/biz/ - Business & Finance

meds. now.

let it go
it's been almost a billion years

he knew there were huge gains to be had on land

Shut it down

>>27976708
Really good question anon. Let me eat some more shrooms and ill come up with an unjustifiable answer.

Lol, they still beg people to buy their trashcoins (6cents price)

because of this

>>27976708
He got kicked out of the sea due to anti-titaalikism.

He bought landcoin. Similar to LINK in the sense that nobody will ever be happy, even if they hold, buy or sell.

>>27976708
My ancestor is so cute :)

I'm not religious, but evolution isn't real.
>insert caveman/smoothbrain wojack
Evolution is supposed to be the fixation of beneficial mutations into the population with the use of natural selection. In other word,
coding errors supposedly create more mechanisms in our body through pure accident lmao and natural selection is supposed to be the "filter". I'm not in the mood to make a long post, so I'll try to keep this short. Evolutionists say evolution isn't random and that if it were just randomness, it wouldn't work. They say you need natural selection to make it filtered. Problem is the actual ARISING of the beneficial mutation is 100% luck based. Another thing is say by magic you finally get mutations to get 1/100th of a molecular machine. Say you get a rotor. That has 0 function. No function = not beneficial to survival = guaranteed to not get fixated by natural selection (genetic drift is pure randomness). So basically they argue "well.. that rotor had other usages BEFORE becoming part of 'x' molecular machine". Basically bullshit. That aside, natural selection doesn't fixate barely beneficial mutations. It has to be significant. For instance if I mutated in a way where my pinky was slightly bigger or better yet, say I mutated in a way where my heart becomes the healthiest heart of all humans (I am being nice by even saying this/these mutation(s) would arise to begin with). Guess what? Some female isn't going to be like "his heart is so healthy. I want to fuck him now". Not how it works. Another thing I notice is that they know how bullshit it sounds, so they combine it with adaptation to confuse retards and to make evolution seem less retarded.

A basic way to look at it is that adaptation = fixation of genes already in the genome (such as changes in say a butterfly that makes it change colors so it can camouflage better in the snow or whatever).

Evolution is NOT that. Evolution needs to create say genomes and the new genes within the genome.

>>27976708
things happen when you get all up in the puss

>>27976708
Get the fuck back in there you slippery bastard

>>27977299
Also, I don't remember the example and it's hard to find, but basically iirc the probability of abiogenesis (maybe not even one thing, but of just one/some parts) was like 1/huge ass number. basically they said something about there being more electrons than the number of trial and error chances needed to get abiogenesis. Point is even if every electron was its own "earth", you still wouldn't have a realistic chance for abiogenesis.

In other words, the ONLY realistic way for there to have been life formed by chance is if infinite universes were a thing

>>27977299

>>27976708

>>27977299
forgot to mention the irony. What I mean is we have these things called repair enzymes. Don't know the supposed "history" behind it, but pretty sure it's found within all organisms (possibly not in lower life forms like single celled organisms. Who knows). Point is to give you an example of what they do, they basically correct coding errors/mutations (aka they correct the fuel of evolution). In other words, say you FINALLY lucked out after countless tries and get one beneficial mutation. You actually have to HOPE the repair enzymes are retarded enough to miss the mutation. Think about that irony. The supposed mechanism to "complexity" (random dart throwing) apparently created a mechanism that literally impairs it Lmfaoooo. That makes NO sense.

think about it again. You FINALLY get that beneficial mutation (which btw it isn't enough to spawn it. It has to be fixated by the organism reproducing basically) only for it to be corrected by repair enzymes. LOL. So you need luck in 3 ways. 1. Need the beneficial mutation to arise 2. need it to be lucky and avoid getting corrected by repair enzymes 3. Need it to be significant enough to be fixated by natural selection

Load of bullshit. Don't fall for the load of crap. A lot of evolutionists probably realize how retarded this "theory" is (why the quotes? Because REAL theories are testable AND falsifiable. You can argue SOME of what's INSIDE the study of evolution is a theory, but you literally can't scientifically call the whole thing a theory as evolution is actually just an umbrella term), but pretend it's not retarded due to how they are strictly focused on naturalism and at this point, this garbage is the best they've got

>>27977299
Have you seen the stupid shit evolution has made? All the pitfalls of your own body should prove it to you

>>27978098
no one read what you wrote and I'm disappointed your autism sucked the energy out of the thread

>>27977299
>natural selection doesn't fixate barely beneficial mutations.
*should say "traits", not "mutations".

>27977299
>27977616
>27978098
>27978335
what is this
this was supposed to be a cheeky little thread
im not even replying

>>27978192
LMFAO that's like saying "this nuclear submarine has a loose screw therefore nature created this submarine by blind chance". That aside, it is also debatable how "inefficient" certain parts in our body are.

>>27978291
Kek

>>27977299
>I watched a 5 minute video and now I'm an expert: The Post
Shut up. Just shut up. you're damaging your species.

>>27976708
Because he had to keep moving forward, for his FREEDOM.

>>27976952
keked

>>27978442
LOOOL I am not claiming to be an expert, but at least I actually comprehend the arguments being made.

Let me quiz you. In one sentence describe to me how evolution is said to work in YOUR own words. I want to see if you're extremely retarded, or just sort of retarded (I'm being nice because I actually explained the argument before attacking it meaning if you read carefully enough, you'll understand how it is said to work based on my post).

>>27976708
Jesus get this shit off of here. He blew it.
reset RESET

>>27977299
>What is antibiotic resistance
American education in a nutshell

>>27977092
they had dogs there too?

*crunch*

>>27977092
Where did Eve get a razor to shave her snatch so smoothly? Also fucking waste getting rid of what was probably a lovely firebush

>>27978704
Nigger, what does our immune system have to do with mutations? Nothing

>>27976708
God put it on their hearts

>>27977092
terrible drawing

>>27977092
if /biz/ displayed even .1 percent of the wisdom displayed in this image without the copying and lack of understanding of Chinese ID property stealing that comes with it I would invest in it

>>27977299
Two things:
Darwins finches. Literally look up these experiments, over the course of a few years they watched animals with short lifespans (finches) evolve to better suit their environment, after being taken from their native island to another.

Another thing, evolutionary traits that are beneficial don't have to be directly related to reproduction, your heart analogy doesn't work. If that healthier heart made me more likely to live longer, it would also mean I have more time to reproduce as a whole. Evolution in the modern day for humans is just kind of fucked because were the top predator, and we've outsmarted death, so there is no "natural selection evolution" for us anymore. In addition, we can literally see this in bacterial mutation. This is where the issue with overuse of antibiotics is finally coming into play. If you take a bunch of bacteria, and introduce them to a generic antibiotic, such as penicillin, and put enough in there to where they all wont die, but enough will so they have to reproduce, congratulations you have evolution. The only bacteria that will survive are those that randomly mutate a gene that fends off penicillin, this surviving bacteria now has a MUCH higher chance to survive and reproduce, meaning the trait is much more likely to be passed down. Leave that for a while, couple this with the fact bacteria reproduce like fucking crazy, and congrat-fucking-lations, now this patch of bacteria is penicillin-resistant, or at least more so than other bacteria. There you go. Evolution based on natural selection.

>>27979861
>Darwins finches. Literally look up these experiments, over the course of a few years they watched animals with short lifespans (finches) evolve to better suit their environment, after being taken from their native island to another.

You are retarded. I am well aware. Guess what? There are ZERO recordings of mutations causing the beaks to increase in length. In other words it very easily could have been an example of ADAPTATION. Think about it. Don't just swallow shit without analyzing it

>Another thing, evolutionary traits that are beneficial don't have to be directly related to reproduction, your heart analogy doesn't work. If that healthier heart made me more likely to live longer, it would also mean I have more time to reproduce as a whole. Evolution in the modern day for humans is just kind of fucked because were the top predator, and we've outsmarted death, so there is no "natural selection evolution" for us anymore.

So convenient lmfao. Anyways, you missed my point. It doesn't have to be a healthier heart. It could be ANYTHING. Point is if something isn't directly NEEDED for survival, natural selection won't be fixating for it. I don't care what example you want to use. It can be anything. Same shit applies.

>In addition, we can literally see this in bacterial mutation. This is where the issue with overuse of antibiotics is finally coming into play. If you take a bunch of bacteria, and introduce them to a generic antibiotic, such as penicillin, and put enough in there to where they all wont die, but enough will so they have to reproduce, congratulations you have evolution. The only bacteria that will survive are those that randomly mutate a gene that fends off penicillin, this surviving bacteria now has a MUCH higher chance to survive and reproduce

Explain the specific mutation(s). Did it cause the bacteria to GAIN or LOSE parts? I'll explain to you why this logic is incomplete in the next comment. I'm approaching limit

>>27976708
Cuz you didn't just use KLEROS. see you in court.

>>27976708

>>27977299
your seem to care more about being right than the truth, which predisposes you to being stuck in a dumb state of mind and therefore not capable of this debate, I just thought I'd inform you of that instead of wasting my time responding to your "arguments"

>>27979861
https://youtu.be/dyq8nUmtBns
8:50 and onwards. Long story short, it's extremely specific mutations that basically work by the bacteria being defective in some way and it being painted as an example of "improvement".

>>27980854
I noticed you didn't give a counter argument Lol.
Okay. I'll ask you the same thing I did to another anon who pussied out. Explain to me how evolution works in YOUR own words and in ONE sentence. Let's see if you even comprehend the argument or are just another blind sheep. Most people I see that are evolutionists don't even get the basics and I mean 101 basics. No one here is an expert, but for fucks sakes, at least TRY to understand what you believe in

>>27979364
draw 1 better fagot

>>27976708
Before stepping on land he cooden Breeve!

the more you look into evolution the more confusing it gets and that's on baby

Yeah, seriously. Fuck this dude.

>>27981494
Biology in general is complex as shit, but that said, I notice people don't make the minimum effort to zoom out and understand the big picture logic of what they believe in so basically they don't even KNOW what they are arguing for.

>>27981621
how do would you feel if i told you i was religious and also don't see a problem studying science, or am i a gay nigger for being that way

>>27976708
wifish was blackfished

>>27976708
He did not know any better

>>27981992
>how do would you feel if i told you i was religious
Not something I care about
>and also don't see a problem studying science,
Literally all I mentioned WAS science
>or am i a gay nigger for being that way
You are if you say you understand something, but don't bother to grasp the big picture logic.
For example, when I tell people to tell me in their own words and in one sentence how evolution works, they don't do it. In fact, 2 people I've asked this thread straight up ran away.

YES IM SURE THE SEA CREATURE ARE REALLY DOING WELL RIGHT NOW

>>27982244
you're a real one

>>27977299
cursed dubs
>"Some female isn't going to be like "his heart is so healthy. I want to fuck him now". "
How about this then
"He's so fit, I want to fuck him" => You're fit => You have genetic predisposition to look good and be fit => this genetic predisposition is due to a mutation that occured in you and/or your linneage for generations.
Please stop being actually retarded

>>27977092
Belly button?

>>27976708
everything any living thing has done has always been for pussy
in this case terrestrial fish pussy
he saw a lady fish flopping around on land and hopped onto the shore to have fish sex with her

>>27982928
>He's so fit, I want to fuck him" => You're fit => You have genetic predisposition to look good and be fit => this genetic predisposition is due to a mutation that occured in you and/or your linneage for generations.
>Please stop being actually retarded

First of all, you're a dumbfuck for only picking on one thing. Second of all, you focus too much on the specific example instead of the fucking POINT of the example. The POINT that you missed is if something isn't useful for survival, natural selection won't fixate for it.

literally all you did was mention an example of when natural selection will work and said "see? Evolution is real because natural selection is real". LOL

>>27983230
Natural selection is evolution

>>27976708
>Atheist retards actually believe this shit

>>27976708
Whales controlled the market

>>27979527
>Chinese ID property stealing
redpill me on this

>>27983258
You are literally retarded.

Beneficial mutations arising and getting fixated = evolution.

Natural selection is basically just saying that beneficial traits for survival are more likely to get fixated. It has NOTHING to do with mutations.

COMPLETELY different concepts.

>>27977092
we fucked up bros. never trust a ho with an apple.

>>27979297
>Nigger, what does our immune system have to do with mutations?
Nigger IQ confirmed

>>27983258
Natural selection is refinement and pruning
>>27980420
He is right there wasn’t enough time and there won’t be enough time in the universe for most of the components within DNA to have spontaneously come into existence
Whatever happens is probably a force of nature like gravity, weak bonds etc

>>27983291
The worst part is they believe it without actually knowing what the fuck they are saying. Look at what these 2 wrote for instance: >>27983258
>>27982928

How much you want to bet they can't even explain evolution in their own words and in one sentence? They don't even know what the fuck they are believing in. This is dogma.

>>27977092
Didn't humans create that type of dog way later

>>27983426
Retard alert.
>I'm just going to pretend your body doing its job is evolution even though it has nothing to do with mutations

>>27976708
so he could build a bank first

>>27983480
Yes but it started at some point with a wolf, that can still breed with dogs
They are still all canines

>>27983534
Viruses can inject DNA though, he was right about that
There are some things in our genome that are like scars from ancient viruses.
However this implies that viruses needed dna to exist so it isn’t a debunk like he thinks

>>27976708
his little bitcoin stock did something

>>27983410
So for example, a butterfly in the snow will get fucked by birds unless they ADAPT and have their wings change color to white (that's actually a thing). Bird in this example = natural selection. Butterfly in this example demonstrates how adaptation works. Fixation of genes already present in the genome. It isn't the CREATION of new genes

>>27976708
BOND solves this with their high yielding smart contracts

>>27977299
did not read

>>27977092
See you know this is what actually happened because it accurately depicts the tendency of women fucking up a good thing. Meanwhile (((science))) is too chickenshit to admit men and women are fundamentally different.

>>27976708
kick that cunt right back into the ocean

RETVRN TO TRADITION

>>27983672
So how come some insects have wings and others dont? Did the first insect have wings or did it not?
Because if it didnt then it had to adapt the creation of new wing genes

>>27983851
you could also say it depicts men as simps

>>27977299
Can’t evolution and gods be both the truth?

>>27984011
no because then atheists piss their pants and shit on the floor because that couldn't possibly happen duh retard

>>27984106
I don’t see why they must be mutually exclusive.

schizo thread

>>27979364
yeah my buddy eric draws better

>>27983672
Is this why African Americans look less black compared to actual Africans?

>>27984231
they have to be mutually exclusive because richard dawkins told me they have to be so fuck you

>>27983923
I don't believe body parts were mutated into existence and that the dumb shit was filtered out by natural selection so all I'll say is even though I'm not religious, I believe a creator making specific animals is more realistic than random mutations with no goal in mind being the main mechanism. Point is whatever it was that created all this life, it wasn't mutations not abiogenesis

Hijacking this thead to ask:
What's the deal with everything trying to evolve itself into a crab?

>>27984276
I don't know why their pigments vary. Never read into it. I just remember it being related to sunlight (maybe). Darker skin can handle uv rays more

The big picture to me shows that evolution had a direction. Across the aeons of time animals have evolved with increasingly complicated nerve system and a bigger brain. Personally, I don’t think that can be accidental.
It can’t be pure chance that created the human eye. Don’t you think there is meaning in our being able to see the world around us?

And even the dude Darwin wondered this. He couldn’t really come to terms with the fact that something as delicate and sensitive as an eye could be exclusively due to natural selection

>>27984369
>not
*nor

>>27984507
>>27984343

>>27984434
Because it is the most stable form, Bulls and Bears come and go but the Crab is eternal.
Funnily enough It is also the most innocent of all the zodiac animals:
>Naturalist Richard Hinckley Allen, in 1899, deemed Cancer the "most inconspicuous figure in the zodiac," adding that its mythology "apologizes for its being there by the story that when the Crab was crushed by Hercules, for pinching his toes during a contest with the Hydra in the Marsh of Lerna, Juno exalted it to the sky."[17]

>>27984507
>It can’t be pure chance that created the human eye.
Evolution literally states this was done by pure chance Lol. That the mutations needed to see arose by pure chance, that they escaped being corrected by repair enzymes by luck, that they just so happened to connect with each other in such a way where they just magically happened to work together, and that before that, they had "different functions" before being what they are today. Also that along the whole way that the eye was being created, that every single step just so happened to be useful enough to be fixated by natural selection. Evolutionists require an unrealistic amount of luck no matter how you spin it. They rely on coding errors and they rely on natural selection to filter out the bad coding errors and leaving the good.

The other problem that I can't find a lick of info on is the RATE in which beneficial mutations spawn. Like that's the other thing. Even IF you had a good rate, not all mutations are the same. You need, by pure luck, the RIGHT mutations to arise too. And again, just arising is not enough because repair enzymes can correct it and also the organism can randomly die before helping in getting the mutation fixated first. It's just so much unrealistic luck to the point where it's just bullshit

>>27976708
You can't stop us, that's why

>>27977092
its the fault of heterosexuals we are living in this hellscape called earth instead of the garden of eden

>>27984816
I should have proof read this, but fuck it.

>>27984816
You dumb nigger. Evolution is just statistics, that's all it has ever been.

>Proto-bacteria that move randomly at all times vs proto-bacteria that stop moving when they are near food, add 100 million years and all that are left are proto-bacteria that stop moving when they are near food. That is the beginning of the evolution of consciousness.

>Bacteria that can sense light vs bacteria that can't sense light, add 100 million years and all that are left are bacteria that can sense light because they didn't dry out. That is the beginning of the evolution of the eye
>Fish living in the shallows that repurposed their swim bladders vs fish that didn't, add 100 million years and all that are left are the fish that repurposed their swim bladders because the other fish died out in low-oxygen events. That is the beginning of the evolution of the lung

There is no 'invisible hand' of evolution nor a purpose or a goal. It's just time and statistics.

you had 1,000,000,000 years.

>>27984816
>Evolution literally states this was done by pure chance Lol. That the mutations needed to see arose by pure chance, that they escaped being corrected by repair enzymes by luck, that they just so happened to connect with each other in such a way where they just magically happened to work together, and that before that, they had "different functions" before being what they are today.

Evolution is still changing slightly as a topic of research. Many scientists believe that certain parasites might have been responsible for the direction of evolution to sum it up in simple terms.

For the atheists
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC126866/#__sec2title

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/did-parasites-drive-human-evolution

For the spiritual
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.reality-choice.org/224/archons-exorcising-hidden-controllers/amp

>>27983695
Oh fuck off to r/moonshots with that scam
never trust reddit

>>27976708
What a fucking idiot

whats up with this huge autist itt? yikes

>>27976708
why in the fuck he did it bros...

>>27984369
You're religious and trying to be transparent, this is pretty obious.
Stop blaming all your problems on reddit atheists, stop turning science into a wojak meme with straw man twitter tranny arguments to give your autistic beliefs any sense of validation.
You are wrong and will never make it with this mentality.

>>27985590

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/7019-mind-control-parasites.html

All these changes can be done by one parasite, which can affect their evolutionary path. So it wouldn’t be an “accident” or “luck” persay.


>Toxoplasma infection is associated with damage to astrocytes, glial cells which surround and support neurons. Schizophrenia is also associated with damage to astrocytes.
>Pregnant women with high levels of antibodies to Toxoplasma are more likely to give birth to children who will develop schizophrenia.
>Human cells raised in petri dishes, and infected with Toxoplasma, will respond to drugs like haloperidol; the growth of the parasite stops. Haloperidol is an antipsychotic, used to treat schizophrenia.

>>27984816
You have difficult comprehending and accepting large numbers

>>27985950
How come these parasites do the things they do?
Are they not also living things that have changed across millenia to differently affect their host?
Or do the parasites have parasites?

>>27976708
Man is made in the image of God

>>27986149
don't worry about it just believe that it is

>>27986191
I just wanna know how many layers of parasite there are.

>>27986230
i said don't WORRY about it

>>27986250
O-oh, ok.

>>27984276
Nah it’s cause Africans Americans are around 15 percent european ancestry on average. White skin tends to dominate easily over dark skin in most mixed race couples which is why it lightens them up more than their ancestry would make it seem

>>27985411
You DUMB CUNT. You say "statistics" without even mentioning any math at all (I already mentioned why it wasn't statistically probable. I didn't remember the example well so it was poorly worded. Either way you are one dumb bitch and you also don't even understand basic shit. "oh uhhh... mutations did this because I said so" fuck off with your ignorance. I bet you didn't even process my points).

>>27985411
>It's just time and statistics.
Give me some math then, retard. Give me mutation amount estimates (hint some estimate TRILLIONS for just humans alone) along with a RATE. You dumbasses don't realize statistics goes against you due to how uncommon beneficial mutations are in the first place, idiot

>>27985950
What you quoted doesn't actually say shit. For instance, say you magically mutate a rotor inside a cell. It won't do shit by itself. Some parasite isn't going to change that.

>>27986149
We really don’t know, just be careful man.

/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>27976708
He had the intuition that while decentralization was a dangerous strategy, it was potentially far superior to living together with morons all concentrated in the same place. Glory to our common ancestor, the eternal King of autism.

>>27985829
You sound retarded and I legit cringed at your joker pic. Reminds me of people who unironically think rick and morty is deep.

I'm not "blaming" anything either. What the fuck are you blabbing about?

>>27986079
Rich coming from retard evolutionists. YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ACCOUNT FOR TRILLIONS OF THE RIGHT BENEFICIAL MUTATIONS

fucking retards everywhere

>>27987077
Google anthropic principle. It doesn't matter how rare it is, the chance of it happening is essentially 100% because for there to be an observer to confirm or deny if it occurs, it has to occur.

>>27987130
But a parasite can influence behavior in life in many ways. Which can affect the offspring and so on and so forth.

>>27983672

>>27987438
That makes no sense for say literally all the things that make up a cell. A parasite didn't help evolve a cell for instance

>>27987226
>because for there to be an observer to confirm or deny if it occurs, it has to occur.
Literally google the fallacy "circular reasoning". This is the same as saying "we're here therefore a creator is real". Incomplete logic

>>27987990
moron

>>27988039
Retard is mad because he knows I'm right LMAO.

Let me google it for you incase it's not just a tantrum and actually genuine stupidity:
"Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, “circle in proving”; also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true."

Don't go full retard and pretend this isn't what you are doing

>>27977299
you don't understand the concepts you're describing but at least you got dubs

>>27988193
Except I do :).
I may not be an expert, but all the things I've stated are big picture logic. Similar to how I don't know everything about the sun, but know that it is hot for instance. Fail

>>27988193
Actually, it's kind of sad that you got confused and thus assume you got confused due to "inaccuracies" in my post when in actuality, you just struggle to grasp basic concepts. Nothing I said was complicated. I'm not saying biology isn't complicated, but my posts are beyond basic to get

>>27983410
Mutations get replicated VIA natural selection retard. If natural selection doesn't favor a mutation, then it disappears. That's why we don't have a bunch of downie civilizations popping up

>>27977299
honestly this isn't dumb what you're thinking. the thing is that those random mutation don't just flip one amino acid but often copy entire genes such that small mutations in one gene don't necessarily affect the function of the other. if you're into programming, then mutations more often lead to calling an entire different library than to merely changing one processor instructions.
Check out the "Stated Clearly" youtube channel, it has many videos on this topic. evolution (expectation/maximization in particular) is the most inherent algorithm of our universe, and basically also the heart of any machine learning method.

>>27977299
when animal lose out on food find food then have sex and teach new animal to eat food

>>27988440
>Mutations get replicated VIA natural selection retard
You dumb bitch. What the flying fuck are you even trying to say? That is no sensical. Natural selection doesn't "replicate", you stupid fuck. It is literally just a filter just as a bird will hunt for bugs that don't camouflage well

AGAIN, RETARD. Evolution is the fixation of beneficial mutations through the USE of natural selection. The FUCK do you even MEAN by "replicate"? What the hell are you even talking about? That is the most retarded shit I've read all theead

>>27988440
You are also a dumb BITCH because I quite literally explained how it works in the first fucking post I made this thread. Holy SHIT, we need to filter retards from biz with IQ tests already. You stupid bumbling fuck. Read my first post here:
>>27977299
>Evolution is supposed to be the fixation of beneficial mutations into the population with the use of natural selection. In other word,
coding errors supposedly create more mechanisms in our body through pure accident lmao and natural selection is supposed to be the "filter"

Fucking MONKEY. You know what, I believe in evolution now because I just found the missing link Lol (yes, you in case you couldn't figure it out).

>>27985411
>>27985590
There's a tendency towards 'intelligence' aka increased efficiency in the universe.

>>27988397
>>27988234
I never claimed or even implied that your arguments were complex in form or in content, only that at some point in the process of learning about the concepts you bring up you misunderstood them. This could be your own fault, or, more indirectly, the fault of the education you received growing up. You have a hard time structuring your arguments and addressing one proposition at a time. It may sound trite, but if you learn how to learn you will have a much easier time convincing others of your beliefs.

>>27977092
Religion is the greatest way in history to profit off retards

>>27988577
There's an active choice dumb fuck. You think animals just clone themselves? Animals need to FUCK and have CHILDREN for their DNA to be replicated. It's not fucking magic. Natural selection is the mechanism that causes mutated DNA to proliferate. Someone needs to CHOOSE which GENES get passed to the next GENERATION. MUTATIONS ARE CHOSEN VIA THE PROCESS OF NATURAL SELECTION. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE WHOLE REASON MALES AND FEMALES EXIST. ITS NOT MAGIC. LIFE DOESNT GROW OUT OF THE GROUND

>>27977299
The genome of our common ancestor was altered by an alien race long ago.
It's why survivors from the last dinosaur age (Fish, birds, alligators, crocodiles, many types of mammals, etc) have not changed in any significant way but we appeared to all of a sudden accelerate away from the rest of the mammals at lightening pace.
Also reminder that the missing links have never been found, if evolution is a slow and gradual process then there should be skeletons of earlier more ape like humans littered everywhere. There isn't.

>>27988486
You really think that is going to account for say all the molecular machines within a cell? What exactly would be "copied" in order to mutate a motor and a stator? Why would a motor and a stator by itself even get fixated to begin with? This just sounds like a small bandaid to a big problem (basically a copout. You're giving too much power to mutations instead of accepting it isn't realistic. Beneficial mutations aren't common. They are extremely rare to begin with and you'd need trillions just to account for all the mutations humans have).

>>27977299
I always find it funny when people who are against evolution have no fucking idea what the theory of evolution actually is
It's easy to pick apart a theory if you misrepresent it

>>27988984
You're basically repeating quite LITERALLY what I stated in my first mother fucking post in this thread, retard. I even mother fucking QUOTED IT, you illiterate fuck

>>27976708
Trying to get away from ocean niggers.

>>27976708
More air and bigger brain

>>27989069
:)
I'll explain it yo you down syndrome fucks again since you clearly can't read.

Evolution needs mutations. That is a fact. Evolution is the fixation of beneficial mutations into the population through the use of natural selection.

This isn't MY argument. That is LITERALLY what evolution is, you low IQ dumbass

>>27988968
true but you can only be paid to be an intermediary if what you are a middle man for is valuable
https://youtu.be/f-wWBGo6a2w

>>27976708
curiosity

>>27989078
Your post is rambling and incoherent. Have you heard of fitness? Mutations that occur and happen to make organisms more fit to survive, and this means they get chosen to pass on their genes. This is a long process and involves many iterations. It's actually not that difficult a concept

>>27989171
>you low IQ dumbass
the irony

>>27989026
yes and a shit ton of proteins that are being built aren't of any apparent use as far as we can tell, the genome is full of dead code, which means the likelihood that one of these useless proteins randomly mutates into something useful isn't that low.

I am losing brain cells with how low IQ you fucks are. Can't read. Repeat what I say and pretend I don't say it. Play the "no u" card, you guys can't even explain what evolution is in your words and in one sentence because you retards have no idea what the fuck you believe in, etc.

i get it. Retards are everywhere. Most humans have down syndrome. I get it. Bunch of retards can't even follow the most basic shit I write. Also like 90% of my posts go ignored while I on the other hand go point by point.

I bet you dumb bitches are the same fucks that fomo into doge coin Lol. Fucking hell. Despite stupidity being obviously expected, I never get used to it. Bunch of cultists lmfao

>>27989361
>t. the guy the can't grasp how chance works

>>27989341
The irony is you don't you're an example Lol.

>the genome is full of dead code
That has been debunked.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/our-cells-are-filled-with-junk-dna-heres-why-we-need-it

Here's why
He was an evil, cursed being. He was also a super genius. He discovered the true meaning of life and the universe, but it wasn't pretty. He knew about civilization and how fire was a requirement. Since he was cursed with such large intellegence, he knew everything, even the grim truth that even we don't know yet. He was mad at life, at the universe. Instead of offing himself, he decided to take revenge by destroying many more lives. He walked onto land knowing the intelligence it would bring, and with intellegence comes the loss of nature and degeneracy. He laughs in his grave when he sees oceans and forests polluted, seeing all the species going extinct every day, seeing the slow degeneration of society. His true last laugh will be when we too, discover the truth that he knew all along. That would lead to the most despair, most devastation and destruction ever. His descendants would be played like pawns, playing into the wishes of the one who caused them so much suffering.

>>27989361
i get the sense you live in a little hut in the desert. Do you?

>>27989361
Consider this, anon. It's quite possible that many of the people in this thread agree with your premises and maybe even some of your conclusions, but you're not able to communicate them effectively and succinctly. Every new post you make is met with more people calling you a retard. Perhaps you're not doing anything to help elucidate your thought process. Perhaps you're only getting upset with yourself.

>>27989430
>the retard that pretends statistcis is on the side of evolution
Lmao even if every electron was it's own earth, you wouldn't get abiogenesis.
it's also retarded how you'd actually WANT that first cell to be a defective fuck because you'd need it to reproduce imperfectly for ANY sort of chance for "evolution" to occur.

One thing to believe in luck. Another to believe in chances that are nonexistent. It's like saying sure, I can win 1 million lottos 100 trillion times in a row. Just because it CAN happen doesn't mean it WILL.

Boy, these people sure are mad. Some things never change.

>>27977299
Kek, wasn't going to bother reading this but so glad I did. Thanks for the laugh, anon.

>>27989540
I have a feeling you might have down syndrome. Do you?

>>27989577
>Consider this, anon. It's quite possible that many of the people in this thread agree with your premises and maybe even some of your conclusions, but you're not able to communicate them effectively and succinctly.
You give them way too much credit. But I get it. When people feel attacked by my language usage, it doesn't even matter if I'm right. They don't like me as a person so they focus on me instead of the argument which is a sign of people with 0 intelligence. We're all assholes. They should still try to be unbiased, but I have 0 faith in like 60-70% of human beings.

>>27989606
I think the concept of randomness just scares your autistic brain desu

>>27989344
>>27989508
Second part is for you

>>27979297
>>27983534
>He thinks antibiotic resistance relates to your immune system
This is why niggers shouldn't be let loose on the internet to embarrass themselves

>>27989749
No, retard. You just can't follow the basic shit I say. If I had a 1/10 chance of getting something, it would be random, but I'd believe in getting it at a 10% rate. Evolution and abiogenesis are barely even in the realm of possibility. That's the difference. 1/10 is not the same as 1/1 quadrillion (I don't remember the actual probability to abiogenesis alone [not even accounting evolution] but it is actually worse than that).

You don't comprehend rates vary. There is a such thing as realistic and another as unrealistic.

>>27989718
I'm not talking about your demeanor or use of insults. I'm talking about my perception that you have a difficult time putting concepts that you may have a perfectly adequate understanding of into coherent and actionable written arguments. You're not upset because people don't agree with you - to do so is insanity - no one person on the planet agrees with me because my conscious formulation of the world is my own - you're upset because your thoughts are not adapted to the common rhetorical structure of the discourse in which you are participating.

>>27989986
Missing the point, retard. How about you (in layman's terms) explain the SPECIFIC mutations that causes how bacteria improve antibiotic resistance? For instance, did the mutations cause the bacteria to become deformed in some way? Did it come with fitness cost? Let's hear it

>mods instantly delete my thread and ban me for peepeepoopooposting
>this is one of the biggest threads on /biz/ and has been up for over 5 hours
you mods never cease to amaze me with how fucking pathetic you are kek

>>27989995
>unrealistic
Says who. Says you? An autistic fool who can't even comprehend the scale of time during which the evolution of life takes place? If your argument is that 'it just isn't likely bro therefore it dont real' then thats probably the dumbest shit i've heard in a long time. I think you are failing to grasp how long 4.5 billion years really is. Your thinking is sloppy and incoherent in general

>>27990184
*specific mutations and how they improve antibiotic resistance for the bacteria

>>27989995
can you recommend some books to your ideas/statements, am curious

>>27990244
>Says who. Says you? An autistic fool who can't even comprehend the scale of time during which the evolution of life takes place? If your argument is that 'it just isn't likely bro therefore it dont real' then thats probably the dumbest shit i've heard in a long time. I think you are failing to grasp how long 4.5 billion years really is. Your thinking is sloppy and incoherent in general
You literally told me nothing Lmao. All you said was "universe old" which doesn't tell me jack shit. Give me a rate then since it is "realistic" apparently. Let's see the math

>>27988968

>>27977299
Don't believe this fud

>>27990450
kek

>>27990184
>explain the SPECIFIC mutations that causes how bacteria improve antibiotic resistance?
Do you not realise how easy that is? Bacteria mutate hundreds of times an hour, if you're taking antibiotics and one of these bacteria throws up a mutation that makes its cell wall less permeable to that particular antibiotic then that gene will quickly become widespread as it reproduces and the bacteria without that gene get destroyed. Congrats you know have an antibiotic resistant strain of bacteria and evidence of evolution working in real time. You were blabbing on about your immune system, which is completely irrelevant and demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about.

Why you mates want so much money from /biz/?

Go eat some rats and trash in your fucking river
Stop scamming this thread with your stupid coin

I’ve already participated in bot ocean and wait for full trading project launch with bots

>>27990327
I don't read books and I know this was a subtle attack Lmfao. No one here reads jack shit besides articles online and you are probably no different. I watch some youtube vids from time to time such as from dr. Jerry bergman and Dr. James Tour. I've made it clear from the beginning I am no expert, but I DO understand the BIG picture logic which is all I care about (that is already more than 99% of the people here).

>>27990450
Alright.. that made me kek too

>>27990353
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/22/11995

>>27978291
I read it ya fkn retard

>>27990503
>throws up a mutation that makes its cell wall less permeable to that particular antibiotic then that gene will quickly become widespread as it reproduces and the bacteria without that gene get destroyed
You didn't answer the only 2 questions I asked Lol.
1. Do the bacteria become deformed in some way and 2. Does it come with fitness cost
(now that I think about it, that's more or less the same question)

That was literally all I asked and you gave me a completely dofferent generic answer of how bacteria "mutate a lot and eventually develop mutations that make them form resistance to antibiotics". No fucking shit. That's mot what I was asking about kek

>>27990586
Mid

>>27977092

>>27990586
>I don't read books
the smoking gun

>>27977299
kek. Classic guy who thinks "they all have it wrong but I know better because I won't put in the effort to try and understand what I don't understand but convince myself is right way of understanding because I am very smart".

>>27990586
>No one here reads jack shit besides articles online and you are probably no different.
Cope. "People are dumb but not me because I watch a youtube video". If you want to have opinions and spout them, actually spend time reading instead of regurgitating youtubers. Fucking backseat "scientists" man.

>>27990743
I literally explained one example of a mutation that causes antibiotic resistance, i.e. cell wall becoming less permeable. Yes, there's often a fitness cost, everyone knows that.

>>27990843
i could be christian, islamic or jewish

>>27990700
Lol let's be real. Both of us don't understand jack shit from that link and I can easily get multiple sources about probability of evolution and abiogenesis. This will not end conclusively and the argument will get too complex to be genuine so I'm going to drop he probability argument. We can spam links and play the "I have more links than you" game, but that isn't being honest.