/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>26297392
Shhh. Delete this thread.

what an obnoxious cunt

>>26297608
>>26297392
what a pajeet

Our boy Craig is finally standing up to the jews who control blockstream. Thank you based Craig!

>>26297392
Why isn't he in jail?

A lawyer can't "order" something removed. Only a court judge can do that

>>26297660

Yeah, about that...

https://bitcoin.org/en/posts/regarding-csw

>>26297392
Craig Kike isn't Satoshi Nakamoto.
He is a tool to draw Satoshi out of hiding

>>26297774
I think the dude is just addicted to public humiliation.

Literal who

>>26298014
Me thinks he has pubic frustration.

>>26297392
this cretin has larped long enough as satoshi

>>26297392
I haven't paid attention to crypto in about two years, did we finally confirm Craig is Satoshi? When's he killing (((bitcoin)))

>>26298351
A couple of months ago a message was signed by 150 satoshi wallets from 2010 craig claimed to own, calling him a liar and a fraud. Personally I just think the jews hacked his private keys to frame him.

>>26297660
This. Double digit IQ biz letting it slide

kek what a loser. imagine missing out on the gbr because you believed a literal faggot from a former prison colony.

cope harder faggots, CSW wins

>>26298892
Yes you can though, through threat of legal action from a cease and desist.

t. My sisters black boyfriends dad is a lawyer

TICK TOCK COREKEKS

UH OH PLAYTIMES OVER COREKEKS

>>26299271
>>26299304
cringe

OH NO NO NO

>>26299236
>t. My sisters black boyfriends dad is a lawyer
LMAO good one follow autist, here is an upboat!

>>26297392
core jews will bend the knee to the anglo bwc

>>26297392
All this nigger has to do to prove he created bitcoin is show that he holds the private keys to satoshi's wallets. But he can't even do that because he is a lying negro and anyone who takes him seriously has brain aids.

>>26299594
>he doesnt know
oh boy youre corekeks are in for a world of pain

>>26299347
Royal fork? What does he mean by that?

>>26299618
Fuck off Craig. We all know it's you posting, and we're all laughing at you.

Just announcing you're going to transfer X number of BTC between two specific wallets on a certain date and time, then do it. That's all you have to do. Don't give me the "wants to maximize profit bullshit. Just a few sats is all that's needed, but it won't happen, because this dude is a fucking retard. Fuck him.

>>26297483
it's all over the reddit
i have to go back

Craig has always been a larping loser financed by Calvin and has always failed. Remember that history repeats itself, so wait for his next fiasco.

>>26297392
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cKbPNFUHLYM
>I remember reading it
>probably when I wrote it

>>26299347
based

>>26299663
It's a chess move

>>26297392
what a fucking retard

>>26299850
you think csw transferring even just a few sats from a known satoshi wallet would not move btc price?

God bless you retards xD

>>26300117
Ah, thank you

>>26300157
if that's the case, I'd genuinely like to know why. I don't want to be retarded.

>>26297608
trying to fud us out of vitalik's shit like eth and pnk. this is not good. tired of these guys

The people here defending Craig are just larping, right? No one is really that stupid... RIGHT?

>>26300197
that's the spirit anon!
Well if he were to do something like that publicly, immediately the whole world would "know" that craig wright is satoshi (owner of probably 1million+ btcs that he plans to sell), this will cause people to sell their btc en masse cause they predict the price to crash by csw selling. Therefore the price would crash and csv would not be able to sell his btc for much.

Now if he wanted to maximize the cash he can get from selling his btc, he would try to sell them unnoticed, starting from more recent addresses, ideally around an ATH...
https://twitter.com/murphsicles/status/1350605679799791620?s=20

who knows..

This faggot is utterly shameless

>>26297392
I hate this cunt so much. There's zero fucking proof he's Satoshi and people still go along with his ramblings.

>>26300351

If that's the logic then why would he go around saying he is Satoshi in the first place? He would just keep quiet.

The fact that he's claiming to be Satoshi is the single biggest piece of evidence that he isn't Satoshi.

>>26297392
Satoshi is dead, long live Shitoshi

>>26300621
He didn't, but most people dont know or the full story.
He stayed hidden as much as he could, but all hell broke loos in 2015. Some of his coworkers realized he's satoshi, news got out. He got hacked and hackers were extorting him to send them btc or they would expose him as satoshi.
He didn't send btc. Hackers dumped documents to newspapers exposing him as satoshi. He got sued by Ira Kleiman claiming his dead brother Dave collaborated with him on the creation of Bitcoin so he owes him half of the satoshi coins.

Before 2015 he managed to stay hidden, despite already having founded bitcoin-related companies in 2009 and included btc in his tax filings since 2009..
At this point he was forcefully outed as satoshi and had no option but to go along with it

>>26299304
Kek he’s clearly the evil villain in the story. Satoshi is out there somewhere face palming at this absolute child.

>>26297392
>>26297483
>>26297663
>>26299009
>>26299304
>>26299347
>>26299578
>>26299618
THANK YOU COME AGAIN SIRTOSHI

>>26297741
Ahum...

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HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA...

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>26300878
>Hackers dumped documents to newspapers exposing him as satoshi

No such documents exist.

If he was Satoshi he would have done what every other "exposed" person did. Simply deny that he is Satoshi.

>>26297392
>claims to have invented censorship resistant money
>trying to censor his censorship resistant invention
This guy is obviously a paid cia shill trying to cause drama in the crypto community to stop it's adoption. You're as stupid as the Qtards on /pol/ if you believe this man.

>>26301029
did you miss the articles from Gizmodo and whatnot back then?
The documents were there, mainly the transcript of his case with the australian tax office, which showed they had problem with how to classify the bitcoins he'd been mining since 2009, and were contesting the loan he got from the tulip trust as a liability for research on bitcoin (tax-writeoff), the hackers dumped some tulip trust documents as well.
At that point he could not entirely deny his early involvment in btc, but was just saying vague things like he was involved very early on.. he was part of the original team.. etc.
Then people started attacking him and insulting him for being a fraud and whatnot, and only after that he started defending himself saying he's satoshi and going to court for it. It was a gradual process

>>26300878
Get help anon, it's for your own good

>>26297638

>>26300997
"as this site is about Bitcoin Core (a specific implementation), not about Bitcoin in general"
"specific implementation", what did they mean by that?
>https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/740

>>26301573
that sentence is taken out of context, he was criticizing revisionist people who want to cancel western books and art because of the white patriarchy, showing the flaw in their thinking since western culture always had contributions from non-whites

>>26301616
theyre already backpedalling and trying to distance themselves from the bitcoin brand new (which Craig owns the copywright to). they know they fucked up and whats coming down the pipe. tick tock corecucks

>>26297608
Fucking aggravates me so much seeing how burgers make the middle finger. Why can't they do even one simple thing right?

Middle finger = middle finger sticking up. Craig's version is the typical English / Commonwealth model that any civilized person would use. You can clearly see what its trying t o denote, and it has connotations of power and firmness.

Now look at this example. Its weak, pathetic, open handed, knuckles not even in line with each other, ring finger splayed out. Its not even a comfortable or natural position for the fingers.

>>26301677
yup, they know that legally they cannot defend their position. This will be a fun one

>>26301479
so he just kept doubling down on a lie, going slowly insane basically?

>>26301616
>https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/740
It means they're covering their asses legally. BTC devs are not ready to hold a strong defense.

>>26299009
Cool, bsv is still losing in sats though...since ages

>>26301815
yes, and publishing ~800 patents in the meantime and funding several companies, all proof that he's a fraud right? If it was a lie the real satoshi or somebody close to him could have easily disproven this, but nope... silence...

A lot of glowies in this thread. Terry would be VERY disappointed how low our intelligence has gotten since he left us. Stop following a conman.

>>26300351
He literally said in court under oath he doesnt have access to the priv keys...

>>26299271
>>26299304
>>26299347
TRUST THE PLAN. THE GREAT CRYPTO AWAKENING COMES.

I wonder what Hal Finney would think about this pathetic idiot trying to steal his work

>>26301973

The trustees have access to the keys. Craig was not a trustee himself until very recently. Keep up anon

>>26301973
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=what+is+a+trust

>>26302069
you have such a low IQ that you should probably kys

>>26302122

Do you know what a trust is?

>>26302122
checked and seconded

>>26297392
Pls to be buying the real satoshi bision, vishnu in the blockchains sir

>>26300312
>No one is really that stupid... RIGHT

>>26297392
Can someone please explain what’s going on as if I were a redditor? Who is Wright, and what implications does this have?

>>26302386
Creg invented Bitcoin. Bitcoin is BSV. Craig doesn't like other coins using the name Bitcoin like BCH and BTC. He's using his intellectual property rights to begin enforcing that now.
Meanwhile the only thing BTC has going for itself is store of value, which is basically reputation based. Which means its entire value proposition is based on its name. If I have to explain what happens to BTC price if Creg wins, you're dumber than even a redditor.

It's really simple. If Craig really were Satoshi, he'd be able to spend bitcoin from the original Satoshi wallet(s). He never has, therefore he's full of shit and should be ignored.

>>26297392
>>26302536

lmao that stupid FUD. Asking to remove a MIT licensed whitepaper. Good luck sell low buying higher anon

>>26302386
He's some stupid negro pretending to be Satoshi. Even though there's a mountain of reasons confirming he isn't he keeps insisting and his cult keeps following him. The only thing that will come out of this lawsuit is everyone on /biz/ LAUGHING at the bsvtards whenever this goes nowhere.

>>26302556
huh, hmm wonder what happened a just few days ago..

https://twitter.com/murphsicles/status/1350605679799791620?s=20

Adam Back is Satoshi.

>>26302579
Wrong-a-long-a-ding-dong.

>>26302386
It's easy:

>>26302536
This is a high iq post

>>26302605
This is a low iq post

>>26302750
>Adam Back
even though, the dude can't prove he's satoshi, so good luck removing a whitepaper which is basically public property now

If pic related happens I might just coom in my pants.
Whoever made this infograph called BSV a fork, that's wrong though, BTC is the fork.

>>26302790
>can't prove he's satoshi

And what if, that very foundational assumption you're making was wrong?
Just saying, if you're a smart investor you should always hedge your risk..

>>26302690
Although there is still a lot of room for plausible deniability, there is a lot more reason to believe this guy is Satoshi than Craig Wright. The dude's name is literally the first name mentioned in the whitepaper.

>>26302836
The dude is desperate. If you are the real satoshi you're not going to launch a coin named "Bitcoin, Bob version" because you are named Bob. If you are satoshi, you sign with your keys and lead the world.

But if you are satoshi, you most importantly never show yourself because you would be insta-killed. It's not that I'm 95% sure he's not satoshi, I am 100% confident.

>>26302884
>publish your first anonymous paper trying really hard to stay anonymous
>cite his own paper in the first citation

SO TRUE!

>>26303019
you people are such newfags it really shows you werent there when things unfolded

see
>>26300878

>>26303019
Bro you sound like the only thing you should be 100% certain of is how to operate a forklift.

>>26303104
you are a retard if you think Satoshi is anyone else except Bill Gates.

>>26297392
>bitcoin dot org

>>26303138
You retards don't understand that Satoshi is dead, long live Bitcoin.
And I'm don't hold ANY BTC, not a maxi here

>>26297392
I wonder what his lawyers are thinking when they do this. Are they laughing at him behind his back as hard as we are? Happy to have a continuous supply of money from an autist who will do anything?

>>26303238
>He doesn't know

>>26303354
kek
I wonder what's funnier, having this retard spending all his time to get attention on his drama, or the fact that nobody even cares? (incels here don't count as "somebody")

>>26303419
Can anyone defend the fact that this guy launched BSV? Anyone here actually think that the real Satoshi would have done something as desperate than that?

If he's the real SN and lost his keys and launched BSV to have some piece of the cryptospace he starded but missed.... lmao I just can't accept this possibilty. TOP KEK

>>26303501
He just split the protocol before it became a mess. First with BCH to avoid segwit in 2017, then with BCH to avoid certain OP_codes that altered the legality of the coin drastically. How are people invested in a coin they do zero research for, truly mind-bottling. BCH and BTC are (soon to be were) the Jewish attacks on Bitcoin.

>>26303670
I hope this kind of replies are written for the love of kek

>>26303163
This but unironically:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMelZQ9TgWk

>>26303817
What's topkek is that even though Wraight may have written the whitepaper, I'm sure he did not do any of the implementation. A pure jewish son a bitch

>>26303501
This shows how illiterate you are about bitcoin, when some nodes want to change the protocol there is a split of those following new rules and old rules.

Craig wright didn't "launch BSV", he just tried to preserve the original bitcoin by refuting changes to the protocol (by core first, and then by abc), and keep mining using the ruleset closest to the original vision in the Bitcoin whitepaper.

See this:
>>26303670

>>26303883
Post photo of your foreskin, anon

>>26303817
But unironically he's wrong "there is no indicator of any money inflow, it's all tether press". Crypto user x4ed in the last 2 YEARS, x4 ! Read Cambridge studies or EU/AMF reports. There IS a real influx of money, just look at the volume of major coins. It's not Tether.

it's what some anons call "nocoiner cope"

>>26303894
No what you don't understand is that Bitcoin is a decentralized protocol and its changes are part of its life, even Nakamoto said so in 2010-2011 Bitcointalk posts. Consensus happens on chain and off chain.
> he just tried to preserve the original bitcoin by refuting changes to the protocol
This is why this makes no sense, and why Nakamoto would never do that because that's fucking stupid. Are you seriously saying I don't understand what is a fork? lmao. BSV is just like ETC: a fart in the wind.
>>26303942
lmao, congratz because I'm actually french

>>26304031
>BSV is just like ETC: a fart in the wind.
This shows you don't understand forks, ETH is a fork of ETC, ETC followed the original consensus rules.
Anyway ETH is not even in the same ballpark as bitcoin since it was premined and basically controlled by a central party

>Nakamoto said so in 2010-2011 Bitcointalk posts
You are retarded. Satoshi was not on Bitcointalk in 2011, he had already disappeared (in fact he was never on bitcointalk, the forum content got copied over). Anyway show me such a post if you remember it, i remember him saying that the protocol has been set in stone since version 0.1:
https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/bitcointalk/126/#selection-32.0-32.13

>>26299236
Why is he black?

>>26304241
> This shows you don't understand forks, ETH is a fork of ETC, ETC followed the original consensus rules.

"The original consensus rules", grow up! That's naive as fuck. The consensus is the consensus, it's not a network-only thing. ETH is the main chain, always has been, always will be.

We don't give a fuck technically how you view the chains, it's not relevant at all, you know that right? The DAO hack happened, the network fucked the hacker by forking, because it was in the interest of 99.9999% of the network participants. It has shown strength and resilience from both off-chain and on-chain consensus. I actually don't know anyone with a brain that can argue differently.

> You are retarded. Satoshi was not on Bitcointalk in 2011
Bro maybe 2010 I don't recall perfectly, I'm sure I can find it, he said that several times with different wordings

>>26303894
correct.
>geek makes software
>chad 1 makes him fork by swaying opinion with reddit censorship
>chad 2 makes him fork by adding a check to consensus that the block was signed by their abc node
>geek goes legal route
>OOOO satoshi would never do that

>>26297392
No one that matters cares

>>26304492
you are the other anon are the kind of people that scream "it's not the original rules nooooooo" "it's not what was written line 67 of bitcoin_protocol.cpp

Who the fuck cares? BTC is the one that's going to >$1T valuation, it's over!

>>26304690
>BTC is the one that's going to >$1T valuation, it's over!
>13 pots by this ID
then why are you nervously posting ITT?

>>26302790
seems like he already did

>>26298712
Remember when an anon on here posted that he owned the wallets and he was going to sign them? Anybody have that screenshot?

>>26305589
I would also like to see this

Anyway I hope satoshi reveals itself, it would destroy the mistery that is behind BTC, and probably (after a nice crash) bootstrap an altcoin season that will last forever.

a lot of you core cucks are in for a rude awakening
its aslready happening newfrens
tick tock

>>26305924
smartest thing said on this thread. Half based

>>26305985
what's fun is that the network won't even blink.
Whitepaper drama, lmao... we would have seen all kinds of FUD in 3 months, damn what's next? Quantum computing attacks in march?

>>26305924
The strange part is that two of the people Craig claims to have worked with as Satoshi Nakamoto both died...

>>26306058
>what's next?
we can only speculate
but keep in mind Craig Wright also owns the copyright for the Bitcoin name and ticker symbol
hmmmmm

>>26297392
He's not satoshi, he's a scammer you dumb fucking pajeet

>>26303419
Based

Don't worry guys, ive just saved the whitepaper to my PC. Going to upload it all around the net. Come after me craig.

>>26297392
I don't know who this guy is.

But this Kike Jew is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto.

Just another typical Jewish fraud trying to collect shekels with his corrupt Jewish tricks.

>>26306169
but a Spanish dude bought the Bitcoin brand a year ago if I recall correctly. I guess this BSV bullshit is burger only drama?

>>26306276
would be a shame if..it was already uploaded on SWARM and IPFS right?

>>26306276
forwarded to creg

Is this shitsmear really back from the grave? This is really peak neocon shit right here. Using force to influence the market to use your product. Kek.

>>26306276
>>26306871

UPLOADED IT ON SWARM:
https://swarm-gateways.net/bzz:/62fef7471928b40bbe81b31155156736eb862f4a07c35aa7afa25b578293104b/bitcoin.pdf

Each time someone of you downloads it delays the deletion of the file. It's basically forever now.

> whitepaper is still on bitcoin.org though
https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

>>26298351
Wasn't the story that he paid people to find keys of very old wallets so he could pass as SN? IIRC there was a post from him on the bitcoin forum.

wtf is a whitepaper

>>26301753
based autism

>>26306950
the neocon shit is blockstream trying to subvert the bitcoin project, obtaining control of the github, reddit and website, banning gavin and every single big blocker from the platforms, and using their connection to exchanges to keep the name Bitcoin despite their major segwit changes

>>26307065
there was a post of someone trying to buy early coins from a miner on bitcointalk, but it is unknown who it was

>>26307454
Shut up faggot. If you don't want to use Bitcoin then don't use Bitcoin. This is so retarded. Craig Wright and BSV shills are out here preaching laserdisc technology while the world moves on to streaming.

>>26307600
Don't use, just hodl ;)

>>26307399
Paper was material used to store information on in the before times. It was made of woodpulp or something and people would 'write' on it, like people would actually write letters on it as if it was a phone except once written you couldn't erase so they had to pulp more wood.

>>26307600
Thanks, actually I use bitcoin every day tens of times per day, mainly on twetch, enjoying my sub-cent transaction fees.

How often do you use your 10$-transaction-fee-"""Bitcoin"""?
The world has moved on from your 1MB laserdisc, we are on tera-blocks now baby

>>26301657
This. Craig is too much of a boomer to be completely redpilled on the JQ, but he is very very far away from being on board the globohomo train.
>>26304031
>Consensus happens on chain and off chain
Jewish hands typed this

>>26307852
yes, to add to this, initially paper was yellow-ish, but during time they devised technologies to produce white paper, so that the contrast with the letters written on it would be higher, hence "whitepaper".

>>26305985
The reality is starting to sink in for Greggles and Co.

>>26297392
The capitulation is real LOL

https://twitter.com/CobraBitcoin/status/1352263301657485314

>>26308062
the reality is that if all that FUCKING NO COINER FUD drama was real, altcoins would be pumping as fuck, and ETH would be at 2.5k by now

>>26308172
blame the boomers who dont even know the diffrent between bitcoin and a stock

>>26308288
but the boomers don't even care about Bitcoin core or this nerd stuff that probably interest max 2000 retards on the planet.

They will keep pumping that shit until we reach 10T, that's simple

Ok, well today's been fun BSVbros. Now it's time for another 6 months of blue balls probably.

>>26308584
this dude is legit retarded and can't even write his thoughts properly, but somehow people believe he invented one of the best tech of the last 30 years?

>>26305985
>we've got to defend our devs
>something must be done
holy cringe

>>26309013
Remember, HODL! Don't use!

But hasnt it already been confirmed that Sergey Nazarov is Satoshi?

>>26309319
nice slide, kike

>>26300520
he could just do a transaction from the satoshi address and it will all be clear. why is that so hard for him to do?

>>26299975
english isn't your first language or are you more autistic than he is?

>>26298351
Bounded courier will arrive in 10 minutes sir!

>>26308662
he talks into a mic and the text comes out but his accent fucks up the words

>>26309488
www.hownu.ru

>>26297392

>>26308662

>>26309945
yeah someone who can't even use a keyboard to shitpost typed out bitcoin codebase alone. sounds legit.

>>26297392
What a retard, he should just anhero himself already.

>>26309945
this dude talks into a mic like he's handicaped?
Every info pushes the level a little lower.

>>26297392
Where is the proof that he is Satoshi?

>>26310101
okay newfag it's not like i actually saw him explain it and can even tell the word he most likely spoke to generate the incorrect text

keep up

>>26310092
based

>>26310101
>multiple degrees
>authored multiple papers and books
>taught university classes
>hundreds of patents in his name

*hurr durr he cant even write xD*

>>26310184
it's faster when you're saying multiple sentences and especially if you're a boomer on a phone with thick fingers

>>26302026
was it the smile?

>>26310280
how can we ever believe a fucking boomer invented Bitcoin though? They can't even use Excel after 25 years

>>26309686
Some say the lone bonded courrier is still swimming through the atlantic en route.

All he has to do is move one satoshi from his wallet to another that he owns to prove it.

He fucking can't.

>>26308584
Why is this guy such as cunt. No way someone this egotistical invented Btc.

>Creg proved he actually has all these degrees. but it doesnt matter!
>Creg proved bitcoin can scale onchain. but it doesnt matter!
>Creg got the copyright for the bitcoin whitepaper and name. but it doesnt matter!
>Creg won his court case against hodlonaut. But it doesnt matter!
YOU ARE HERE
>Creg won the court case against Ira Kleiman. but it doesnt matter!
>Creg actually signed the message. but it doesnt matter!
>Creg dumped a million BTC and bought BSV. but it doesnt matter!

Why won't he use the key satoshi made public and sign a transaction for everyone to see?

If I ever see this nigga in Sydney imma one punch kill him in Minecraft.

>>26302761
There is a correlation to trump supporters and CSW

>>26310609
nothing craig does without a proper verifiable signature matters he is still a liar and a fraud.

>>26297392
this guy really convinced himself hes satoshi. this is sad

>>26310805
he is a compulsive liar and a narcissitic sociopath.

>>26310779
poor little baby

>>26308062
>tether fud
>kyc wallet fud
>yellen fud
>environmental fud
>kyc wallet fud
>biden tax fud
>china fud
>bitcoin futures fud
>cz looking at blacked porn fud
and now
>satoj write whitepaper fud
it's almost as if there is an organized and well coordinated campaign to fud btc during a rally that has caused supply shock. Intredasting...

>>26310943
you do realize that craig have promised this and that since 2015 and nothing came true. so far nada.

2021 will be the year of BSV

https://www.kowr.gov.pl/pobierz-plik/410708

>>26311012
>it's almost as if there is an organized and well coordinated campaign to fud btc
it definitely is, but i think this was not part of it it's just usual curry cashie shenanigans to pump their dying shitcoin. happens from time to time.

>>26311042
nah, it will be the year sv falls out of top 20
already out of top 10... which must make you seethe uncontrollably non stop.

>>26311034
creg literally said his timeframe is 2026

The bsv shills in this thread are making me giggle. These are the most delusional people on /biz/

>>26311146
he said a lot of things... most of them absolutely make no sense. he also changed his testimony in court like 4 or 5 times. he also submitted like a gazillion word documents none of which has a shred of actual verifiable proof in it.

Someone should tweet at Nick Szabo and tell him to sue Wright. Americans do love a good lawsuit, after all.

>>26311237
so why does anon care so much is it's 100% fraud?

I want to believe.

>>26311320
it's a trainwreck you just want to see

>>26311453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D37aUdKcD3o
picrelated is actually very funny, but it's an insane asymmetric bet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlCPkmb6cuY

>>26311453
seems legit from personal exp