcoin.
That along with 1000 Bitcoin blockchain patents and a Blockchain that can do ANYTHING that any other chain can do and more, would mean that anyone owning BSV would become instantly part of a very small club.

>>28571084
A con man.. Guess he conned all these patents too hurr de durr

https://patents.google.com/?inventor=craig+steven+WRIGHT&oq=inventor:(craig+steven+WRIGHT)

>>28571226
Also he has a cluster of dissapering PhDs.
>Triple PhD in 2013
>Double PhD in 2016
>Single PhD in 2019
AS of right, now nobody is calling him doctor.

>>28571335
yea but you say that like it would be a flip of a switch which it absolutely wont be and to add to that if there was some universal ruling that mandated a switch the entire crypto market would tank taking csw's net worth along with it which I KNOW he wont do

>>28570989
Funny how all these mental gymnastics add up to "everyone is wrong and stupid except me".

>>28571439
That's right. he has actually talked alot about that. He's not trying to destroy crypto. He is trying to take control of what he invented and was taken over by Blockstream.

Read this. It lays out what he believes.
https://coingeek.com/what-the-fork-happened-to-bitcoin/

>>28566429
the claim is that csw is so toxic that he has to be a victim of cancel culture...The real reason? They are scared...the claim of bsv is that no other crypto is necessary and binance would be as relevaant as mtgox was before they listed btc to trade and not only magic the gathering cards....all cryptos would implode and binance would stop earning trading fees....BNB would also go to <0.01.

>>28571084
But if the BTC developer is conned, wouldn't that make him a bad developer and by extension BTC is shit? 7 WHOLE TRANSACTIONS PER SECOND.

DIGITAL GOLD (shit)

>>28571536
and that's why the general public talks about muh bitcoin stocks.

>>28571413
And amusingly he's also a billionaire. Is this a cautionary tale of how you can bullshit your way into fabulous wealth or what?

>>28563675
he doesn't have to move any coin. He just has to sign a message with the keys for an early wallet.

>>28571563
Wait until people understand this
https://tdxp.app/market/BSV-BTC

>>28566429
bsv not being listed on those exchanges can be linked to ONE MAN. Roger ver. He is an investor in most of the big crypto companies and he is very anti-craig.

>>28571367
>patents
They are exactly a dozen patents registered in different continents.
Also the oldest one is from 2016, 7 years after the origin block.
Also, his co author in all the patents is Stephane Savanah, who holds 736 blockchain patents. 709 more patents than CSW

>>28561792
I dont understand why the identity of the bitcoin dev is a secret.
We know who made everything else.
Seems kinda sus to me.
Like a really long con.

>>28571649
Like in a, I don't know, con?

>>28571714
and the price of BTC drops and the Klienman's win the case because he made the price of bitcoin drop which shows he is not treating the court case with respect and could also be illegal. Shit isn't as simple as just sign.

>>28571766
redpill me on roger
he's the BCH shill isn't he?

>>28572016
my theory is roger is and always has been a small blocker. i think he knew about craig way before anyone else. hes invested in most of the early crypto businesses and was a major investor in ripple. hes just a slimy fuck. dont like him.

>>28571783
N-Chain has over 1000 patents.
https://patents.google.com/?assignee=nchain&oq=nchain

>>28571899
>>28571714
>kleinmans

Imagine unironically supporting jews. Now I know BTC is a scam.

I you believe that craig wright is satoshi then you should put everything you own into bsv. Whatever happens to you, you'll have earned it.

>>28571579
>wouldn't that make him a bad developer and by extension BTC is shit?
well some say gavin was useless merge pusher. i say he did a lot for bitcoin. p2sh is the single most important improvement on the bitcoin protocol (delegated the concern of specifying the unlock script to the receiver) that opened up so many possibilities and later had segwit and taproot built on it. it's gavins big achievement.

>>28572250
Dude read this please. It is WAY worse than that.
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@adambalm/the-truth-about-who-is-behind-blockstream-and-segwit-as-the-saying-goes-follow-the-money

>>28571367
patents are bought with money. they prove nothing and not even necessarily viable or enforceable.

>>28572244
>over 1000 patents.
And?
GE has millions of patents but that doesn't mean that Edison invented the lightbulb

>>28572484
Cool so show us all the Blockstream patents. I mean they are owned by one of the richest companies on planet earth. They should have money to buy muh patents.. LMAO..

GRASPING
At STRAWS

>>28572369
This. Satoshi was very clear on his posts and emails on keeping his identity a secret. Now Craig Wright wants us to believe that he was secretive at first and then started to yell at everyone who would listen that he was the inventor of BTC.
Wright is pathetic at best, murderous at worst.

>>28572587
why bother with patents in open source development and distributed global consensus?
come on... you can't be THAT stupid.
it's a waste of money unless you plan to patent troll late comer tech companies. which is fine i really don't mind they deserve it, it's just pointless and meaningless.

>>28563350
Gavin Andresen has been scammed by both Craig Wright AND Blockstream. Sorry, this proves nothing.

>>28573030
Prove it

Remember when Satoshi wanted a ridiculous character to be the logo of BTC and he said if it wasn't reported in all media he would disappear forever, then did when no one took him seriously?
I cant find these posts or the character any more, was that real?

Funny that the guy could have been some true autist that got sour over it

>>28572766
Wright was outed by Wired and Gizmodo
https://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/83450.html

>>28572369
This. Still beta of Craig to prove he's Satoshi. If he truly is then he's a dead man. I don't think Satoshi is one guy though. Remember that American Jap the MSM thought was Satoshi? Who was his neighbor?

>>28572376
Developers are the weakest link.

>>28573062
what's there to prove? is Gavin still in charge?

>>28573439
Prove that he scammed not only Gavin Andersson but also Ian Grigg, Stefan Matthews and Calvin Ayre - none of which would be easy to fool, and none of which have retracted their claims.

>>28573525
so, first I have to believe it because Gavin Andresen (Satoshi's appointee) "saw it". Now that I stablished Gavin Andresen got taken for a ride more than once you move the goalpost. GO ALL IN ON BSV FAGGOT! DO IT!

>>28573828
How is it moving the goalpost? Gavin wasn't the only person he signed for.
So let's go down your garden path. the lead developer of Bitcoin - Gavin is an idiot and got trolled according to you. Ok fine..

What about Ian Grigg, Stefan Matthews and Calvin Ayre ?
Everyone is an idiot then ? Cause reasons ?

>>28573098
It looked like an elongated donkey kong with red nose and was orange, does anyone remember this?

>>28573957
See? This is the thing, you have to constantly appeal to trust in a 3rd party. I bet there's tamper proof cryptographic way to find out for sure :)

>>28567292
>100% do not believe that any Japanese person would come up with the name Satoshi nakamoto
have you not seen a single anime?

>>28574378
Ira Kleiman’s legal team claims Craig Wright already has access to the encrypted file at the heart of the case.
1.1 MILLION Bitcoin

>>28574428
>Ira Kleiman’s legal team claims
So now we need to trust the claims of the opposing lawyers? This is priceless.

>>28574731
Yes that is how legal procedure works.
Kleinman missed the mediation deadline as well.

>>28573062
might as well you prove that he hasn't

Craig doesn't even understand the meaning behind the SN pseudonym. He invented nothing and is an embarrassment to all Australians.

Ah yes, CSW, the man who claimed to read his own whitepaper.

>>28575260
Well Gavin never retracted his claim even after the entire crypto world has attacked him for years about it.
Every single day.

So that's my proof. Let's hear your proof about how the lead developer of Bitcoin was hoodwinked on an unopened laptop with a freshly downloaded and crc checked version of Electrum with a message of his choosing in front of cameras. I'm willing to learn from you.
Let's hear it.

>>28562432
“There are places in the private proving session where I could have been fooled, where soul could have switched out the computer software that was being used or, perhaps, the laptop that was delivered was not a brand-new laptop, and it had been tampered with in some way. I was also jet lagged. And, again, I was not upstairsspace of this is going to prove to the world that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto. I was upstairs space of, you know, this will prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto. And my doubts arise because the proof that was conferred to me is very different from the pseudo proof that was later conferred to the world.”
- Gavin Andresen

>>28575594
Is that a retraction or an appeasing of the relentless badgering and bullying he has gotten every single day for years ?
Maybe I don't understand the word retraction. Wanna clear that up for me ?

>>28571734
I want referral commissions on tdxp....twetch already has it. imagine % of every shit smeone does.... tobin tax jut for me for all the dimwits that I could invite in.....

>>28575709
Cope more Craig, have fun with losing your court case.

>>28573153
Wired is fucking cancer. I cancelled my subscription to them in 2013 when they burned all their mined bitcoin:
https://www.wired.com/2013/05/butterfly-live/
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1BYsmmrrfTQ1qm7KcrSLxnX7SaKQREPYFP

These motherfuckers were lucky enough to receive a free BFL ASIC miner that thousands of people had paid for 2 years in advance, and the wired (((journalists))) spat in everyone's faces and burned the coins. They're dogshit.

>>28566453
>trust me anon, he's an amazing driver, he just needs help turning the steering wheel
ask me how I know you've never been involved in any form of software design ever

>>28576515
2001 calling

>>28564578
Based

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>>28571226
LOL, get the FUD right. He hates Assange and DPR.

>>28577709
Yeap

>>28561792
craig was a spy.
he just stole satoshi's identity after hal finney croaked.

>>28565129
how the fuck will anyone run a node when the chain grows 2GB every 10 min?

>>28561792
Buy my fucking bags, creg

>>28578500
you invest a few millions into a data center. d'uh. Nodes are miners. Your little raspy "node" is nothing.

>>28572016
Roger is a libertarian ancap. He fully believes in only contractual law whereas Craig believes in traditional law. This differing of ideologies is what drove a rift between the two of them.

>>28579359
>Roger is a libertarian ancap.
Based Rodger BTFO statist bootlickers.

>>28579292
if you think nodes are just for miners you never read the white paper.
Not your node, not your rules.

Quick rundown?

>>28579573
>Nodes express their acceptance of the block by working on creating the next block in the
chain, using the hash of the accepted block as the previous hash.

If it doesn't create blocks it's not a node

>>28579573
<--Satoshi

>>28570018
I

>>28561792
i know who Satoshi is and is not Craig Wright

>>28561917
fpbp

>>28564000
Because CSW is correct.

>>28565438
cringe.