/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>26129900
Yes but you're just in time for PRQ, don't say I didn't warn you in a couple days

>>26129900
for XSN it's not too late yet
forget the other shitcoins, they are severely overhyped

Nah I'm still accumulating GRT for long term hold, all depends on your goals, I have at least 25 more years til retirement, with a focus on BTC.

>>26129913
Seems pretty parabolic as is

>GRT

Good but valued fairly

>AVAX
Great and undervalued by x20

>XSN
No opinion

>>26129970
Isn't XSN just as overhyped? What's your reasoning?

>XSN train
>68 cents
Not really missed yet, but masternodes are getting expensive indeed. At the same market cap that link was when it was at $20, we would be at $60. The train is just starting to get departed. If we get a golden bull run $100 is definitely not off the table. Then again nothing is off the tables for basically any coin if that happens. If you're lucky an XSN dump/dip could come, either before or after the bitfinex listing. Keep your eyes open and pick some up perhaps.

>>26130000
we did tell you for months
but yeah that's nothing compared to what's coming, only retards are selling, whales know lending is coming and will never sell

>>26130051
>Isn't XSN just as overhyped
It's very hyped yeah, I wouldn't add the "over" to that. XSN may very well disrupt the whole financial world if the team reaches their vision. And I don't mean that in the same sense that every other shitty crypto espouses.

>>26129913
No please I have 75k DNA that I need to pump first.

>>26130244
> if
I agree that layer 2 DEX is a big step, but I'm concerned about their roadmap fulfillment.

>>26130025
AVAX = GTFO Pajeet

>>26130439
In what way are you worried?

>>26130532
Fud it then, Many have tried.

>>26129970
easy 3 - 5x from here

>>26130724
It all just seems too.. good to be true? Does that make sense?
The amount of bullshit in this sphere has me weeding out coins left and right but I've barely seen a negative about XSN. Either that means it's the godsend of crypto investment or a brilliant scam.

>>26131031
I'm in the closed beta. If its a scam the team is retarded to make so much actual progress.

>>26131031
Nigger have you not been here the last 4 months where it was fudded every day?

>>26130532
No street shitters in avax
Just schwarma powered gains.

>>26131196
No I haven't that's why I'm asking if it's too late >>26129900

I did my research on GRT/AVAX and they're massively overhyped relative to their market cap, they are not asymmetrical bets right now. And i fucking hate buying ICO bags.

XSN is still roughly $60 million MC and it's going to be the biggest DEX in crypto within the next 6 months. It will at a minimum surpass Uniswap, so that's roughly a 35x from here.

It's listing on bitfinex tomorrow, which dispels any notion of it being a scam(XSN has literally had a FUD campaign on /biz/ for the last 6 months while whales accumulate, check the archives)

>>26131031
>too good to be true
Why do you retards do this to yourself?

>>26131301
Bro you don't even know how early it is. All of biz should be long holding a suicide stack of this.

>>26129900
Stop buying into pumps.
Always wait for a dip.
Unless you plan on holding long term.
Set up a weekly buy into a coin you did your DD in and consistently buy Every week or month.
Leave emotions out of trading or you’ll end up defaciting in the Ganges sir

>>26131718
Good advice.
I don't daytrade, I was just wondering if I had missed the moon. Seems like there's still a long way to go.

>>26131031
I'll post some of the fud of the past 6 months. I've never seen anything as relentlessly fudded as XSN.

Do you understand what avax is and what we are gonna do ?. you are in for the time of your life.

>>26131816
Forgot the first picture.

>>26131864
Avax is another 'dex' shitcoin.

>>26131871
Another one.

>>26131794
Bitcoin has rekt Alts on the Alt/BTC Pairs. Catchup is gonna be sweet, just the start for Bitcoin Dominance to rebalance.

XSN is the most undervalued of them all

>>26131911

>>26131031
Stakenet DEX already has full LN interop working (BTC/LTC/XSN) and ETH/ERCs (i.e. USDT) being tested in closed beta.
SSUI makes trading on the DEX easier and faster than using a CEX. Once your funds are on L2, you can swap in-between assets immediately and for very low fees.
Almost everything else in this space is just mimicking Uniswap's approach, which means they all will have potentially absurd fees, long swap times, and no trading real BTC/LTC.
Nothing really competes in terms of L2 DEXs at this point. Even if competition surfaces, they can only build hype at best. XSN is out in front this cycle. It's finally getting discovered within its own market and industry. In that regard, it still has a lot of catching up to do.

>>26132045
They even created this and many many more pictures to fud it as an Indian scam.

>>26132164
classic
really took a "toll" on the MN count too lmao

>>26132369
Who is this Autist... doesn't he have anything better to do?

>>26132626
>doesn't he have anything better to do?
lol no
maybe they were the one accumulating? explains why the MN count kept going up

>>26132915
Nah, dude is a retard, expect him to have 0 dollars

Even cz is afraid of xsn.

>>26129970
GRT good.

AVAX, not a fan of L1 comp, but good.

XSN is a scam. Team exit scammed PoSW and the coin has no utility.

>>26133291
cant argue with you there

>>26133459
It's an exchange. They are a dime a dozen.

The team is composed of nobodies. You think that every exchange out there is thinking of ways to get ahead?

The fact is, nobody fucking wants BTC. People want wrapped and synthetic BTC because it's easier to trade without slippage.

That's why there is maybe 1/100 liquidity locked in lightning compared to what's onchain on eth.

Also, reading the docs from XSN, it looks like a giant bullshit marketing campaign.

It says each masternode will be its own DEX and have some kind of fucking karma attached to it?

Sounds centralized and convoluted. Also, it's run on bitcoin tech, so how the fuck is it going to attract liquidity if it doesn't run smart contracts? Doesn't make any sense.

Pump and dump scam imo.

>>26133651
Your credibility is lol.. no one wants BTC that's why it's so fucking cheap at 38k a coin. Cause NO ONE WANTS IT.

Stay poor.

>>26133651
>The fact is, nobody fucking wants BTC. People want wrapped and synthetic BTC because it's easier to trade without slippage.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA FUCKING HELL ANON THIS IS WORSE THAN THE REDDIT SPACING

>>26133714
No, you have poor understanding. People want derivatives because they can be sent to a liquidity pool on eth.

You clearly don't know anything about defi.

Nobody cares about lightning network.

still time for LTO.

>>26133651
>s-scam
>team is n-nobodies
>no one wants real btc
Kys

>>26130122
>Not really missed yet, but masternodes are getting expensive indeed. At the same market cap that link was when it was at $20, we would be at $60.
That's quite a leap. LINK is what underpins DeFi, I thought XSN *was* a DeFi project. Isn't it supposed to be something like uniswap but cross-chain compatible and very cheap?

>>26133841
Defi is garbage and Lightning is the future of Layer 2 payment solutions. You are a damn fool if you think otherwise.

>>26133941
Stakenet is a blockchain. XSN is the coin of stakenet blockchain. Stakenet bridges different layer 2 solution together on their Dex. Lightning + Connext at the moment. Link is more for secure data transfer. Any devs that build Dapps on stakenet for (bitcoin) defi will end of using link for price feeds etc.

>>26132164
Thanks just sold everything

>>26133929
Why are you attacking the messenger?

The market clearly indicates that it favors derivatives of BTC over the lightning network. Nobody will ever use BTC for payments because it's too volatile for vendors to accept and too valuable to people to exchange when they can send an inflationary currency instead.

The primary use for BTC is using it in Defi on eth, generally in liquidity pools where providers can get the fees based on swaps. It's simple economics.

Lightning fees are orders of magnitude lower than what can be generated as an LP.

Also, Stakenet doesn't make any sense. It's built on a blockchain that's not EVM compatible, so it isn't built to run smart contracts. It already lost the race before it even started.

So, most likely a pump and dump scam imo.

>>26134001
What dapps can you build? This is not an EVM compatible blockchain. If you can even build dapps, which is a big question, why would you waste your time when there are blockchains like ethereum for example that are designed for applications.

Stakenet isn't necessary for a bridge and bridges by design are not secure. Look, it doesn't make any sense to me, but if you have faith that things are going to be invented that are not invented yet, by all means, hold onto this, but I would personally not buy it.

Also, what you said about link doesn't make sense. Link price feeds are something I can see on the ethereum blockchain. I think you're having trouble understanding what an EVM compatible blockchain is compared to Stakenet for example, which is not optimized for smart contracts.

>>26134094
Why are you still fudding?

Wrapped assets are shit. BTC is fine for payments over lightning, if you don't want to use btc for payments you can convert to another coin over layer 2.
>The primary use for BTC is using it in Defi on eth, generally in liquidity pools where providers can get the fees based on swaps. It's simple economics.
Retard and low iq take. You haven't seen defi for bitcoin yet because every project uses wrapped assets instead of using lightning. Stakenet is the first project to have a working DApp just successfully uses lightning (their DEX).
>Also, Stakenet doesn't make any sense. It's built on a blockchain that's not EVM compatible, so it isn't built to run smart contracts. It already lost the race before it even started.
This fud again.
>pump and dump scam
Kys ranjeet.

>>26131146
Is connext working as intended, erc20 is basically green to go?

>>26134268
KYS

>>26134268
>evm compatible blockchain
Meaningless recycled fud.
>if you can even build dapp
Stakenet DEX is a DApp.
>why would you waste your time when there are blockchains like ethereum for example that are designed for applications.
Because they are on layer 1. Layer 1 is too congested and expensive.
>Stakenet isn't necessary for a bridge
Clearly it is. As there are no layer 2 dexs atm expect for stakenet.
>bridges by design are not secure
Prove that bridges are not secure, Stakenet connects layer 2 solutions. Nothing unsecure about this.

>>26134278
What am I talking about?

Lol.

You realize there is 100x more btc on eth than there is in the lightning network, right?

No, of course not because you're a clueless shill, which is why you're invested in a scam.

You probably don't own any BTC, so you have no idea anyway. Well, for people who are smart and own BTC, they generally purchase two different BTC assets like wBTC, sBTC, or renBTC and put it into a liquidity pool.

You realize that wrapped assets are increasingly becoming more decentralized and secure right? The protocols that create this are going way up in value.

And Stakenet is a UTXO chain like BTC. It's not EVN compatible. Do you even know what you're talking about?

>>26134475
>retard spacing
>noooo there is more money on networks that have been around longer
>c-clueless shill
>s-scam!
>you don't own any btc
Btc is trash, it won't make me a 1000x, xsn will.
>people who are smart buy fake wrapped btc
Retarded fudder confirmed.

>>26134370
Stakenet doesn't connect anything. It's completely unnecessary. You really don't understand things, do you?

Let's say that I want to swap one asset for another on lightning. Like BTC for LTC and do it on lightning. I don't need Stakenet for that transaction. I just need a BTC lightning node and an LTC lightning node counterparty.

How is Stakenet involved? You've been conned.

>>26134564
>Stakenet doesn't connect anything.
What is Lightning + connext.
>It's completely unnecessary. You really don't understand things, do you?
Clearly you don't understand things, do you?
>Let's say that I want to swap one asset for another on lightning. Like BTC for LTC and do it on lightning. I don't need Stakenet for that transaction. I just need a BTC lightning node and an LTC lightning node counterparty.
Nice DEX you got there. Not like there is another project that let's you swap over Layer 2 with a single button click.

>>26134609
Lol.

Connext is basically a centralized router which plans on becoming a slightly less centralized hub and spoke of routers that anyone with liquidity can run, but there will likely be significant opportunity costs due to the collateral lock up and inflexibility of the network.

But that's beside the point. The point is, if you run a lightning node, you can swap with a connext hub. Doesn't need XSN or Stakenet.

>>26134694
>Yeah man any one ran totally run a lightning node
>yeah BRO just do it yourself
Pic related. Kys faggot.

>>26134694
He deleted it, what a fucking faggot.

>>26134738
I just told you why I would not run a lightning node. It makes no sense. My collateral is better used elsewhere than locking it up in lightning.

my port LINK UNI GRT BAND. Get rid of BAND??

>>26134766
Liar, you deleted your comment but everyone can still see it because I replied to it nigger.

>>26134775
Yes band is a shitcoin.

>>26134797
Lol. You're arguing with the wrong person. Argue with the billions of dollars of BTC derivatives on Eth. I know you're mad, but it won't do you any good to be angry with market dynamics. Try to understand the reason why people prefer to put BTC on Eth rather than lock it up in lightning. It's a little thing called APY.

>>26134983
>Lol. You're arguing with the wrong person.
No it's the same ID pajeeta.
>noooooo don't buy xsn I still haven't accumulated
>noooo you can't just make new tech

Avax is eth at 2016 levels

>>26135028
No I mean, you're stupid to argue with me as an individual. Argue with everyone else that locks up btc derivatives on eth for APY. What are you, an idiot?

And no, and maybe this will make you mad, but I have no interest in buying an obsolete blockchain tech. I would rather buy AVAX if I'm going to buy another blockchain because even though its security is weaker than ETH, it's at least EVN compatible.

Stakenet blockchain is pure shit. I know it makes you mad, but argue with the devs, not me.

>>26134268
In short, Stakenet is a scam.

>>26135174
>no you're stupid for arguing
>nooooo use wrapped assets
>obsolete blockchain tech
AHAHAHHAH HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA Are you from the blocknet discrd?
>avax
Another scam 'dex'

>>26135174
unironically selling my XSN because of what I read in this conversation, thanks mate

>>26135289
No problem. Good luck with your future endeavors.

>>26135289
>falling for fud
Yikes.
>>26135216
kek

>>26135174
Explain to me, a closed beta tester who has used the DEX to do as advertised, how XSN is somehow incapable of performing as a DAPP.

>>26135597
Lol. Well, I assume you own a masternode, right?

And are you currently collecting fees on lightning transactions that don't involve XSN?

No, you're not. So, how is XSN involved again?

I don't understand why this is so difficult for you to comprehend.

>>26135774
>reddit spacing
>nooo you need to earn all lightning fees
>noooo you need to earn fees before the dex is even released
Kys

>>26135774
It seems like you understand how it works and also know nothing at all. I mean, do you even know why cryptos are created? The masternode migration is to decentralize the service. The current beta is not on masternodes yet because they are polishing the DEX and finishing important features first.

This FUD is just like last summer. I fought so many retards just to preach to biz the truth - I'm the guy everyone who missed out wished they listened to.

>>26136015
If this helps you to sleep at night, more power to you.

I have nothing against you.

>>26136127
Rent free. >>26135867

>>26135174
>even though its security is weaker than ETH

You got it complete opposite. AVAX is a masterclass of security, Avax is more decentralized by design+Resistent to double spend attack til 81% of the nodes are malicious.

>>26135289
You’re a dumbass, I hope you’re lying for the memes

>>26135774
Well if Hydra never comes XSN is useless.
The DEX can run without Hydra.

>>26136237
The dex even before hydra still uses XSN. The hubs are still made of masternodes which is made of XSN...

>>26136204
Nah, there is no slashing for malicious behavior.

>>26136339
There's no reason for them to be masternodes.

>>26136411
Masternodes make hubs (before hydra)
Hubs the dex.

Is this difficult to understand?

>>26136411
Something something 15000xsn collateral locked up in 1 node.

>>26136430
I've never read anywhere that hubs currently are masternodes. Hubs are just selected and run by the devs right now.

>>26136411
Masternodes host the xsn blockchain; Stakenet DEX is hosted on? The Stakenet blockchain.

>>26136462
Pretty certain devs have stated in the past that hubs are just masternodes.

>>26129900
GRT was only listed months ago, is below ATH, is essential web3 infrastructure, and is priced around 50c per token.
No sorry there is absolutely no opportunity left here.

>>26136430
Yes, that's the point. It doesn't make any sense, so it's very difficult to understand.

And how does a masternode make up a liquidity hub? What kind of liquidity hub? A hub filled up with XSN coin? Who cares? Who wants that?

It's not like an EVM compatible blockchain where you can have liquidity hubs made up of different token networks. Stakenet is built on BTC like blockchain tech, which is not optimized to run smart contracts.

It makes no sense at all.

>>26136539
The DEX is peer to peer. In the near term that locked 15000xsn can be used for many things (soon).
I didn't say anything about liquidity hubs.
Why do you keep posting the evm crap? It's old fud.

>>26133941
how big is bnb?

why is it valued the way it is? you don't need bnb for anything, you're just betting on binance raising the price of bnb by buying back and/or burning coins.

now, imagine that there was a decentralized, non-custodial dex with instant layer 2 cross-chain swaps that could complete with binance (and all the others) for market share, and the coin tied to it was an integral piece of ensuring liquidity, consensus and resilience to the dex's coin pairs.

that's xsn.

it's like binance, but the token is actually needed to realize a decentralized network of lightning routers with enough liquidity to allow for the volume of trades that will be powered by the new decentralized future.

>>26136488
The DEX doesn't rely on the blockchain at all right now.

Perhaps if a prerequisite for running a hub is having masternode collateral. Sure.

The chain isn't needed. Unless you're trading for XSN or converting and paying your fees in XSN to pay MNs during hydra

Even during Hydra they could just enable Smart Contracts that permit you to run a masternode as long as you lock up 20 ETH for example. And market buy ETH to pay your fees.

What gives XSN value is that it's planned for XSN to be the coin for that

>>26136614
Peer to peer in what sense? BTC lightning routing is peer to peer, but you're not trading BTC for another BTC unless you have a lightning node counterparty at another exchange. But I don't know if you can really consider it peer to peer unless you're running your own node.

>>26136667
>The DEX doesn't rely on the blockchain at all right now.
True. The chain is still needed for the xsn coin itself (tpos etc). Of course in Hydra that's where the blockchain becomes 'mandatory'.
>Even during Hydra they could just enable Smart Contracts that permit you to run a masternode as long as you lock up 20 ETH for example. And market buy ETH to pay your fees.
No it doesn't work that way because this isn't the eth blockchain. Eth blockchain doesn't connect layer 2 solutions, the stakenet blockchain does.
>>26136706
>peer to peer in what sense
It's peer to peer, how is this hard to understand? You put up an order, someone else can buy that order.

>>26136539
- How does the masternode make up a liquidity hub?

It has locked liquidity in channels on L2 which can be audited by the public/ blockchain (no liquidity no rewards)

- What kind of liquidity hub?
A hub filled with multi coin liquidity of course

It’s not like an EVM compatible blockchain
- Actually that’s exactly what it will be upgraded to, and will be made up of coins from all diff blockchains

This FUDer needs to really get a life. It’s so sad to see honestly

Good FUD, Grant.
Just another week or two and then you can let up and we should be off to the moon.

>>26136961
No, it won't be upgraded. You think it's that easy that a blockchain can simply be upgraded from UTXO to EVM compatible?

Give me a link to some docs so I can read this unbelievable bullshit for myself.

>>26137028
Leave me alone

>>26137151
It can do it off-chain.

>>26137522
Man, I'm not even going to entertain this. This is just too stupid for me. Stop lying to people. Fucking scammer.

>>26137585
OP here, I've read all your arguments, so let me ask you: what is a better investment in your eyes?

>>26137585
This is why they are teaming up with connext when it comes to the smart contract and evm side of things if that's what you keep bitching about.
You can keep throwing insults, if this helps you to sleep at night, more power to you.

I have nothing against you.

>>26137585
Kek, this guy has several buy orders on whitebit waiting to be filled. Just market buy you cheap fuck. Hope you get priced out

>>26136127
Faux peace is not an argument.

>>26137585
>Scam
>Nooo don't tell the truth
>You are the lier
Kys kike

>>26129900
you missed this cycle, don't buy at the top

So GRT is the only non shit coin out of OP?

>>26133651
>The fact is, nobody fucking wants BTC. People want wrapped and synthetic BTC because it's easier to trade without slippage.

>>26133651
Oh man. I almost responded, right up until
>nobody fucking wants BTC
I guess that's why Grayscale is buying up BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN BTC EVERY QUARTER SINCE Q4 2019?

lol

>>26131712
what do people call a suicide stack now?
since people are priced out of a masternode.

>>26141330
1MN is forever a suicide stack
3MNs is forever a make it stack
10MNs is fuck you money EOY 2021

>>26141400
yeah man link is still a 10k suicide stack, krappa

>>26141422
>I missed link
>that means your numbers are insane

buy whatever you want dude - I'm not here to tell you what to do with your money, you fucking asked, that's the discord-approved numbers.

>>26134983
>people prefer to put BTC on Eth rather than lock it up in lightning.
Lmao, cope harder faggot. Wrapped shit tokens are going to become obsolete thanks to how user friendly X9 made using lightning swaps.

>>26131031
The team has a a good head on them, they released an article about epos before Microsoft filed their patent

>>26130051
Not when bitfinex is about to pour billions through the dex

>>26129900
Keep in mind nothing has changed from a product perspective from XSN. No one is using the public beta dex because it’s broken af. And they claim that the closed beta is working, however all we have is Sony Vegas videos. Not real trades.

This happened in the summer. The price fell back after everyone realised that they didn’t have anything worth while

Just as an FYI to get you through the next couple of months while XSN tries to figure it’s shit out. OVM has soft launched on SNX. This means that soon all the major defi dapps like AAVE and UNI will onboard it also. Low eth gas fees. So you should buy bags of those tokens, because they will rocket this alt run.

If get doesn't hit 1 dollar it's not worth it over other options. So you either believe it will hit 1 dollar, in which case this is a good price, or you don't and should invest elsewhere

>>26141422
>krappa
bulldog?

>>26141330
With staking you could make enough for a MN with slighly less than 15k, depending on how long you are willing to wait. Most people who have researched Stakenet agree its not just a pump, its a long term utility prospect, so you might have more time than you think to grab a bit and stake your way up to one MN.

>>26129900
2016 December when ETH was $12 dollar and I saw ti being $8 dollar a few months before
I asked is this too late.
Nah, didnt even need to ask, a few days later ETH was $14.
It was too late.

I bought my first ETH at $450, still made profit.

>>26129900
rec a non KYC exchange I can buy these from please

>>26129900

Don't know about those other crapcoins but XSN under 1$ is early af.

>>26145047
For XSN use Whitebit today, no KYC if you keep it under 2BTC daily withdrawal or pay double tomorrow when Bitfinex lists it.

>>26145047
WhiteBit - XSN, 2 btc withdrawal per day no kyc required