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>Boomers actually thought RE was just supposed to print them money forever
>>26024478I have always been very hesitant about real estate especially because I live in a state with ridiculous tenant protections. Apparently there are ways to be safe about it but it requires actively discriminating against potential tenants.
>>26024478All my tenants have a 2 year max contract after that they fuck off.If they are decent I swop them to another property I own but they will get the 2 year max contract again.Been doing this for years.
Oh no there's risk in my investment and I didn't properly screen people using my stuff? Quelle suprise
people that hate on landlords are literal retards>wahhh i cant live for free in a house that someone else has to pay for
>>26024478I am a landlord myself. You can avoid these issues by hand picking your tenants yourself. Background and income check, and so on. I have not had any trouble so far with any of my tenants not paying rent.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN IF MY TENANT CAN'T PAY AND I CAN'T FIND ANYONE TO TAKE OVER THE LEASE IN A TIMELY FASHION THAT I HAVE TO EAT A FINANCIAL LOSS. THIS ISN'T FAAAAAAIRRRRRRRRR. I'M GONNA... I'M GONNA... I'M GONNA BLACKLIST MY TENANT AND MAKE SURE HE CAN NEVER HAVE HOUSING IN THIS COUNTRY EVER AGAIN
>>26024478>landlord can't afford to keep the home>sells it on market>tenants get evicted anyways
>>26024571Motherfucker of course you need to discriminate...
>>26024630t. LandlordGet a job and stop expecting other people to pay for you>>26024571Oh no not those tenant protections! It’s anuddah Shoah
>>26024478No stormfag its not da boomers
>>26024478real estate is a cash cow if you do it rightbeing a landlord is all about discriminationdiscriminate for better tenantsI'll give you my trick:your property is never 'for rent'instead, you are 'accepting applications'this way you can choose the best tenant, not merely the first one to show up.it might sound like a subtle difference, but it isn't.its better to keep your property unoccupied than to have a bad tenant.you're welcome
>>26024478why do rentoids feel entitled to live in someone else's property rent free? does it have to do with their mediocre IQ that leads them to be rentoids in the first place?
>mom-and-pop landlords
>>26024571>actively discriminating against potential tenantsof course you have to do this
>>26024700How about you get a job and pay your fucking rent?
>>26024745Yes stormfag that's a thing.
>>26024630Fuck off the system is very unfair towards non-investors. Investment property should he tax disadvantaged relative to a primary residence but there are insane tax advantages to owning rentals. The market is skewed in favor of landlords, and prices are ridiculous in part because everyone and their mother wants to be a slum Lord these days. You're a retard dude.
>>26024700>Get a job and stop expecting other people to pay for yourich coming from tenants currently living rent free and expecting the landlord to finance their dwelling. Get a fucking job and pay what you owe
>>26024606Yeah it's dumb, but I at least respect that they have some skin in the game. Subhuman tenants don't pay rent because they have nothing to lose. In the end this will result in much more stringent background checks and discriminatory practices by landlords. It will probably also result in banks not giving mortgages for rental properties out to any retard with a down payment. Apparently landlords in my city do keep secret databases of tenants so they know who not to accept.
You guys laugh but small time business owners and small time landlords are important for keeping a market and industry competitive and healthy. If they go away the big wigs buy up everything, jack up prices, and fuck their quality over.
>>26024721I don’t. I have a rent stabilized apartment.It’s just sad to see billion dollar real estate companies algorithmically buying all the property and making rent go up 6x. Why do landlords think the average major city landlord isn’t basically a computer program in 2020?
>>26024700fuck off to reddit
>>26024854Or yknow prices will come down a bit and encourage people to actually own a home.
>>26024802>Apparently landlords in my city do keep secret databases of tenants so they know who not to accept.I wonder if a certain 13% of the population is overrepresented in that database.
>>26024700If the state continues to refuse to process evictions legally then landlords will ultimately have to turn to mafia-types of organizations to get delinquent tenants out. Everyone has a breaking point.
>>26024854This already happened. Won’t someone PLEASE think of the mom and pop landlords? PLEASE!!! All policy on landlords should be made with these people in mind exclusively and ignore people treating something as dire as housing for struggling families as a speculatively investment market to increase their capital.
>>26024868>lives in rent-controlled apartment>blames landlords for rising rentstypical low-IQ rentoid. Any form of rent control just distorts market forces and makes it less desirable to build rental stock as the returns you can achieve on development are artifically capped. Lack of new supply = rising rents. Not that I'd expect a rentoid to understand economics. You just don't like having to pay money to live somewhere and take your pathetic frustrations out on the landlord since they're the most direct point of contact. Rent's still due on the first.
>>26024868The property tax system needs to be reworked to be progressive in terms of the number of residences owned. That would solve that issue.
>>26024969No one's talking to you
>>26024982My apartment was built before WWII. There’s new development going up outside my window. Stabilizing apartments with the rate of inflation makes a lot of sense.
>>26024969Correct.
>>26024950That's not gonna happen.
>>26024901On the multi-units and condos landlords usually buy? You know the SFH and MFH market are not 1:1, right? No you don't because you're a shitwit lifetime rentoid who doesn't understand market basics.
>>26024630>drives up the prices>average joe cant afford to buy anymore has to rent instead>if you don't like it you can just live in your car or somethingIt ought to become a trend to destroy shit in rentals, plumbing or the roof or some shit. I know I will.
>>26025075I'm not talking about multi units faggot
>>26024969I have an idea... why don't we let the government build and maintain housing for families? Oh wait, that's already been done... and it's been an absolute disaster.
>>26024969Back off to reddit you go, rentoid. Move along now.
>>26024868>making rent go up 6xgee if only there was a law that prevented such huge rent increases. oh wait, in my state, there is. >noooo you can't have the state regulate housing in any way. i'm a lolbertarian fuckwadlol k
>>26024602You’re a sack of shit
>>26025113That is what 90% of landlords own. Single family homes are pricey and the margins are terrible for renting them out because renters don't tend to want a whole house.
we could fix the cost of housing by making it illegal to rent out properties that aren't owned outright by the landlord
>>26025083Imagine actually voting for Trump whose live goal is all was all of this shady shit, owned thousands of rentals, actually used mafia-type control tactics to kick stabilized tenants out and then coming back and complaining that there aren’t protections in place for renters.Of course not, you fucking retard, you actively voted against these protections. He didn’t build the wall. He didn’t do shit. He just made your life worse.
>>26025039>My apartment was built before WWII.this is common in a lot of cities because it made more sense back then to build purpose-rental apartments. In most major metros the math no longer pencils with the cost of land and entitlements since cities are full of NIMBYs. That leads to a lack of supply, which over time leads to supply shortage against rising demand = rising rents>There’s new development going up outside my windowAnd I'll bet its targeted at the luxury high end because that's the only segment of the market where for-rental development had started to make sense pre-pandemic. That's the segment that's been hurt the most through COVID which means you'll see less of that going forward.Stabilizing rent at all is retarded because you're just distorting market forces and it only ever ends up working for those lucky enough to scoop rent stabilized units.
reminder that all the "landlords" here own shitty 30k shacks at best and think this makes them superior to other people xD
>>26025136Funny how the """"""""rent controlled""""""""" markets have the far and away worst rents in the entire nation huh? Almost like negative pressure on supply just leads to the opposite effect you're intending.Protip: the answer is relaxing zoning and regulation and letting builders cram in to address surging rent rates.
>>26024969pack the fuck up and move somewhere cheaper if you're too low IQ to earn enough to live in your current city, you fucking loser. No one has the RIGHT to live in desirable urban areas.
>>26025174see that's a good idea. fuck retards getting a mortgage and renting it out
>>26025120Why not keep people from buying 800 properties with diminishing returns on real estate so we don’t have megacorp owning everything?Oh yeah, soon to be former president was CEO of megacorp. But the projects failed which has nothing to do with who occupied them whatsoever.
>>26025113the vast majority of institutional landlords own multifamily units, not single-family rental. SFR is still an emerging asset class although there are a few large public and private players working to consolidate the space. tick tock, wagie.
>>26025052Yes it will. The government cannot order landlords to maintain housing for tenants who aren't paying their rent, while also demanding property tax that can't be collected because there is no rental income. I heard papa joe's speech last night and he brought it up, hopefully something is done about it soon.
>>26025259sell your shitty property if you can't get enough rental income to pay your mortgage. nobody has a right to rental properties.
>>26025148Don't tell me about single family you fucking retard I know more about that shit than you do. Single family homes can have a 10% capitalization rate where I live - easily. That's not unusual. Renters absolutely want a house you think people want to be crammed into a shitbox with a bunch of mexicans and paper thin walls? Jesus dude.
>>26025215I'm literally putting all my crypto gains into premium real estate
Why the fuck are there so many commies on /biz/ all of a sudden?
>>26025259I already figured it out. I have a giant apartment for cheap. I just don’t want to see New York go to boring people named “Stacy” who works in “web/ux design” and works all day to afford her rent and is 120k in debt. I guess it’s inevitable.
>>26025266>Why not keep people from buying 800 properties with diminishing returns on real estate so we don’t have megacorp owning everything?I'm not entirely opposed to this
>>26025313I'm not talking about Jew York or other such hellholes - let niggers rot in high rise apartments. I'm talking about the rest of America.
>>26025325my property is actually quite nice because i've reinvested in it over the years with money earned from wagies paying me rent and above-guideline increasesfeels good knowing rentoids fund my capital improvements which increases my asset value, allowing me to refinance the mortgage with greater proceeds and pull my equity out
>>26025356>thinking landlords are scum makes u a commieee drrrrrrrr
>>26025356Honestly fixing the amount of money people can passively earn through economic exploitation was what made Hitler so popular in the first place. It’s not just a commie mentality to not want certain people to own all the property.
>>26025339No you don't shithead. You literally broadcast your ignorance.
>>26024802Or it might result in cheaper houses so that tenants can be home owners instead. Oh wait, we will own nothing and we'll be happy
NOOOOO WTF AN ASSET CLASS CAN'T HAVE VOLATILITY IF MOST PEOPLE ARE PRICED OUT NOOOOOOO!!!!Landlords to stupid to understand assets come with liabilities. Even if just in a temporary sense.
>>26025356Eviction moratorium is ending and they have to pay their rent again. Now they're going to have an eviction on their record and won't be able to live anywhere LMAO. Rest in peace worms
>>26025393as an investor in INVH and AMH I enjoying knowing they continue to gobble up single family homes that otherwise would go to fags like you
>>26025409yeah, that's why landlords are scum. thanks for making it explicit.
>>26025450If you live in the United States, you are unbelievably useless if you can't manage house here. The financing for a home is baby's first purchase in a global sense. Like 3% down through FHA. Jesus Christ.
>>26025356trying to radicalize trump supporters that are demoralized
>only rent to military members>never have to worry about rent getting paid, if they try to stiff me I just call their command and get the military to take their money and give it to me first>if they break shit tell their command and get them in trouble>if they're older than 25 they're basically as mature and stable as a civilian 40 year old, have never had a problem in five yearsIt's easy as fuck to discriminate too, since their paystubs are very explicit about them being in the military and even lists the little code for their command, very easy to look up online and find out who their commanding officer is and get their contact information. I don't even think it's illegal, it's great.
>>26025421The first result I get for this quote on google is from r/socialism. Unironically kill yourself commie redditor scum.
>>26025516The renters are getting something out of the deal though: a nice place to live. Would you rather the landlord just ignore his property and let it fall into disrepair so you can have a cheaper price? What are you looking for exactly? Communism? You're a fucking commie aren't you
>>26025423Wrong as always stormfag
>>26024700Based. Fuck the polcels
>>26025609Its a stormfag>>26025423
>>26025609You know the kids that expected their parents to always pay for and handle everything their entire life and never even learned how to wipe their own ass? They grew up. Some of them post on /biz/ unfortunately.
>>26025423I don't give a fuck what Hitler did and what jews do. It's my god given right to buy and sell as much property as I want and offer it for rent to whoever I want to.
>>26025423socialism isn't good. It only worked because they got to kill off the dregs.
>>26025516nah just smarter than you, which is why you're a rentoid and I actually own something
>>26024478Nonpayers of rent deserve to live in homeless camps
>>26025559This is a good idea... property near a military installation. Also maybe higher end housing in a college town in some rust belt shithole region. Only professors and students with massive student loans/parents who can cosign will be able to afford it
>>26024643This. Imagine if people in other asset classes were this petty. I mean some are, there are Class Action Shareholder lawsuits all the time, because these fucking nig- excuse me, boomers and millenials feel entitled to bulletproof risk free gains in excess of 20% pa. I hate people who think capitalism = risk free, get rich quick bullshit. I took 25% losses more than once, and I just held, because I realised long term I will still be far better off than most other people. Fuck Landlords
>>26025423>economic exploitationpaying rent to live somewhere isn't "exploitation" you fucking parasite. Feel free to buy your own place if you don't want to rent
>>26025709most landies i know inherited their property, sooo fuck off.
>>26025749someone in their lineage had to be the first to buy it to begin withhow about you stop your lineage from being genetic dead ends and acquire property yourself?
>>26025749Well every landlord i know is an immigrant who came here and worked their ass off. It's all anecdotal
>>26025609i'd rather the state take over the property like they're doing in spain right now, asswipe.
>>26024643having to evict non-payers isn't anything new and landlords are prepared to take that losswhat they aren't prepared for is government changing the rules of the game in the middle of it and forcing you to halt evictions of non-payersat least with equities if you own something thats tanking you can sell it at any moment
>>26025748>>26025790>just be lucky and be born into wealthYeah you stupid trump voting incel, this would be great in theory, but it does not happen. Exploiting people for financial gain is also not some outlandish abstract concept you fucking nitwit. The game is rigged and most people are born to lose.
>>26024478My tenants are retirees on fixed incomes. I haven’t raised their rent in 4 years. Not raising it now. They just reupped their lease. Pays to not be a greedy slimeball.
>>26024478Not being able to evict their squatting tenants who aren't paying rent is extremely fucked up. They should be kicked to the curb, and then forced to find other accommodations on their own. Placing the burden on landlords is fucked up.
>>26024478>tie your livelihood on other people >wtf why isn't this stable
>>26025609>Landlords are honestly so great, this is why I, a sociopathic incel narcissist, has to defend them on a right wing pretzel baking forum
>>26025863>trying to profit off housing comes with certain obligations, like helping to prevent pandemic spread (and lots of other things you should know about if you aren't retarded)if you don't like it, try getting rich off crypto like us normal people
>>26024571Imagine not discriminating against low quality blacks....that’s real estate suicide.
>>26024571>discriminating against potential tenantsJust don't be a sperg about it, but yes this is the most necessary thing you need to do as a landlord. My 92 year old grandpa in Colorado won't even rent out to gay people lol.
It should be illegal to rent out residential property with a mortgage on it. Only fully paid off housing should be allowed to rent out. Otherwise you're just encouraging destructive and parasitic economic behavior. However, it has been fun to see over-leveraged landlords get fucked hard by the pandemic.inb4 "seething rentoid" I live in a house I own
>>26025889that's life faggot, so either accept your station in life as a low-IQ rentoid or go make something of yourself you fucking pussy. No one here wants to subscribe to your little pity party.
>>26024717>its better to keep your property unoccupied than to have a bad tenant.this
>>26025901>I want risk free investment opportunities and I want to exploit people as I see fit, everyone should be homeless because my Money is more dear to me than anything else I would honestly like to see you hanged by a bunch of nig nogs
>>26025693This poster wears a tiny hat
>tfw homeowner hearing renters and landlords seeth at one another
>>26025901>just kick out people in winter in middle of a pandemic bro!yep, you truly are a subhuman.
>>26024602Why just don't you let them in the same place?
>>26025910>forced to provide services to customers who refuse to pay>'wtf why are landlords so greedy?'A business being forced to provide services to its customers who refuse to pay should be against the law in itself (it probably is unconstitutional)
>>26024717exactly>get into rental real estate in a college town>rent exclusively to asian guys in stem>no parties, no damage, never a late payment
>>26024779>yes stormfag that’s a thing
>>26026049it's housing. it's different than other "services". deal with it, faglord.
>>26025978>It should be illegal to rent out residential property with a mortgage on it.luckily no one cares what you think lmao. Using leverage amplifies my yield so I'm good, thanks
>>26025978This. Youre leveraging the fact that you somehow could get a credit before everyone else, and then make them pay a premium and then also whine about how unfair it is that you have to take some responsibility.Landlords are utterly decrepit humans, and my family owns multiple real estate, but to expect guaranteed income is beyond me.
>>26026052light skinned asians are by far the best tenants you can have
>>26026010not everybody, just rent-dodgers. They deserve to die penniless on the streets like the vermin they are
>>26025973professional gay men over 35 aren't bad to rent tohowever lesbians are badthat being said, a legitimate gay professional couple is going to have plenty of money, so they'd buy a house
>>26025746This. When my stocks tank I don’t stamp my feet and demand the government bail me out. Fuck all these boomers and grifters who thought they could have someone else pay their mortgage forever.
>>26026010>>26026037>forced to be homelessYou can still find places to live in section 8. Its not my problem you live above your means, working a job in a totally fucking useless industry that can just be eliminated by a coof. Do you think the banks are going to go easy on the landlords for not being able to pay their mortgages? No. You're basically saying that your standard of living matters more than theirs does, just because you make worse financial decisions. Do you really think the CCP state-owned investment firm that will buy up your landlord's foreclosed property that you live in, after your landlord is forced out by the bank, is going to treat you any better?Your arguments are totally short-sighted.
>>26026200>When my stocks tank I don’t stamp my feet and demand the government bail me out.cool story bro, I wonder if you'd maintain the same tone if the government banned you from selling those stocks as they continued to tank
>>26024774only a fucking retard would do that when I have the full backing of the might of the government on my side as I steal your property. You better say thank you for the privilege too you uppity landlord. You’re lucky us tenants are letting you off this easy simply wanting equality instead of revenge.
>>26026037My friend moved to a new city on a whim and almost instantly got a job at UPS, and he does Doordash on the side. There are plenty of jobs out there, people literally just don't want to work.
>>26025726Exactly. Location location location. Government employees are just about the safest people to rent to because they haven't had a skipped paycheck in what, 50 years? And they're impossible to fire. Military is slightly more risky if you don't know how to get them in trouble at work but if you do it's like having insurance that pays double in the event of any problems.
>>26026049>buys all the property >artificially inflates price >market rents skyrocket >wtf why don’t you appreciate me for my service Hope you lose everything parasite
>>26026037pay your rent and you wont get evicted, simple as>>26026231of course they're shortsighted, hes an emotional low-IQ rentoid. If he could make better logical deductions and decisions he likely wouldn't be renting
>>26026136Can confirm. I have a Taiwanese couple as tenants of a condo. He has a good, safe job. Extremely clean, pay on time, very polite, almost shy.
>>26024901Delusional commie.>just kill all the kulaks>omg the mega rich now own all that land wtf>but that wasn't real communism
>>26026252>revengerevenge will come when the landlord gets tired of your shit and either burns the place down for the insurance money or pays the local mafia to break your fucking legs in the middle of the night you vermin
>>26026200The fact that they then have the gall to call people commies for not footing their bill is ridicoulus. Most tenants of these shitholes would most likely not even find tenants right now, because newsflash boomies and rightcels, people who lose their income are usually a big socio-economic group and most of the people are rather similar in their income and ability to make ends meet. As you said, fuck landlords who hand credit over to others at a premium and think this should be a risk free investment.
>>26026239The government isn’t stopping you from selling your house
>>26026239Buy and hold faggot. I also don’t take out 300k loans to buy stocks and then seethe when the market has a downturn, unlike grifters like you.
>>26024478As someone who is invested in rental properties, I literally don't give a shit. This is why "mom and pop" ultimately they fail - they have zero diversity. I also have no sympathy for someone who makes their profit off of inducing market conditions that make it impossible for other people to own, forcing rentals into an economic necessity, only to then bitch and moan about the people they're fucking having to live and the law not allowing them to turn swathes of people into homeless, further damaging the economy.None of my tenants have paid rent every month since covid kicked out. Once the stay home orders went out, I sent them new leases stating they could pay when they could, and no back payments would be owed. I've lost $40,000 of income, while they've maintained healthy, happy lives. Oh, the fucking horror, when I'm still clearing more annually than any of my tenants will likely make in the next 10 years. What a fucking drag, man.Listening to you inhumane fucks makes me want to support actual communists.
Would it be a good idea to buy multiple properties by the time I am 40? If they are valued below 100k (multiple living spaces) but located in California
>>26026239that wouldn't happen because selling stocks doesn't directly put lives in danger, moron
>>26025950>trying to profit off housing comes with certain obligations, like helping to prevent pandemic spreadNo it doesn't retard
>>26026239Nobody is forcing you to keep these properties, you can sell them you stupid, lying, hypocrite feudalist nigger.
>>26026333>t. 15 year old edgy libertarianget a life, kid.
So what happens if a landlord cant pay their mortgage and the bank forecloses on the property? Do the renters get evicted anyway?
>>26025200Same as the tax argument: you have to be dumb not to take advantage of it, corrupt not to change it
Also another reminder to landchads to avoid deep blue statist shitholes, with their constant shutdowns and rent control. Let them drown under the weight of their idiotic decisions.
>>26026338no, but they're stepping into and interfering with contractual obligations between two parties>>26026351because you're a poorfag who could never get 300k in margin loans even if you tried
>>26026384the state seems to think so. you know, the state that allows you to own and rent out properties. so you better suck it up, buttercup.
>>26026333look up what happened to landlords during the freat leap forward dumbcunt. get ready for it, that’s the future of bidens america
>>26024643This. It’s astounding how much elitism and entitlement comes out of landlords when things get a widdle bit hard for them. There is no such thing as guaranteed gains or income, much less during a global catastrophe. Be happy you own a home at all, you risk-intolerant pussies.
>>26026353Stop LARPing
>>26026353Youre a great guy man, its rare to see people in your position with actual dignity and morals. I am certain these people appreciate it a lot.
>have a reasonably priced starter home for $150k>flipper dives in with cash and puts $60k of work in it>sells it for $290kFlipper scum are worse than landlords imo
>>26024982it is already distorted
>>26026239>investing with money you aren't prepared to lose>taking a loan out to investLandlords are the retards of the investing world.
>>26026416no, it gets bought up at auction, usually at a huge discount by some other (usually much larger) landlording company, whose first order of business will be having all the pending evictions processed for the tenants who refuse to pay rent. Or they'll just evict everyone to renovate and then rent the units for much more.
>>26026362pay your rent and you won't be in any danger>>26026405rich coming from an anti-landlord commie faggot. I bet you work at starbucks>>26026462American leftists are weak, both physically and mentally. They won't ever do shit beyond LARP on the internet about expropriation
>>26026239The actual equivalent would be the government saying no dividends this time, which would be completely justifiable.
>>26026353Based moral compass anon. World would be brighter with more people thinking about the bigger picture like you are.
>>26026231CCP can't operate in the US anymore fag
>>26026521Jesus, I just realised you are right. People would tell you that youre insane for doing this with stocks or crypto but with houses thats okay because its "risk free".
>>26026561You couldnt even reply to everyone who called you out on your "what if they banned stock sales" whining, you little trump nigger.
>>26026353>None of my tenants have paid rent every month since covid kicked out. Once the stay home orders went out, I sent them new leases stating they could pay when they could, and no back payments would be owed. I've lost $40,000 of income, while they've maintained healthy, happy lives. Oh, the fucking horror, when I'm still clearing more annually than any of my tenants will likely make in the next 10 years. What a fucking drag, man.you're ruining the market for honest businesses if that's true
>>26026505>does $10k in cosmetic restoration>house is now worth $75,000 more because they said soI wonder why housing is so prohibitively expensive for most people.
>>26026465Eviction is a natural risk. The government swooping in and suddenly saying it's illegal to evict is not. It's borderline unconstitutional for them to unemploy 30% of the population because of a marginally deadly disease as well.
>>26024571How stupid do you need to be to not discriminate lol
>>26026700“Honest businesses” is an oxymoron
>>26026353based>>26026495>>26026435Seething jude
>>26026521Who said to buy the property with a loan? You have the money, then buy, then rent out.
>>26026716Risk is risk; doesn’t matter if it’s a meteor or a government shutdown. Sorry you had learn that all investing comes with risk attached.
>>26026604>implying they wont just use shell companiesbut my racism aside, they will just be bought up by larger companies who will give less of a shit about the current tenants than your current landlord.
>>26024571Background checks are standard now. It's as simple as avoiding anyone with sub 600 credit and/or an eviction on their record. You've just protected yourself significantly as with most things it's all about repeat offenders.
>>26026754Truer words were never spoken, anon.
>>26024478there already is such a thing as public housing you commies want so bad. the rent is like $100 and no one makes profit from it because the government owns it.it's called projects. guess what? it's filled with niggers.if you hate landlords, you can go there. but no, you want to live in luxury housing with working people who can afford quality. too bad parasite
>>26026561>American leftists are weak, both physically and mentallyvery true, but the hypercapitalists that own the media/social media/eected officials and control their lives and political views want to buy your properties for pennies on the dollar. They can make the tenants and politicians act irrational longer than you can stay solvent.
>>26026790Yeah and you being a fucking retard that can't figure out how to take advantage of America's incredibly lax and easy state subsidized mortgage financing is a risk as well. I'm sorry about your smooth brain. Better luck on the next roll.
>>26026700Literally the opposite
>>26026700>youre YOURE RUINING THE MARKEET WONT YOU THINK OF THEEE MARKET?!? YOU CAN NOT JUST MAKE LIVING EXPENSES CHEAPER FOR PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM TREADING WATER OR LET THEM DROOOOOOOWN!!?? WTF I AM GOOONNA, IM GONNA REPLY TO YOU! Are you ok there "free market" poseur?
>>26026840there isn't enough of it to go around because landlord kikes lobby the government to restrict its development, asswipe
>>26026788The ones who are operating without mortgages arent the ones bitching about the crisis causing issues with renters.
>>26026094
>>26026716Yeah I’m not about to feel bad for the owner class that’s pissed down on everybody else for generations. Please bottle and mail me your tears, I’ll pay $100/gal. Maybe you can recoup some of your lost leeching.
>>26026850I own my own home anon. I also have zero sympathy or respect for landlords scum.
>>26026910He just said they were really cheap, which they are. Not a problem with a supply. A problem with you not liking the location.
>>26026940>owner classLol, I was born and raised poor and that's why my mind is naturally money and business oriented. Sorry you never took the next step and figured out how to play the game. If you can't cut it in the richest and easiest country on the planet you deserve death. Our minimum wage is middle class in the rest of the hemisphere.
>>26026966no, it is a problem with supply. you don't know what you're talking about. if you want public housing, you go on a wait list that is like 5 years long.
>>26027027Maybe if you want to live in New York City. How about you move to one of the other million cities in the country
>>26026353Nice LARP reddit faggot
>>26027131>all landlords have to be vampyrical bloodsuckers who exploit everyone of their tenants, nobody could actually be diversified, able to stand a crisis and not get pissy and demand handouts.
>>26027131>I'm totally a big hat landlord with tons of properties and also I rent vegan and gluten friendly apartments out and also I love all people and don't charge them anything and I'm super successful and wow all you other landlords are so mean and fucked in the head wtf I like communists now
>>26027131>a landlord who isn't a complete dickheh, nice larp
>>26027068>just dont work man, just stay poor forever and live in da projects, or pay your landlord 50% of your net income for delivering you a shitty cardboard and plywood room.
Still use fucking non-profitalbe mining rofl? Check it: https://twitter.com/dao_duck/status/1338181297257263112?s=20Your Daddy is here now!
Watch as the government bails them out at the expense of future tax payers. Boomers are the most spoilt and coddled generation - they’re not allowed to experience any sort of challenge or difficulty.
>>26027246Or... buy a house for $140k anywhere in the midwest or southeast. Do the bare minimum. Or kys
>>26027182Well, based on all the seething supposed landlords ITT...
>>26027015I did learn to play the game, just not the “leeching exorbitant rent rates off of poor people with no other option” game, like you did. >B-b-but I grew up poor!I bet you actually believe that, too.I’ve got friends raised by parents who made upper 6-figures and they described their childhood as “poor” because our town is a poor area.
>>2602597899% of people are cattle that deserved to be milked for their shekels.
>Government imports foreigners en masse, driving up house prices (good for owners, bad for the foreigners, worse for the local people)>foreigners mean excess people in the job market, driving down wages and making it even harder to do anything - especially buy a house>government prints more and more Fiat, reducing purchasing power - making it impossible for locals to buy a home>government officials use their salary to buy more homesLandlords are the ultimate kikes. Lazy fucks that are fucking over future generations along with the power in power.
>>26026353Incredibly based if actually true. >>26026435>no, but they're stepping into and interfering with contractual obligations between two partiesThat's not exactly untread territory for the government. Especially when they are the ones forcing people to be unable to work. Sorry you can't force people into homelessness right now, maybe you shouldn't have over-leveraged yourself if it's such a big deal for you. If you want sympathy go over to the BP forums. No one here gives a single fuck.>>26026716A natural risk is also that you are going to lose your tenant and be unable to replace them, this is effectively the same thing. Maybe you should have screened your tenants better.Sorry you thought the infinite debt cycle was going to last forever and you could just keep kicking the can down the road as long as you could charge unaffordable (((market))) rents to cover your ass. Go sell your house if you can't hack it
>>26027396tldr your stormfag bullshit
>>26026353LARP
>>26027477>polcel calling the kettle black
>>26027362Nah, poor like "pants from Goodwill", "food from Aldi and food pantries", "McDonald's is a luxury item" poor you stupid faggot. I don't exploit anybody, I buy a place and rent it out for an agreed upon rate other people find acceptable. And I maintain their habitat to the best of my ability.Ironically enough, this is only a lucrative thing for me thanks to the state subsidizing mortgages (read: interventionism) and making it profitable. This happened because people whined about mortages being hard to qualify for. As it turns out, you keep whining, the state keeps intervening, and it just makes things more ridiculous.Anyway, I'm hardly rich, I'm just running a small operation. You're a crab in a bucket and clawing for me because I'm almost out. Figure something out for yourself you caveman.
>>26026333>28 year old Chang arrested for starting a house fire in Queens, killing his tenants, on his foreclosed propertyHope you enjoy jail, Chang. Hope being a tough guy on the internet was worth a lifetime in a cage.
>>26027310>Buy a house someplace where there is no workgreat idea man, you should be a financial advisor, maybe that would be a more fruitful endeavour than sucking landlord cock on a right wing sex exchange board
ITT: Seething r*ntoids2 things in life are guaranteedRent and tips
>>26027027maybe you should realize some people are less fortunate than you sweatyif you are young and able bodied you should be able to work and afford rent. in a reel communist nation you'd be sent to gulag. nothing is free even in communist countries.
>>26027704you forgot the third part:polcels shitting up every single thread.
>>26027647I'm here right now. There is work, there is opportunity. Stop mucking about in post-opportunity shitholes. Just like coins and stocks pump and dump, regions of the US pump and dump. Move to Florida, NC, Texas, or even Ohio.
>>26026850seems like you're the one getting taken advantage of here, mr. smarty pants big brain.>>26026934>no u >>26026840No you fucking retard, you have to qualify for that. So your options are A) make a modest living between $50-80k/yr and then get rekt by parasitic kike landlords rent gouging B) make next to nothing and apply for section 8 with no guarantee you get on because there is a list and guess what, niggers are at the front of it. Faggot>>26027068>just go move somewhere else >meanwhile aspiring and established coastal parasites are grabbing up property all over the country, arbitraging their coastal wages in the midwest and south. How about you get fucked>>26027477stay mad you fucking pea brained faggot
>>26027315says more about 4chan posters than landlords. I've actually mainly had good experiences with landlords over the years. they just should be reasonable and realize they are basically leeching off working people, and thus they should be lenient towards tenants whenever possible. This is why "mom and pop landlords" who are in debt up to their eyeballs are pieces of garbage because they can't afford leniency of any kind.
>>26025846LMAO. Enjoy your public housing prole. If you think private landlords, just wait until the government is your landlord.
>>26027817>mass reply spammer unable to form a single compelling thought
>>26026185Seriously. One of the richest people I know is a gay interior designer that runs a successful firm in town. The stereotypes are true lol.
>>26027938Government taking property from absentee chink owners is based though.
>>26027999>no you can't just reply to people on a message boardCome back with an argument you double nigger
>>26026840It's really the illusion of choice. Unless your parents let you live with them, you can either: a) sleep to the sound of gunshots because you MAYBE get to live in Section 8, b) be ready to put down 20% on a house and MAYBE win the bid or c) as some anon said, "get rekt by landlords."
>>26028004They don't have children to get distracted by, their careers are their lives. And they tend to combine male ambition with feminine attention to detail and wagieness, it's a lucrative combo.
>>26025846>I'd rather the state take over the propertyThanks for revealing your hand, commie.
>mfw I own a property in a gentrifying area outside an elite research university and rent exclusively to graduate and professional studentsIt's free money. Maybe these slumlords should've had more foresight.
>>26028076I'm saying you just wasted a lot of time there just to hear yourself speak lmfao. You should try taking smaller bites and address one topic at a time, it's more in your wheelhouse.
>>26024602I fucking hate larping commies but I hope they burn your minecraft castle to the ground. Assholes like you are the reason people want the government involved becuase they're desperate, everything will get so much worse becauseof you.
This post (and all posts about landlords) are a great example of why the globalhomo are the elites, and we're the peasants.They can fuck us over brutally, and we start fighting amongst ourselves and destroying each other.It's honestly impressive how well they have us trained, at this point.And no, I'm not a landlord, hell I'm a renter. I just know who my real enemy is while the rest of you get distracted by the shiny objects that are dangled in front of you.
>>26024478>gee I can't wait to spend 40% of my monthly income just to have a roof and a bed because my parents weren't here to buy dirt cheap real estate 30 years agoLandlords are disgusting leeches and anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. I'm not saying you can't be a landlord but don't pretend you're some kind of a saint.
>>26028093or D.) put 3.5% down with FHA and buy a comfy but mediocre home in a safe lower-middle class neighborhood which is affordable to everyone outside of absolute minimum wage workers
>>26028107>the state prevents housing units from sitting dormant for no good reasonomg commieeeeee
>>26026940Lmao mouth breather. What do you think is going to happen? The small guys will become insolvent and bought up by giant management companies. You're actively advocating for massive centralization of rent to the .1%. Midwits in action
>>26028157>my parents weren't hereWhere were they? Are you a fucking immigrant? If so you shouldn't be allowed to own property in the first place. Go back to your country
>>26028155>your real enemy is a pol conspiracy and a white paper they have not read but that sounds BIG and INTIMIDATING, it's not the guy that actually drains you for every cent you haveOk Faggot. I think people are justified in hating landlord gib sissies
>>26025889The problem is that with rentals you can “afford” better quality housing. Who wants to pay the same in a mortgage for a one bedroom when you can have a two bedroom? Who wants to buy a crappy second hand car when you can get a BMW with a nice balloon payment for the same repayment? Then even better after 4 years they will “purchase” your BMW and you can get a knew one!People live beyond their means and even though the other guy is a condescending douche he has a point. He has suffered for years to afford his second property but he did that suffering and is not looking back. Here is the real red pill, you too can be like him but you have to be prepared to suffer for it. No PlayStation 5s no 65inch TV because it has 4K and is “so much better” than your 55 inch TV.
>>26025220>Protip: the answer is building literal dystopian beton jungle ghettosWhy are Americans like this?In my post-soviet country unironically one of the best housing are large multi-story blocks of flats build during the communism. They were cheap, are ugly, but at least they were planned properly and built to last. Literally the only thing commies did right.
>>26028270fuck off nigger I'm from a post soviet shithole and nobody in my family chose to move here.
>>26028270>Advocates for free market solutions>Actively goes agains them when the free market doesnt do what he likes Tell me again, how youre different from commies you little cumstain?
>>26028290How is this a point at all? Housing comes in all shapes and sizes here. Zoning/regs holds up the entire process, I'm not talking about turning everything into a suburb you dumbfuck I'm talking about being allowed to build anything at all. You can't even build a commie block in much of California without sucking the dick of every local magistrate and waiting for 5 years.
>>26028270you say that but we all know you landkikes secretly love immigration because it boosts your property values.
>>26028011In theory. In practice, it's going to become public housing, destroying neighborhoods, and further reducing housing supply for everyone who's not homeless. Empty apartments don't depress neighborhoods or damage local economies. Public housing does both in spades, and destroys the buildings themselves
>>26028287What kind of projection is that you polcel spastic? I save 1500 dollars of my 2400 dollar paycheck every month and put it into crypto or stocks. I am living with the bare minimum and I am not whining, I just hate boomers and people that think its all about "just pulling yourself up by the bootstraps" and spending less
>>26028157What is the alternative, you absolute tool?Everyone should just build a house for themselves? Or maybe get a house for free just because?Everyone wants to live in a nice apartment close to the centre, but there are a finite apartments and space. Like everyone wants a full bitcoin, but there are only 21 m of them, sounds familiar?Get it to your thick commie zoomer brain.
>>26028382Zoning has some utility though - for example ensuring that nobody will build a fucking factory next to your new house, driving the property price and standard of living wayy down.But yeah, too strict zoning is retarded. Not sure how it is in your country, so you may have a point.
>>26028011>Give government rights to do good>Government uses them to "do good">Rich get richer, poor get poorer>"But we just tried to do good"
>>26028492It really is, to a point. No amount of bootstrapping will help if you're stupid. I'm literally schizoid and I built myself up with 1k, I'm just fortunate that I'm intelligent. If I was average or below average I'd be huddled under a bridge rn like most people like me.
>>26028594I didn't say strike it all down, I said neuter the kingmakers who are ruining some of the highest demand parts of the United States. When the government gets all the say, it starts profiting off of that power. This concept that the government is just naturally altruistic and not its own profiteering, power hungry organization like all the others.. absurd. And damaging. They're best when kept as referees, cancer when promoted to manager.
>>26028443>more housing reduces housing supplythis is your brain on libertarianism
>>26028501Affordable prices. Renting is morally fine but spending 70% of a salary for a cardboard cube is bullshit
>>26028443Apartments sitting empty because they’re being used as speculative assets absolutely does hurt neighborhoods, not to mention housing supply and the living situation of working people. Absentee owners are a drain on the economy. But keep serving your God of Capital.
>>26028704Public housing houses subhumans. Normal people see their housing reduced. The neighborhoods they can feel safe in shrink, they have to move or pay higher rent in a nicer area. So yes, for actual productive people, public housing does reduce supply
>>26028107Go read the 25 points
>>26028752They're a drain in that they reduce supply by the number of apartments available. That's nothing compared to what public housing does. It only takes one to collapse a neighborhood. 2 buildings will make an area unlovable unless you happen to have a crack habit
>>26028674>I didn't say strike it all down, I said neuter the kingmakers who are ruining some of the highest demand parts of the United States.>When the government gets all the say, it starts profiting off of that power>This concept that the government is just naturally altruistic and not its own profiteering, power hungry organization like all the others.. absurdDangerously based. I came here to shitpost, but you're just too reasonable. I concede my point, good luck in your future /biz/ endavours.
>>26028443You are fucking dumb man, in my country there's whole regions of second homes locked away from the local populace by foreign buyers. I say let the Chinese find another way of hiding their wealth away, and reduce the severity of the housing crisis
>>26025258What's wrong with renting out rooms in my own home to help pay my mortgage? I sacrificed a lot of cash for the down payment, shoulder some risk, perform or pay for basic maintenance, and pay for utilities. If anything this would hurt smaller investors like me who use renting to help speed up paying off my mortgage. Should you also not be allowed to use AirBnB for extra cash if you have a mortgage. I thought this was America. .
>>26028501>Everyone should just build a house for themselves? Or maybe get a house for free just because?Yes.
>>26028728Ironically, rent prices in major cities frequently do not cover the costs. The real value in landlording is not the shitty rent checks that you'll end up spending to repair whatever the tenants inevitably break, it's the appreciation on a property that pays it's own mortgage. If the property value is not rising, most landlords are losing money
>>26028094ya, the more and more I've been exposed to it, the more I see that gays are actually really good for the economy. They consume a lot, but also provide a lot of value back, which is an insane combo, economically. And ya as you said, they pretty much take from the best of both sides for success in today's society. Sure they may lack the testosterone/aggression needed to flourish 5000 years ago, but its not like I ever really need to fight my way out of situations now, or even ever come in contact with anyone or any animal physically in order to provide for myself
>>26028728You know that you can just move out to a cheaper city right?Imagine that everyone in the US wanted to live in a single city. Rent prices would skyrocket, because only the richest people would be able to rent a house (there is a finite number of homes and space available). There's no good way around this. When people stop buying/renting houses at that prices, the price will lower.
>>26028899I once rented a room from a woman who did exactly that, and she couldn't handle it because I brought a woman home to have sex with some nights. LOL
>>26025863>what they aren't prepared for is government changing the rules of the game in the middle of it and forcing you to halt evictions of non-payersSame thing happened with retail business owners.Oh you had a 20 year old successful family restaurant? Well guess what you physically can't operate anymore.And the landjew still wants his toll.t. government
>>26028881If they seize it and sell it, great. They almost certainly will not. They're not doing that in Spain, they're creating affordable housing. Ao great for you if you're a crack addict. If you're middle class, it will have zero affect on housing prices
>>26026716I agree Anon, Also by banning evictions its now official that the govt has seized control of american citizens private property and forced landlords to deal and pay the brunt of this "health" crisis. The forbearance helps in some way but there are so many people who own their property outright and dont have millions in cash sitting on the side lines to weather the govt Socializing their house. The mom and pop landlord is very much a real thing in the outer boroughs of NY and chicago.
>>26028916Which one? They're pretty much exclusive.Renting as a concept was created precisely because not everyone wants to own a house. I change the city I live in every other year and I like it.And property prices are one of the things I take into consideration when moving. Like, I lived in London for a year, but they can fuck themselves with that prices (I lived in Zone 1, because I like walking). I don't want a free apartment from muh government. It was tried before, and it doesn't work.
>>26029021Lol. This is why I keep a healthy distance from my roommates and mind my own business.
>>26029036I know it's easy to want to punish people down on their luck, who've made some stupid decisions, but I believe that in the long run it's better to help them out - they're not going anywhere otherwise. I realise this is not a particularly American POV though, you'd rather let the problems spread and then complain about them ruining the neighborhood you've just invested in kek. Perhaps it's easy for me to feel this way because I'm totally priced out of the housing market.
>>26028992>durr just move to Bumhole, Nowhere and become a dirt farmer
>>26024636thats racis.
>>26029199I want to help people who are down on their luck. Middle class folks who had a rough go of things, who worked hard and found it wasn't enough. Public housing actively hurts them in favor of degenerate drug addicts who don't work or budget.
>landlords take out investment>crying to anyone and everyone when their investment doesnt pan out>meanwhile no one has sympathy from them because they are disgusting subhuman cockroaches
>>26025200>/biz/ rentoid who foams at the mouth at simply the mention of the word "landlord" turns out to be a passionate hater of trumpcolor me surprised.
>>26028492>What kind of projection is thatWell based off your numerous replies it comes off that you are a retard who is bitter. I was trying to be helpful. Saving that much is smart. It’s almost like you are spending less and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
>>26026353They're LARPing poors. Like most magacucks. They just pretend to be haves. most likely they're mom n pop speculators.It's funny, you can always see the larpers away
>>26029525Caveat emptor...Though if anyone has to foot the bill it should be big banks. They owe the public after 2008. Hope it doesn't come to that though because I also have a position in big banks.
>>26025863>having to evict non-payers isn't anything new and landlords are prepared to take that lossAre you sure about that? It feels like there's a new breed of small landlords who are over leveraged and can't take a single loss.
>>26029142>paying a landlord for feeding your sheep on "his" land has been invented because not everyone wants to be an independent farmer and use the commons You little conniving fucking landlord nigger, I absolutely abhor your little shifty lies, your constant backpeddling, your hypocrisy, your degenerate attitude towarda everything that does not directly and singularly benefit you. People like you deserve to be lynched unironically.
>>26024478My tenants are paying on time and there hasn't been an issue since Covid started.Don't rent to people who can't at least afford 1k. That's the trick.
>>26029565>being disconent with the status quo and hating dishonest bullshit arguments and hypocrisy is now retardedOkay
>>26026097Not really. You can use soup kitchens if you're hungry and penniless. You can use shelters/halfway houses etc. if you're unhoused and penniless. Both are essential needs.
>>26029722Lmao. The boomers had the easiest lives in human history. By far. That's never going to happen again. Either get rich within the next two decades or you and your spawn will be renting for the next 300 years. Up to you. Cheap houses that spoiled the boomers are an abberation that is never coming back.
>>26027068Costs money to move
>>26024643I am getting no rent and I'm being expected to keep utilities on because if I don't then I am committing a crime per the lease agreement. How lame.
>>26030008It’s called a contract. You signed it.
>>26029878Do you think I give a single shit?! I just hate people who so blatantly lie or worse, are actually so stupid to believe their own lies. Everyone on this planet would like and prefer to have a house, over being a renter, misrepresenting our society as being "more free" that way is a fucking joke. People can not own because they are part of the 90% of mankind that has to slave away in silence and obedience so that boomers and others, that are more intelligent but just as narcisstic and psychopathic can profit off of their constant suffering. I can not stand these constant lies and self delusions.
>>26029771>dishonest bullshit arguments>Renters should pay rent and the government must not intervene if they can’t. Well good luck.
>>26029142>Renting as a concept was created precisely because not everyone wants to own a house.Horseshit. Started because landlords wanted to leech, and because corporations in the early industrial revolution wanted their wageslaves to double down on the slave
>>26030112Lmao if you say so. I can't imagine wanting to rent, but I also can't imagine being poor and stupid. Maybe it's a thing
>>26025215>30k shacks at bestThis. The only "mom and pop" rental friend i know is basically a slum lord whining about his ugly squalor shacks breaking down.
>>26030461this. People who had inherited wealth realized they could use it to bully people into being wealthy forever and not have to develop talents or skills. Instead of having a fair society, they could make passive income. Now this has become such a SIMPLE principle, anyone can retain wealth.Rich people hate this. I can't wait til we kill every last rich person who lives off passive income -- tear their fucking heads off, murder their wives and enslave their fucking children...in minecraft, of course. : ) :)
>>26025748>Feel free to buy your own place if you don't want to rentExcept you cant because banks sell housing as investments to the Chinese. There isnt anywhere else to go in this economy.
>>26030630Lmao. How about you live off of passive income instead of impotently seething online?
>>26030008i have a great idea landie: it's called get a job. oh, and maybe don't buy the new iphone every year :^)
>>26030630based. I hate rich people even more since I started investing. You literally have a government that bails you out, you have pretty much risk free gains if you have any sort of brain and you can essentially live off of other's work forever if you inherit a rather small sum (like 500k and invest in in a 10% pa. thing) Hell even 5 percent would cut it if you can downscale.
>>26030630How can anyone see how hard landlord chads make chapo trannies seethe, and say they provide nothing for society?
>Live somewhere else if your job in the city you live in doesn’t pay enough to live that areaI’m curious about this. Those jobs exist - supermarkets, cafes, service stations, retail, etc etc. where are the workers for those jobs supposed to live in an relatively expensive city or area?Can we just shut down all those low paying jobs in high priced cities so you won’t be able to go to the supermarket, Walmart, or have any retail shops etc?
>>26031052I don't even know what Chapo is. I want you to literally die...in minecraft. I want you to suffocate and suffer. VERY PAINFULLY, in minecraft. I want to tear every last fingernail off and relish in your pain as blood oozes out your fucking fingers and you cry out tremendously in the first pain you ever felt in your sheltered faggot fucking life. In minecraft, of course.
>>26024602>commies LARPing as mustache twirling landlords K.
I hate landlordsAnd I hate boomers
>>26024602thats pretty stupid. at least explain why so i dont think youre stupid for no reason
>>26031190lol guarantee you're listening to them right now. rent's due on the first, wagie.
>>26031030Ever since I started making big bucks on this Covid bull run I've paradoxically become more sympathetic to both socialist and liberal free market capitalist viewpoints. But I don't even vote unless a friend nags me to, so idgaf as long as line go up.
>>26024636They use a beard with good history and and scam you
>>26031421our democracy is fucked and cucked either way. Even if you voted lefties they would just turn into the "new normal" and nothing would change. Politicians are grifters, capitalists are their masters and people are their slaves. I unironically just long for societal collapse at this point, at the very least, living would involve some fucking stakes again, not just slow death over literal decades of wage poverty.Seeing capitalism for what it truly is, makes you hate it.
>>26031666>just long for societal collapse at this point, at the very least, living would involve some fucking stakes again, not just slow death over literal decades of wage poverty.Checked Satan. And Accelerationism is gaining popularity again.
>>26031666My response to seeing that capitalism is a crooked game and that voting is one of the least consequential forms of individual action is to just focus on my own professional and financial success. If you can't beat 'em...
>>26024602I don't get it. how does this benefit anyone. just takes more of your time and money
>>26025973based
>>26031229>tfw NJfagBros, it hurts so much.
>>26025421What are you sowingThe landlord is the one maintaining the property
>>26026716getting murdered for your property is a natural risk
>>26028270America isn't a country, it's a free trade zone with a common language.
>>26034077Checked. And i feel your pain bro. There are quite a few of us on 4chan. Periodically a general on /pol/ about how to save the state. I think there is no hope with philly, dc and nyc all right there. We are doomed to be their dumping grounds.
>>26034345I don't think the kind of person who whines about rent is prepared to use force to assert their will on the universe
>>26035636I want to leave, but all my friends and family are here.
>>26035718Literally the exact same reason im not leaving. Family is all there, both living and buried.