/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>25645302
>biz doesn't know shit about literally anything

>>25645302
Cardano is far from dead -- it's barely even alive yet. Just reached Shelley and staking recently.It's not even listed on coinbase and literally doesn't even have smart contracts yet.

I thought nobody used Haskell and Cardano didn't have smart contracts anyway?? Every time someone made a Cardano thread people started saying it was an exit scam and vaporware?

>>25645302
>Cardano
>Dead

>>25646032

>>25645839
Nobody uses Haskell and Cardano doesn’t have smart contracts. None of that is false

>>25645839
just goes to show how retarded this board is. i literally only ever come here for the low iq posts

>>25646032

Where is DOGE on this chart?

>>25645839
It has a live KEVM dev net. Smart contracts goes live mainnet in March. Will support Solidity. Also will have an ERC-20 converter, easy to use with Metamask.

>>25646082
>Cardano doesn’t have smart contracts.
Will have in less than 3 months. KEVM dev net is live now.

>>25645302
Ethereum DAOs are shit.
Chainlink spends $2 millions on grants every month

>>25646117
I didn't make the chart, but DOGE has a good community. Haven't followed DOGE in years though, they up to anything new? Or is still just a memecoin fork of LTC? Any serious development? Or is still just "ONE DOGE = ONE DOGE" memery?

eternal $0.30 shitcoin

>>25645302
GUYS GUYS LOOK AT MY CHAIN ITS AWESOME YES NO ONE IS USING IT BUT LOOK YOU CAN STAKE YOUR COINS TO EARN MORE COINS WEEWWWAAAOOO

>>25646223
The current Cardano Catalyst Funds are basically beta tests for when the real Cardano treasury goes live. The treasury has $60 million worth of ADA in it right now, at current market prices.

>>25645302

>>25646375
>>25646331
>This is the best FUD on Cardano
Come on guys, you're not even trying.

>CARDAKEKS
>CARDANO IS A SCAM STOP BUYING IT
>STOP GOING UP
>I DIDN'T BUY AT $0.02
>STOP BUYING
>ITS NOT FAIR

>>25645302
SHOULD I TAKE PROFITS BROS!? BOUGHT under .10

>>25646207
>>25646164
If I wanted to learn how to develop an app on Cardano, where would I learn how?

>hires trannies
into the trash it goes.

>>25646082
Haskell is literally the future. LISPers UNITE

i remember when eos and tron were bragging about their warchests too
that sure worked out well for bagholders
if your project needs to buy people off to be interested, what happens when the money runs out?

>>25646854
You want to do it in Plutus or Marlowe? Or Solidity?
>Free Plutus course on Udemy
https://www.udemy.com/course/plutus-reliable-smart-contracts/
>Plutus book on amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Plutus-Writing-reliable-smart-contracts-ebook/dp/B07V46LWTW
>Plutus playground
https://prod.playground.plutus.iohkdev.io/tutorial/
>Marlowe Udemy course
https://www.udemy.com/course/marlowe-programming-language/
>Marlowe playground
https://alpha.marlowe.iohkdev.io/#/

Marlowe is a DSL. Much easier to learn and formally verify. Plutus is a blockchain specific flavor of Haskell.

>>25646897
The person in question got fired in 2019. Also, sewage level FUD.

>>25646032
>not realizing Cardano's number would be around 200 max if adding pretentious images & quotes to front-end of edgy renaissance poets wouldn't count

>>25646032
Where is IOTA on this list? Heard they are very active (IOTA foundation 100+ employees, releases and updates ever week basically)

>>25647156
great so i have to use a language of the 90s on 2021? so bullish for technology Lmao

>>25646942
>if your project needs to buy people off to be interested, what happens when the money runs out?
EOS raised $4 BILLION. #15
Cardano raised $60 million. #6
It's not the quantity, it's the quality. Barely any other project does as rigorous research as Cardano. Everything is peer reviewed and formally verified.
>inb4 peer review and formal verification is a meme
Doesn't completely stop pic related from happening, but it goes the extra mile to at least try and prevent it.

>what happens when the money runs out?
That's literally the point of the Treasury on Cardano. A certain % of transaction fees gets deposited to the treasury.

>>25647193
no seriously, if they're willing to hire one of those pustules of putrescence then i want nothing to do with them. trannies need fucking kerb-stomping before their shit-eating, their bug chasing and their faggot plagues take out the entire human race.

>>25647156
I heard you could use Rust too?

>>25647315
Any technology with firmware or BIOS run languages from 70s 80s and 90s. Google "assembly language". Languages evolve over time as well. Such weak FUD.

>>25647472
>then i want nothing to do with them.
Good riddance. Go back to /pol/

>>25647487
Yes, when IELE is ready and has formal semantics for Rust. Many popular languages will be added to IELE, allowing people to write smart contracts in their favorite language.

>>25645302
If you read biz and don’t have a strong bullshit filter, you will get rekt

>>25647638
i don't use pol. i just loathe homos. and so should you.

>Fags make up 2% of population, but 70% of new HIV cases
https://cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html
>Gay Men deliberately catching HIV
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bug-chasing-men-deliberately-trying-2033433
>Gay man convicted of trying to infect 10 men with HIV intentionally
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-41928938
>Gay culture in 'bug chase' sees HIV as desirable
https://www.theage.com.au/national/gay-subculture-in-bug-chase-sees-hiv-as-desirable-20070421-ge4pqy.html
>Chilling HIV undercurrent: Some want virus
https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2013/jan/27/chilling-hiv-undercurrent-some-want-virus/98144/
>H.I.V. Is Embraced, Not Avoided
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/11/28/how-will-aids-be-eradicated/in-barebacking-culture-hiv-is-embraced-not-avoided

And a clinical study proving that it's real.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4768590/

one bi guy and we all get to die. it ends.

>>25647735
Wow, sucks to be you. Letting other peoples opinion about themselves affect your life so much. Move on man.

Thanks to the recent price increase I've made $600 staking if I sell my staked coins, of which I'm never selling but just thought you would like to know.

>>25645839
You fell for the retard shitposters. I hope you didn’t flush your money down the toilet with shitcoins that only exist for exit scams like Polkadot or IOTA

>>25648128
>more dead than in ww1
>faggots not only doing nothing about it, but now doing it ON FUCKING PURPOSE, spreading deadly viruses during a pandemic
yeah threat of death of myself and the entire human race is more than just disliking someone's opinion you batshit cuck

>>25648321
Whatever man. That crazy person is not working on Cardano anymore anyway. Got fired for being an idiot.

>>25648283

I was going to buy a lot in like April when it was cheaper, but all of the people saying Tranny Coin, Vaporware and calling they guy who works on it a S0yb0y made me reconsider where my money was going. I thought only dumb money was buying Cardano because I didn't see any good memes.

>>25649095
>ALWAYS DO EXACTLY WHAT BIZ SAYS
Always do the exact opposite of what biz says.
ngmi.

Let me ask you guys this..

If Cardano is so well researched and well developed, why didn't they build something that works with Ethereum since there are already so many people using it? Even if Cardano is faster, cheaper, and/or easier to work with than ETH, Wouldn't it be hard to get people that don't look at anything but ETH onto their system?

And then if they do research like I did and see all the people that say bad things about it wouldn't it be even harder?

>>25646309

No. I was just shitposting.

>>25650269

Why would Hoskinson leave ETH to build his own blockchain if he was just going to be part of ETH?

>>25649095
Cardano isn't about the memes, but actually, for real, about the tech.
>>25650269
>why didn't they build something that works with Ethereum
Did you read the thread? KEVM and IELE is less than 3 months away. This means full Ethereum support, only cheaper, faster and way more secure.

>>25650269
Apparently there's a way to migrate ETH-related things to Cardano. I'm not technical so don't quote me.

>>25647264
Iota is not a Blockchain, it is a Distributed-Ledger-Technologie, so it didn't make the list

>>25645381
This. To add, they have recently seen projects liek Singularitynet and others start switching over so their projects can start working instead of running all on ETH with gas issues. Watch AI start running on blockchain and wonder why you didn't get a suicide stack in Jan 2021 when your profits were in and you can buy AGI for dirt cheap. KEK.

>>25645302
>more registered voters than all of Ethereum's top 100 DAOs
you retards actually believe this

please give me one example where it would be practical to use a smart contract
I'll be waiting

>>25645302
Gonna cash out 100x gains from EVE in the next 2 months

>>25651437
It turns everything into piecework.

>>25651437
Can automate the work of middlemen.

>>25651630
what the fuck is that even supposed to mean?
you can turn anything you want into piecework without millions of computers chugging terawatts

at my company we have piecework, we don't use a blockchain and I can assure you there is no way in hell our CEO would ever fork out as much as 10 cents for a fucking blockchain when he already has a system that is paid for and works perfectly

>>25647315
>> Literally knowing nothing about computers

>>25651873
>you can turn anything you want into piecework without millions of computers chugging terawatts
Cardano is PoS, not PoW like Bitcoin and current Ethereum. Part of the reason for ETH 2.0.
PoS uses orders of magnitude less energy. Cardano could in theory be run on raspberry pies, using 10 000+ watt. That's as much power as 2-3 average homes. Bitcoin uses more than all of Switzerland.

>>25651847
>Can automate the work of middlemen.
please give me a practical example where I would want this and have it done on a blockchain rather than just using a conventional contract backed by courts and police
>>25652241
so in other words it does consume more energy than just a regular old computer using a normal program to track piecework

>>25652480
Charge for usage of private space that's open to the public.

Amazon's grocery stores come to mind.

>>25652859
and why would Amazon use a public blockchain that is subjected to all the issues plaguing open networks instead of just creating their own closed, private and patented system in their stores?

I'm legit curious here because I can't think of a single usage for these things

>>25653048
I'm a layman, but it would seem like leveraging an existing currency rather than rolling Company Coin would cause a lot less problems if regulators get handsy. You think a vertical supply chain monopoly is something, wait until a private corp decides it wants you to use money it prints to by food.

>>25653048
>just using a conventional contract backed by courts and police
They take a huge slice of the pie.
>so in other words it does consume more energy than just a regular old computer using a normal program to track piecework
And if that one computer breaks or is hacked?

>>25645302
wait until the later funds, it'll be in the millions and then tens of millions later this year - especially as the price of cardano increases. On-chain governance and innovation funding.

>>25645839
it's everyday crypto maximalism. /biz/, reddit, twitter, it's all the same. hype your biggest hold and shit on any competitors. take everything with a grain of salt and do your own research.

>>25653048
>>25653319
It's also borderless. Everyone can use it and participate. Doesn't require a subscription or license.

>>25646082
>Nobody uses Haskell
every so often I get the opportunity to check retarded fudsters with these babies that I slapped together as a response to people like you. it's nice to be good at graphical tools.

>>25646082
another

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell

>>25650408
tomo already has that and has had that for over a year now. you cardano fags are completely blind to the greater market.... nobody wants to switch networks. if they did, then they would have. there's been better platforms for years now.

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at Bank of America

>>25651437
??? I mean, we all use uniswap don't we? thats an obvious practical use of smart contracts. this is the strangest fucking question on biz today anon....

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at AT&T

>>25645302
500k is literally nothing

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at Barclays to specify exotic equity derivatives in a domain-specific language... reminds me of DSLs that Cardano intends to create, the first of which is Marlowe

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at Credit Suisse

Just market x10 before it breaks 35c. 50c tomorrow, $1 eow, $3 eom. Ezz

>>25653615
>>25653679
>>25653563
>>25653511
>>25653462
>>25653415
jfc, no dude the other anon is right. haskell is a very niche language. just because you can find some people that use it for some things....doesn't mean shit.

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at Deutsche Bank. I like this one

>>25653786
cool, now do cobol next retard.

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at Ericsson

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at Faceberg

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at Intel

ladies and gentlemen.... the absolute state of cardano fags..>>25653879

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at Microsoft

>>25653758
Haskell is not niche at all, COBOL is niche

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at NVIDIA

So, what's the make it stack for this?

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at Qualcomm

>>25654009
it's more niche than cobol retard
>https://pypl.github.io/PYPL.html

>>25653319
>They take a huge slice of the pie.
and all your doing with smart contracts is adding another cost since the those smart contracts still need to be enforced by someone with a credible threat of violence in the real world
>And if that one computer breaks or is hacked?
backups, they're done automatically
>>25653397
>Nigerian guy borrows money from French guy to buy a house - house is lien
>Nigerian doesn't pay on time
>Smart contract gives lien to French guy
>French guy goes to Nigeria to check out his house
>Nigeria doesn't recognize Cardano law
>Nigerian guy shoots and kills French guy for breaking and entering
>>25653595
never used Uniswap
don't see how trading one shitcoin for another shitcoin is relevant anywhere other than on /biz/
like what exactly are you going to do? trade stocks? then companies would have to be restructured into public blockchains and ledgers which regularly get hacked in 51% attacks and the hacks are irreversible meaning there is no party that can make the affected parties whole

also, do these platforms have any way of anonymizing its users? the last thing I'd want is everyone on the planet having access to every contract that I've entered into

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at SIEMENS

>>25653758
Solidity is a much more niche language and Haskell.
It's also one of the worst language ever made, unlike haskell.

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except functional programmers at SooStone. Another nice one.

>>25654151
solidity is more niche than haskell, yes. it's also designed as a contract based programming language. haskell is not a selling point on the cardano blockchain, believe me. I do this shit for a living anon

>>25654125
That's the most retarded metric I have ever seen congratulations

>>25646082
>nobody uses haskell
except some of the most experienced god-tier developers.
>>25653758
>haskell is a very niche language
of course it is a very niche language, it's just tha the other anon has his FUD sprayer turned up to the maximum fear setting and is letting his COPE show.

>>25654297
>https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2020/4
ok, github references then.... we have haskell sandwiched between EMACS lisp and Vim Script.
wow, so very popular and well known.

>>25653595
I gamble on Defi land too, but let's be honest it's a disgusting experience that other than trying to get lucky in the next 200x shitcoin none would ever put themselves through, literally everything is broken in the ecosystem, hacks and rugs pull everywhere because solidity is a thrash language. paying 60$ for transactions that can still fail... it's literally disgusting and however memes that this is the future is completely delusional this several times worse what we currently have on fiat and traditional finance

>>25645302
>He believed the seething ETH and XRP fud
/biz/ is literally the most retarded investment community I've ever seen.
I still love this place though.

Haskell is the second to last language in popularity with 1.8%. No one uses Haskell, and your stupid little pngs will not change that.

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-programming-scripting-and-markup-languages

Most major languages will be coming to Cardano. Let the FUD flow:
https://youtu.be/k8a6tX53YPs
https://youtu.be/k8a6tX53YPs
https://youtu.be/k8a6tX53YPs

>>25647425

Fuck EOS. Bought 100 of them for 5 bucks. Didn't sell the main net launch at 20. This piece of shit is still under $4.

>>25654376
I get all of that. so why ADA then? why not EOS, or TOMO, of VET, of XLM, or any of the other hundred fully functional smart contract platforms?

>>25654395
And yet some of the worlds most experienced and senior developers use it at banks and trading houses just for shits and giggles eh anon? don't let the PNGs trigger you.
https://youtu.be/k8a6tX53YPs
https://youtu.be/k8a6tX53YPs
https://youtu.be/k8a6tX53YPs

>>25654131
Apparently my brain isn't big enough to spoon feed you.

>>25654465
You're right, none really knows where this tech is gonna go. Having a position in ADA or EOS or POLS or whatever ETH killer is basically just an hedge against eth. None really knows which one is gonna win out or how it's going to develop.

>>25653048
>and why would Amazon use a public blockchain t
don't know, don't care. and it's irrelevant to Cardano's future anon. They are probably better off with a centralized solution, and the world turns. Why are you so butthurt?

>>25654131
I'm not going to try to sell you on anything, but smart contracts is simply how programming logic on the blockchain is executed. so if you want to know what is possible or what use that is....it's up to you to figure that out. I could give you hundreds of things its used for today, but that doesnt mean you'll find it valuable.

>>25654465
I like ADA since they spend the extra time to get it right the first time. ETH likes to move fast, so shit like pic related >>25647425
happens all the time.

>>25654642
you should check out the video linked above:
>>25654544

>>25654739
>>25654131
I don't think you fully understand how odd your question is desu..... it's kinda like 15 years ago when people were asking "why would you bother building web applications when we have desktop software?"

>>25654376

It's brand new. You don't expect there to be bumps in the road?

if this market gave a shit about tech XLM would have been the go to platform years ago. it's still the fastest and cheapest fully fleshed out and battle tested smart contract platform we've seen imo. nobody wants to trade shitcoins on stellardex though.

>>25647425
>That's literally the point of the Treasury on Cardano. A certain % of transaction fees gets deposited to the treasury.
no lol, the point is to make charles richer
you newfags literally know nothing about crypto history. charles used to work with dan (who is the eos guy) on bitshares, but even scammer dan thought charles was a sociopath
after their fallout, charles wormed his way into the ethereum launch. money skelly and gang were pushing for a nonprofit foundation, charles wanted $$$. eventually he was too much of a psycho once again and got pushed out
charles hopped on the etc train then lobbied for years to add rentseeking just like what you describe. the etc community, small as it was, didn't go for it
at the same time charles was already shilling cardano as "the new bitcoin" to japanese pensioners in ponzi-style seminars. this worked well enough to raise money
EVERYTHING charles does is about growing his money stack. during the 2017 ico bubble he saw an opportunity to capitalize on ignorant western crypto newcomers by branding cardano as "the formally verified, academic", etc. blockchain
and look how well this worked. you're probably a 2018 or 2019 newfag, if not 2020, and you are repeating verbatim all the shill words he pushed forward. the man is a great marketer in some aspects, knocked it out of the park capturing the ~110iq plebbitish dunning-kruger demographic
now you're all caught up on crypto history. feel free to plug your ears, surely if you believe hard enough it's all fud your investment will work out

I just hold ADA cause numbers go up

>>25655251
this is the best fud u got after gobbling chico cryptos cock? literally talking out ur ass
stay poor and kys

>>25654896
web applications allow you to access resources and perform heavy duty calculations on the server side instead of the user side
smart contracts don't have any resources to offer - they'd need to access it from Oracles and the calculations aren't heavy duty
any resources you need would be easier to access directly from Oracles and any calculations you'd need to perform would be more efficient to perform on your own side since Cardano is not a charity - doing calculations will cost fees

the better question to ask would be why do we need Cardano when we have web applications?
the only thing decentralized networks do better than centralized networks is transparency and removing trust up to a certain point, the network is still susceptible to attacks and those attacks are completely devastating and may be impossible to ever recover from as billions can be stolen without any way of reversal except for another attack, correcting whatever the original attack fucked up
not sure large institutions and governments are willing to take those kind of risks

>>25655251
Cardano raised $60 million in ICO.
EOS raised $4000 million in ICO.
>Charles only wants to get richer.
Nice blog post though.

>>25655476
he's right though. nobodies been able to sell me on the merits of ADA.....there are already many comparable and even better platforms. so why in the world do you imagine this is going to be the one to eat ETHs lunch?

>>25655513
blockchain is a poor fit for most things people want to use it for, but it does have valid use cases too. anywhere you have multiple entities that are responsible for maintaining the same data...blockchain offers a solution.

>>25655655
See >>25646207
Cardano want to prevent pic >>25647425 as much as possible. ETH apparently doesn't care. There's a new hack every week. Not saying Cardano will be flawless, but they go the extra mile to try and get it right the first time.

>>25655980
what makes cardano smart contracts more secure than eths? when there's a flaw in the contract code, it can be exploited. you are suggesting that haskell will make it more difficult for developers to fuck up and introduce bugs?

All this time wasted talking about cardano when polkadot exists...

>>25656164
>you are suggesting that haskell will make it more difficult for developers to fuck up and introduce bugs?
Yes and no. It's easier to keep track and verify, because there are no hidden functions in Haskell. Haskell is also not used by you average java script kid.
>Why Haskell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnX3B9oaKzw
Cardano also makes extensive use of formal verification
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CTNS2D-kbY

>>25656382
lol

I wonder what Devs prefer doing: use the RoR-like rust substrate Blockchain toolkit or learn fucking Haskell to write smart contracts on a ghost chain

>>25656502
the only comparison here is cardano has a wall of text and polkadot does not

>>25656718
Obviously to brainlet to pick up what he's showing you. Polkadot literally uses Cardano's Ouroboros consensus mechanism that they built from scratch.

>>25656675
>He doesn't know
Here's a hint: IELE

>>25645839
So you're saying you've never independently looked into any coin that gets shit posted about here? Every single one of your investment decisions is blind faith in an anon post?

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>>25654182

So based.

>>25657550
Yea but like with crypto nobody really knows, you go to someone's website and its a bunch of tech speak and promises for some grand future. Seems like there's a good BS filter Here. Crap like Nulink, API3, and iota get called out as garbage pretty quick. I had previously put Cardano into a sort of "eternal promise big talker" category.

Are there any good Cardano memes?