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Maybe if Spainish people worked they could afford to pay rent.

>>25920326
I may or may not be eligible for Spanish citizenship in the future (commie ancestors who fought in Spanish Civil War). Is it worth it for a burger ti move there?

>>25920383
Imagine working in 2021 when governments around the world are printing gibs for anyone that can qualify, not only that but wearing the cuck muzzle for 8+ hours per day.

>>25920326
>Fill vacant rental units with tenants or we will take over your properties.
After hearing this I would sell everything, pack my shit and leave the country. Commies in power is the terminal stage of political cancer.

>>25920453
If you wanna live in a country that's being flooded by Mexicans as we speak, you could also just stay in America

>>25920616
yeah well you don't own any spanish properties, faggot

>>25920326
honestly, any landlord sitting on empty apartments any longer period of time is retarded and loosing money

Not surprised. Spain is a first class corrupted shithole that still believe they are a first world country kek

>>25920383
american detected

>>25920326
it's been years they do this

>>25920616

This really is the typical point where meme-tier "socialism" actually starts turning into real bona fide socialism. At this point the government has jumped the shark and is now actively managing, planning, directing the economy.

>>25920326
Any Spaniard care to comment on one of the most inflexible housing markets in the world?

>>25920326
> stealing white people stuff to give it to muslim invaders

BASED COMMUNISTS. MURDER ALL WHITE PEOPLE

>>25920841
Its north europeans who are parroting this, and southerns actually work longer hours.

I've been thinking of buying a place to stay in Spain sometime in order to live there during winters.
I really hate the cold, and Spain seems like the right place to be during winters.
The other alternatives are Brazil, Italy and Vietnam.
I just need some place that ain't cold during winters, yet also not a total shithole.
So mostly countries close to the equator.
Not interested in Florida or anywhere in the US, ever.
Anyone know of any better alternatives?

Like clockwork, when landlords are mentioned, biz turns into Reddit.

>>25920807
>the state exercising power in any way means it is corrupt. durrrrrrr

>>25921033
>ain't cold during winters, yet also not a total shithole
There is a correlation between those, though.

>>25921033
Turkey and Romania ain't too bad

>>25921033
Portugal?

>>25920973
Their productivity is shit and unemployment high.

>>25921033
>yet also not a total shithole
Depending on how low your standards go, the right Greek island might be nice

>>25921063
1) It is not their fucking business to give economical advice to landlords.
2) If they care about poor citizens they can buy this property or build new one and then they can do whatever they want with it.

>>25921106
P OMEGALUL RTUGAL

>>25921063
Nice response retard. Your country is a joke.
>Inb4 m-muh conquistadors!!

>>25921099
Turkey is a pajeet shithole, quite literally.
Already been there, never want to go back.

Romania isn't a shithole and also not cold during winter?

>>25921106
Are you sure it ain't cold there during winters?

>>25921155
I've been to Crete once during a summer, absolutely loved it there, very hot and beautiful, but also felt like paradise.
Not sure about actually living there during winter though.

Can't wait for all the subhuman white trash that comes to Magaluf gets their properties seized.

>>25920841
How the fuck would an American know of the working habits of Southern European countries?

>>25920494
>tfw 7 fig crypto portfolio.
>tfw still get government gibs.
Thanks wagies.

>>25920865
It sucks.

Good, dumbass english tourists have been plaguing Barcelona for years now.

>>25920865
there's not much to say. Housing is terribly overvalued in big cities, sales (real estate) are in a total meltdown yet rent prices are still sky high, even if they have gone down a bit from ATH.
Buying is a bit cheaper thanks to the scamdemic's effect, no one's buying so the people that want to sell are being forced to drop down the prices a bit. nothing too dramatic still, but I've seen at least a 10-15% drop from a year ago.

it's really funny seeing the ads for sale and rent that are obviously from airbnb apartments that cannot be rented out due to obvious reasons (lockdowns, no more tourists). Jews being jewed.

>>25920326
Would the city co sign the lease and share in the risk? It’s better to have an empty apartment then a dead beat nog/spic living there for free and trashing the place.

>>25920771
Wrong fagot. Go be a nigger somewhere else

When Vox seizes power we are going to not only kick all MENAs but line up all the british subhuman tourists against the wall and put good ol cetmes back to work.

>>25921435
Landlords are paid for carrying the risk. Didn't they price in the possibility of changing laws?

>muh nigs and spics
You guys do realize that the locals have been priced out out of their town because a bunch ugly brits "invest" in a vaction home that they never use.
Longterm this kills the city

>>25920453
> Spain is unironically one of the best countries in the world to live if you got money
> decent weather
> hot girls
> cheap

unfortunately its a commie shithole, would not recommend if poor

>>25921576
If you were brit, you too would buy a flat in a nice climate city with underpriced low property values and reasonably white population

>>25921576
You do realize that there are people skilled in building new apartments and houses. Maybe not in commie Spain but they do exist.

>>25921572
Your not paid for an empty apartment but there is less maintenance required. A deadbeat tenant adds more work no no extra money. Best to leave it empty and wait.

>>25920453
My american friend has an awesome rural life there. He started organizing running events and he is doing great. First american I ever befriended, very kind and social person.

>>25921783
It depends fren. Due to geographical conditions, you can't really build that much new housing in barcelona. You have the sea on one side and mountains on another. Add the fact that there are laws limiting on the height of new buildings and you there is literally nowhere to go.

If you have a low-median income, living in your own flat in barcelona is pretty rare.

>>25920326
this, but unironically

>>25921866
>Best to leave it empty and wait.
You can't do that if it is against the law

>>25921663
Isnt Malaga full of nice villas for the rich? Good place to move when cryptos moon.

>>25921270
>Are you sure it ain't cold there during winters?
it's literally next Spain you nigger, did you see the map?

>>25921663
half the country's not even white, might as well tell op to stay in america

>>25922081
this lol

personally I have my fingers on Costa Rica, Philippines, and possibly Brazil. would love others thoughts on this. for living 3-4 months a year

>>25921783
>muh commies
Places like Barcelona should be preserved, not turned into a souless, overbuilt shithole.
Protecting the locals that cant compete with rich foreigners is essential

>>25921170
Based

>>25922476
the problem with buying property in a shithole is that the gov can steal it anytime it wants. instead of buying you spend the next winters renting in all those different places and if really there is a place that stands out, you can think of buying. better live in a place a few months before making a decision

>>25920891
can't wait to fucking die

>>25921033
Spaniards generally hate Americans

Thats it, going to spain next winter. This shit is aids.

>>25920326
Seems reasonable. Get rid of the airbnb scum buying all the cheap housing and filling it 3 months out of 12 with tourists.

>>25920453
Don't think of it as Spanish citizenship, rather EU citizenship. You get a Spanish passport and you can go live in any one of 29 EU countries with no hassle or trouble.

BASED
LANDKIKES ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>25921033
okinawa on a standard 3 month tourist visa? or another one of the smaller japanese islands. or taiwan.

>>25920326
Fucking commies

>>25920326
>WOWEEE YEAH FUCK LANDLORDS STEAL ALL THEIR PROPERTY BASED!!!!
>*a few years later*
>"So you see Mr. Anon we need you to sign away ownership of your home to the Communist Party. It will be better for everyone this way."
Literally what happened with Maoist land reform. Poor farmers got housing after killing their landlords only for the CCP to strongarm them into giving away the deeds shortly afterwards.

>>25924192
Okinawa is pretty cool, but it's not really Tokyo if you know what I mean. It's its own thing.

Guam is another option if you want to go really cheap, but it's a run down shithole. About the same proportion of military bases on the island though. Both can be good if you like outdoorsy stuff and diving.

Singapore is awesome, I really liked Singapore. Clean, safe, MRT will take you from the high class tourist areas to the slummy areas and back, lots of cool stuff to do. I wish I could get a job in Singapore.

If you want a real first world nation though, can't beat Australia.

>>25920326
the government should learn about landvaluetaxes.

>>25924149
> t. modern day serf

>>25920326
>commies
>based
suck my cock faggot

>>25920616
>NOOOOOOO DONT MAKE IT SO FAGGOT KIKES CANT JUST BUY SHIT AND SUCK THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE NATION OUT NOOOOO

Laws like this fuck off Chinese, Russians, Americans, etc that buy up everything too retard

>>25920383
I probably work far more and harder than you you lazy piece of shit on average spaniards work far more than other europeans we are just piss poor and get paid pure shit because of socialed shit.

>>25921663
>hot weather
>hot girls

>>25925088
weather heavily depends on the area, north is comfy

>>25923810
>Spaniards generally hate Americans
At this point nobody doesn't hate Americans.
We were hated enough as it was during the George W. Bush Administration but really kicked into high gear with the clown shit of these past 4 years.

>>25920771
Its not for renting out retard, its an assent. They dont give a shit if they rent or not.

>>25920326
The USA kike govt would never do this to the kike landlords

>>25925389
If it's not for renting then it's not a rental property so it wouldn't be seized, learn to read you dumb fuck

>>25924781
>THE CHINESE ARE BUYING ALL OF OUR REAL ESTATE
>SO LETS GIVE IT TO THE NIGGERS

Or we could just stop letting foreign entities by American land.

>>25921669
How can any brit see this this pic and not realise their own government has been hijacked and has declared war against its own people and why every compromised pedo politician needs public execution.

>>25920326
why do I feel the next step will be seizing but if you have more rooms than people.
Next step is you can't have more than 1 car per person
Next step is you can't have more than some number of sqft per person
>inb4 slippery slope
you already aren't allowed to have more than 1 house because it will be seized.
there's no counter-argument for the other steps, because they have the same goal and excuse: lower the price of property.

>buy rentals on leverage during housing crisis
>hold units empty since it's theoretically cheaper to maintain and has less risk than allowing a tenant to rent it, thanks to artificially low interest rates
Honestly, no one is at fault here. They're playing the best they can in a rigged game and taking direct blame for central bank horseshittery

>>25925068
I have never seen in my life so many people that take on months-long paid leave due to "illness" than in this country. Being on welfare is a national sport in spain. On the other hand, they get paid as much as minimum wage, so why bother working?
The productivity you might be mention is doled out on the back of very few people to maintain a bloated welfare socialist state.

>>25925893
>because they have the same goal and excuse: lower the price of property.

not really. they just want you to not be able to own anything so they can rent it out... to you and everyone else.

>>25921570
damn that's magaluf right? i genuinely started to hate anglos when i went there. low class subhuman chavs

Friendly reminder that Spain is going to be hit the hardest by the recession. Because, while the entire world was preparing for a big recession, Spain spent the last 3 years without making any coherent fiscal decisions since there was no government.

There was no government because the communist party was blocking the presidential election since they wanted to take over the government.

And they did.

>>25927302
the wheel of fortune always spins. remember when spain/portugal/italy were empires? they are now beggars kek

>>25927302
But they voted the racists Vox into office

>>25920326
It's about fucking time, in Germany 50% of the population lives on rent.
My generation is being priced out even in small towns now, it's fucking crazy
It's time for housing to be affordable and a right

>>25922024
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/9604479/cristiano-ronaldo-amazing-marbella-villa/
Yes

>>25927413
no, they didn't. Not that it would have made a difference, mind you.

>>25927446
I understand your rage, but the real culprits are not people buying up properties and rising housing prices (except when they're central bank-backed banks, they should burn in hell), it's the state drowning people in taxes so you make next to nothing and are forced to rent while they give away gibs to "the new germans".

>>25927627
Spanish taxes are extremely low

>>25921106
This, there's also no tax on cryptocurrencies in Portugal, too.

I actually was talking about german taxes.
Taxes in spain are high when you take into account the median income. Also, when you get a raise from your employer, your employer has to pay an exponential amount of extra cash to raise your salary. You can have many minimum wage slaves for cheap instead a small group of well paid individuals.

>>25921663
Was once in barcelona. Felt like at least 30% of the people there were pickpockets or dope dealers from some east European shitholes or mudslim countries.

Would not go there again even if it’s a beautiful city and spanish people were cool af.

>>25927884
just read about germany. If I hold for 1 year no tax. If I sell now and instantly buy again, would it reset the timer?

>>25927627
I don't fucking care, it's a problem as it is
All I'm saying is that the government needs to intervene, clearly the free market has failed
We need public housing policies or some shit asap here
I live in a neighborhood outside Wiesbaden in Germany, I pay 850€/month for a 42m^2 shitbox
You are not getting a decent house here for less than 500k if you don't want to live in the middle of the forest like an outcast
I'm 26 now and I'm starting to think I will never be able to own a house
And no, I'm not going to live all my 20s with my parents just to save for a downpayment

>>25925068
>probably worked far more and harder
isn’t siesta from like 12am to 17pm? when exactly do you even work at all in this country?

>>25921106
Fuck off we're full.
More seriously, we have 3 months of winter and sit indoors in damp coats because insulation and central heating are Teutonic space magic.

>>25920326
That's great. morally, using a home as an investment for someone else to pay off your mortgage for you doesn't sit well with me. Wish more laws would protect a way of life rather than greed

>>25920891
Based commie posting. Remember, overpopulation bad and increasing need to consoom bad; but not constantly growing a population via immigration for all eternity also bad, because economy. Having gun bad, policeman bad, but policeman only having gun good. Government bad, but sedition also bad. Rioting and burning down things good, unless news say it bad.

>>25928019
>Felt like at least 30% of the people there were pickpockets or dope dealers from some east European shitholes or mudslim countries.
>felt

Barcelona has been europe's cheap theme park for the last decade. Now it's ground zero, a zombie city, devoid of tourism, it's definitely an empty shell. Lots of people are out of work but hey, the important thing is to wear a mask and keep on shilling catalonian independence.

anyway, it's an ok city but you have to live on the upper part of town, where the tourists don't go. The city centre was and is a shithole with nice modernist buildings, but still a shithole.

>>25928110
such is the hand we've been dealt. If you expect your government to fix this, you're in for a surprise. The next step is living in a cool podshare :)

>>25921341
Americans are ignorant of other cultures, am I right

>>2592858

Fuck this gay country and fuck whoever speculates on housing
More than half of my take home pay goes to some boomer landlord that spends it on eastern European prostitutes
We are cucked beyond belief

>>25921368
Airbnb should be mostly goys except the top renters with many units. Elites have other sources of income and can take this economic hit, the bottom however..

>>25927413
No, they didn't.

Weirdly enough the communist party kept triggering new elections because they thought it would gain them more votes. In every election Vox gained more and more votes. By the third one they almost won over the communist party.

But no, Vox is still a minority.

>>25928137
Spaniards have the most asinine work shifts in the world.

People enter at 9:00 and by 11:00 they take a 30 minute break to eat.

By 14:00 they go home to eat and sleep.

By 17:00 they go back to work and finish at 21:00. They eat dinner at 23:00 and go to sleep after midnight. If by chance they smoke, they take smoke breaks every hour.

It's asinine. Their entire day is consumed by their work schedule and yet they manage to work less hours and be less productive, despite having a lot of breaks.

A side effect is that children, the poor bastards, stay in school from 9:00 to 17:00. And a lot of times they're left in "extracurricular activities" up until 21:00.

>>25930085
is this real, that sounds like 4chan if it had a job

>>25925872
>its ok to get raped if theyre white

>>25920383
Got 'em

>>25930085
I've worked in germany and honestly its the same just with more coffeebreaks and browsing the net

>>25930085
>>25931035

Most of the job postings I've seen have working hours of 8/9 to 17/18 Monday to Thursday
and 8 t0 17 on Fridays.

>>25928105
You're so dumb, it's a miracle that you haven't lost your private keys, yet.

Unironically there should be laws for residential areas that homes cannot be owned by non occupants.