/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>26335177
rest assured, you’re not alone

>>26335177
>Does nobody else still believe in this dream?
Ofc, it's the reason why I will never sell. Because I hate the government and believe their current economic system is against everything the founding fathers wanted for their country.

It's not private, and is pointless outside of speculation. The only real incentive to use crypto as a store of value is to escape the tax man. ZEC 1000 EOY

>>26335177
I do, but not with bitcoin

>>26335403
Beat you to it monero fag good luck with tranny devs

>>26335177
No. I agree.

>>26335395
It's the greatest proof of concept ever, retard.
BlockChain solved the byzantine generals problem, retard.
The first currency that's not gold that isn't controlled by a government, retard.
The first borderless currency, retard
The first currency you can use to donate to Wikileaks, Al Queda, or charity with, retard.

>>26335177
That dream was retarded from the beginning considering bitcoin is deflationary by design meaning irrational to actually use as money

>>26335403
You thinkin Pirate Chain?

>>26335177
I agree. I learned to drown out the noise from this board as I know most of it is from bandwagoners and FOMO's.

I'm here, I think a few of us are as well. I bought the dip at 30,2

>>26335678
I'd rather get paid in a currency that gains value than in a currency that loses it. Seems rational to me

If you care about 'bitcoin' as an ideal you wouldn't care about bitcoin core since it was hijacked by blockstream.

>>26335177
Yes but Bitcoin isn’t it. Transactions way too slow

It's why even though I'm a current bear I want to invest in the future

>>26335403
Same here.

>>26335177
>Am I the only one on this entire board who actually cares about bitcoin as an ideal?
i'm right there with you.
i feel like all of this speculation has soured a lot of the technical promise of the field, and tarnished the reputation of cryptocurrencies among the public.

>>26335177
>>26335249
>>26335376
>>26335659
>>26335793
ITT: people that sniff there own farts

>>26335177
you are not alone fren :)

>>26335177
Everyone who actually cares about bitcoin as an ideal has abandoned bitcoin for Monero

>>26335177
Ideals are nice cash is nicer

>>26335797
Yes you would rather get paid with it, but you would also be more hesitant to spend it (as if you wait a day, everything becomes cheaper)

>>26335177
https://strawpoll.com/2p3pvx837

>>26335797
But why spend it now when it’ll be worth more tomorrow?

>>26335902
>there own

>>26335458
you did beat me kek. now show us something substantial happening with ZEC fag

>>26335942

Yes it's called savings and it's pretty normal if you aren't a keynesian moneylender

blockstream cares too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BZoKH-hX_o

>>26336001
So if people want to save more...
They spend less...

DAIQ is interesting on the development side as well... the tech is revolutionary

>>26335177
if you care about that shit then buy monero. Bitcoin is for pumping. Bitcoin's only ideals are PUMPING and making boomers feel warm inside with the lack of privacy

>>26335177
This is what you are actually looking for fren.

>>26335177
bitcoin fails at everything beside being a speculative money sponge

low transaction speed, high transaction fees and the energy intensive mining process mean that it will never replace existing payment systems

>>26335403
This. Monero is the real answer to "but what can you buy with it".

>>26336069

Right
And it's nice to have a vehicle to actually save with rather then being forced into riskier and riskier assets to avoid inflation

>>26335986
1st halving 90 days ago gemini shielded withdraws for non criminal rich fags greyscale trust think it's going in direction where xmr is shadier stuff and ZEC is legal tax haven for the rich in america/west but who knows

>>26335177
AVAX has the same ideal of bitcoin, but also quicker transactions while being imune to the 51% attack

>>26335177
Definitely not alone OP, though people do talk about the money side a lot... at least it gets people interested.

Mass adoption will change the world in far more ways than we can predict, but I believe it'll be positive.
The more trust we can have in each other that doesn't require a centralized power the better.

I think this'll be surrounding smart contracts though (like with Ethereum and DeFi) and whatever comes next, I believe in cryptocurrency as an ideal, not specifically Bitcoin.

>>26335177
Idealists moved to the superior cryptocurrency unironically

>>26335979
Smells like shitty bait doesn’t it

I used to a lot more but I realized a currency nit controlled by governments is somewhat of a pipe dream. For it to achieve the things you mentioned it would have to be near anonymous, less so than it even is now, and as you know we slowly march in a less anonymous direction. I used to think the powers that be would never let it happen but the truth is the barely even have to try to control it. The already wrote the book on this regarding internet privacy as a whole. Normies always choose convenience. The Snowden leaks taught us this. We learned the government unconstitutionally and systematically, and in direct contradiction with natural law violates every human on earth privacy and no one gives a fuck.
So basically long story short bitcoin won't achieve what you truly want it to because people don't want what it could achieve.

>>26335395
>zioncash
kys kike traitor to humanity

>>26336468
>For it to achieve the things you mentioned it would have to be near anonymous,
BUY MONERO you stupid fuck

>>26336478
The Jews have embodied stateless capital for 2000 years bullish as fuck ZEC 60000 End of decade

This is an idea thats 10+ years old we have better ideas now

>>26335177
>I just want a future with decentralized money that no government can control.
not at any cost no. sovereign corporate digital currency would be the biggest curse on us.
bitcoin can't be money anyhow the supply is against that use-case.

we are all in the ponzi, I already recover for like a thousand times my investment, but i still have lots to pay, in this new house, my new cars, and my new habits.

>>26335403
don't think anyone cares, it's just chilling there doing nothing. Do you think people give a fuck about Monero?

>>26335177
I agree but the one problem with digital currency is that there is no protection over money laundering, terrorist funding and payments for crime

>>26337361
>problem

>>26337361
Wow just like normal money

>>26337361
>crime
The government should pass a law to make faggotry a capital crime, that way you’ll be forced to off yourself. Fucking bootlicker.

>>26336271
So if they trade less because of the nature of the currency itself, and currency is meant to facilitate trading...

>>26335403
This, Monero and some feeless coins are all that matter.

>>26335902
>there own
Retard.

>>26335177
Sounds like this dip has caught someone square in the feels...

>>26337711
Feeless coins have a lot to prove, security wise... But I get what you mean. I even have a IOTA risky bag.

can we all just swear to each other that anyone who claims to be satoshi is by definition toxic to the ecosystem? we are ALL satoshi.

>>26336816
>Jews
>Stateless capital
You have to go back

>>26338049
>security wise..
I agree, even though dags are experimental they're the only option for feeless transactions.

>>26335403
Holy the irs and the jews are truly scared of monero, if I was a government I also would be..
Imagine if bitcoin was that private... That would be crazy..
But doesn't monero have a infinite supply of its coin? therefore it can never be very expensive.

>>26337487
he was obviously jokin retard

>>26335177
I still believe, but I do fear that less people care these days. It's hard to stay on track on the vision when it makes people wealthy at the same time. Just look at how tribal the space has gotten, that's largely because it's shifted from being a movement for liberty to primarily an investment and speculative pressure valve. For a decentralized network maybe that's just how it matures. It grows and just because something that exists versus some special movement. Ideally the game theory just works out to keep things going regardless of individual beliefs. That's kind of the idea anyway right?

>>26335177
Fuck you I bet you got in in 2013or some shit. Maxis always say the same but only care about number go up. Bitcoin failed as currency

>>26335177
its 15% about the money and 85% for the story 10 years from now

>>26335177
Why would you care about bitcoin, the underlying decentralized technology is what is important, this does not stop with just money. the currency is not important the idea of decentralisation of the entire internet space is. They have already taken our freedom in the real world, we can not let them take this one as well.

>>26338162
No I’m satisfied

>>26335177
But it's unusuable OP what are you even saying?
Not only that, the market is only saved by whales from silk road era. There is no BTC ideal. Honestly Nano is more ideal & decentralized, even though its a tranny coin. BTC is centralized both economicamly and infrastructure wise.

The BTC ideal is unironically Ada, Dot, Algo, etc...

>>26335403
Why cant all those deepweb market and ISIS just accept bitcoin then transfer their donated bitcoin to monero and cash out? are they that tech illiterate? Godamnit I hate LOW IQs.

>>26335177
im here for libertarian principle
\

>>26338584
shitcoiners refuse to learn

>>26338285
>Ideally the game theory just works out to keep things going regardless of individual beliefs
I kind of agree with this.
Look at retards like Roger Ver who lost a ton of money and reputation pushing some retarded project to try and capture quick gains.
Although I do find it suspicious he's a felon from selling fireworks yet has multiple citizenships, worked with cia gavin and craig, and is allowed to visit USA again.

>>26338587
Extremely based. Seems like this whole site is overrun with commies and stormfags these days.

>>26338587
Extremely cringe

>>26338584
This, only the feeless and private coins matter.

>>26338843
lol one guy says good other guy says bad

prob a central banker

>>26335177
I do but not bitcoin. it's like watching an army full of 90 year olds charge.

>>26338796
>commies and stormfags
Nice to see people who actually value freedom are on this board. Unlike the two bunches of tyrants mentioned...

>>26335177

You're absolutely not alone, brother.
Without giving away too much, I've been involved with cryptography and other security solutions since 2013; I have absolutely no interest in "making it", though I find it hard to believe that the value in these new and emerging technologies will be minor; that's not to say there will be no growing pains - there has been pain [in all forms], and pain will always exist, along with its counterpart.

The important thing to remember here is that "the cat has left the bag" in such a way as to make return impossible.

>>26335882
Transactions are almost instant retard

>>26335177
The mindset here is frustrating. No one interested in a stable currency, just people trying to hype and coordinate increasing shitcoinx so they can squeeze money out of new suckers. “You’re too late” is the standard response. That validates it can’t be a currency and is just people trying to increase volatility and scam new investors. Was thinking of getting in, but glad I have an investing rule I can’t break, to always paper trade prior. After doing that, see this isn’t a good game.

>>26338262
It's called tail emission, maybe another anon can explain it better but if I'm not mistaken it's so low that until 2040 Monero will still have less supply than Bitcoin

>>26338685
Bro, I'm gonna blackpill you. Bitcoin is only propelled by SR1 era BTC whales. Huge fucking whales. LESS than 500 individuals hold 80% of BTC and can't cash out, literally can't since 2013.

You know what is their only exit strategy? A massive crypto exit pump. What do you think is Coinbase IPO? Soon Binance IPO? The only way to finally exit crypto and washtrade all that money. You can be sure than when all the major crypto institutions successfully IPO, crypto will crash hard and will recover after decades, by then BTC will be a shitcoin like the rest. Ethereum and similar platforms are the ideal.

>>26335403
>he thinks Monero can't be tracked
hehe, cute

>>26338893
True, See you at 100k bitcoin. schizofag.

>>26339044
>schizofag
Llthe darknet markets are switching (or have switched) to Monero. Bitcoin is outdated.

>>26339030
I don't, pic related does, and that's good enough

>>26339012
>Ethereum and similar platforms are the ideal.
You retard! you just said bitcoin is centralized with whales when it was fairly distributed from the very beginning, and then shill ETH which premined 72 million tokens.
Fucking /biz/lets man lol.

I don't care about any of that shit I'm a gambling degenerate I just ride pumps and chase juicy shitcoin 4x gains. It's monopoly money Bitcoin is a meme
I don't know what liquidity means I have never set a stop loss in my life and don't know what you guys are talking about with your big boy finance words ever. I see line go up I buy I see line down I sell and collect my gains

>>26339012
Brainlet, let me explain you.
They bought bitcoin in 2013 when it was worth 6 dollar, now it's worth around 30k, why would they want to sell? at this point they probably bought everything they wanted, car, house, wife, they only cash small amounts to keep living, you're so brainlet

>>26335177
any idealist has moved on to monero
bitcoin is a centralized chinese shitcoin

>>26335177
This is precisely why it's so risky an investment though.
There's absolutely no fucking way they will allow something to exist that is beyond their control.
They will take over ISPs and federally regulate traffic before they allow their currency to be supplanted.

>>26337648

then you are welcome to join the rat race to the bottom of the barrel along with the rest of your keynesian brothers in thought but I and others who aren't willing to be forced to work will not.

>>26339145
It's ok. According to my chart, ygmi.

What's the next coin getting pumped that I can buy on coinbase?

>>26339012
lol how clueless

>>26335902
Retard. Learn to spell then worry about big boy stuff.

Every coin is crashing with BTC because every coin is bot controlled. Is this right?

>>26339147
How did they buy if they didn't sell? Check mate atheists

ideals don't matter, it has always been a way to make money and always will be and it will never be anything different

You’re over-thinking it OP. I just want enough money to not work and still be richer than all my friends and that’s it, really.

>>26335177
What makes you think they can't control it?
>Fud bitcoin
>Print money
>Buy bitcoin
>Own the supply

>>26339147
You don't get it. They CAN'T sell. They have billions and can't sell. You think they can DCA out of the market? It's NOT POSSIBLE. There is no liquidity. The market is held by whales. 1% of BTC makes up all the trading. When some jackass market sell 1k BTC, it's those whales who pay the price to prop the market back up. Nobody even realizes that, it all seems natural. Bro the market is worth 1 trillions dollars, the "volume" is near 200 billion dollars. Go check how much is traded on NYSE. Yeah. Pumping crypto to 10T and doing IPOs are the only way they can actually get out and have billions in real money. Interesting right?
How can we profit from that? Well just get the fuck out when all the platform and crypto "companies" IPO. GET THE HELL OUT OF IT. When proping the market won't be their responsibility anymore, it will the dark age for 10 years

>>26339141
Agree with you, the usecase is the ideal but Ethereum is as shit as BTC. But it doesn't have the same whale problem.

>Does nobody else still believe in this dream?

I was excited about the possibilities of bitcoin from when I first learned about it, around 2012. I was very poor at the time and couldn't afford to play with even a few bucks and I forgot about it for while but would always be happy to hear the news that it was gaining in value and adoption and was sad about the mtgox fud. When I got a steady job I bought my first bitcoins at $200, I encouraged my coworkers to put a little money into it too. Who knows what will happen over time to the coin, but crypto isn't going away.

>>26335659
But a government can mine it,
But a government can ban it within its borders,
But a government can tax unrealized gains or vat transfers into altcoins,
But it will only have real adoption after it's been wholly bought by institutions.
You dumm

>>26335902
Their are people here that take easy bate and they overlap with retards who bought bitcoin at 42k

>>26335177
>Bitcoin Decentralized
Kek are you retarded anon?

>>26337254
do this: ctrl + F + monero

>>26335177
Then you'd be all in on monero

this:
>>26339601
was for this:
>>26337304

>>26339444
Don't call me bro first of all..
Second of all, you're wrong for the second time.
They do sell and they have sold many times, do you think just because they're a "early adopters" they can't sell? right now on coinbase I'm looking at guys selling 10 bitcoin.
I personally bought 0.5 btc in 2020 and already sold it 2 days ago.
BRAINLET.
You don't have to sell 100000million worth of bitcoin, just sell 0,6 here, 0.2 there.. and live your live..

>>26335177
>Does nobody else still believe in this dream?
Some of us do, anon. Some of us still do.

>>26339733
>>26335177
(forgot pic related)

>>26335403
Based

>>26335177
If you actually cared about decentralized private money, you would be shilling about an actual form of decentralized private money. You are clearly just sad your dream of no effort financial security is dead.

>>26339667
It's okay, you just don't understand the scale of the whales domination. That's ridiculous moneyto them. They have hundreds of billions in BTC. THEY HOLD THE MARKET. Not us you retard, them. They can't sell to themselves, can they?

Only solution: exit pump through exchanges, create huge value perception around crypto, huge volume, justify insane valuations of crypto exchanges (again, check the volume of the nyse, paris ex, London ex...), then do IPO, sell stock. Now real money. You won't ever hear that shit from anyone else here, probably.

Just take some time to think about it.

>>26340084
Retard, are you taking about big companys that need to cash out everything or taking about one random whale? because depending on the situation, they use bitcoin as a bank where no one can dictate, they cash out small amount to buy things they need to leave and stuff, why can't you understand that?

>>26338262
>But doesn't monero have a infinite supply of its coin? therefore it can never be very expensive.

Common misconception. You can verify the integrity of the supply by:

>Summing up all the coinbase outputs, which are unmasked (i.e. in the clear).
>Verifying the underlying cryptography (mathematics) of the confidential amounts implementation.
>Verifying the correctness of the implementation in the code.

Those essentially guarantee that the supply has not been maliciously inflated (i.e. unintended inflation has occurred). Note that a similar procedure has to be followed for transparent chains. Furthermore, a hypothetical inflation bug can go unnoticed even on a transparent chain.

https://www.coindesk.com/the-latest-bitcoin-bug-was-so-bad-developers-kept-its-full-details-a-secret

>>26335177
I tried explaining to my friend how big of a deal being your own bank is but refused to believe it has purpose beyond buying drugs

>>26338586
>Why cant all those deepweb market and ISIS just accept bitcoin then transfer their donated bitcoin to monero and cash out?

Because accepting Monero wins hands down as far as OPSEC is concerned.

>>26340084
>You won't ever hear that shit from anyone else here
The idea that all of the whales are acting together in unison is pretty asinine. Of course they all want to expand the market but to act like they are somehow coordinated is really speculative. The order books will never be thick enough to account for the kind of "exit pump" you're talking about.

>>26335177
in it for the tech.
i couldn't sleep after reading Satoshi whitepaper as I knew it was the future
number go up doesn't hurt either.

>>26335895
>this speculation has soured a lot of the technical promise of the field
You are among the old timers, anon

>>26336001
based. consooooomers get the rope

>>26335376
Much agreed. The dollar is worthless. Its dropped more than 50 cents in value since 2000

>I AM IN IT FOR THE TECH BRO

>>26335793
Congrats brother. Some bears want it to drop to 27 before they buy in. I own 5 and I will hold it like gold.

>>26335882
That's why there are exchanges being developed.

>>26335403
i want it to be true. But will this actually ever reach mainstream use or just for dark web purchases.

>>26335177
I care too but I'm kind of an idealistic fag about stuff like that.

What happens when the 21 000 000 bitcoins are all mined? How will the network be protected then?

> inb4: transation fees
kek

>>26335177

What's he that wishes so?
My cousin, Anon? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to Zero, we are enough
To do our project loss; and if to Moon,
The fewer men, the greater share of Bitcoin.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my memes;
It yearns me not if men my lambos drive;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet bitcoin,
I am the most offending soul alive.

>>26335177
>>26341549

Rather proclaim it, Anon, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his withdrawal shall be made,
And fiat for convoy put into his account;
We would not go broke in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to go broke with us.
From this day to the ending of the blockchain,
But we in it shall be rememberèd—
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that loses his stack with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition.
And wagies in their cubicles now at work
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not sending it,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any shitposts.

THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T STOP IT!
We don't even need the internet! We can link nodes via HAM radio if we have to!

Bitcoin is doomed to fail in the future due to how aggressive Governments will come after it so yeah you're the only one. It's a money maker now and will be worthless in the future due to regulation.

>>26341521
>inb4 every bitcoin fags promotes HODL'ing and not spending any of it
kek

>>26335177
Yes I do and I like coding blockchain stuff.
At the same time I hope proof of work dies.

>>26341521
>inb4 someone gives me the correct answer

>>26335177
Exactly why it won’t happen. The entire world, the entire society is okay with curfews and lockdowns as long as the government promises safety. And now the government has their eyes on crypto cause it finds terrorism

>>26335177
>Does nobody else still believe in this dream?
Always have.
Ironically governments mingling with crypto will turn out a complete farce and will show people the light.

>>26335376
They wrote pretty extensively about not letting banks gain control through debt. No one listened. Just like 2A. Just like limited franchise to the body politic. If they were here, they would beat our bitch asses. Fuck, man. I miss them.

>>26335177
I take it one step further as it’s the ultimate kryptonite to the Jews.

>>26335177
BCH is the dream. BTC is banker coin 2.0

>>26335177
Dumb hedgies never bought into the anti-establishment aspects of crypto. They were just motivated by price action. That is why Bitcoin has to fail for crypto to live.
Satoshi had this planned out from the very beginning. He is just waiting for XMR-BTC atomic swaps to do a final leviathan tier rug pull on all the world's banks and smug hedge funds.

I'm starting to see the rumblings of what I expected would be our key to victory.
The elites can't resist the temptation. Even less so than us. They will sell out their cabals for the power of bitcoin because they put their own self interest above everything. When people try about it being a tool for money laundering that is a sales pitch to those in power.
I predict a sudden rapped policy swing in the next 5 years around the world along with new ham handed AML/KYC stuff to look like they care but can be subverted.

>>26340640
that's why they keep doing it over and over again :^)

>>26335177
I care about the ideals, but also want to make money. It's why I hate XRP cocksuckers, because they are basically bending over to let wall street fuck them up the ass all over again. Only, wall street fucked them up the ass before they event got a chance to reach their moonboy dreams.

I fucking hate XRP faggots

>>26335177
Yes. That’s why my only holdings are monero and bitcoin.
Imagine advertisers getting access to chain analysis data once it is perfected this decade; every single purchase/coin movement is transparent they will have the most full consumer spending profiles in which to custom tailor you garbage you don’t need and track every satoshi.
Monero is freedom, anons. Take the monero-pill. Cryptocurrency without monero is a glass-walled restroom and the regulators are outside waiting with bricks.
If you are reading this: I wish good fortune upon you whatever your opinions may be. We’re all in this together. Decentralized money is the ultimate goal, not petty tribalism. Remember that.

>>26335968

You have to spend shit eventually. You either want to or need to.

E.g. people invest in stocks etc. for retirement because they think it will grow, but they do retire and need to pay for shit too.

>>26335177
>Am I the only one on this entire board who actually cares about bitcoin as an ideal?
No. The technology, should it succeed, will decentralize far more than just money. I'm terrified of the hell that awaits if this shit doesn't pan out. 100% srs.

>>26335177
We all do fren
We all do

>>26342988
Check em, brethren.
Good will prevail over evil.

>>26339444
>There is no liquidity.

Bitcoin trade volume is $50-100 billion per day. Quit bullshitting.

>>26343017
payed for Proton Mail and VPN with it. Even purchased a game off steam when they allowed it.

There really is no reason to hold back using it where you can. It helps the network. If you really feel like you wasting it just by more bitcoin after you spend it.

>>26335177
>Am I the only one on this entire board who actually cares about bitcoin as an ideal?
you do realize the retarded bitcoin devs have not improved the code in 10 years leading to where we are now where everyone thinks bitcoin can double spend, right?

you're a worthless lying faggot if you think bitcoin is the ideal blockchain, and right on the verge of eth 2.0 solving the scaling problem too. you're a disgrace to this board and you need to stop posting immediately

Sorry for my bad english beforehand.

I'm from Argentina. Here we have near 30% annual inflation and 166 taxes. To an avarage employee cost like 25 yers of entire salary(300USD per month) to buy a 2 debrooms apartment. We has been educated to spend all our money before it devaluates or buy USD to avoid loss, but recently our state put restrictions tu exchange currency in the banks.

I really love the ideal of desentralized currency or at least the possibility that can help people in communist based countries to defend our earnings.

Al the people that hold any cryptocurrency for the sake of this kind of economy i want to say thank you. And the ones who wants to make it wish you good luck!

>>26338262
Bitcoin has a hard cap of 21 million. Monero has no cap but inflation approaches zero with time. When you hear about inflation what seems to matter is always the rate of inflation not necessarily the amount of actual "items" being added to the pool. Also, a lot of people dont realize it but gold has an inflation of around 2% last time I checked. Anyways, because Moneros inflation rate approaches zero scarcity provably will not be an issue.

>>26343722
>everyone thinks bitcoin can double spend
not everybody, only some retarded journalist

>>26339506
>gov can mine it
sure, dosnt give them control though until they own 51%
>But a government can ban it within its borders,
lol they can try and fail.
>But a government can tax unrealized gains or vat transfers into altcoins,
no they cant
>But it will only have real adoption after it's been wholly bought by institutions.
bitcoin will never be adopted.

>>26335968
Because I also need to eat to survive.

>>26335177
Why do you think we're never selling?

>>26335678
This is the case when there is no Bitcoin-based income or cash flow.

>>26335177
Probably. Everyone who cares about the ideals moves to Monero.

>>26339444
Dumbest post i read on here all day

>>26337361
You cannot fight criminal enterprise through money. You fight it by attacking the values of the illegal goods and services they provide.

>>26339506
It already has adoption, and if you want to see wht its like if the government bans it, just look at any country that is hostile to crypto.

People just don’t declare it and use privacy coins for transactions.
The arms of the government are so weak on crypto and they are getting weaker all the time.
The time to snuff it out was 10 years ago.
Now countries that ban crypto will be left in the dust forever.

The US can ban crypto and the dollar will be worthless in 10 years while everyone uses crypto for all transactions.

Personally I’d prefer a reliable 0 inflation digital yuan to dollars

>>26340762
BTC Core completely ignores the whitepaper

>>26335177
>I just want a future with decentralized money that no government can control.
About that... banks tend not to like holdings that make 10% moves in the course of a day. You may not believe in the dollar, but 4.5 billion people do, and that keeps its value pretty steady. Banks like steady. That's why the dollar will buy you a fucking cheeseburger and BTC will buy you fake acid and blurry CP on the darkweb.

>>26337711
>some feeless coins
There's only one and that's NANO. Checked.

>>26338049
>IOTA
centralized and broken by design

>>26341676
Bitcoin maybe
But Crypto is the future

>>26335659
>The first currency you can use to donate to Wikileaks, Al Queda, or charity with, retard.
Literally, have you never heard of paper currency? Go ask the Brits why they stopped printing 50£ notes or why the Burgers had to design the $100.

>>26335177

>>26345362
those are centrally controlled tho. the sovereign issuer can declare them no longer legal tender

>>26335177
>Does nobody else still believe in this dream
Yes, provided you mean that the world needs a decentralized store of value, not some cash payment system for letting undesirables buy coffee.

>>26335177
To answer your first question: No.
Your second question: Yes.
Here's my question: A drink?