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>>26416794
+1 degree

>>26416794
zoom out

>>26416877

based

>>26416794
You do realize in developed countries we're just going to get a bit more shitty weather and more expensive food, but otherwise we'll be fine? It's the developing countries that are fucked and it's us who fucked them.

>>26416794
>western / global civilization
anon there is no such thing as a non-western civilization. They merely got cultures and mediocre ones at that.

>>26416794
pretty sure elon musk will build something and we'll be ok

>>26416877
based
Zoom out and you will also realize carbon dating, the underpin for all modern archeology, is a sham

>>26416877
kek, true

>>26416794
>ohhhh link will 100x, we're all gonna be rich
>it's just 1°C, it can't go much higher, we've rached the top

Pump and dump

Was there an incredible population explosion in the 19th/20th century that might have lent itself to a sudden incremental 1 degree celsius bump in average world temperature that won't continue at that pace because the population then leveled off logarithmically thereafter?

>>26417006
Nah couldn't be. Eat the bugs got, cattle farming produces too much greenhouse gases.

god I hate pretending I believe that shit in business settings and around normies

>>26416945
This is assuming the west prevents the billions of “climate refugees” from pouring into Europe and North America. Something tells me that won’t happen.

There is literally no catastrophic temperature rise in the data. We're going up 1-1.5 degree Celsius a century, that's about it. Whoop de fucking do
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/
All the "evidence" of catastrophic warming is in the models. Hopefully I don't need to explain to you why models aren't a reliable source of data, you're in /biz/

>>26417183
Because the data output is only as good as the input

zoom the f. out
show all the data

>>26416794
>How do I short western / global civilization?
Bet on the jew

>>26416794
My TA on this chart says that dinosaurs are going to come back

>"muh 1°+ doesn't mean shit"
ngmi

>>26416794
Imagine actually believing that anyone has accurate precise measurements of global average temperatures going back 2000 years.

>>26417321
Yeah it doesn't. There is no catastrophic rise in sea levels in the data.
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/
It's rising at the same pace as it used to rise, and it'll continue rising until the ice age, that's how Earth works. The models are not proof of anything

just dont have children, who the fuck cares what happens after you die

>>26416877
came for this

>>26417114
but that's unrelated to climate change then

>>26417065

It blows my mind people unironically use this as an excuse to not have kids. I've heard it multiple times. Fucking retards.

>>26416794
The chart conveniently cuts off we’re it does, because if you go a little further in the past you have a warm period that is higher then our current warm period and that wrecks the narrative of “man influenced global warming)

>>26417590
How?

>>26417183
>ww2 was so badass it literally warmed the earth for a few years
radical

>>26416794
>OH NO HUMANS CANNOT INTEGRATE TO DIFFERENT CLIMATES

There is a reason why humans populate the whole earth. Focus on environmental issues like plastic in the oceans. Climate change is the easier alternative for corporations to act like they care.

>>26417652
because they'd want to come to the West regardless of climate, most of them wouldn't even know how to read a thermometer

>>26417526

>>26417716
Yeah but immigration is controlled far more than refugees + it would drive up immigration rates.

>>26416794
>looking at global temp on the 100 year chart
environmental equivalent of 5 minute candlesticks

>>26416794
invest in chaos !

>>26416794
Are there any companies looking towards Antarctic resource extraction? There's gonna be a gold rush once that ice starts melting more

>>26416877
Not to mention, we didn't have thermometers and actual measures except for the past few hundred years and of those, only 150 years of record keeping at a global level exist. We are comparing apples and oranges. Tree ring samples and other proxies and then estimating the average temperature vs thermometers. Imagine being as stupid as OP, thinking he is extrapolating from n=2000 when in reality it's N=150 as we really have little clue of what the temperature was year per year before instrumentation.

>>26416794
Both the "medieval warm period" and the"little ace age" were local to Europe. They were big effects locally but small in the global average.
When there aren't enough plants you get warming and CO2 accumulation, both contribute to plant growth. As a result in the last 20 years the earth added huge amounts of biomass which will eventually fully exploit and dampen the warming effect.

The warm period happened as a result of the fall of Rome. The little ice age came when Europe was growing fast again and over exploited wood coal. Entire islands were deforested just before that.

>>26416794
Own farmland in a valley area. Regardless of global temperature, it will rain more and deposit more rain in mountainous areas.

Valleys have a lot of value because the soil is constantly replenished via erosion.

>>26416945
It's the reverse, erosion and depletion is a bigger issue in factory farms, and we're gonna heat peak phosphorous eventually. Climate change is a meme, the real issue is scarce agricultural resources, and the eventual clean water shortage.

>>26417675
Imagine having brain this smooth.

>>26416877
checked and kekd

>>26416794
Looks like a bubble.

>>26417753
my point is that the media would just use another excuse why those people need refugee status (eg poverty, racism) if there were no climate change

>>26417895
>seriously thinking we have no way of telling temperature/air quality/atmospheric composition and pollution from thousands of years ago
>Imagine being as stupid as OP, thinking he is extrapolating from n=2000 when in reality it's N=150 as we really have little clue of what the temperature was year per year before instrumentation. (absolute pseud speak)
You're the dumbest nigger in the room

>>26417966
Soil and water problems are easily solved with energy, so as long as research into fission and fusion continues we'll be safe on that front. Also, population of developed countries has peaked and it's quite low, easily fed even under catastrophic scenarios. Most of Asia and Africa will be completely fucked in 50-150 years depending how things go

>>26417945
Particles in the air including water vapor cause cooling, much more than the CO2 effect warms.
When a civilization burns wood or coal on a large scale the particles cause local cooling but if they suddenly stop burning wood the buffered warming effect of the deforestation they caused comes into effect which with enough CO2 causes reforestation.
Until around 1990 we were still releasing particles into the air which countered the global warming effect with cooling. When we stopped the cooling it gave the biomass the room to respond to the increased CO2 levels which resulted in the great greening of the last 20 years.

>>26416983
kek

Global warming is real, but it's actually good for me, because I live in Siberia and I'm fucking tired of -35°C in winter

>>26417006
Yeah and that population was in China/India/Africa. Make them depopulate first

>>26417526
Some of us don’t want kids, but want a long term partner, (and all women want kids), but current social policies have destroyed the family making long term relationships impossible

>>26416983
Not even remotely related, retard

>>26416968
>carbon dating
What do you mean? Does the graph mean that the half life of carbon-14 is wrong?

>>26418461
Water vapor is the number one cause of climate warming due to its light activated vibrational modes. You’ve got this stuff backwards fren. Still, global warming is fake so it’s not like it’s important to be right about it’s alleged mechanism.

1970s people thought we were going into ice age. 2020s ppl think world will become Venus. Why were people so much smarter in the 70s. There have been perhaps thousands of ice ages, and volcanoes have erupted that pumped more CO2 and gases into the atmosphere then humanity has in its full timeline. I'm scared of ice age still

>>26419162
The net effect of water vapor has not been clearly demonstrated even though propagandists pretend it has. There's been convincing work showing the net effect is cooling as you would expect if you weren't obsessing about getting credit for theoretical effects that are dwarfed by the obvious large scale effects like the fact that white clouds reflect sunlight and heat.
My simple model accounts for just about every tiny peak and valley in every chart of temperatures you can dig up like the OP picture. If you look at historical temperature data with the assumption that clouds cause warming nothing makes sense, if they cause cooling everything lines up. Every large disaster that destroys biomass is followed by rapid warming and a gradual cooling as the biomass is restored.

In short the idea is that the increased retention of solar energy because of increased CO2 causes a permanent temperature increase but in reality given a bit of time the energy is of course absorbed by the hungry biomass. If these theories about runaway warming through water vapor were true it would have happened a long time ago. We're not Venus, everything here like the composition of the atmosphere has been regulated by the evolving and responsive photosynthesizing biomass for 3-4 billion years.

>>26416877
This fucking killed me holy shit

>>26418786
Yep ruskis benefit from global warming
the dutch are fucked tho

I see a lot of muh 1 celcius, dindu nothing nigger posting.
Petroleum is extremely profitable I get that but expecting to dump 5.1 billion metric tons of carbon into the atmosphere without consequence is brainlet tier thinking.

>>26420666
The real green house gas is water, Satan

>>26420666
There are only benefits. We are fighting against an inevitable ice age. Volcanoes will kill us eventually

>>26420802
>real green house gas is water
Oceans absorb carbon tho.

>>26420952
Whatever I made money with EV stocks so I'm converted. Stop being a hydrocarbon boomer.

>>26416877
fucking kek

>>26419108
What he means is that carbon dating is not accurate like we thought. Or it would be accurate to say that hype and conceited scientists have made us believe that carbon dating is accurate to the dates they claim, even though it is not, and the actual creator of this dating method also told us as such. The sun throws off cyclical blasts and these can deposit large amounts of carbon 14. This throws off all dating even past just around 6,000 years. We really don't know anything about our past.

>>26421021
No shame in riding a fad. I also own nio and was in fsr for a bit. Good trades. Just because people are dumb doesn't mean you can't profit from it

>>26420802
The more plant life there is the more water vapor there is.
Imagine how fucked in the head you have to be to call being actively opposed to plant life "environmentalism".
>yeah I'm an environmentalist
>that's why I oppose desert reclamation projects based on some braindead theory that doesn't fit any data
>yay deserts!
>sure we could turn the Sahara back into a lush paradise without an ice age in Europe but no that's bad because.. yay deserts!

So this is the new place on 4chan where poltards hide their bullshit

Sage and reported

>>26416877
checked. I see you're a fellow enjoyer of truth anon

>>26417945
It is all just the sun. Literally the sun drives our climate. That shit you were spewing is all wrong.

>>26421384
You're in for a wild ride newfag, we're all /pol/bros here

>>26416794
vote democrat

>>26421384
/pol/ owns 4chan, /b/ is dead

>>26421384
You are here forever, faggot ass nigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEWoPzaDmOA&list=PLHSoxioQtwZdP64kv7PmAJbadWEpcH6B1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_zfMyzXqfI&list=PLHSoxioQtwZdP64kv7PmAJbadWEpcH6B1&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4pWZGBpWP0&list=PLHSoxioQtwZdP64kv7PmAJbadWEpcH6B1&index=3

>>26421021
>I made money with EV stocks so I'm converted
Combustion is completely outdated but that's irrelevant. If you had a planet sized greenhouse and pumped it full of CO2 it would just produce more biomass, same as any greenhouse. As you add CO2 to a greenhouse at no point does it suddenly start some magic loop where condensation on the windows traps exponentially more heat. The condensation does trap heat but it also reflects more heat out than it traps. It doesn't matter how big you make the greenhouse, this runaway effect doesn't exist.
When we fully convert to green energy we may want to keep burning fossil fuels and figure out other ways to keep the CO2 levels high.
>>26421447
I don't know which is worse, being a reddit NPC that swallows the mainstream narrative without question or being a literal retard who can't grasp the simplest ideas.
I know from personal experience how local climate is changed by things like volcanic dust clouds. I have written records of the forests in my local area that were cut down for wood coal on a massive scale just before and during the European mini ice age which is a local thing you don't find evidence of in Australia.

>>26422014
Look at your debate skills. You attack me right away with le reddit. I have never even been there. I go off of real science. Watch the videos I posted above, from Suspicious0bservers on jewtube. The Roman Warm Period was the sun. The Maunder Minimum was the sun. You are trying to put the blame on human activity for stuff that happened hundreds of years ago, or over a thousand years ago. You have no evidence at all. It is like a child trying to imagine how water erodes the bank of a river. You think that humans cutting and burning somehow drove us into a little ice age, and then you claim that it was only in Europe. Wrong. Evidence exists in the new world. Alaska would have been warmer during this period. Siberia and teh arctic would have been warmer. We are seeing a repeat of all of this right now. The fact is that you cannot prove at all that human activity played any role in climate change. Now we have industrialized society and we can still see that the sun plays the major role, and cosmic rays and other space weather also work to regulate and modulate things like cloud cover or the global electric circuit. You are just a proponent of the new global warming religion. Fanatics are really quite sad.

>>26422014
Green energy will be a bust. Solar is already producing lower output due to teh ongoing weakening of our sun. Wind turbines are worse than fossil fuels and the increasingly severe winds are going to shred them all away. Things are going to become more severe on the surface of this planet, and it is all due to the sun's activity. We are entering the new grand solar minimum, aka The Eddy Minimum, and we are also undergoing a magnetic reversal right now. It will finish and flip the magnetic poles in our lifetimes. Our sun will then put out its nova and reset human civilization. It has done this time immemorial.

>>26422014
This is information about Tasmania. Australia likely also suffered similar effects during the Maunder. However, the population of Australia would have been quite low back then. It is also unlikely that they were recording all of the data that was being recorded by the peoples in Europe, since they had been on the island for a relatively short time.

Repeatedly, crops either failed or produced little food. Reconstructed tree-ring sequences from the island of Tasmania [island state of Australia] showed a succession of poor growing seasons in the mid and late seventeenth century, a period that saw the ‘most prolonged cool period in the past 700 years.’ In Sweden, a prolonged period of cold weather had reduced crop yields and trade, and the harvest of 1650 ‘was the worst Sweden had known for fifty years, or was to know for near fifty more’, and in March, the Stockholm bakers fought each other at the city gates to secure some of the scarce flour. In China the winters between 1650 and 1680 formed the coldest spell recorded in the Yangzi and Yellow river valleys over the last two millennia. In southern China in the 1650’s, seventeen counties in Guangdong province reported frost or snow.

>>26422249
>You attack me right away with le reddit
I was referring to you as the literal retard who can't grasp the simplest ideas which I tend to think is still more productive than being a mindless reddit cuck.
>>26422249
>real science
You don't understand the concept of science.
>You have no evidence at all.
I have a hypothesis that fits the data better than the mainstream view or some vague schizo horseshit about the sun.
>You think that humans cutting and burning somehow drove us into a little ice age
Why is that unreasonable? I'm telling you entire countries were deforested in a few hundred years as documented by the actual people living at the time and you're talking about how our effect on the environment isn't a factor?
The mainstream view is that it was caused by volcanoes but my idea is that it was an actual runaway effect where cooling caused more burning of coal which caused more cooling. There's also a warming period after each major civilization collapse.
>>26422499
>a bunch of retarded shit based on nothing
You don't understand the scientific method at all. Read the absolute basics, the history of astronomy and physics.
>>26422911
You're right, the little ice age was global or very far reaching, the medieval warm period was not.

>>26423269
You are simply a fool.

>>26416877

>>26416877
Based

>>26422499
>Green energy will be a bust. Solar is already producing lower output due to teh ongoing weakening of our sun.
>We are entering the new grand solar minimum, aka The Eddy Minimum, and we are also undergoing a magnetic reversal right now. It will finish and flip the magnetic poles in our lifetimes. Our sun will then put out its nova and reset human civilization. It has done this time immemorial.
This is something you actually said. What does any of this have to do with science? Testable hypotheses etc? Why do you use words you don't understand like "science"?
>>26423364
Everyone but you and your favorite schizo youtuber are apparently fools.

>>26423269
>I have a hypothesis that fits the data better than the mainstream view or some vague schizo horseshit about the sun.
You don't. Nothing fits better than the sun. The sun is in control. It's not CO2, it's not you, it's teh sun. You are the one that doesn't understand science. You claim to have a hypothesis about fucking cutting trees over 500 years ago, you have zero evidence of any of the data that you might need to flesh out your hypothesis, and then you attack me for not knowing science. I know that your "science" is a sick mockery of the real thing.
Humans cut down trees and burned wood and coal. Yes. But volcanoes are also documented as having gone off at that time. We now know that galactic cosmic rays cause volcanic eruptions. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234022172_Explosive_volcanic_eruptions_triggered_by_cosmic_rays_Volcano_as_a_bubble_chamber..

So we have research papers that explain that cosmic rays act on the muons in the silica rich magma and cause the volcanic eruptions. We know that the cosmic rays increase during periods of prolonged solar inactivity, just like the maunder. You have a theory about runaway effect of cooling and it might sound kind of fun, it is not a real theory at all. It is fucking junk. You are fucking trash. You are not scientific at all, which must really hurt you since you are another fool that seems to worship at the altar of the new false religion. Watch the videos I posted from Suspicious0bservers. Learn something that might save your life.

>>26421021
Carbon dioxide does not trap heat, water does.

>>26418996
A nuclear war between india and china would solve most problems of our current world. Change my mind.

>>26416877
kek, but also true
/thread

>>26423698
But all of it is true. Show me where it is wrong. I have already provided over 3 hours worth of viewing to explain my side of things.
>What does any of this have to do with science?
The sun is currently weakening. This is readily apparent. We are entering the new Eddy Minimum. It is named after fucking Jack Eddy, the scientist that discovered it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Eddy..
We are undergoing a magnetic excursion. Do I really need to provide research papers on this too? It is fucking well known in the scientific community that the magnetic poles are moving right now, and have been for over 100 years thus far. We even know where they ought to meet, in the bay of bengal. Lastly, our sun is a recurrent type nova. I certainly understand that this is very hard to believe. Yet, it is true nonetheless. My favorite schizo youtube is the head of a community of well over 100,000 people, including many scientists. They all know that this is real, and it is coming in our lifetimes. You need to wake up. I have provided all of the information that you might need to learn about this. You are the one choosing to stay ignorant. Now, I am done speaking with you. Good luck.