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bumpity bump.

>>279103
>/adv/

>>279103
I've had a GF of four years break up with me when I asked her to sign it.

Thing is, I'm thankful for it. If I girl honestly loves you, she won't care about the money/value of you. If she cares only about money, she will take disguit to it and either break up or not do it.

Either way, go for it. Your money is more valuable than a gold digger.

>>279103
Seeing how I've watched my mother go through two divorces, my grandmother went through three, and many of my friends and family have gotten divorced or have divorced parents, I would say that it makes sense to have a prenup. I think just showing up with a document and telling her to sign or hit the bricks might not go over too well, people in general don't like being forced into things or being given ultimatums.

If I were you, I'd talk it out with her. Explain to her that just about everyone who gets divorced doesn't get married with divorce in mind, and that when divorce happens that emotions can flair and people do things they wouldn't normally do. Be willing to make compromise, she might have something reasonable that she would like to include in the agreement. Try to make it sound like something that isn't just benefitting you but her as well.

>>279103
Do you have a business? If so then use that as an excuse as investors don't like business that can be destroyed in a divorce. It's not you that distrust her, it's everyone else.

Don't be a fool, wrap your tool.

>>279103
Go for it, but be sure to use a good lawyer to write it up. They aren't completely bulletproof.

Do you live in burgerland? 50% of marriages end in divorce.

That's the same fucking odds as flipping a coin. >>279137 is right, if she really loves you, it shouldn't make a difference.

Don't be greedy and exclude her from getting any of your wealth.

Offer her something in the event of a divorce i.e. 100k or so.

Also i dont know about burgerland but in most countries a 7 year relationship where the parties live together is a de facto relationship and is treated similiar to divorce in terms of settlement.

So you're better off with a pre-nup anyway.

Why the fuck would you ever want to get married? There is no good reason to unless you are religious.

>>279332
This. Why are you thinking of getting married, OP? There may be some tax benefits, but that depends on the state. It's also better for kids, but only if you want 'em.

>>279103
she was with you for two years before your success. don’t see why she wouldn’t sign it if she really loves you

You should always get a prenup. If a girl won't go along with it, then she isn't worth marrying in the first place.

Fuck. I left this page up and my girl woke up and saw it.

things just got messy

>>279431

Tell her that it's like getting life insurance.

>>279431
It shouldn't be messy. I talked to my girl about it. Talked to her about everything before marrying her.

I asked her for the prenup, don't deal with custody they throw it out. She wants to write a book, so I said all assets she makes in the future as an author is protected for her, and my investments are protected assets as well.

Also I told her I was getting a paternity test for every child, not because I didn't trust her, but hospitals do mix up babies from time to time also get that shit framed! I think it's great that we live in an era of science where men can know 100% as much as a woman they love. It's like my getting to carrying the baby term etc.

When talking to women appeals to emotion are 80% of what you need to do.

>>279431
fake and gay, and if not you're gay and stupid.

My grandparents also had a prenup for totally different reasons. They used it to make sure that if the company in my granddad's name went under their house wouldn't be touched by the banks by having that in my grandmothers name, or something along those lines. Thing is there can be other reasons for which you might be able to get your gf to listen to, might look into that.

>>279470

Using a LLC or similar seems like a less messy solution to that problem.

If she breaks up with you over a pre-nup then she was planning on doing it in the future anyhow and you fucked up her life plan. Girls love having life plans and using for X amount of time to fulfill certain needs is typically part of it.

>>279103

Go for it, however be sure that the prenup protects your interest, not screw her over.

What I mean is be sure that the prenup will still give you some obligation to offer financial help in case you have children (that would also soften the blow of the prenup).

Other than that, if she does break up with you over a prenup then you've dodged a bullet. You might love her now, but there's no guarantee how things will develop in the next five years, never mind the next fifteen.

>>279477
Not to mention if the prenup leads to a fight, it'll be a good idea how fights over major things will go (and you will have fights, especially when money is concerned)

Does she?
>Use sex as leverage?
>Not budge or offer any sort of compromise?
>Threaten to 'tell your friends and family what a scumbag you are'?
>Bring it up at inappropriate times?

These are red flags

>>279103
>I've become pretty successful over these past 3 years, my net worth is 750k

Pre-nup is a must, she will clean you out.

Hal;f of all marriages end in divorce

>pre-nups
>not just for goyim

Prenups aren't worth the paper they are printed on, unless your girl is really, really stupid.

But if an actual living, breathing human woman wants to be with your ugly, rich ass then guess what--she ain't stupid.

Who was that divorce lawyer here who said that like 80% of prenups get thrown out or something ridiculous like that? All that tells me is make sure you get a good lawyer to write one

>>280869
Ok on second thought, not anywhere near that high, but still a fair amount

I think you shouldn't get married at all if divorce is an option in the back of your mind. If it's not a surely forever thing, then what's the difference between marriage and dating?

On the financial side of things, too, it saves you the cost of a wedding (several thousand dollars).

There's no easy way to do this. Even if she really loves you, the idea that you're thinking about what will happen if you get divorced will be very upsetting for her. Women are like that.

Ultimately you want a prenup to protect your own interests. There's very little benefit for her in most cases (in fact, she'll probably be worse off for signing one).

You can go the authoritative route ("you have to agree to this if you want to marry me"), but that can cause issues on its own.

I don't know, dude. You definitely need one, though.
>that 50% divorce rate

>>280882
half of all marriages end in divorce, probably more. i'm sure you've had a gf. do you go out with her, knowing you'll split up at some point? do you have health insurance? after all, you're a healthy guy. do you have car/homeowner's insurance? etc etc.

>>280869

I heard he shaved his head

>>279103
Just say that your parents/friends/grandparents/family/job wont give you whatever if you don't have a prenup

Grill here.

> requiring her to sign a prenup would be a deal breaker for her
Absolutely not. I would do the same. It's not so much that "50% of marriages end in Divorce" as it is that the marriage court system is ABSOLUTELY fucked, completely tramples on yours and her rights. You two could sue each other back and forth for years while your lawyers rack up tens of thousands of dollars. Really, torrent Divorce Corp and watch it later, if she doesn't understand.

Just explain it not as a "back up plan" but as a way you can both agree on how not to ruin each other's lives so you can concentrate on what matters.

I think most people are just woefully unaware of what an extremely horrible process divorce can be.

Refuse her sex until she signs.

>>279103
If she isn't willing to sign a pre-nup then that's a good sign she isn't in it for love.

Offer to pay her $375k to break up with you and never speak with you again. If she refuses, have her sign the prenup. If she accepts, leave the bitch (and don't pay her). If she's sounding greedy, like "you wouldn't really give me it", leave her.

>>279103
prenups are generally useless.

if a divorce happens, and it probably will because of statistics, there's a high chance the judge will throw out the prenup because "it's unfair" for your ex-wife to walk away with nothing. This happens all the time. Don't believe me? Ask a lawyer who specializes in divorce, he's probably seen it happen a thousand times.

All a prenup does is make your fiancee angry because you don't think your marriage is going to be like the ending to The Little Mermaid like she does.

>1362 + 652
>getting married.

Y U do dis???

Are you religious??? If not, then why the fuck get married?

>>281082
Less tax; can share benefits.

>>281083
IMO, that doesn't outweigh the risks.

>>279431
>I love her to death, but don't want a messy divorce if anything goes sour.

If your GF got upset over that, you should reconsider getting married. You're asking a reasonable question and you love her. Any rational, mature adult would not be upset by your post.

>>281111
>Any rational, mature adult would not be upset by your post.
>wiman

>>281124
>>>/r9k/

>>279481

Great advice, thanks m8

Not op but ive been sexing this girl but shes kinda how you describe. Been contemplating moving in with her and committing long term but im unsure

>>279103

they probably get thrown out in your country (I don't mean when you try to create them, I mean when your dumb gf is your wife and tries to divorce you for all of your money)

>>279103
Prenups are not legally binding and can be overruled by the judge on a whim.

There's no winning. When you marry a woman she takes your money and there's is nothing you can do about it.

Consider putting some of your assets in your mothers name (the woman woman you should be able to trust). Otherwise, do your best to get a pre-nup, stats don't lie and 50% of married couples end up getting divorced. If you're going to be single, it's better not to be poor and single.

>>281172
You don't ever want to be with someone who sees sex as a tool or considers your reputation a bargaining chip. This is immaturity and not a good foundation for a relationship. The high school mentality some people never grow out of. Its no different than guys who are perpetually stuck in the douchebag phase. Neither make good partners in long term relationships because when real problems happen they don't know how to handle them so they fall back on the same old bag of tricks they'd use on old partners/their parents.

People do change and some will surprise you but they're exceptions. Tread carefully with a girl like that. As twisted as this might sound, test her. Cancel an arrangement unexpectedly due to work or whatever. How does she handle it? Are you in for a 3 hour long fight or the silent treatment? Or does she understand and expresses disappointment but is more interested in rescheduling than 'making you pay for it'? How people handle small, irrelevant issues is a very good indication how they will handle real problems.

I think what a lot of guys fail to comprehend is that surprising a fiance with an already-written prenup document to sign is absolutely tactless. Of course you'd have an argument - You went over her head in planning out (at length) something that affects both of your futures significantly, you made up the terms (likely to benefit you and you alone) without appealing to her sense of fairness first, and did not seek any collaboration on the matter. Suppose she has assets or things she'd like to protect too. That does not reflect well on you as a partner in making decisions together. It goes both ways.

Prenups get tossed in court all the time. If you really want to protect your 750k, don't get married. If you're not going to have children, really don't get married.

Would you put money into a stock with a fifty percent chance of losing half of your income, with a zero percent chance of increasing your net income?

>>281460
I don't think the goal is to slap a prenup down and be "sign or get out". But some women flip a shit if you even suggest you get it done. Mostly because the courts are so in favor of the woman in the relationship, you're fucking with her exit strategy.

>LOL, have money and status.
>Getting married
M8, you can pretty much have any bitch you want and you wanna commit? Women are hypergamous. She "loves you" for your value and not for what you are. As soon as you would lost your money, she would be gone. Keep that in your mind. If you still insist on getting married do prenup and get a good lawyer to give you advice about holes in prenup. If I were in your place I would just fuck girls until my balls fall of.

>>279328
Depends some states have common law marriage law and some don't.

>>279332
This.

>>279346
>tax benefits
Actually there isn't so long as both you and your partner have some of income and you file itemized deductions you can get a much greater benefit from filing separately.


OP my advice is make sure you don't live in a state with common law marriage laws and don't marry her. Prenups are ignored by judges all the time, apparently most judges think muh feels supersede a legal contract. The only way a prenup might help is if she thinks she will get nothing then she will be much less likely to initiate a divorce in the first place.

If you have a child with a girl you are not married to do you still get screwed?

>>281597
Yes. Child support will take half your paycheck.

>>280930

fuck this documentary is scary

http://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/22uxr1/divorce_corp_2014_a_shocking_expos%C3%A9_that_shines/

>>279103
I have a prenuptial agreement signed with the wife. Just make sure you do it in a 100% legal manner. I'll tell you what we had to do to make ours legally admissible.

>We each had to hire our own attorneys
>Her attorney drafted document, mine revised it, this went on for awhile
>Finally come to an agreement
>Have an official notary there when we sign the documents
>Video/Audio statements where we understand our rights
>???
>Profit

If any girl, I repeat ANY GIRL has a problem with a prenuptial agreement then she plans on turning into a leech after marriage or worse. My girlfriend of 4 years before I met my wife refused to even talk about a prenupt (wasn't planning on marrying her anyways) and I knew it was because she was only pretending to be interested in Academia to meet a guy.

>>279137
No, it shows you have little faith in the marriage succeeding and have trust issues.

>>281628
Bullshit. It guarantees the only reason you're getting married is because of love and not fiscal benefit.

Anybody, man or woman, that refuses to sign a prenupt is not worth your time. Because in their head the run the scenario "If this doesn't work out I'll get nothing".

>>281628
Ding ding ding
If you're not willing to marry someone for the rest of your life, don't.
/thread

>>281628

good goyim

>>281631
Bullshit. Love has nothing to do with it. A prenup gaurantees assets are divided in a respectable manner in a format agreeable to both parties should the marriage end in divorce.

It's a common practice among parties who understand the nuances of property and assets, and should never be a one sided affair.

If you can't have a basic discussion about assets in the first place, you really don't have any business getting married.

>>279103
if youre really in this situation, why get married? its ONLY a license. if she starts to bug you about it, then agree but only with a prenup. otherwise why fuck up a good thing? just carry on like you have for the last 5 years.

>>281632

I completely agree with you but that is a very simplified viewpoint.

The problem is that OP may be ready to stay with her for life, but he can't guarantee she will always feel the same way. He can't guarantee that she won't gain 200lbs and stop bathing in the future. He can't guarantee that she

People change and all he has to go on right now is the kind of person he currently sees her as.

Statistically, he has better odds just putting it all on red

>>281727
Yes but I use the "love" argument to counter the asinine "you think this is going to end" talk. But again, any woman/man against a prenuptial agreement isn't ready for marriage.

>>281736
>It's only a license
Coming from somebody who's married, it's much more than that. It's a declaration. You wouldn't call swearing an oath just a "verbal contract". There's so much more to it.

>>281742
>You wouldn't call swearing an oath just a "verbal contract"
yes, i would.

you dont need a license to declare you commitment or love for someone. its nonsense really.

>>281743
It carries a certain connotation but if that's what you believe then continue on patron!

>you don't need a license to declare your commitment or love for someone
I also don't need a contract when forming a corporation. Just a handshake and a promise. Because all that licensing stuff is just nonsense really.

But our positions come down to personal belief. My biased towards marriage is obvious since I am married. But OP needs help with Prenupt talk. So unless you have anything to contribute, please gtfo

>>281748
>So unless you have anything to contribute, please gtfo
i have, you've just dragged your biased emotion into it.

if your drivers license was void today, would you go on a road trip?

if your fishing license was void today, would you go on a fishing trip?

if your hunting license was void today, would you go on a hunting trip?

if your marriage license was void today, would you give your wife the middle finger and move out?

not only is it just a license, its probably the most useless one you can obtain.

>>281757
>not only is it just a license, its probably the most useless one you can obtain.

I'll take "tax breaks to help raise a family" for 1000$ Alex

>>281767
the cost of a wedding, divorce, and her probably taking half your shit will offset that little tax break nicely.

>>281792
>Costs of a wedding
Was around 450K

>Divorce
Wouldn't take long. She's an attorney.

>Her probably taking half your shit
What is prenupt?

So I shouldn't have married my wife because you're insecure about your ability to maintain a relationship?

>>281767
>Wipe
Showing pics of his car and his watch in 3..2...1...

>>281798
>you're insecure about your ability to maintain a relationship?
>implications
i've been with the same person for 8 years.

>>281767
off topic but I'm assuming you test drove other luxury sedans besides the s class. If so which ones?

Specially I'd like to know your opinions on the a8 or ls 450 is you test drove those. Plus any BMW you drove.

thanks in advance mate

>>281805
Good for you. We have different ideas on how to commit and maintain relationships. I told you this debate will never be settled because

>lol opinions

>>281798
Pretty sure Wipe would get half her shit.

>>281807
>Test drover 7 series BMW
Didn't like it, plus this shitbag Indian guy I know drives one and fuck him.

>A8
Exterior is complete shit for the price.

>LS 450
Didn't even go to the Lexus dealership. I wanted a statement car. Would buy a Lexus SUV for when family visits and they need to borrow a car that can handle luggage.

Test drove a Maserati Ghibli. Loved it but not ready to commit. Will try again in 2 years when lease expires. That way I don't have to be the test dummy for a 1st year model.

>>281810
If you saw my prenupt you would laugh. Just because what you said is completely off base.

Why would anyone marry?

Marriage is basically life insurance for women. Are men really this stupid?

>>281822
>Marriage is basically life insurance for women. Are men really this stupid?

Marry an educated woman. Its your fault if you marry some shitbag who decides her Lib Arts degree was a waste of time and wants to be a stay at home leech.

Congratulations, OP.

>don't want a messy divorce if anything goes sour
This is the angle you'll need to take. You may also bring up ideas like it will be a chance to practice planning ahead, problem solving, etc. Don't try to draft the agreement yourself, hire an attorney (or even better a law professor) do the actual drafting.

>>281866
>Dont try to draft the agreement yourself
That's a good way to have a judge throw out your prenupt. Do you actually have any experience with this or are you talking out of your ass?

>>279103
>I love her to death, but don't want a messy divorce if anything goes sour.
She doesn't love you

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1qb7mi/she_doesnt_love_you/

>>281876

Are you almost done NEETing this board up?

Every thread you post in is either about your parent's cars or you just flat out insulting people while providing no actual argument.

Hiring an attorney is the absolute best thing he can do. He just has to tell the attorney what he specifically wants included and not included. As long as he doesn't get a cookie cutter contract that screws the female over, the prenup is much less likely to be thrown out once the lawyer drafts it.

>>281885
That's exactly what I said you retard. Lrn2comprehend. Don't draft the agreement yourself, have an attorney do it. Read my previous post you moron.

>>281810
she's get way more than half his shit

>getting married
>2007
>+7

good work OP you've almost got 100 replies to this shit bait

>>279137
That is ironic. I know girls that are so obsessed with money, they would still marry with a pre-nup just so they can have the money now.

>>281989
What's wrong with getting married?

>>281994
What isn't wrong with getting married? Do you really think a pathetic tax cut is worth fucking yourself over for in the future? I'm not saying divorce is a 100% thing but in this day and age the smallest things can set a women off and become spiteful towards you. If you don't have your shit down pat you could be setting yourself up for a very bad future. I don't even know shit about the bar but don't most prenups get thrown out in court anyway?

>>282009

Not getting married doesn't mean anything either.

People have been ordered to pay alimony from common law marriages.

So unless you're willing to change up girlfriends every 3 years, you can't involve yourself with women at all.

>>282009
you have a twisted view on reality man, you need to get out more. not all women are money stealing whores. get off r9k and pol and talk to someone for once

>>282013
That's true, in many states both parties are considered married if they live together for a sustained period of time anyway.

>>282015
ok.

>>282009
>I don't even know shit about the bar but don't most prenups get thrown out in court anyway?

If they get thrown out it's because the prenupt was never a legally binding contract to begin with.

IE: You wrote the prenupt, you had a lawyer and she didnt, she is a lawyer but you didn't get representation, wasn't notarized, etc.

All of this garbage you hear about where prenupt agreements are throw out is because the entire contract was no good anyways. This is why you should spend a few hundred and hire the appropriate people to draft the documents for you.

>Do you really think a pathetic tax cut is worth fucking yourself over for in the future?

Why don't you realize that dating is the process in which you weed out garbage. Don't marry shit and you won't end up with shit. It's pretty simple.

>>282015
Majority of women are pretty "meh" tier, just like most guys. I mean, go look at that NEET thread. Shit's depressing.

>>279103
My bf has more money than me, ironically I'm the one who would want to sign the papers because I'm just proud like that, he'll probably also take it as a offense when time comes. So OP, if it's a deal breaker then I guess she isn't the one.

>>282015
No, all women are not money stealing whores, but they will leave if better opportunity comes along. That is in women biology ( hypergamy ). Being loyal is male abstract and unknown to women. They love you for your value and if you lose your job, she will live you first second. Ask ww2 American veterans how "friendly" the German women were. That realization I could not trust my partner is what makes me think about whole marriage thing. So, if I had good amount of money I would do a prenup for sure. If she does not wanna sign it there tons of other girls who will or I just will not get married and fuck bitches I want.

>>282041
>Being loyal is male abstract and unknown to women

You've got some fucked up perceptions of women. Do you actually go outside? You should do a prenupt regardless of your income you moron.

>not trusting your partner
If I was a chick I would avoid you like the plague.

wipe is shitting up the thread everybody out

>>279178
>>280869

You need 2 lawyers fully paid by you of equal quality months to a year beforehand or it will immediately be thrown out during a divorce

>>282043
Man this is biology 101. Our role on evolution scale is just to reproduce. Man value beauty, women value power. Beauty features = fertility, man who is fearless, muscular = genetic lottery and sign that kids will be good at adapting to new world and survive. In past man with physical strength were one that were most powerful, now man with genetic uper hand do not have to be best providers. This is why bitches fuck alphas in their 20s and settle for some rich /biz/ beta in their 30s. They get the best of both worlds, why beta get aging women with their peak years behind them.

>>282009

You can avoid all of this by marrying a non-American woman.

(Non-UK if British, most Euros are still ok)

I live in UK.

Divorce rates have dropped 20% in the last 10 years.

It is boomers that are the cause of the fucked up divorce statistics, and the trend is for young married couples to stay together significantly longer with a much higher rate still being together after the first 10 years.

The largest rate of divorce is in the 50+ boomer age category.

Get married to the woman you love, fuck boomers.

>>281628

I'm just preparing for future "potential" variables in which could potential happen because it can happen. Just safeguarding yourself for a potential that could severely hurt you and the emotional backing of it plays no part.

Pretty much smart thinking.

>>282069
Agreed here. I married a non-US girl. Can't stand American women. Even if their world is perfect, they will find something to complain about

If she tries to guilt you out of a prenup, spin her logic right back around on her and say there's no harm if you plan to be together forever.

Explain it like it's just being responsible. You don't write a will because you plan on dying. You don't get insurance because you plan on bad things happening. You do these things to protect yourself from risk in the event of an unfortunate circumstance.

Being upset at a prenup makes her look bad more than it makes you look bad, because the only reason she could ever get upset at a prenup is that she wants to gain something out of it if there's a breakup, which exposes her gold digging whoreness to you. It's like the greatest "gotcha" moment.

>>282540
>If she tries to guilt you out of a prenup, spin her logic right back around on her and say there's no harm if you plan to be together forever.

If you're having to play games like this with your future spouse, then neither of you are really mature enough to even be considering marriage.

Why can both people not just sit down and be realistic about the fact that people change and that planning ahead is both mature and realistic.

As many people said above, the reason most women have negative reaction to prenups is that the prenup usually gives the man everything in event of a divorce. Most men don't take the time or effort to make sure she understands that she is being protected too.

If neither of you can have a realistic, mature, and nonconfrontational discussion about how to divide assets in this case, that is a major red flag right there.

>>279328
Why is someone entitled to a single penny of "severance" just for being married to you? Honestly I never understood how alimony came to exist in the first place.

>>282565

When two people get married, their assets are essentially pooled together. This is why married couples file joint tax returns.

Alimony came about because women weren't as prominent in the work force. If there was a divorce, a woman was basically left with nothing. It was created to protect stay at home mothers.

It's a dated concept that is only kept due to feminist lobbying and an overly politically correct culture.

Now women can collect alimony even if the couple has no kids and she was working the entire time they were together. There are even cases of the man being forced to pay alimony when the woman was making almost double his income.

I'm glad my girlfriend is all up for the idea

>>282119
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>>281808

>Comments on marriage
>Is Wipe
>Expects people to take his relationship advice seriously when they don't take his biz advice seriously

Wipe pls go

>>282580
Wipe has made me money more than once

I read somewhere it costs $10,000 to put a hit on someone...

DO NOT EVER EVER EVER let a woman take your money

at 80-100% of marriages at started by the woman with the sole intention of taking the mans money.

they learn this as little girls, and as they grow up, then seek the richest men they can find.

99% of the time the richest men are ugly, often short insignificant faggots who were overlooked for most of their lives until their hardwork finally paid off and the made a fuckton of money elevating them to the top of the male hierarchy. Women only marry them, and most other men for their money, but especially these guys.

The only way to make sure she doesn't get it is if she for somereason isn't around to collect when the divorce goes through

How did you get your net worth to 750K?

Look into getting a 2D waifu instead.

There is much more security and much less risk in such an arrangement.

>>279103
Idk about some of the other guys on here but my marriage is great.
>wife cooks and cleans
>works a full time job making a good salary
>helps me with my business especially the bookkeeping and organizing of paperwork
>pays the bills
>takes care of the kids when they're not in daycare
You guys just have to find the right woman. Also, I am positive if we were ever to divorce she wouldn't even file for alimony because she has pride in taking care of herself. Even if she did? I would gladly pay it. If it weren't for her my business wouldn't be as successful as it was today. Oh and she is Chinese.

>>282701
>she is Chinese.
That's why. Likely first generation. Women who are FOTB or first gen are catches.

>>282701
>Oh and she is Chinese.

There's the skeleton in the closet.

White women (ie, attractive women) like that simply don't exist.

Okay, technically they must exist, law of large numbers and everything... But, by age 18 80% of them are taken. By 20, 95%. Past age 22 easily less than 0.1% of those women are still single.

And that entire group comprises maybe 5-10% of the entire white female population. Maybe.

>>280930
huh, dling now. good post !

>>282712
Attraction is in the eye of the beholder. I value practicality over attraction anyways.

>>282716
In that case you're a lucky man. Or unlucky, depending on how you look at it.

>>282565
Alimony was original suppose to be "un-wife-employment" to be paid just long enough until she gets on her 2 feet again. Now it's back pay for decades of free prostitution with interest.

Alimony should only be just 3-9 months of minimum wage or 50% of your income (whichever is lower). And any asset transfer should be what she brought in + clothes + her realistic share of the retirement fund.

>>280930
>the marriage court system is ABSOLUTELY fucked
Relevant: http://www.loweringthebar.net/2013/08/17-year-divorce.html

>>282641
What advice did he give you? I want Wipe money.

>>282751
>free prostitution
Pussy is never free. You're either paying, time, money or your sanity for it.

>>281087
Not always as risky as you think. In some places, simply living together for a certain period of time will give you the same status before the courts.

>>279103
I'd never marry anyone without a prenup. I can't imagine how someone would be insulted by their significant other wanting one either, considering how uncertain life is in general.

>>282559
>hy can both people not just sit down and be realistic about the fact that people change and that planning ahead is both mature and realistic.
Because many people, both men and women, have never and will never "grow up" in this political climate; one designed to keep you an adult-sized child for as long as possible. (see: modern "Feminism" and video game sales)

>>282074

Try telling her about this "potential situation" without sounding like you have trust issues.

Because that's what it's about. You're planning for a future where the two of you are in splitsville. Not exactly romantic, is it?

Now if you'd said something about "principles" to motivate your decision then that's another thing. but hey. let's skip the bullshit. You're being smart here.

What I would do is I would pour out cash and do something really romantic. Then I would propose to her, put the ring on her and, while she's caught up in emotions, I'll add "...but I have one condition."

>>283515

Or you can screw the romantic bullshit and talk about the prenus as you are discussing marriage.

>>283515
>I would propose to her, put the ring on her and, while she's caught up in emotions, I'll add "...but I have one condition."
Thats the worst time to pull this on a woman. You wanna get her a week after her period when she's the most stable

Threadly reminder that Wipe married this and coverted to Islam so he could get its father's money

>>283536
RR stop posting photos of my wife homie

>>283515
Rofl, wait until around a month after you propose to talk about that shit. She's going to want to call her friends, family, FB, etc.

>>283545
Sorry, Art. Who's RR?

>>283515
>Try telling her about this "potential situation" without sounding like you have trust issues.

Easily, it's all about how you word it and show it in body language.

>>280930
Ah I read about Divorce Corp the other day.
Will watch now, thanks for reminding me.
Also, good advice to OP.

>>281741
I like to simply things as much as I can.

What is the purpose to marry? For me, it's to setup for having children.(Ie spending at the very least the next 18 years together.)

If I don't trust that in two years we'll love and support one another(regardless of who takes showers or grows excessive bodyfat), I'll wait a bit to figure out why I'm not sure, and possibly consider moving on.

My girlfriend and I have been dating two years. Both sets of our parents dated around ten years before being married. I wouldn't be surprised if we do, too.

Admittedly, we're all poorfags, but neither of our bloodlines have ever needed prenups.