/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>25741244
shit coin shit maths
buy nano

here is a simulation, where we assume links marketcap will do a x2, and i reduced the network growth by 2.

>$32.25 after 4 years
Why do I hate myself enough to hold such a garbage investment for a big chunk of my life...

>>25741312
I just need to know when its going to hit like 200$

>>25741244
Post your stack

aw man even with these calculations my 10k stack is not enough I bought 10k thinking it would be enough maybe 100k was the real make it stack after all aoooooeee

>>25741244
>he didn't price in the derivatives

>>25741374
link could potentially reach a marketcap of 38Billion $ with 20 times more usage than now, it would look like this

>>25741464
exactly, that's the whole point this is a very pessimistic simulation...
and it's already bullish as hell

>>25741336
Hey retarded faggot, OP was just comparing it to current market cap to show how no matter what staking will drive the price upwards. That market cap is still subject to change (and given the price action in the last few months, that change is practically guaranteed to be upwards)

>>25741244
smart anon. number go up, think BTC incentive effect (miners have to pay to mine btc so what they get out needs to be more than what they put in, creating an infinite number go up due to halving). same thing will happen with LINK, creating infinite appreciation. once the networks fully online there will be no stopping it.

>>25741481
oh yes thats more like it

>>25741244
and that entire calculation is just with nothing but the network in mind, not even counting speculation

>>25741244
How do you know staking is coming?

>>25741662
my hole village says so dear

The absolute state. You jokers are day dreaming about bags of money when down here back in reality, link is struggling to stay above $16. That's sixteen dollars guys. GET REAL

So what kind of a return per year staking 25k Link?

>>25741797
dude thats my make it stack

>>25741481
>could potentially reach a marketcap of $38 Billion
Kill yourself retard. Honestly.
I was promised $1000 EOY and not this shit

>>25741770
what part of nolinkers stay out you didn't understand faggot?

what you just wrote is what people been telling us for the past 3 years, here is a very know cuck post for example.

>>25741808
i'm being pessimistic retard, i could input 100 billion $ wich is a possibility also, but what's the point, my point is, that no matter what, this is a minimum

>>25741244
checked and nice thread for once
good job OP
also OP is very based
>>25741813

> now let's assume that 50% of the whole chainlink circulating tokens gets staked
> now let's assume that 50% of the whole chainlink circulating tokens gets staked
> now let's assume that 50% of the whole chainlink circulating tokens gets staked
> now let's assume that 50% of the whole chainlink circulating tokens gets staked
> now let's assume that 50% of the whole chainlink circulating tokens gets staked

>>25741881
i did multiple simutions in pic relateds, and if less links are staked, it means higher APY, look at what APy would be at 10% faggot

>>25741813
Why won’t you post your stack?

>>25741244
Thanks, OP. The staking/interest side is the most exciting part of this project imo.
Good times for everyone!

>>25741923
you have a very foul mouth for such a little lady.

I see a 60 billon market Imo if do nothing dogshit like XRP reached 100 billon MC last run why cant Link reach 60 billon?

>>25741481
this is fud

>>25741941
i said im an OG, so i probably have more than you, the difference is that i never sold 1 link for the past 3 years

>>25741923
>network value will grow by a factor of 10 in 2021
>network value will grow by a factor of 10 in 2021
>network value will grow by a factor of 10 in 2021
>network value will grow by a factor of 10 in 2021
>network value will grow by a factor of 10 in 2021
>network value will grow by a factor of 10 in 2021

>>25741998
Yet you won’t post your stack? Why should anyone take any advice you give when you can’t do this simple thing?

staking always causes dumps, that has happened for literally every single coin so far.

people will just dump the free coins, they don't care about muh apy, muh nodes etc. free tokens are free tokens, it will increase the supply and dump the price

simple math.

I'm a linker but I've never been convinced by the "staking will take us to $1000" argument, it's retarded.

let's say you are a whale that has 100k LINK staked and BTC dumps the whole market. Why would you keep staking your tokens when the value of the tokens melt away?

you'd just take the punishment fee or whatever and dump your stack, it's retarded

>>25741850
Hm alright. I am only a 5k LINKlet, even though I am here since end of 2017.
I need a big number.
> now let's assume that 50% of the whole chainlink circulating tokens gets staked
What does that even mean? Like how important is that?
Shouldn't the question be, how many LINK are left on the free market?
Because I am sure there will be many people just holding on to their LINK without staking it.

Also news drop on 2/16
>>25706997
>>25708908

>>25742000
i did a simulation with only a factor of 5 dumb fuck

See, it’s analysis like this I can get behind. All this retarded “sell pressure go up! Red line! Green line! TA!!” is just shamans looking at bones and stars trying to predict the future. Hard math projecting real-world situations is why I’m all-in LINK

>>25741813
I've almost certainly got more link & LP than you anon, come back when link is above 70

will any rando be able to stake their stack? will you need to be a part of a staking service like linkpool, or will you be able to sign up with any old node and stake. also, what if a bad actor were to collude with a smart contract holder to fuck you out of your staked collateral?

>>25742064
what you don't seem to understand dumb fuck, is that schainlink staking is different than regular staking. it's the only staking with real incentive, and a real economy behind it, it's not speculation based.

also those APYs are calculated in % of LINk, not in $

>>25741244
staking = dumping

>>25742077
how many links are left opn the market are
100% - staked links

>>25742064
because every staking we had for now is literally validating empty blocks for consensus
link staking is for data quality and security, thats why its so long to come out, you need decent network size before releasing it or you'll be doing just what every other staking blockchain project does
This is what you newfags don't get, link staking has nothing to do with eth's, tezo's, fantom's or any other shitcoin you'll name

>>25742090
there are two types of stakings, implicit and explicit.

implicit staking will be available for all

>>25742116
>chainlink staking is different than regular staking

it literally isn't.

first of all we don't know how they'll implement the staking, we don't know what the apy will be. you are pulling numbers off your ass

secondly like I said, there's no reason for a whale to stake 100k when he could just dump all of it and get millions of dollars instantly

so many assumptions, pretty sure we won't see more than 20% staked for a while. so 20 dollar link with a pathetic 15% APY for holding this for 3 years? That sounds meh, our only real chance to make serious gains is speculation, nothing else. chainlink won't do what you faggots are dreaming of in the next months, It will take years. the price however could rally before that with the bull run. deluded stinky

and let's not get started on the fact that Sergey keeps selling millions a month and supply increases at lightning speed while whales are willing to sell hundreds of thousands of link as we speak

>>25742119
>>25742116
>>25742185
see posts related retard

>>25741650
Speculation can also work in the opposite direction too dawg

>>25742191
i'm not pulling numbers out of my ass, we know linkpool distributes 75% of the rewards to stakers, and that in 2020 1M links were paid to node operators.

check link
https://news.reputation.link/article/2020-review

>>25742190
Implicit staking is simply the fact that a holder will do actions that benefit the token he holds, it's not a "feature" chainlink has
It's when you hold a coin (stake) only because you believe in the project, participate in it's community, run a node etc.

>>25741481
That’s more like it

>>25741813
I did however find this - linkpools revenue per day

>>25742191
>secondly like I said, there's no reason for a whale to stake 100k when he could just dump all of it and get millions of dollars instantly

Why would a millionaire buy and hold dividend stocks?

Why wouldn’t the king just cut the goose open and get all the golden eggs at once?

I have 45k link how can I stake when it’s ready. Do I really need to buy fucking linkpool?

>>25742272
yeah because that's all linkpool does, they have to lure retards in to buy their overpriced staking access voucher token lmao. linkpool is garbage, just like your simulation. pointless numbers-crunching with 80% of factors pulled out of your fat ass. you can't do any calculations assuming this much about how it works, you will be off so far I'm gonna screencap this shit just to repost when the numbers are out.

>>25742346
We can assume you'll be able to stake in different forms, from anon neet staking pools to coinbase

>>25742316
How much are people making right now staking on linkpool?

>dopamine running low
>curtains closed
>vitamin d depleted
>feeling the depression coming on
>"w-we're going to be rich a-arent we??"
>breathe a sigh of relief
>other anons are reassuring you you're going to make it
>ten minutes pass
>the feeling has worn off
>time to make another thread
>"link price prediction thread"
>yeah that's nice... look at all those numbers
>put all the posted numbers and multiply them with your stack
>haha wow, thats a lot of money
>imagine what all you could do with that money
>maybe i'll finally have sex...
>sun peeks through the curtains
>you hear your parents waking up
>hehe, fucking wagies
>the depression comes back
>the dopamine rushes dont last as long as they used to
>time to make another thread
>"is 300 link enough to make it?"

>>25742191
>no reason for people to want steady cashflow instead of selling all their money-making assets
Please leave

>>25741481
Thanks for the hopium, but this is a very conservative estimate.
The market cap will be much higher than 38b this year.

So you are just gonna ignore me asking you to post your link stack? Fraud
Find the card Find the card everyone can be a winner

just saying you can be an OG and still be a retard. you were earlier, not smarter. keep your 8th grade excel astrology out of this board

>>25742376
You should be able to get a good APY just sitting in a lending market like Aave, in which case you have the benefit of collateral locked up to leverage. Dedicated staking pools are a meme

>>25742423
I’m og Presale and I will say this is true but I appreciate op anons attempt. All you hear right now here is a bunch of otherwise BS. The coin needs to be shipped to the masses to get some real speculative appreciation

>>25742025
why do you want to stack dox him so badly

>>25742077
>Also news drop on 2/16

June 21st was nearly the start of the previous run for LINK as well in the summer which can be written as 21/6

>>25742423
water is wet, the sky is blue, so apart from joining my swamp and acting all smug with half truths flailed to our faces, what else you got faggot?

if you're not happy you can always...fuck off

>>25742423
also just to add; what do you think arbitrum meant by this

https://twitter.com/OffchainLabs/status/1345073770994819072

>>25742388
0

>>25742319
>Why would a millionaire buy and hold dividend stocks?

Because stocks can't dump 45% in a single day. it's risky to hold that much money in something so volatile.

>>25742568
>volatile
that's what boomers say to cope

Time to buy some more, thanks anon

What you don't count in OP is that nodes will not take any extra LINK in unless that LINK will generate more LINK, because if that extra LINK doesn't generate more LINK, then it just dilutes the rewards and why would a node owner/operator want that? That's why buying a share of Linkpool is a good move since now YOU will be a part owner of the node(and even more since Linkpool is more than just a node). Every share has capped LINK cappacity at 10k LINKs max meaning that the rewards can't be infinitely diluted. Also what this means is if the APY is lucrative, then people will want to buy LP and LINK, which will increase the price of them both. I predict that there will be other nodes who will sell shares or have some sort of requirement to stake.

>>25742064
>he thinks chainstink is compareable to his fartpajeetocoin staking
AHAAAAAAHSHAHAAAAAA

>>25742556
16(0).75

>>25742594
>people would rather stake their tokens instead of dumping them in a market wide collapse

copium

>>25742639
>he thinks it isn't

>>25741481
Could you theoretically also simulstr my dick?

>>25742388
Staking isn't realised yet, that's revenue from their chsinlink node

>>25742692
>selling low
ngmi newfaggot

>>25742692
I can probably count on 2 hands the times my link stack has lost >50% of its value. You think I’m going to miss out on staking and take a massive taxable event hit? Fuckin zoomer, stop being poor

>>25742725
no but, i could stimulate your dick with bullish thoughts though

>>25742680
What does this mean adding the 0?

The problem is normies can’t understand this shit at all. Somehow they need to think it’s the next bitcoin. They’ll never truly understand what the fuck link does or means

>>25742639
this, all the link fudders are retarded

>>25742759
>>25742846
your stack is worth 6 figures at best, I was talking about people with above 100k link.

my original point was there's no reason to not dump your whole stack instead of staking it and it still stands.

>>25741481
That's more like it baby

>>25742884
biz in 2021... jesus fking christ

>>25742958
When I went from 950k usd to 400usd that was pretty shitty. And desu I’d be sitting on 3M in btc. Why hold link long term doesn’t make sense if it acts like this and they move so slow

>>25742556
That’s some cryptic shit

>>25742958
>my original point was there's no reason to not dump your whole stack instead of staking it and it still stands.
but that's retarded

>>25743114
your rewards will be tied to BTC movement whether you like it or not. I honestly don't see a scenario where it's more profitable to stake your link than to dump it.

>>25742924
You don't even know how magnets work though.

>>25743209
the apy is in % and in LINK

>>25743209
you get rewarded in link retard

>>25742924
bitcoin straight did 300% in 2 weeks. rising from 13k to 37k. eth made it all the way to 1200 from 500.link... LINK DID A FUCKING 2 DOLLAR INCREASE. TWO. TWO FUCKING DOLLARS FROM 13 to 15 in this bullrun.
aboslutely atrocious shitcoin here.

yeah im a bit grumpy. who the fuck wouldn't be? LMAO bitcoin goes to 40k, then drops down 1.5k and is going back up again... link? surpressed to shit at 17, then when it barely is able to stay afloat above that, dumps a dollar (33% gain loss)
how the fuck is this good in any way, shape, or form??

doesn't even matter if you fud or shill this shitcoin. it doesn't move. it never ever does. it pumps randomley from sergay seling insider information and when it ever gets developped in 2025 we dont even know if something better will come with devs that dont dump 1m on binance a week

yeah. link may do a 10x in 5 years when staking is finally developed. there is absolutely no reason to encourage anyone from buying this at the moment. completely garbage gains and you're absolutely right kek if bitcoin so much as sneezes link will get pneumonia. shitcoin goes to 10$ after bitcoin sneezes indicates that it is SHIT and can't even hold its own market value. i seriously feel so fucking bad for these link pumpers at the moment can't even break 16 now

bitcoin can pull steller 150% a week yet THIS FUCKING DOGSHIT TRASH had to fight tooth and nail just to appreciate TWO DOLLARS. AND WHEN IT GOES DOWN FUCKING 3%, CHAINLINK GOES DOWN 1$ because no one can sustain this pump after everyone dumps at every dollar milestone.

NO OTHER COIN DOES THIS. NO OTHER COIN SYSTEMATICALLY HAS A GROUP OF WHALES DUMPING AT EVERY DOLLAR THIS HARD. IT DOESNT OCCUR.

>>25742556
Ed Felten, during SmartCon, did a small joke "so let's add another zero to the potential performance of scalability solutions with Arbitrum", it then became a meme. I wouldn't look much into that tweet beyond "Arbitrum is coming"

Good thread op. I think there are some variables that we are not taking into account. Either way let’s see what happens. This is the anon who started the paxos link github thread last night.

>>25741244
Checked, Anon.

We are not just going to be rich. But really fucking rich. Good god.

>>25743340
>NO OTHER COIN DOES THIS. NO OTHER COIN SYSTEMATICALLY HAS A GROUP OF WHALES DUMPING AT EVERY DOLLAR THIS HARD. IT DOESNT OCCUR.
Actually lots of alts took a dump. Look at EOS. Look at XRP. Look at Monero. Bitcoin is king. Your alts are a meme.

>>25743306
>>25743324
and link's price is tied to BTC whether you like it or not.

It was not at the past but it's gotten too big now and bots control most of the tokens unlike before

>>25743399
Do you remember when btc would dump every time link was starting a huge run. Link whales are btc whales. If you know you know.

>>25741244
So glad I bought 5k link yesterday

>>25743372
And so slowly we will see more crumbs for the companies in pic related come into existence, right?

>>25742064
You don't get it though. Staking for LINK is much different. Its value is the collateral for the network. As network usage increases so will the value the token. More staking allows network to grow, which affects the price, which allows 1 token to collateralize higher value contracts, which will promote more staking. Its likely many will compound a large portion of their earnings from staking since it directly increases the value of the token. Its quite the positive feed back loop and there isn't a single staking mechanism that functions the same live today.

>>25741244
Great thread OP.
Never selling, can't wait to get my passive income from my linkies!

>>25743715
This is the best tldr for this thread

>>25741244
Obvious astroturf. LINK is an unregistered security shitcoin token. Only 1 coin can scale, has utility, and the patents. Only 1 coin abides by the law. The rest will have the same fate as XRP. I tried warning you, but you fools don't listen.

>>25743995

>(nolinkers stay out plz)

>>25743715
Based

>>25743715
what i tried to show i nthis thread is that it's even more effective, because if APY of staking is LOW, links price compensate by being high and vis versa

>>25741481
Anon , at that % at some point the supply will be drained....no?...then what?

I simply don't understand all this shit and I don't know if it's going to bust .. but I bought 3k Link for a $1.25 so I'm just gonna wait things out..

>>25744323
I agree with your analysis. The idea of staking APR being high initially to incentivize and bootstrap staking early on makes sense. Then as you lay out, APR will decrease as more participants enter into staking but as a result token value will increase due to the network effect. High APR (more staking rewards to go around per staker) pulls people in at the start and then increasing token value keeps them committed to staking in the network as APR falls.

>>25744580
He agrees with with your analysis. The idea of staking APR being high initially to incentivize and bootstrap staking early on makes sense. Then as you lay out, APR will decrease as more participants enter into staking but as a result token value will increase due to the network effect. High APR (more staking rewards to go around per staker) pulls people in at the start and then increasing token value keeps them committed to staking in the network as APR falls.

>>25744337
Dude this never happens supply doesn’t drain. Look at btc everyone and their mom wants it is the supply drained

>>25743111
Ya what the fuck did they mean by the 0.

>>25744992
they mean that link will go to 0

>>25741244
I bought LINK in November '17
what the fuck am I looking at?
what the hell are those reverse looking E's on the right side of the pic?

>>25742483
You have failed to grasp the potential you not reading was a meme you were supposed to read anon

>>25741481
>it would look like this
like what?
what am i looking at?

>>25742077
hey its me

>>25745712
Passive income rates, you brainlet.

>>25741244
If your coin is so good, why has it only gone up a couple $ in this insane bull market? Lmfao noob no one cares about LINK

>>25743715

>>25741244
What part of the current node reward come from Sergey himself?
Do we have some statistics showing how the partners are starting to pay for the nodes?

The rewards may not have to grow as a number of Link but through the Link price.
The number could be in the 1-3 million range but could still pay 10 times more with an increased Link price.
Sergey can't afford to dump more than 30-60 million Link a year or he will empty his development money too quickly.

Holy shit a real OG linker. I missed you guys so much, I miss how this board used to be.

Now link is 100x up, the whole world is changing and newfags are giving other newfags advice about different shitcoins. This is crazy, it feels like just yesterday I was lurking link threads learning about this obscure coin but I have more money then I could have made in 20 years of 40 hour a week work. It is funny how the world works.

>>25741244
>Chainlink staking is coming up
Stopped reading right there.

>>25746443
>she doesn't know

>>25741244
wtf that's not link staking works, link is collateral for node penalties. Nodes don't need that much of it.

>>25746366
>has not proved he has a insane stack
>Omg an original
You people will be hung for your treacherous tactics

>>25743340
Brown hands typed this pasta

>>25741244
>Chainlink staking is coming up
you guys always hype this up but never mention neet staking is going to be around for years until the network grows and can allow non-kyc nodes to get into the network. go suck a fat dick "OG"

>>25741481
Is $500 link really possible this run bros?

>>25741998
>the difference is that i never sold 1 link for the past 3 years
just imagine being proud of this

How do I stake?

How does the roll out of Arbitrum look like?
Is there a catalyst this year to reduce ETH gas costs and to increase the amount of operations on the ETH network?
Without this it will be hard to get more growth for the Link network without it using multiple L1 chains.

>>25747093
how'd you come to 500? You divide market cap by circulating supply right? Which comes out to roughly 96.8 euros or 118 USD.

>>25741998
Even better than this is to continuously buy for 3 years to slowly increase your stack size.
It's impossible to stop buying when you know it will go up...
The day this stops we will have to look for better investment opportunities and will have to find a new project.

>>25746603
>she trusts the russian scammer’s words.

18Y brazilfag here. Just bought 20 links. It’s what I can do at the moment. Whatever value this goes up by, I’ll get that multiplied by 5.

>>25741481
Klaus said smart contracts will take 10% of the 80T net of crypto by 2027.

>>25746832

>>25747467
his entire wardrobe from head to toe is chainlink colors...what an autist

>>25746366
Did you find out what you will do with this money?

is $289 link really possible this run boys

>>25746832
oh you just want a proof that i'm an OG, ok, what about this trip look it up in warosu

>>25747639

only 800 link
feels bad
>t. poorfag

>>25747467
Nice shoes...

like any of this will matter in 6-12 months when API3 will blow this fat mans personal ATM away

Just bought 1 link so that I can post in this thread. FUCK YOU LINK FAGGOTS! THIS PIECE OF SHIT IS OVERHYPED AND WILL BECOME THE NEXT XRP! it’s going to dump so hard, your panties will fall off and create a hole in the ground. Sergey has ties with Carlos matos! They were buddies for a period of time. You know this is not going to end well. Fucking pump and dump scam! See you at 10 cents! Chainlink is nothing more but an inflationary coin. Liquidity is not locked. Sergey mints 500k linkies every week and dump on retarded holders. This will be the next bitconnect. Chainlinkgod or whatever fucking faggot that shilled the duck out of it will end up getting sued and trialed! Hopefully those ducks will end up like Trevor fucking James that fucking nigger that shilled bitconnect! Good luck anons may your assholes get stretched in prison! If you’re lucky, sergey will be the one ramming his dick up your ass

I know this is offtopic but can Link oldfags confirm/deny how similar parsiq is to Link a few years ago

pic related my babystack im slowly growing

>>25747639
>>25747093
either one of the scenarios, depending wether btc corrects.
link is a coin that goes up only if not for a major black swan or obvious exit from serg

>>25747680
salute
are there any projects that you're into at the moment
i missed SNX even though some marines were shilling it

>>25747467
I think it was 2025

>>25747680
This explains Vitalik's allergic reaction to Chainlink!

>>25741244
I think this applies to UNN as well, at least if you'd have a look at my excel sheet

>>25748056
Can confirm. PRQ will pull what LINK did but much faster. LINK grew during a bear market. PRQ is at the start of a bullrun so potential gains are much higher in a shorter time frame.

>>25741244

Critical flaw here man. Linkpool says they'll max allow 10% of supply to be staked on their network. Based thread tho

>>25747680
Any other projects you find interesting right now?

>>25748218

>>25748748
They later said that was a very conservative estimate.

>>25748856
>>25748748
Just wait for six more years.

Lies

>>25748056
PRQ has an actual use case, tons of companies lining up to use it, an actual working product, already makes money from its profuct, is low cap AND isnt on any big cex yet.
Its capable of pulling something similar to link, if not greater.

>>25747467
>>25748748
Nigger can you read and calculate ?

>>25748748
My loan used to buy most of my Link stack will end in 2025.
I will have to rethink my life when that happens...
Link has been a marker for hope in the future in these difficult times.
When it's finished the world will be a completely different place.

>>25748856
Of course, I believe this as well, but a very conservative estimate can give us a sense of the foundation that we can expect even in the worst of times during a bear market/stagnation.

>>25749132
made you read HAHAHA NIGGER

>>25748056
>>25748911
>>25748353