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Germany: ~2500€ after tax (per month)
>>26145956pump
>>26145956>Germany: ~2500€ after tax (per month)lol the MEDIAN income after tax in germany is 1,600 eurokeep coping hans
>>26146234LOL. Do europoors really?
>>26145956Why do you need to show everyone that you are a poor yuropoor?
>>26146234Yeah, but I asked for the average income anon
>>26145956UK£2000 after tax pm
>>26146282We have free everything. Free healthcare, free housing if we lose our job, money for food if we lose our job. We don't need 1 billion dollars in our bank to pay for 1 hospital bill so it's okay to have less money. Unironically not a cope, we are doing better.
>>26146311>poor yuropoor?Why is Europe even that poor after all?
>>26145956Netherlands 3400 EUR
>About to start career with a simple Bsc.>Already above averageGet Ficked
>>26145956Spain: We don't do salaries
>>26145956> after tax taxation is quite individual. wouldn't it be better to compare the gross income instead of net income?
Lithuania €750I'm a doctor and make €1100 tho
>>26146317>I asked for the average income anonyeah because you are coping hardyou know the billionaires are pulling the average number up while the real average wagie is poor as shit in germanythats why Germ*ids always talk in gross income or average income because they secretly know theyre poor as shit but they also want to be smug about living in their socialist nanny statekeep coping Hans
>>26146282>>26146311lmao, they really have no idea dont they? look at these actual poor people.ambulance ride is 2k in US hahahahaahah
>>26145956>India>5 rupees per post
>>26146379>be american>get shot>$300,000 in medical billslmao
>>26146378no its because that is what you can actually spend you debt slave fucking tranny loving nigger faggetwhy dont you go spam some more threads huh?> and fuck off
>>26145956>Mfw GreeceGod I want some sweet remote gig at some uk or swiss company god fucking DAMN IT
>>26146323>free everything. Free healthcare, free housingfuck no. nothing is free. you don't paying doesn't mean nobody is paying.
>>26146336the yurofags love being poorthey love it when the government takes all their money and gives them "free" (lol) healthcare in returenthey love it to pay for immigrants, green energy and now the new CO2 taxthe yuros are the biggest cucks on the planetwe should pity them and encourage them to do better
>>26146376>1100 for being a doctorLmao
>>26146418>THOSE BREADSTICKS ARENT FREE! IM SUING OLIVE GARDEN>t. retard
>>26146411be us, cancer, treatment for years, hoispital rides every week, recover>PAY 0 >Be US, get the flue1 MILLION USD
>>26146323>We have free everything.Wrong>Free healthcare,You pay for it through taxes and have to wait literally months until you can see a specialist>free housing if we lose our job,Again, not free. You pay for it while working with a socialist bureaucracy bonus on top>money for food if we lose our job.Same as above>We don't need 1 billion dollars in our bank to pay for 1 hospital bill so it's okay to have less money.Insurance companies pay that you retard. Those are cheaper than our forced shit btw.>Unironically not a cope, we are doing better.If you are a leech then yes. Otherwise that's not true, Sören.
>>26146413>t. triggered yuropoor
>>26145956>EU hates europeansGermankeks project is to raise the entire EU salary to 1000-1400€, so when you ask "why we are staling" then yes, you've been basically being robbed to make niggerslavs richer.Let's not forget the real niggers import.
>>26146452>hahaha eurpoor cope cope copesure man, alwaays the same, they can only do mediocre insults and have 0 actual intelligence in their comments.
>>26146443kek every health decent job in the US has subsidized health insuranceits literally cheaper than private health insurance in lots of euro countriesbut keep coping and enjoy your "free" healthcare (paid literally for by your taxes lmao)like I said the yuropoors love being poor they wouldnt have it any other way
>>26146501>its literally cheaper than private health insurance in lots of euro countriesBecause literally nobody buys private health insurance in Europe cunt
>china>bowl of rice per bbc post
France: $31.3k median income after taxWorldwide: $9,733EU: $17.5k
>>26145956>EUEnjoy being robbed by those pricks to give gibs to niggers and make the niggerslavs rich (((delocalizing))) your companies
>>26146501>literally no its not you fucking baboon haha, you dont even know how ours work so how can you come to that conclusion?You have no idea how fucked you guys are right? You personnaly maybe not due to your crypto stack but, the rest bro.. stop being a hater and try to learnits called a discussion, you should try it.
>>26146446>Insurance companies pay that you retard. Those are cheaper than our forced shit btw.I heard that even with insurance it is expensive as fuck.Becuase insurance companies made deals with hospitals.So a pill for $5 is all of the sudden for $1000 and with insurance it is $200cope and dilate and don't forget to feel the american pride as you see every second billboard with black transgender obese model
>>26146526>literally nobody buys private health insurance in Europe cuntjesus christ you yuros are coping so hard everybody with some money gets private health insurance in Germany, because its 10 times better than the "free" health insuranceI guess you wouldnt know since youre poor lmao
>>26145956I think this number Shows how fucked up Germany is. Working their asses Off, productivity through the roof and gettin paid like a hungarian truck driver. Its plain amazing.Germany is basicly wagedumping so someone even thinks about buyin german stuff. If germany adjusts their wages to value and productivity noone would pay for their stuff. Wages would be way higher...and im talkin about average income post-tax 4k.
>>26145956£2000 after tax per mo.>>26146282Median salary in USA is only like $2500/month after tax aswell lol.
>>26145956Average is useless, you want to look at median income.
>>26146576nobody does man, why doe you keep acting like you fucking know? you dont man
>>26146234>asks for average>replies with mediandisgusting
>>26146576Checkmate mutt
>>26146544So monthly, after tax:Worldwide: $811 / monthEU (27 countries): $1450 / monthFrance: $2650 / month
>>26146421>they love it to pay for green energy and now the new CO2 taxActually don't mind that, lol.Much rather have my kids grow up breathing clean air and drinking clean water.
>>26146594You are right anon. Germany is a rich country, but the average German is a poor faggot
Germany3k after tax
>>26146614>nobody does manyou are absolutely peak wagiein germany you need to make 60+ before you can even choose private health insurancemost wagies are way too broke to afford that and get over the "versicherugnspflichtgrenze"the people who make money in germany all opt for private ihealth insurance because instead of waiting for 3 months for a doctors appointment you get it in one weekand state health insurance doesnt get you half the treatment optiosn you get with private insurancefor example try getting ceramic inlays at your dentist if youre a state insured fag. literally not in the catalogue and only available for privately insured peoplekeep coping you poor yuro lmao
>>26146709OH shit sorry I thought you wanted our salary. Germany is a shit hole with way to high taxes so we all stay perpetually enslaved
>>26146656>Actually don't mind that, lol.>Much rather have my kids grow up breathing clean air and drinking clean water.see I told youthe yuros love being poor and paying taxes for SJW causesthey LOVE it and actually demand more taxes and immigrants
>>26146446ThisNothing is free, you are just leeching out of the hyper taxed working class
>>26146713I am Danish. What if I move to Germany to cash out my LINKy. What kind of insurance do I need there?
>>26146604>>26146605Really activates your almonds huh
>>26146656Absouletly retarded, Germany is responsible for less then 1% of global emissions and shit but nooo we gotta paaaay and save the world. The mindset of Germans is one of slavery
>>26146713so? the fact that you can doesnt mean people do it you mongloid.If people are so poor then thye wouldnt be able to afford it right? ur delusional man.Dont you have tranny thread on /b/ to refresh?
>>26146633Imagine your government using nearly 2x more of your tax money to pay for healthcare, than the nearest country, and you STILL have to pay for health insurance.Americans are so cucked ngl.
>>26146736Germany is better than France because at least things are cheap in Germany, whereas the French get shafted by taxes and prices together. UK has lower taxes than both but insane rent prices so is also shit
>>26146761You can just get on the public health plan, it's like 250 a month
800 EUR after tax. Latvia.
>>26146713its 10%, ill give you that. But the only reason for that is waiting lines and we were discussing the cost in comparision to salary with tax.
>>26146376Even McD pattyflippers earn 1300-1400€ here. Feelsbadman
>>26146807Also wages are fucked in the UK but yeah you're right
>>26146816How are you higher than us in LT potatobro?
>>26146411KekAlso Zlovenia here, 1000 euro median, 1200 euro average after taxes incl. 35 eur deduction for living here.
>>26146594The wages are high enough. They're just eaten up by the insane taxes and social security costs.
>>26146801Medicare only provides free healthcare for illegals yet costs more per capita than European health systems lmao
>>26146754>see I told you>the yuros love being poor and paying taxes for SJW causesHow are your man-tits from hormone treated milk?>>26146778It's not about that lol, if I walk down the street I dont want to breathe in pollutants from some small dick cunt trying to compensate with a big truck.
>>26145956Median salary which is minimum wage about 470 european dollars
>>26146855I pay like 450 euros/month into the public pension fund, that's money I'll never see again. Shits so fucked
>>26146875Typical German mindset, verbieten verbieten verbieten. How often does that fucking happen you absolut retard? That's right, never
>>26146811At TK or where? And as what should I register? Crypto Milionare?
Bongland house prices
>>26146898Yep, I know right, used to pay pension elsewhere in EU, that's money I'm double not seeing again.
there really is no hope for yuropoors just look at the morons ITT they actually love being enslaved and paying through the noseRIP yuro wealth and prosperity
300$ pookraine
>>26145956Your average income varies drastically. (pre tax.)1. Hamburg 5.001 Euro2. Hessen 4.919 Euro3. Baden-Württemberg 4720 Euro4. Bayern 4700 Euro5. Berlin 4453 Euro6. Nordrhein-Westfalen 4453 Euro7. Bremen 4453 Euro8. Rheinland-Pfalz 4213 Euro9. Niedersachsen 4157 Euro10. Saarland 4078 Euro11. Schleswig-Holstein 3963 Euro12. Brandenburg 3540 Euro13. Sachsen 3515 Euro14. Sachsen-Anhalt 3468 Euro15. Thüringen 3366 Euro16. Mecklenburg-Vorpommern 3321 Euro
>>26146841Don't know, for me it seems like you have more advanced economy. Numerous top enterprises that are acting on our market are actually LT. Mb because there are still many Jonas and Kestutis coming from panevezis so they are ready to work for 400 EUR?
>>26146942Where's that burrow located?
>>26146837At least they don't have niggers
>>26146942>not sure if we can call it a house>overpricedMoney are worth shit nowadays
>>26146937Definitely not. Just put "job seeker". In. Order to cash out crypto tax free you need to hold it a year. They will assume you're selling the crypto first that you bought first
>>26146986outer London
>>26146446>You pay for it through taxeswow thanks we had no idea it worked that way>have to wait literally months until you can see a specialistrepublican myth>Insurance companies pay that you retardsure they do, that's why medical costs are the leading cause of personal bankruptcy. and you still pay more in insurance + taxes for healthcare than any euro
>>26147023Does that mean that you can sell your BTC now for USDC, then wait 1 year holding USDC and cash out without paying taxes?
>>26146565The absolute state of modern germany
>>26146974Are those poor places mainly ddr shitholes?
biz needs flags
>>26146282even if we don't factor in how the jewnited states is a literal vassal filled with crime-committing niggers and being overrun by spics as we speak, even a shithole like germany which, in the grand scheme of things is only marginally less cucked, is a vastly superior place to live.
>>26147080Only tax free (concerning German law) if you held the btc for a year or longer. Crypto to crypto is a taxable trade but tax-free if you held the crypto for over a year.
>>26146929"Please put hormones in my food and various untested chemicals to improve your profit margins, Shlomo!"So progressive. You guys are definitely a honorary Sweden.
>>26147087Yes but they don't have as many brown people so it's a tradeoff
>>26146413Poormoney wages for Greece, ITaly and who knows who else, and himself a poor Germanigger. Go kys Nazi
>>26147121>more hormons >more fags>more progressivtard voterssounds a good plan
>>26147121You have no arguments and that's why you jump to gmo shit? Get fucked you retard
>>26147116Thanks you've cleared that up for me!
>>26146501>paid literally for by your taxeswhy do retarded burgers think this is some sort of point. everyone knows how taxes work and what "free" means - free at point of service. the average burger pays far more in taxes + insurance for healthcare. your healthcare costs per capita are almost double
the amount of seethe this thread is causing is hilarious
>>26147058>wow thanks we had no idea it worked that wayYou clearly don't>republican mythI am a germ(an) and I am currently waiting for my appointment (7 weeks)>sure they do, that's why medical costs are the leading cause of personal bankruptcy. and you still pay more in insurance + taxes for healthcare than any euroThat's just factual wrong. Just look up how insurance plans look like when you work in the US and compare it with the services. Sören, wir sind hier nicht in deiner Facebook Gruppe, wo man irgendwelche EU cyclejerks betreibt. Für intelligente/produktive Menschen ist ein Nanny Staat nicht besser aber du bist wahrscheinlich selber ein netto Sauger :)
>>26147214i know right?just look at all these buttblasted yuropoors ITT lmao
>>26147175No worries. The thing you need to look out for is when you become a taxpayer in Germany so your old country doesn't fuck you over by demanding taxes.
>Für intelligente/produktive Menschen
>>26146446I‘m from Germany and this is 100% true. You pay shitloads of taxes for everything so all these leeches can have a good life here. Just went to a dentist and like every service costs extra money. Same thing if you need other special services. The Healthcare System is just a big scam - especially if you pay decades for nothing because you are healthy hundreds of Euros per month. Government is taxing everything even more and more so they can support more welfare Cucks under Cover of nature conversation and humanitarian aid. No wonder that nearly every so called refugee wants to go to Germany. Living in here is seriously only an option if you want to study or if you are a leech with no education. After finishing my master degree here I will try to move to the US.
>>26147181The average burger receives what he pays for, european free health care is not even close to what one pays for in taxes, unless you are chronically ill and basically live in a hospital, but in those cases euthanasia would be a solution, not free healthcare on everybody costs
>>26147181>everyone knows how taxes work and what "free" meansAmericans are so dumb they think saying governments fund things with tax is some kind of revelation to people. They're like the retarded fat kid at school who explains a simple thing to someone and thinks they're a genius for it.
>>26147058Lmao the only people who go bankrupt are poor trash who don't have jobs, and therefore no health insurance. No one with health insurance goes bankrupt unless they get some absurdly rare disease
>>26147058>have to wait literally months until you can see a specialistthis is fucking truemy wife is pregnant, with a public insurance doctor (that is not even included with all the insane social securities and income taxes, you need to pay 600 eur per year to cover hospitalizations and not all hospitals nor doctors are covered) the first available visit was after 3/4 monthsnot joking (belgium)we went to a private doctor not covered by the public insurance, what else can you do?
>>26147107So it's better to be a vassal to a vassal instead of just a vassal? News to me hans
In Estonia the average is like €1100 I think. I got $400k in LINK and have never waged so it's actually great that wages are low here which means the apartment rents are lower as well.
There are CURRENTLY OVER 2 million foreigners in Germany, receiving hartz4 social security. That included money, bills, insurance and apartments. One costs at least 35k a year. At least 70 billion/year of German taxpayer money goes to those leeches.Meanwhile, hardworking citizens like me fall into the highest tax bracket after earning more then 58.000 euro. Enjoy your 42% income tax. This country is dying and it deserves so because people vote for more of this shit constantly
>>26147174>US govt: Spend 2x more per capita on healthcare than most west eu nations>Still don't provide universal healthcare>Americucks support this because they're happy to subsidise an industry that isn't needed (Health insurance) >Health insurance doesn't even cover anything until you pay in several thousand USD>Still pay large out of pocket costsKek, you guys>B-but muh employer covers health insurance>Literally forcing you to work for someone else by holding your healthcare hostageHow cucked can you be?>b-but muh imgrunts Literally live in a 99%+ white area whereas you have to live and work in a city that's 50% white.>Still think you're winning.
>>26145956>salary>workinglmaoing at your lives
>>26147352The average gross monthly wage in Estonia in the third quarter of 2020 was €1,441The median salary increased by 1.6 percent to €1,189 in the third quarter.
>>26147352>$400k in LINK>EstiCongrats lad you've basically made it
>>26147355What are the Germs smoking? Highest tax bracket at 58? I don't get into the 40s until I'm making over 400k.
>>26147408Gotta pay for all those refugees and foreigners lounging around in our inner cities during the workday don't we?
>>26147228Dann verpiss dich doch bitte aus meinem Deutschland, Ronny. kannst ja dann in den USA rummauern und wirst dann random von der Police gemagdumped lul
>>26147429Lmao if Biden raises the capital gains tax to 40% like he's planning I'm abandoning ship. No reason to pay Euro levels of taxes, ever.
>>26147407You still need 1mio EUR even in Baltics to make it.
>>26145956>austria>median income €30k before tax, €22k after taxthis country is fucked.
>>26147455Good on you
>>26147498Austria has a higher GDP per capita than Germany, UK or France. Are wages really that low there?
>>26145956Costa Rica $800USD after tax (monthly)
>>26147530Yes. Numbers are from Statistik Austria for 2019. I was posting median numbers, too; average might be even lower.
>>26147460I want a cute Lithuanian girlfriend :(
>holland>median is €2.2k net>i make €5k netand yet im still a peasant compared to those fucking overpaid yanks lol
>>26147455Eh but capital gains is only 26% in Germany btw
>>26147407estonia is getting expensive as nordic countries, 400k is by no means "making it", its good start when invested right.
>>26147446Calm down, Ali. Macht das Sozialamt nicht bald zu? Du solltest langsam aufstehen. In deinem Deutschland werden dafür Cops von 15 jährigen verprügelt und von Politikern abschließend noch als Nazis beschimpft. Viel Spaß in 10-20 Jahren, wenn der Großteil der Bevölkerung eine migrationshintergrund hat und die Sharia eingeführt wird lel
>>26147355>One costs at least 35k a yearHartz IV is like 400€ per month, where the fuck did you pull 35k from??
>>26147616Whew. Jealous there. Our current is 15-20%. Biden wants to fuck us lube free
>>26147667>400plus rent and healthcare
>>26147667400 cash but then also free healthcare, free education, free housing, public transport subsidisation, etc. plus then the massive infrastructure required to support it (admin, arabic speaking social workers, etc.)remember they put nothing in and only take
>>26147831Rent depends on the area where you live but its around 300-400 per month and mendatory insurance is like 140 eur/month. How did you come up with 35k??
>>26145956average is about 30k OXEN
That means mutts are pretty retarded when it comes to money otherwise they all would have made it already. If I made 100k or more a year I would just randomly drop 10k into Tesla, shitcoins anything. I would be a multi millionaire by now. Mutts are just dumb and you also have to live in muttistan. I could just fly to Rome Paris or anywhere within in an hour. Check mate muts.
>>26146234can confirm
>>26147907Rent, Insurance, heating, money per child, use of infrastructure, health care services, the bureaucracy supporting them, their children using our schools and universities etc etc. Don't be stupid
>>26147281Cope harder. Burgers are right. I'm sick of paying taxes to fund services only used by leeches like you. What's the point of paying taxes if I end up using private solutions? Fuck you welfare queen. Kys so that you are no more a d>>26147387ead weight to society. You commie scum. >t. Italian>>26147387>being happy of being fucked by the StateOh, wait, a parasitic commie. Color me shock. I hope you die in a street with this COVID crisis. You aren't better than a nigger.
>>26147896>>26147667Nevermind this guy already explained
>>26148054Also don't forget the companies they found and vaccines they develop.
>>26148100That sure makes up for the trillion euros the babysitting of his people has cost us
>>2614810010 million kebab shops per flu vaccine, great
>>26147896>free healthcareIts not, healthcare is mendatory. Its literally illegal not to be insured even for rapefugees. >free educationWas always free lol>free housingState pays a set amount per qm and its usually 300-400 eur per person max. Good luck finding an apartment with that much money. Also good luck renting an apartment if your name is Mohammed or Ali kek>free public transport subsidisationNo such thing. Only Azubis, Students and elderly get cheaper transporation.>plus then the massive infrastructure required to support it (admin, arabic speaking social workers, etc.)All the Hartz-IV processes is as far as I know standardised forms that get automatically processed, so it hardly requires more admin power. Also the arabic speaking social workers are rapefugees themselves or people work for 1 eur/hour due the jobcenter. >t.volunteered for caritas during school
>>26146337Avg is 3000 before taxes here in the Netherlands.
>>26148169cope
>>26148169>standardised forms that get automatically processed, so it hardly requires more admin poweryeah Germany is known for its streamlined, efficient bureaucracy after allGood lord the level of cope ITT...
Average 7,793.00 EURMedian 2,500eurLuxembourg
Montenegro - avg. salary 650$My sushi/badger farms produce that in less than 2 days though
>>26148169The Healthcare gets payed by the state. Education is subsidized by copious amounts of tax money. There are apartments specifically for out of work leeches, also renting to the government is always a good idea. Public transport as well as infrastructure is subsidized by tax money. German bureaucracy is a monster that serves only itself and there is a huge amount of other costs directly linked to foreigners such as police and fire services, social services and all dem programs. You obviously don't know anything about the real world Im assuming you're a student
>>26148146You care because you're poor. If you were rich you wouldn't care. I make 3.5k net a month and live like a king I also pay 2k in tax and I don't even care. Just stop being poor. I've worked in the US aka slaved 50 hours a week and then only had access to poor quality food and housing in the US. Quality of live is 10x better in Germany. The quality of anything is a fkign joke in the US. Houses are pretty much cardboard, Food is toxic waste full of additives they can put anything there because there are no regulations, their highways are a joke compared to the Autobahn. The US looks nice from the outside but if you take a closer look you will find rot everywhere.
>>26148169youre being obtuse on purpose but ill try to get you learnedhealthcare is in part funded by mandatory (lol) private insurance and in part by tax, mostly by tax actually (look it up)education is free but someone has to pay for it. ali working at deliveroo is maybe just about producing enough tax income to cover himself, but certainly not his 7 kidseasily doable when theyre happy to live 5 kids to a roomyeah i wonder if an increasing portion of the students are mohammedanshave you worked in any institutions larger than a uni group project lol? organisations, ESPECIALLY publicly funded ones, do not scale linearly (far from it)again, the point is these people are not more productive than the consolidated welfare they take out. they are a net drain and they only ever expand
>>26146337Lmao no, maybe 2/3 of that number is correct
>>26148328>I make 3.5k net a month and live like a king I also pay 2k in tax and I don't even carepeak German wagie mindsetmakes less than 4k net a month and thinks hes ballingwill never afford to buy a house, never retirebut "lives like a king" because muh autobahn
>>26148328Nigger I make 3k a month and I care alot. Also we're both poor. That's the retarded German mindset, thinking that because you live okay on 3.5k a month you're not poor. You're so fucking dumb that I pretty much believe you're lying about your salary
>>26148427>>26148434>mindset
>>26146376ya, I make the same I'm a scientist/engineerPortugalBurgers make fun but we're probably 10x more competent than you and we have free healthcare, great weather and I manage to invest about 70% of my paycheck kek
>>26148458its honestly depressing how dumb Germ*ids arethe state media (which they pay GEZ for) has really done a number on their brainsthey love being enslaved and wouldnt want it any other way
>>26148427Ofc I can afford a house, a real house made of stone ;). I save 1.5k every month and put them into investments. I also have crypto gains. You have no idea. I have colleagues who make less who can afford house, real houses.
>>26148434Wenn du von 3k nicht leben kannst dann bist du einfach nur dumm, sorry brudi.
>>26146337>>26148402Decided to look it up and it's actually 1600, Jesus fuck, I'm at more than twice that and far from financially independent. I'm under 30 though.Just...20....more...years...of...cucking
>>26145956>Portugal>1000€ net on average >median maybe 700 or 800€ netGood thing is there's no tax on crypyo (yet)Bad news is no money to invest either, 3000€ gains were my absolute top peak.
>>26148562also this, but never use a communist piece of shit puppet as your picture again.
>>26148499we euros being smarter than ameroids really doesnt matter, makes me madder to be quite honest. who cares about being competent when some retard makes 10x (more like 3x for me but still) doing a poorer job at an easier workplace!
>>26148514Yeah. They also hate owning property because they " don't want debt" and are scared of the stock market because "it's risky I'll loose all my money". Germans are conditioned to stay comfortable slaves
I earn 850€/month as a mechanical engineer in PortugalMinimum wage is 630€ i thinkThis country fucking sucks
>>26145956Boland550 euro after tax It's basically a Mexico of Europe and I hope that half of our population will take jobs from the rest of you for the half do what you earn maybe then NWO will raise our salaries so we can live in our own country instead of slaving away in your shitholes
>>26148547I never said I can't live of it you dumb fucking cunt stop moving the goal post. God damn it you're just a retarded Kevin
>>26148519>Ofc I can afford a house, a real house made of stone ;)yeah if youre fleissig and pay off your mortage for the next 30 years LOLwe're really reaching gigacope levels here
You will never make it if you don’t understand cost of living
>>26148519Don't worry German bro the ones responding to you are probably college age and don't know the value of money. If you make 3K after taxes and don't live in a shithole (like US) you can buy a house and invest 40% of your monthly so you can retire in 25 years>but muh Rolex>muh Audi>muh mansionYou only care about that shit if you're a slut, genuinely poor, low IQ, or from a shithole country where muh status objects matter
>>26148499Life is about quality. What use does 100k have when you only have only access to shit food, shit cardboard housing, 50hour work week, high crime rate, crooked police etc. The US is pretty much 2nd world brazil tier.
>>26148650>cheap money everywhere>better not take a loanIQ89
>>26148675>invest 1.2kWhat are you, retarded. How are you gonna finance a house and a family with 1.8k/month? I'm starting to believe you people don't work at all
>>26148328>why can't I have quality thingsThis only demonstrate that you are poor in EU, and you were poor in US. That's why you couldn't affford things there.
>>26145956$2900 after tax/month>free education>free health care>neetbux if no job
>>26148732>debt = good>high taxes = good>immigrants = good>making money = badthe mind of the German wagie is truly fascinating
>>26146807lmao keep coping unless you talk about Paris or nice this isn't true.Also Gemany has the highest electricity cost in western Europe, yet emits amost twice as much carbon per capita than Switzerland and more than Austria or France per capita
>people still using mean salary instead of median salaries in 2021why is this board so uneducated?
>>26148766I think this guy just hates the US and desperately needs to compare it to germany, which, even if it was any better then the US, is still a shit hole. Also there's plenty of quality organic food available in the US for decent prices
>>26148519with a 3k salary, unless you bought btc for cheap, you need a 25 years mortgage to buy a decent house
>>261459567.4k, Switzerland
>>26148737As I said>you are probably college age and don't know the value of moneyYour reply proves this point, it's moot to explain it to you because it's the equivalent of trying to explain to a monkey how a car works - the car is real and the car works, but the monkey is too dumb to understand how
>>26148582Sssshhhh anão, it's just a picture, he can't hurt youOn a related note, there has never been a funny right-wing comedian. Why is this?
>>26148856Yeah. I'm an euro, but I've lived in US. Seething europoors are the ones who visited, at best, US once, and since they were poor, life were too expensive for them. And since they are also stupid, they equate their poverty to US cost of life. It's like a nigger who earn 1 usd per day coming to live in an EU major city.
>>26148875>I'm not gonna answer your question tehe
>>26148872that one form the Netherrlands is already super false, all this data is widely overpriced lolwhere did you get this garbage?
>>26148858and? You're that type of nigga that pays 500k houses up front while interests rates are negative and isntead of putting that 500k to good use somewhere else maximum kek also during those 25 years the house will rise in value. Learn the basics of finance pls this is embarrassing /biz/
>>26148359>healthcare is in part funded by mandatory (lol) private insurance and in part by tax, mostly by tax actually (look it up)yea duh healthcare is funded by taxes, you think if the 2 millions rapefugees disappeared overnight healthcare would get cheaper? >education is free but someone has to pay for it. ali working at deliveroo is maybe just about producing enough tax income to cover himself, but certainly not his 7 kidsI guess Igor, beate and mehmet working mini job at their local netto contribute more or what? Go to your local amazon fullfilment center, literally filled with rapefugges, polaks and other eastern europoors.>easily doable when theyre happy to live 5 kids to a roomTry applying for an apartment when your name is mohammed, stanisław or anastasia and let me know how it goes. >yeah i wonder if an increasing portion of the students are mohammedansIn my Informatik kurs almost half were rapefugees with some chinkoids and a bunch of white incels kek>have you worked in any institutions larger than a uni group project lol? organisations, ESPECIALLY publicly funded ones, do not scale linearly (far from it)thats just shitty german bureucracy, but anna-lena with a degree in social studies and germanistik needs a "job" >again, the point is these people are not more productive than the consolidated welfare they take out. they are a net drain and they only ever expandDoesnt matter. The point is that these rapefugees stimulate consumption within the economy. The money they receive from the government gets spent at german stores, the energy costs get paid to german companies, the healthcare they have gets to a german insurance company, the rent they pay gets to a german landowner etc. Germany lacks human capital in order to properly function and keep its economy growing. And you are a retard if you think mohammed in 10 years will be happy sitting all day on his ass getting 400 euro and living in a shared apartment with 3 other guys.
Min wage is around 100$ rnLebanon
>>26148984post your nose
>>26148872i wish the övp was as based as the svp
>>26148931We are living this life, it's literally happening. You're essentially arguing that snow isn't white.Do your own research if you want to know the cost of living, housing, yearly taxes, long term investments, government benefits of a country you're thousands of miles away from instead of your autistic screeching.
>>26148968Nobody in Germany from the middle class has 500k to pay upfront for a house. Our home ownership is pitifully low
>>26146323>we are doing better>weSuch a representative egotistical feeling of community. Bet you're grman
>>26149027My ex gf is working in Beirut, when's the civil war gonna start?
>>26148984yesno, but russians and poles dont have so many kids and better life outcomes (ie they eventually become net contributors) and are so less of a drain. you are copingmaybe in bavaria its difficult, everywhere else you are copingexactly my point, are you still coping or just arguing to be arguing?anna-lena is of germany so gets to live there, women are for making children anywaySTIMULATE CONSUMPTION LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. ok you retard keynesian, i like how you point at the end flaw in your own plan
>>2614868236 fully paid holidays + national holidays here. My US colleagues a smashing 10days
>>26149090I have no idea if it's gonna be civil war or just civil unrestis she american?foreigners usually work with NGOs so they get paid in Fresh USD aka cash locals mostly get paid in local currrencyaverage salary for a cop is 1.2 million LBP and 1 USD is not 8800 LBP lmao
>>26149144She gets payed in euros but can get dollars. She earns a ton.i just want her to come back hence the question
>>26149036We need some cucks to clean our streets, work at amazon/ebay/otto by filling our orders in the wagie-cagie centers, some to work at mcdonalds and supermarkets, some to clean our toilets, some to wipe the asses of old boomers at hospitals etc. And unless you want to be the cuck that does those shit jobs for 1 euro/hr like the rapefugees currently do, we will have to have mohammed and his 7 kids do that for us like the cucks that they are or they can fuck off back to their shitholes.
>>26149180yeah euros USD as long as its foreign she'll live lavishly afI cant really answer sorry, because "lockdowns" people can't protest anymorebread prices increased as wellif banks keep fucking people over deposits and savings are gonna reach zero that's when we'll reach oblivionthere is an IMF and world bank deal on the table but not as long as the same corrupt class is rulingif she lives in a christian neighborhood she's safer honestly
>>26148547>Wenn du von 3k nicht leben kannst dann bist du einfach nur dumm, sorry brudi.Yeah, that is so peak retarded. Holy fuck. Basically every German out there.>How can you not live from that money?>That's a lot>Look how bad others are doing compared to you>Be thankful for what you have>"Uns gehts gut"Germans are fucking brainwashed and you don't even fucking know it
>>26146234can you read?
>>26149132This one people fail to realize how much of a deal it is.Italianon with 2k€/mo net salary but 45 paid days of vacation required by law.I would legit KMS with less than 1 month a year off time
>>26149120>no, but russians and poles dont have so many kids and better life outcomes (ie they eventually become net contributors) and are so less of a drain.sauce??
>>26149221that's what I dont getwhy do your governments allow refugees to have so many kids?they just abuse the system like that no?
>>26149120based austrian economist
>>26149261She has an apartment in achrafieh fancy af and payed by her employer. I really loved visiting your country the three times I was there. I wish you all the best anon
>>26149266Then go be happy somewhere else because I enjoy the high quality of life in Germany.
It really depends on what field you're in though.
>>26149272Do you have a source on that?Source?A source. I need a source.Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.Do you have a degree in that field?A college degree? In that field?Then your arguments are invalid.No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.Correlation does not equal causation.CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.Nope, still haven't.I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
>>26149325thank you brother much appreciatedlol I live in achrafieh, not the fancy part but it's one of the best cities to live and work in
>>26149266>>26149332Ignore this guy he clearly doesn't earn 3.5k and has no idea how little impact that amount has
>>26149292>why do your governments allow refugees to have so many kids?So we can have more rapefugee cucks that will clean our toilets and work at amazon wagie-cagie centers at 1 eur/hour
>>26148984>Doesnt matter. The point is that these rapefugees stimulate consumption within the economy. The money they receive from the government gets spent at german stores, the energy costs get paid to german companies, the healthcare they have gets to a german insurance company, the rent they pay gets to a german landowner etc. Germany lacks human capital in order to properly function and keep its economy growing. And you are a retard if you think mohammed in 10 years will be happy sitting all day on his ass getting 400 euro and living in a shared apartment with 3 other guys."its good my government gives money to foreigners because that will benefit big corporations">>26149221>We need some cucks to clean our streets, work at amazon/ebay/otto by filling our orders in the wagie-cagie centersyeah and God forbid paying a liveable wage to Germans, nuh-uh better get in millions of immigrants and pay them so little that the taxpayer ends up subsidizing themjesus christ imagine being this retarded...
>>26146446>You pay for it through taxes and have to wait literally months until you can see a specialistThis retarded argument needs to die, mutts.I know being retarded is kind of like your thing but this is the stupidest take on "free" healthcare there is.I'm French, we have "free" healthcare and that is not a thing. Never was. You only might have to wait if there's no urgency whatsoever and you live in a small town, thats it.
>>26148858>with a 3k salary, unless you bought btc for cheap, you need a 25 years mortgage to buy a decent houseAnd that's the best case scenario and all you can get is some shitty apartment or a house in the middle of nowhere
>>26149368I was going to apply to the EU france or germany mainly, but after inflation I cant afford the 10k euros anymorethey require a blocked account and you can withdraw 800 euros per month so wouldn't 3.5K be enough to sustain yourself there?
>>26149359She lives near sassine just off independence. You've got a great county and I hope things get better in the future (even though the bitch broke my heart). Also I loved the restaurant divvy
>>261469745k pre tax is basically OPs 2,5k after tax, its sad
>>26149381but they're still abusing a socialist systemlook at polandzero muslim refugees and their economy is booming afaikI'm applying for scholarships to go there and be a productive member of society, not be a fucking rapefugee
>>26149410No you can live comfortably of 3.5k a month, more then that. It just isn't enough to buy a house in a big city and sustain a family and invest and go on vacations that's my point
>>26148427with 3.5k after tax he can well afford two houses lol
>>26149368Kinda sad that your brain is fucked like this. Thank good mine isn't. Even 2k per month after tax is enough to live well in Germany. Apartment, car, food included maybe saving could be a problem. If you want more you gotta do more. You're also expecting to get rich off wagecucking which won't happen. If you want to get rich start your own business and invest.
>>26149412damn you really love her anon and you really remember the placesdude that is one of the fanciest ngldivvy is an awesome place trulyare you trying to get back with her?
>>26149053>Nobody in Germany from the middle class has 500k to pay upfront for a house.They don't even manage to finance and pay off a house over 30 years if we are being honest here
>>26145956Greece: ~550-700 euros a month (with usually unpaid overtime)
>>26146421based producers of BLACKED
>>26149481Your brain is fucked because you rationalize the absurd amount of taxes we pay and are okay with it.
>>26149476oh yeah I figuredcause if a student can survive on less than half then its goodbut yeah 3.5 is still wage cage levelshope you make it anon
>>26149261happy to see you sticking around here LebAnon >t.the guy who tipped you a while agoI swear it's the same 100 people on this board every single day
>>26149483No I can't get back with her she cant do long distance and I've tried every thing. Maybe she wasn't ready, she won't be back in Germany for another 1.5 years so I'm not gonna wait. It'll take me a while to move on though.
>>26149453>I'm applying for scholarships to go there and be a productive member of society, not be a fucking rapefugeeYou will be a rapefugee no matter what. Even if you become a doctor, pay taxes and speak fluently polish without an accent like a native. You will always be rapefugee to us dont kid yourself sandnigger. >and their economy is booming afaikpic related kek. Their economy consists of leeching off the EU, stealing cars from the german borders and sending their women to german brothels to prostitute themselves.
36000 argentinian pesos = 225usd WE ARE FUCKED
>>26146234Shut up poorfag. I know no german who works fulltime making less than 3000€ after taxes.
>>26149530I never said that. You're just a crying moaning baby. You want everything handed to you on a silver plate. Go start you own business, live frugally and invest in shitcoins etc. If you want money you have to work for it other wise shut your pie whole, baby. Have fun with that attitude in the US lol. They gonna eat your ass for breakfast.
>>26146282LMAO imagine govt wiping your ass with the printed money instead of bombing random aborgens for oil so you can drive to your wagie cage
>>26147309not a kraut, but I'd rather be one than share citizenship with millions of niggers and spics kek
>>26149616>wanting lower taxes and less leeches means I want stuff handed to meYou're truly fucked in the head
>>26149576oh damnit'll work out in the end brother>>26149559and what's wrong with consistency lolthank you man I'll pay it forward one daystay based and hope all is well
USA>$3,714 average salary (3000 eur)Is this the fabled American dream?
>>26149599then you dont know any german i presumemost people with an ordinary Ausbildung will never make much more than 2k after taxes, and that are most people in the working force
>>26146234This.I make 1.7k a month with a bachelors degree, been working for 4 years now. It’s ogre, good thing the tax situation is good when it comes to crypto. Made more in gains that I ever earned wagecucking and hope to exit the rat race within the next 5 years and fuck off
>>26149645cope mode aktiviert
>>26149656Cheers man I'm sure it will
>>26149481>maybe saving could be a problemDo you know what the definition of "slave" is you retarded faggot?You are basically saying that you are happy to live for your employer and are 100% dependent on him until you finally bite the dust.
>>26146323>we
>>26149686I sincerely hope you're trolling because if not you should really consider to kys
>>26146379One thing good about us in Europe is least our taxes pay for free hopital, unemployment and housing Gibs. American taxes go on nothing maybe the military and in some states they aren't that much lower than ours.
>>26149719The guy is too far gone there's no use talking sense to him
>>26149481>maybe saving could be a problem>im totally not poor though
>>26149683Maybe gender studies wasn't the best idea lel. So many babies here who cannot take responsibility for themselves. Switch your job? Move to a different location? No, I gonna go cry and moan on /biz/ on how unfairly I am being treated ngmi
>>26148063>>being happy of being fucked by the State>Oh, wait, a parasitic commie.I am happy to pay for Healthcare/infrastructure/education etc. with my taxes.I don't like paying for welfare/benefits of any kind.
>>26149598100 USD is 880000 LBPsame my dude lmao>>26149580alright brostay salty
>>26146415Go to Switzerland not the UK. Take it from a bong.Their quasi minimum wages is far more than half decent paid bongs
>>26149779Plenty of necessary and high competency jobs don't pay well because they lack high status. Nursing for instance.
>>26149719If your job is chill 35 hours a week or wfh why not. If you want more go get a better job, start your own business etc. I am repeating myself.
750 euros, Lithuania.However I'm a programmer and living pretty good of 1200 per month.Guess that's the price I'm willing to take for not having any niggers or muslims.
>>26148675Trust fund baby>buying house and investing 40% of salary From 3k after tax? Maybe with your daddy's money You are completely delusional
>>26148434>22 post by this idwow, tell us where did you live? what countries can u even compare? You sound really small minded.
You fuckers need to develop so morals.Life isn't just about you using your untaxed dollars for fucking prostitutes, because (let's face it) who else would.Don't forget we live in a society
Swiss Chad reporting in
>>26146443You can literally never pay and they can't do shit. You can ignore their calls and they don't impact your credit. Done it a few times.
>>26149868You usually don't buy a house on a single income.
>PoortugalProbably between 800 and 900 euros. Thankfully I make double that thanks to the IT dev meme.>>26148562>>26148499manos, what's a /makeit/ stack in this socialist hellhole? we need to hurry before the government realizes the potential tax gains from crypto
>>26149848>If you want more go get a better job, start your own business etc.Basically everybody with an Ausbildung is fucking underpaid and lives on the Armutsgrenze, compared to let's say Australia for example.And even if you are into IT/SWE you are severely underpaid for what you do, compared to other countries.The solution should not be by default "start a business if you want to escape"You should have at least the ability to invest a somewhat meaningful amount of money, but most people here don't have that. (Just like most other Europoor countries)But considering that Germany is such a wealthy country, it's fucking laughable that the people living here are no better off than in Eastern Europe for the most part.
>>26145956median income is 1700 EUR, and I earn almost half of that
>>26150049Oh yes Germans have it sooooo hard
>>26146323versuch mal einen termin beim hautarzt zu kriegen, halbes jahr wartezeit minimum.du hurensohn.
>>26149580you are the typical German retard, keep seething, your points are retarded i'd rather have 1000 hard working Lebanese in my country than 1 of your kind
>>26146421You can't. I'm Euro and if I even mentionned the points in your post I get the NPC stare. I live among slaves.
itt triggered amerislaves
>>26150123You sir are a real untermentsch among the sheeple!
>>26146544>$31.3k median income after taxplain lies
>>26150122>hard working>lebaneselol, pick one
ITT: butthurt burgers trying to cope
>>26147121>mfw actually Swedish and see posts like this.Make about 2100 Euro/month (21k SEK) after taxes.Ngmi
>>26146942>3 bathrooms for 107 square meterstalk about a waste of space
>>26150192show your nose >>26150122checked and basedthank you anonWGMI
>>26150084>ohoOHohOoho Neeeeeinnnnn der Hautarzt dauert so lange fohl gemein dange mergel
>>26147116huh that's weird. Here no matter how long you hold you will get taxed 30% but crypto to crypto is not taxable
>>26146350hahahaha i'm coming for this
>>26150084hatte schon oft einen, musste nie lange warten. die Wartezeiten sind unironisch eine der kürzesten Weltweit du ungebildeter Untermensch
>>26147274hope you make it fren
>>26150083I am not saying we have it extremely hard. You get by if you want to. But considering our economy and the companies here (BMW, VW, Mercedes, Audi, SAP, Adidas, etc) it's just pitiful how little the German man profits from all of that. We are a slave race. Taught in school that we have to be ashamed of the fact that we are German and that we should rather keep our heads down
>HAHAHAH EUROPOORS PAY TAXES HAHAHAHA>wait why is my drinking water brown and why am I charged $15,000 for an X-ray
>>26147274Sorry Hans, same here in Sweden. Yet people and politicians call it all "free" like nobody pays for it. Hope you make it.
>>26148608why did you even try. Just make min. wage. It'd be easier with no responsabilities
>>26150367Then move. Fking crybabies itt. Go move to the US. Good riddance!
>>26149876I am talking specifically about Germany and not comparing any countries
>>26149839True, but last I checked they're racist as shit when hiring. Can't blame them desu, the salaries there are fucking great. Just wish there's enough demand for data scientists for bank shit for them to consider paying a foreigner.
>>26150332I don't really think thats the case. It's just to keep your pride i check so you don't pull off a Fuehrer 2.0.The Germans I've met are quite proud of their country and are aware of their standing in global dynamics.In any case you're doing better than at least 95% of the planet
>>26146336are you really from europe anon?you have any idea what happened after wwII?
>>26146323nothings free you fkn idiot retarded commieburgers unironically doing much better not paying niggers & losers healthcare etcSad whats happening there brothers
>>26150470doing so much better their life expectancy reached new lows of just 77.5 years lol
>>26149399liar, I'm French too. Ophtalmologist? 5 months. Stomachologist? 4 months. Regular GP? 3 months. Get the fuck out of here.
>>26150470No they are not. Quality of life is horrible. The US is a brazil tier rotten shit hut waiting to collapse.
>>26146421ur right 95% europoors are unironically retardedgvmt takes 80% of their money directly&indirectly, give them peanuts and they are happy
>>26150530>>26150530Ever thought about not being a cripple?
>>26150530see >>26150310 you uneducated 16 year old shitskin. it's not better in your beloved united states of amerislaves
>>26150573I can manage fine without any of those. Haven't seen a GP in over 8 years. That guy was just lying. And I don't see why I should pay for something I'm not using.
>>26150606Well from your chart it looks a lot better in the US
>>26150539if youre OK being a wagecuck slave your whole life yes, im sure commieland is a great place for you. If you want to compare to niggers and bottom of society OK, you probably will live better now if you want to actually earn your financial freedom and retire by 30, and be FREE. Then burgerland is like 50x better
Polepoor here. In Poland average is around 843,5 EUR. Not everywhere that is equal tho, this average is pumped so much by politicians and CEO's from Warsaw. I'm 22 living in Warsaw working as accountant and I earn 660 EUR, the worst thing for me is that I also study and need to pay around 487 for semester. 484 EUR for flat, life sucks here. I think I will not make it if I will not move out.
>>26150540ThisIm in the second lowest tax bracket.I make 2.1k euro per month after tax. That cost of my employment to my employer is 3.8k euro per month. When I actually get my money almost 50% is gone in taxes. Then sales tax is 12,5-25%.Pray for me.
>>26150650not really especially since the costs are much lower and Germany just destroys the US in that field then. so no, he's not lyingpeople on here are so delusional, /int/cels are nothing compared to it lmao. shows the average age on here
>>26150625Then have fun bleeding out because you didn't book the right options in your health insurance because you don't want to pay stuff u don't need.
>>26146337This is WITH a masters degree topkek. I graduated a year ago and don't even feel the urge to look for jobs because I own 75k Link. Feeling comfy, and also laugh at retards working at Zuidas acting like CEO's.
>>26150737I'd rather take the small chance of bleeding out than the certitude of having my money stolen every month>>26150729>cost are much lowerbut they're not, my insurance in the US was nowhere near the amount I got stolen each month back in France
>>26150683The thing you thing waging is the same in the US and Europe. It isn't. I get a 35 hour work week, paid sick leave, 20 days paid vacation, weekends are free ofc, option to work from home etc. It doesn't even feel like working to be honest. I don't even want to be free because I am already free. Ok not now because of coroner.
ITT self absorbed, entitled spergs screeching at eachother over not having everything based on nothingP.S some of you are alright
>>26150415Relax fren, It's not that simple for most people you know.
God I love going to work at 6 am in the morning, sitting on my ass reading copium threads from Europeans. It’s crazy cause no one in America even knows y’alls presidents or Kings or whatever you got.Yup.
>>26150729>the costs are much lower and Germanythis is simply not truewhat you seething yurotards dont seem to understand is, every half decent job in the US has a subsidized healthcare planI can get a full health care plan in the US for 200 bucksin germany private health care costs at least 500-600 euro per monthand even if you have state insurance youre paying what, 15% of your income?in the US youre only really screwed if youre a bottom tier wagie but every half decent employer will give you a sponsored health care plan which is very affordablenow keep coping yuropoors
>>26150893God damn I love Texas
colombiamin wage is close to $300median is around $400
>>26150689Warsaw must be hell for the natives, when i was there for a vacation it was just ~25-40% (depending on the product) cheaper than in Austria, yet people earn like a third of our wages.
>>26150893>>26150959You are both right, but enjoy it while you can because America is collapsing hard right now as we speak.
>>26151093Americans are the boomers of nations. They had it so good and they'll lose it all
>>26150959>I can get a full health care plan in the US for 200 bucksHow old are you?
>>26151056Poland is hell, not only Warsaw. In other parts of the country there are even worse cases. Poland may be based in certain things but its one of the worst countries to live in desu
>>26148968>only 30 years of mortgage to pay for a cuckshed? It’s a great deal brolmao, europe will be a giant jail, permanent lockdowns, freedom restrictions, niggers, increasing taxation, and all the slow bleeding in purchasing power to keep the ECB/IMF/WEF fiat money debt-spiraling rotten system. Let me tell you what I will do:50k for a 2br villa in Philippines near the sea, eat fresh fish every day, and study how to invest my remaining 950k, while you will be waking up at 6:30am every day for the rest of your life to wagecuck for Mr Ben Goldstein so you can afford a luxury BMW you don’t need, to get a dopamine rush in the autobahn, and wage slave for 30 years to pay for you little apartment wher you cannot even listen to some music after 10pm without your neighbors murdering you
>>26150850Only 20? Which country?
>>26151684You are right however the alternative doesn't seem that great either, you are surrounded by people of a different race which might be a very lonely experience. Just look at all the westerners in places like Thailand they are all alcoholic boomers who pay to have a midget asian GF.