/biz/ - Business & Finance

I got fucked today, biz... and not in a good way...

Get ready to buy the SRAC dip on open, it won't last long!

>BYD

Fourth for ALPP

can someone explain why huya has a higher market cap than douyu, even though douyu is more popular in china?

$ACB $YOLO is fucking mooning

>based Biden is coming

>>25541957
china isn't real

>>25541840

>>25541957
The Chinese prefer investing in real estate over stocks so a lot of the "logic" from the western markets don't apply.

>>25541957
hyua is buying douyu

Analysts are increasingly becoming bullish on T

Why aren't you?

What happens if your call expire itm but don't have the cash to buy 100 shares?

>>25542063
then you're not paying this months rent

>>25542063
you lose all of your investment, plus a 10% portfolio penalty
options are meant as a risk management strategy only, so misusing them has a heavy penalty

>>25542060
Don't have the time, desire, or patience for value traps

>>25542063
You should be selling the option before it expires.

>>25542030
thanks. Do you think now is a good time to buy huya?

>>25542063
most brokers will automatically sell them won't they?

Please give me an honest opinion of Microsoft. It's undervalued, right? It's been at 222 for fucking ever, even when a great earning report came out it got overshadowed because trump made a tweet or something. Should I dump it or keep it as a company that will still rise well with future plans

>>25541957

Quantum variables. Theta values. 5d chess. Radioactive semen. I'm all in. Huya douyu think you are punk. TSNP

>>25542186
I bought HUYA yesterday along with BYD
HUYA becoming a 10x really depends on how determined the CCP is to fuck them

Am I missing something or is SRAC ridiculously undervalued for what it is, even before the spicy dip?

>17M shares outstanding
>$15 price
> ~250M market cap
>SRAC will own 1/4 of MNTS equity, implying a merged market cap of ~$1B
meanwhile
>SPCE gets a market cap of $5B just for existing and having space in the ticker
>projected EBITDA for 2024 of $1B, even if we halve that twice that's $250M EBITDA
>a "normal" multiple of 20 = $5B
>a "tech meme" multiple of 40 = $10B
>tech meme multiple and taking projected EBITDA at face value gives us $40B but that's wild Cathie Wood Tesla Targets level wishful thinking
and then if you start calculating share prices from those market caps you get some intensely silly prices ($5B suggests $73/share at 68 million shares post-merger)
tell me where I'm wrong because otherwise I might have an erection lasting more than four hours

>>25542220
Thats what I'd assume to happen

>>25542227
why am I in a thread with retards like that

Give me one reason not to put my entire portfolio all in on this piece of shit

>>25542308
because we all like anime girls

>>25542308
Why is MSFT anon a retard?

>>25542220
Not necessarily at a good price. They could even sell it at a loss.

>QS

I am financially ruined

>>25542220
>>25542379
So if I had $10 GME calls, I should have at least $1000 x the number of options I own??

>>25541968
I'm gonna short them.

>>25542329
TQQQ

>>25542361
He is not a retard for owning MSFT, but you should be able to tell if the company is fairly valued. You don´t even have to do the math, just go to Marketwatch and look up the numbers.

Pe ratio: 35.12

Shit is already priced in and Microsoft is definitely not undervalued.

>>25542329
Wait for the dip in early Feburary.

ALPP

Buy COUV when it dips today

>NIO
>LI
>XPENG
How can I not win with at least one of these
Tesla is slacking on Western markets and peaking in China, China market is pushing towards EVs more. while their government has the balls to blatantly fuck over Tesla in favour of their own companies. If that happens Tesla loses one of their biggest markets

Fellow Eurotoids:
Is Degiro a good platform? Better suggestions?

>>25542581
>XIAOMI
>HUYA
>BYD

There are people in this thread who don't own DENN

>>25542592
if you're german or austrian you can try traderepublic, its basically a scuffed robinhood clone

>>25542592
I use Trading212 for my czechfag country and I could not find better option.

>>25542592
I started 15 days ago and picked up etoro. It's shit. Will raise the portfolio a bit and fuck off to some real broker

>>25541794

>>25542644
We have a stock market?

>>25542677
>neet
>turns 13k to 1 million usd
>makes another 15 million usd off a trader's fat finger
>makes 10x with those gains afterwards

>>25542680
>>25542701
/pol/ is that way

>>25542592
if you're in the eurozone then sure. fees are not that bad and they have a lot of american stocks

>>25542677
Literally could have been me if I swing traded WKHS instead of holding

>>25542272
>is SRAC ridiculously undervalued for what it is, even before the spicy dip?
Yes. Holding 1000 shares.

>>25542705
Oh, I meant like for me as a czechfag I could not find better provider. There is no czech market on T212

>>25542626
What's up with Denny's these days?

>>25542715
Hell is this way, semite. Have you paid your dues ? Have you bled enough? If you haven’t that means you are dead. You must pay tribute. Kike.

>>25542749
>>25542701
>>25542680
>>25542655
please fuck off

Should I just sell my PLTR I'm bored

>>25542781
nope. Fuck your Jewish stock market.

>>25542592
Degiro is shit, I wanted to buy LMT and they don´t have LMT available. Other defense stocks like RTX are available.

If you want to trade options get Interactive brokers (UI from the 90s) or apply for an American broker like Tastyworks,

>>25542772
hey gang found the looney
you do know this thread is for stock market stuff

>>25542801
all you're doing is mildly annoying some autists in the middle of the night, and burning an IP with a pointless ban

Kikes get slaughtered with the pigs.

Is this /xsg/? Left my pills here.

>>25542801
stay poor
your son WILL become a tranny and you will be HAPPY

>>25542825
>mildly annoying some autists in the middle of the night
>in the middle of the night
>night

But it is almost 11am? Wth? You should get chcked at the doctors.

Crypto fag here, stop posting this thread with a cute anime girl as the OP picture.

Seriously, you are making me want to investing in stocks just because of the anime girl.

Please. Correct your behavior!

>>25542811
>>25542825
When did /smg/ turn into Reddit and lose its balls AND foreskin ?
>Deuteronomy 23:1 No man with crushed or severed genitals may enter the assembly of the LORD.

>>25542843
it's night in the parts of the world that matter

>>25542843
In Americaland it's in a range of of +-3 hours from 12 AM

>>25542603
All of these already pumped to heaven

>>25542840
>stay poor
I’m literally crashing the stock market and you think I’m poor.

>>25542847
you should buy gamestop stock unironically

>>25542860
after nothing happens tomorrow will Qoomers still believe there's a "plan"?

and I thought tinny was our worst schizo poster..

>>25542840

>>25542860
When 4chan turned into a cooler reddit

>>25542891
>>25542898
I’m never leaving /smg/. I’ll shit post against you kikes here until I’m 80

>>25542891
Why would I buy gamestop stock rather then more bitcoin? Isn't gamestop to video games like blockbuster is to movies?

>>25542878
>implying they are not heavily undervalued

>>25542914
see
>>25542825
I don't think any practicing jew even knows this place exists

>>25542592
I have been using it for 1,5 years and they had technical errors only once. Not bad and if you want cheap transaction costs on muttstocks go ahead.

>>25542843
>11am
Kys brit this is an American general, make some bets on dental hygiene and deformed refrigerator torsos instead of posting on my eastern time zone board

>>25542744
im very bullish on capital flow into the consumer cyclical sector specifically the resturant sector and after looking through them all figured DENN is the best of the bunch. Good stock and decent breakfast if im going on a road trip, whats not to like

>>25542912
>cooler reddit
Fuck you newfag. You also need to be 18 to post here.

>>25542914
>calls anyone a kike
I think either your wife left you, baiting, or just drunk off your ass, but you have fun I guess

>>25542914
>>25542886
>>25542860
>>25542832
>>25542801
>>25542772
>>25542749
>>25542701
>>25542680
>>25542655
do your job jannies

>>25542921
because of Ryan Cohen and funny cat memes, basically

>>25542934
based EST poster its only 4:52am

>>25542961
You whine like female on period.

>>25542950
I’m the next Hitler. Are you Jewish? Please take this dna test so we can figure out which mass grave to place your semetic family in. This helps process you little chosen circles much faster .

>>25543042
>I'm the next Hitler, he said, from his mom's basement
Hitler had a job

Cool it with the antisemitism guys, that shit doesn't fly around these parts.

The niggers will be genocided more violently than the rape of Nanking. Except we won’t rape the blacks because that’s beastiality and that’s disgusting + a waste of time.

>>25543097
racism is fine though

>>25543072
I don’t need a job. I invested my fiat prudently.

>>25543121
>Business & Finance

Dumped my entire $600 into oil. That shit is coming back up soon.

>>25543150
Niggers ruining the world’s infrastructure and societal norms has a lot to do with business and finance. Are you stupid

>>25543155
oil is dead

>>25543155
Should have dumped it into NG if you really wanted to play commodities casino.

>>25543042
cool pic, i also hate kikes

>>25542220
I assume they just expire worthless and you don't take the shares. RH has done that a few times for me anyway.

>>25543171
>Niggers ruining the world’s infrastructure
hahahaha, nigger, if a dog bites you, is the owner or the dog the problem?

fuck, these shitcoins fudders can’t make good shilling
forget about them and don’t use this trash
take part mettalex - powered by Binance IEOS
>no big VCs or whales, high potential of rising

How do I stop Fomoing

Will America under Biden go into another lockdown like UK or has the new (((vaccine))) safeguarded the marked? If there’s another lockdown it’s all over you know that right?

I like value investing.
I recently made some good cash with the Intel dump, own SAP SE and Volkswagen.
Most of the market has surpassed February numbers.
Give your opinion on these companies:
Coca Cola -12,40% year
Boeing Co. -43% year
BP PLC - 48% year
Bank of America - 22% year
Industria De Diseno Textil (Zara brand) - 18,30% year
Would you invest in these risky stocks long term?

>>25541794
117th for Trump fucking up everything he touches and losing everyone money.

>>25543356
What a hot take
Just buy the dip

>>25543376
Coke and BAC. Coke as the eternal boomer consumer stock. Banks are going to be using printed money to buy back their own shares which is, by the way, almost the entire appeal of bank stocks.

>>25543376
SRAC is value investing see
>>25542272
its trading at 5x less than the intrinsic value of just having space in the name ($5B, which is what Virgin Galactic is worth despite being otherwise worthless)

short pfizer https://www.rt.com/news/511524-portuguese-nurse-dies-pfizer-vaccine/

AYO

what the FUCK is JNJs problem. Why do they take forever to finish their fucking vaccine? Dumb niggers

I’m invested in this bitch. why the FUCK do they let themselves get outplayed by everyone.

Is GME a good stock

Hope you guys sold your BNGO while it was mooned, down 20% in premarket kek

>>25543376
Finally a fellow boomer investor
buy KO and XOM

Yesterday sold my shares of NIO and Xpeng. I held them for 3 months and wanted some real gains, but Trump will probably delist chinese stocks if they don't comply with US standards. Not sure if I made the right decision. I mean, I've got some profit but wanted much more from EV stocks boom.

>>25543446
yes

>>25543376
The US government will never let Boeing fail. They buy too much shit from them and they employ too many people. I don’t have and educated timeline on them but they will come back.

HOLY FUCK KRATOS WHAT UP 14% PREMARKET I'M GONNA

IM GONNA

IM GONNA DROOOOOOOOOONE

>>25543461
Are you retarded? Trump is gone in a few weeks and Biden loves China.

JVA

>>25543506
Shid, i am on with only 60$. Well, better than nothing I guess

HOW IS BTBT STILL FUCKING CLIMBING GODDAMNIT I SHOULDVE HODLED

>Sudafrican strain present in Europe has a mutation that might reduce the efficacy of vaccines.

Everything goes as planned.

1st of February.

Do with this info whatever you want.

>>25543506
wait nvm that's postmarket movement from yesterday I somehow didn't notice until now

I’m gonna ask this only one time. WHERE. IS. JACK. MA.

>>25543376
Be careful with banks, every company uses certain loopholes in accounting, some even cook their numbers, but you don´t know how much the banks are tied up into some shenanigans.

As far as I know they didn´t have to write off bad credit during the Covid period. The balance sheets look much better than they really are.

>>25543459
You'll see

>>25543624
What's the time?

>>25542947
hmmmm interesting. I've been becoming very bullish on big business restaurants such as MCD and Wendy's. The reason being is because small business restaurants are closing down. Big business restaurants should make more money.

>>25543586
They can just adjust em now. Might be an issue but I doubt it. Markets got plenty of other reasons to crash

>>25543624
they jacked ma

>>25543624
YOU NEVER XI MEE AGAIN, I AM GONNA CRY FOR YOU, YOU NEVER XI ME AGAAAAAAIN, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO

>>25543719
hambaga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdIc6tGCL-4

what do you guys think PLTR does after the washington post interview thursday?

>>25542272
No I'm I'm buying the dip in large quantities if it ever touches 12.90, at least 2k shares

>>25543406
>>25543408
>>25543460
>>25543502
>>25543649
thanks boomer friends. There is definitely still some value to be found. Not just in the stock market but also in this general

>>25543565
blessed poorbro

>>25542592
Been using for a year. No issues. All works fine. App works good and looks good. Easy to use.
Don't really know of decent alternatives.

GOEV
The time is now bros. Bought in again yest at the absolute dip

>>25543532
fuck off shill, according to lin wood trump is not leaving office

biden will likely concede this week

>>25544039
Oh damn, Lin wood said it. the president elect should definitely concede

>>25544093
if you knew anything about lin you wouldn’t be mocking me

>>25544039
Lin Wood's twitter is increasingly erratic and schizo
>>25543502
Don't have to. Can just break it up into military and civilian firms.

>>25544133
correct on both counts. i can't believe people are still under the impression that trump will be in office come february, as sad as that may be for some to admit.

protip: literally nothing will change. literally nothing.

>>25541794
JAGX has brought forth many shekels. How high will it go?

>>25543722
Global lockdown soon.

BFT more like BTFO down $1700 on this shit that faggot recommend fuck always do the opposite of /biz shills.

>>25543920
30 y/o boomer reporting in flowing on these value stocks

>>25544173
>protip: literally nothing will change. literally nothing.
As someone said yesterday
>The stock market doesn1t care about politics
>The stock market doesn't care about the POTUS
>The stock market somewhat cares about the congress

>>25544093
Biden is not the President-Elect. He never has been.

>>25544203
Why do you think that

>>25543624
He dead

>>25544264
Oh yeah, baby, pump those $TINFOIL numbers, if the schizos continue to multiply the way they do right now, it's going to the moon.

>>25544093
What else did Lin say?

>>25544246
pretty much. market wants a house divided so nothing changes and fed policy remains basically where it's at now. split congress is ideal for business.

>>25544039
I like Trump, and think all dems are basically retarded, but this isn't going to happen

>>25544219
Whats your fucking average? BFT has been shilled since 11.7

>>25544315
Just some stability without some retard turned president fucking things up with a tweet about the stock market would be nice

>>25544350
>>25544315
I loved to swing trade based on those based tweets tho.
I'm hoping for a full Dem congress, volatility is my friend.

>>25544246
This is not correct watch what happens when regulations start rolling in, best thing that can happen is at least one republic win and there's electoral gridlock. Smart money's absolutely scarred of a 50/50 senate and Biden. It it ends with 51/49 there will be no issue.

>>25544350
if you think biden would be any better at all you're sorely mistaken. his mental health is a real issue that makes him gaffe prone and literally nobody wants kamala harris to be president. not defending trump but we're trading one retard for another here and if you are drinking the koolaid thinking things will improve economically under biden you're just as retarded.

we're not going up today

Was Tesla ever close to the bankruptcy brink? Absolutely, CEO Elon Musk revealed on Twitter. Musk replied to a fan on Twitter asking how close the automaker came to bankruptcy while it worked to bring the Model 3 into production, and the CEO answered honestly, saying the company was a month away from the tipping point. He said the period between the middle of 2017 and the middle of last year was a very tough time for the automaker amid "production and logistics hell." Musk has often used the phrase to describe the difficulty of bringing the Model 3 to life. Building cars is hard, guys.

So far, however, things seem to have shaken out in Tesla's favor. Model 3 sales remain strong, and the Model Y should help Tesla increase its production facilities' scale. But we should remember that Tesla books the majority of its profits with the sale of regulatory credits it sells to other automakers. One day, those credits likely won't be there to sell, but perhaps it's just the handicap Tesla needs to fully flourish. The automaker plans to spend up to $12 billion through 2022 to ramp up production at two new manufacturing facilities -- one in Berlin, Germany and another in Austin, Texas.

>Is Musk playing 4D chess or was it really that close?

>>25544382
yeah i'd like to have some nail biting again in smg these smug idiots are insufferable.

>>25544406
People always forget that the congress is in the pockets of large corporations. There will never be any regulations that is harmful for them, it's all hot air.

For example: there is a ton of FUD about corporate tax increases, but we all know noone in the SP500 actually pays any corporate taxes, so this will not affect them at all.

>>25544133
>Don't have to. Can just break it up into military and civilian firms.
>America EVER splitting up a non monopoly
Please refer to this post >>25542934
It’s past noon in Bristol, go to work faggot

>>25544339
15.80, my stop losses did not trigger at 15.40 because webull had some shitty outages over the past couple days. Specifically on the 31st when it started to tank.

>>25544480
A lot of great new ventures were hanging onto life only inches away from bankruptcy.
That is exactly what makes them so great

Ready to support OUR president bros?

>>25544480
>we should remember that Tesla books the majority of its profits with the sale of regulatory credits it sells to other automakers
This is not true. The profit margin on their cars is humungous.

>Is Musk playing 4D chess or was it really that close?
Both tesla and spacex was on the brink of collapse a few years ago, but they pulled through. The highest of high risk, high reward strategies.

>>25544350
>let's make a nigger pajeet POTUS so all of the crazy regulations from her cabinet and the moonbats in the House can fuck over the economy even more than our virus histrionics

>>25544520
15.80 is not that bad dont sell

What are some good Europoor stocks?

So far I have bought CDP RED, Airbus, Ubisoft and ITM Power.

>>25544480
No he was pretty close and slept in his office a lot during those times, or so I've read how fucked things were.

>>25544520
Sounds like a (you) problem.

>>25544576
The whole AOC thing is lefty marketing BS and righty FUD. As if the old money plutocrat Dems would let a commie chick dictate anything or be anything else than a pretty face for retarded zoomers and doomers.

Just see what happens to Bernie every 4 years.

>>25544584
I won't but I'm still going to make memes and bitch about it on /biz

Schizophrenia is NOT an excuse to fuck up an inauguration. Please stay home.

On the other hand, I'm still holding UVXY

>>25542603
>>25542256
>BYD
Held through the dip and didn't add, looks like adding to a parabola now

>>25544551
not really /biz/ related but i guess an interesting question for you degenerates is: how likely is it that this turns bloody? as in, how likely is it that bariatric trump supporters get merc'd and humiliated by the combined forces of aspiring rapper/white woman antifa and police? on the off chance that bariatric boomers decide they've had enough, what are the chances we might actually see some bloodshed on the antifa side for once/a threeper takeover of metropolitan DC?

and what implications would that have for markets?

and when will i be able to go to DC to get weed again?

>>25544598
I hope you lose money today nigger

>>25544590
I'm holding CDPR since the playstation dip, and it's pretty comfy, ngl.
I've held SAP since the dip, also comfy.
Planning on buying some SHELL, but I'm still undecided about that.
Everything else is crabbing in europe.

>>25544590
>eurostocks
there was an investment agreement between china and the EU
Europoors will get scammed on so many levels, only chinese companies and the CCP will profit

never invest in this overregualted shithole

>>25544639
If it didn't happen after the presidential election, it won't happen now either. It's just all talk online (with a ton of obviously russian and chink astroturfing).

>>25544622
bernie's in on it mane. AOC not so much. they'd have to strong arm her with threats if she actually started winning support among her colleagues, who mostly just bow down to Pelosi/Schumer (the Jew wing of the Party.)

back on topic, if Biden even so much as entertains any kind of "green" legislation it's game over for XOM. they're already teetering. i have a feeling XOM and oil might actually get fucked pretty hard in the coming years, because it seems like Democrats are able to massively impact the fuel/auto industries through regulatory fiat (bypassing Congress.)

>>25544639
Probably around 1 to 0% these faggots won't do shit.

>>25544659
why CDPR? what do they have going for themselves after the cyberpunk release? anything to look forward to?

>>25544720
Oil is fucked for sure. With automotive gas sales drying up, and no oil-based powerplants, it's gonna be hard for them.

NatGas however is gonna peak for sure. All this green talk aside, with the amount of EVs that will hit the market in the following years, a shitton of peaking and baseload plants will have to be built, mostly gas. So any oil company that's heavy on gas instead of oil is going to come out as a winner till at least 2026.

XOM is also foolishly pissing away a ton of money as dividends, instead of reinvesting like BP.

>>25544725
>what do they have going for themselves after the cyberpunk release
Literally cyberpunk. People tend to forget the disaster the witcher 3 release was, but it worked out pretty well in the long run.
It's already a very good game on high end PCs, and they're gonna fix it for the rest in like a year, and come out with a juicy DLC with all the cut content in 2022 or 23.
It's a long hold, but I predict +100% in the next 2-3 years. it's a value stock.

>>25544770
Ev is what 1% of auto sales?


We’ll be recycling dinosaurs for years to come. You think people that don’t work and are in food lines will be buying a new tesla?

>>25544720
Good I hope all the faggots in the oil industry lose their jobs. I literally have cousins in Texas who hate the right and think there's 42 genders who work for oil companies. I hate these faggots

>>25544770
BP is more retarded than XOM, pissing away its dividend on shit like renewables. XOM would be fine if it cut its dividend, or issued bonds to buyback shares (thus limiting dividend payouts.) But if it did either of those things the stock price would tank.

MGMT at XOM is too pussy to cut the dividend, nobody wants to be the guy to cut XOM's dividend. But it needs doing.

>>25544723
If we're lucky, nothing will happen (other than them getting their phones scraped by the FBI and put into the terrorist database as white supremacists, ironically.) If something does happen where a boomer shoots up feds or natl guard or antifa, their phones will be scraped and they (and you) will be put into an FBI database as white supremacists, unironically.

>>25544590
SAP has been doing pretty well. You should just observe the Frankfurt/Paris/etc stock markets and see which ones do well, check finance see if they have a sizable volume on average etc.
The problem with non-US stocks is that it can be difficult to get important news about each company if you don't speak the language.

>>25544857
This guy gets it

An oil giant focusing on green shit is retarded. Do what you do well don’t try and change what you’re doing.

It’s like having an orthopedic doctor do a coronary bypass. It’s full retard never go full retard. Xom will be here for a long time to come

>>25542402
Sorry

>>25544833
You're right, there's no question about it - Africa and China are not nearly as sentimental about the environment and EVs are vanity goods the third world cannot afford. There are billions of people who will be industrializing in the next 40 years, and they will be doing so using oil.

The big question is who will be positioned to take advantage of it. XOM needs to shake things up to stay on top - namely, trim dividends to stay solvent. Otherwise it'll be a chinese company to take that market share (it'll probably be a chinese company anyway.)

>>25544856
That's a real god damn shame. Austin? I was born in Houston, got out before it became Cali 2.0. Sad what has happened out there. Of course, VA is pretty much the same situation.

>>25544833
have you ever run out of gas?
Or wished you had a pump in your garage?

>>25543659
Yes we'll see as all biomemes plummet back to 10 cents

>>25544975
No, and no.

>>25541957
Probably because Huya is expected to have higher earnings/revenue/users growth than douyu is.
In fact Huya's revenue is higher than Douyu's even with a smaller user base. Huya has a higher percentage of mobile users, which usually are more profitable and could explain the difference.

>>25542030
This is not relevant. M&A don't affect market cap.

>60bn company and 10bn company
>A merger is anounced
>Still a 60bn biz and a 10bn one
>Day of the merger
>60bn+10bn=70bn biz

For adquisitions:
>60bn biz buys 10bn one
>Day of the adquisition comes
>60bn biz gives 10bn cash to 10bn biz, gets 10bn biz
>Now there is a 60bn biz and a 10bn bank account

M&A only affect the market cap if it's paying more or less than the value of the other bussiness or if there are sinergies created by the process (but this would affect both bussinesses)

>>25544995
do you own a car sir?
Have you ever had a commute?

>>25544857
Pretty confident that those that call for actions are just glowies looking to update their database like you've said. It seems beyond retarded to go in such a length to defend Trump so much, especially now lel.

>>25544975
No because I’m not a retard

Cars have a great system, they even tell you range now a days commie faggot.

I warned this general not to listen to Boomers saying to sell before the election and I am telling you now not to sell because of Trump's temper tantrums. This retard rally does NOT care. Any temporary selling is a buying opportunity.
Newfags that think politics matter for the market on the whole are retards and the market WILL extract the retard tax from you.
>>25544857
>But if it did either of those things the stock price would tank.
For like 2 days because of dividend tracking ETFs. That would unironically and finally be the buy point for XOM. Suspending the dividend early was the smartest move Disney did and look how it helped them. You'd then sell when XOM reinintiated the dividend.
Tanking out loans to pay a dividend is absolutely retarded.

>>25544857
I doubt it. Nogs seem to get away with a lot more and not make it on any sort of list.

>>25545031
sir I may be attracted to men who look like women and also actually are biologically women, but I am not a communist

>>25545015
Yes and yes.

I drive a car that, for less than 1/2 the price, will last me 3x the useful life of a Tesla, can go 450 miles on a single tank, takes 4 minutes to fill up any bumfuck place i stop, and can comfortably and reliably transport myself and my family without worrying about it catching on fire or bricking when i update it. tesla is a meme. it might not always be a meme, but owning a tesla is something faggots and rich moms do to dab on other rich moms. fuck that shit.

>>25545017
boomers are very susceptible to propaganda on facebook and LOVE to pretend they're tough shit, but probably too pussy to bring a firearm into DC. you'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to do that.

they are the most materialistic people on earth and do not want to sacrifice their comfortable retirement to LARP out their political fantasies - besides, Biden is pretty milquetoast.

Even still I think there's a pretty big chance something will happen. This country is a powderkeg.

>>25544598
Learn to take a joke, you fucking faggot. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to use some chink shit to buy a position you didn't research, nigger.
I hope you get Super AIDS and worms next time you go the bathhouse.

>>25544955
Funny because the wife who works for the oil industry is from CA, the husband who works for them is a local from Dallas and he's worse. Both these faggots unwittingly cheer on there own destruction and I hope they get what they deserve.

>>25545050


Based Gregory mandarino posted

The market literally gives zero fucks
Zero

>>25545050
Yep, pretty much 100% on board with this post, although I must admit that my brokerage is fully cash and has been for quite some time now. It's better for my mental health. I don't want to play roulette with my money, I'd like to see a correction before I put my discretionary non-retirement investment cash into the market again. And of course if XOM cuts that dividend, I'll be first in line.

>>25545056
The FBI doesn't give a fuck about niggers - the entire organization is dedicated to fucking over patriotic white males under the guise of "white supremacy." Look what they did to the people tweeting memes at Eichenwald, or the poor kid in C'Ville, or any number of examples from the past few years. They are chomping at the bit to throw boomers in jail for terroristic activities - been that way since the 1990s and probably before then.

>>25544833
The question is how expensive will EV be to maintain and repair? And how fixable is it for the common car enthusiast?

>>25545114
I'm pretty sure the country will split up in 10 years time and don't think anything significant will happen, maybe some faggots with shoot someone but it will just be he pointed mace at me so I shot him then being faggots they will surrender.

HEY MAN NICE SHOT

(Sorry Bud, that shot was actually deliberately rendered ineffective by some asshole in the supply chain)

>>25545194
ev is a meme created by the government climate change hoax and creates more carbon emissions than gas does

Going to start selling CLF Puts today and implementing the wheel strategy in my portfolio. Admittedly I've been trading a few years and never bothered learning about this, but I want to try it out. The profits don't really look amazing but it seems safe. Wish me luck. I'll probably get assigned my first time.

>>25545208


Fourth turning called in in ‘96 could be any combination of these

>>25545194
>ngmi
Thinking they'll allow you to repair an EV.

>>25545181
Yes because the FBI is literally run by Jews, it's not your fried and as soon as people realize this we take one step closer. Accelerate.

>>25545114
>Even still I think there's a pretty big chance something will happen. This country is a powderkeg.
No it isn't. It is in fantasy wankland of social media bubbles precisely because people are too attached to their stuff. Large civil conflicts don't start over being butthurt over elections.
I think long term maybe if the Fed keeps thinking it can destroy the middle class without consequence.
>>25545208
>I'm pretty sure the country will split up in 10 years time
No. Balkanize is just the mental masturbation of the butthurt. The country survived Southern Resistance and the civil rights movement. This is child's play.
>>25545194
The real underlying is the energy demand from electrifying the fleet which is going to be way too much for the energy grid as is to handle even with Solar memes.
Imagine if your electricity cost 4x as much. No memer in the EV space thinks about or cares about scale. Elon Musk most of all.

>>25544039
I always imagined him as a chubby Asian guy.
Guess thats what he gets for going by "lin"

>>25545194
Wrong questions to be asking senpai.

Real question is total cost of ownership and viability of secondary markets. EV batteries degrade something like 15% every 100,000 miles which means that your $40,000 model 3 (jesus christ, i didn't realize they were that expensive, my fucking kia forte 6 speed manual was literally $16,000 out the door incl. all fees and tax) will need a complete battery pack replacement not long after purchase assuming you actually use it.

That is not an economically viable model in my opinion. The long term value of EVs just isn't there. And it probably never will be.

Where is Jack Ma?

Wirecard chads ww@

>>25545376
You mean American action hero Jack Marston?

>>25545323
>>25545371

Well that's what I'm thinking as well. It's an asset that loses it's value very time it's on the road, more so because of the lithium battery that degrades over time, has a lower range than a normal car and most likely will be more expensive and difficult to fix than a BMW.
So far it has more cons than pros compared to a normal car.

>>25545355
>No it isn't. It is in fantasy wankland of social media bubbles precisely because people are too attached to their stuff. Large civil conflicts don't start over being butthurt over elections.
I think long term maybe if the Fed keeps thinking it can destroy the middle class without consequence.
Yes people are too attached to their stuff for large scale organized revolt against the US Federal government but we are certainly headed in that direction. You are a fool to discount the possibility that something big goes down tomorrow. This country IS a powderkeg and while boomers are indeed too materialistic to ever do anything (even if they are robbed by the Fed) you take enough facebook tough guy boomers and put them in an unfamiliar zoo with a bunch of rowdy antifa and something most definitely is liable to happen. At least I hope so.

>>25544491
>It’s past noon in Bristol, go to work faggot
It's 11:48 here?

>>25545376
Probably locked up in some Chinese torture prison

>>25545444
when you have unlimited money elon could just start taking a loss on each vehicle and make it compelling for you and youll be forced to buy an electric car eventually

unlimited funds will do that

>>25545444
They aren't difficult to fix or repair, the repair costs are one of the few advantages they ahve over IC. EV motors are dead simple and batteries are swappable (in theory, for a huge cost.)

Anyway whether that translates to the real world is anyone's guess. The government will probably tip the scales in favor of faggot ass yuppies and their EVs with tax credits and CAFE standards.

I am starting to accept what Michael Burry said about etf's.
Look at the S&P 500. ATH, filled with hundreds of literally who companies, tech bubbles and even 1000 p/e Tesla.
What the fuck.

>>25545446
>You are a fool to discount the possibility that something big goes down tomorrow.
Some senators will try to milk 15 minutes of fame and no one will care what anyone in the house has to say.
Lin Wood might declare he is Jesus Christ.

>>25545278
Don't care buying in and oil is dead

>>25545478
>when you have unlimited money elon could just start taking a loss on each vehicle
He already does. I don't think Tesla has ever made money on any car they have sold. They just use stock dilution to subsidize further deliveries.
TSLA achieves the same effect as negative interest rates for investors. JPOW might be slamming down some market buys out of sympathy for the model.
>>25545507
Sure but that will keep going as long as financial assets are sought after instead of ANYTHING else. Wall St. managers are as much to blame for this as anything else.

Who else is already blessed with WKHS calls?

>>25545584
Blessed? They got huge news and the stock barely moved.

>>25545493
Hm friend you here repairing this EV? Oh you changed what? Going to have to bring it in you know software, and oh man bugs. You know how it is? New parts we need to make sure its road safe there.

>>25545612
Up 8% and another 2% after hours. With news like yesterday’s WKHS will never be under $20 again

>>25545579
so its a admitted hoax company PR stunt they are funded by a magic meme man who millions of people have agreed to send their money to him

how are they going to make their money back off those teslas they already sold to people?

even a subscription they wont pay back their 40 grand in a life time

>>25545289
Sell puts on MARA and RIOT faggot

>>25545291
Yeah we're close but I just don't think we're that close. Yet, I will say the whole election fraud did push us five years ahead though at least.

Does Disney dip in January?

I feel ashamed but intrigued. Maximum loss is 200, maximum gain is however much the chinese will pump it.

>>25545612
>Blessed? They got huge news and the stock barely moved.
Barely moved???

>>25545644
Buddy if they don't get the UPS contract you're going to 12-15. They'll probably recover from there though.
>>25545660
I only sell puts on stocks I want to own.

>>25545702
He has puts probably

>>25545584
o/

>>25545681
You should be ashamed, how can just give money to the literal criminals who run that company?

>>25545709
They just got a 6000 truck order. They don’t need USPS like they used to

>>25545749
They're not criminals if they're gonna buy me a pizza tonight

>>25545371
>EV batteries degrade something like 15% every 100,000 miles
You know what degrades more than 15% over 100000 miles? Fucking IC engines. And have fun swapping those every 2-300K miles.

>>25545636
The old manufacturers are already doing the same thing with their own cars.

>>25545579
> I don't think Tesla has ever made money on any car they have sold
Thankfully, you don't have to "think", there is hard data that they make like 20% margin on each car.

>>25545720
The stock has been crabbing for 3 months. If anything I'd set up an Iron Condor/Butterfly.
>>25545758
Tell that to the shareholders that will jump ship if/when that's announced.

>>25544856
Are they admin or do they work in the field? Can imagine a tranny roughneck lasting too long.

>>25545709
This is why I want to be long on RIDE instead. I'm getting out of WKHS around 22.

>>25545507
somehow people don´t connect the huge asset valuations with the etfs, but the etfs are one of the causes for this

>>25544975
I had a special gauge installed on my car to prevent just that.

>>25545749
>>25545805
look ma i'm investing

>>25544856
I will always hate you fucking burgers for enforcing this stupid gender bullshit on the world

I hate chinks

>>25545886
Come live in Eastern Europe. It's literally written in our constitution that there are only 2 genders and you don't get to choose.

Pretty much everything else sucks though, which may or may not be a coincidence.

Bros, I was away yesterday. Is the crash finally starting?

Also, these BCRX bags are getting way too heavy.

>>25545886
only a tiny minority of the population believes that shit, everyone else is just paying lip service because they don't want to get screamed at or fired

>>25545917
trust me, I plan to do this. I just have to finish my college degree

what is this pattern?

>>25545194
There are issues with repairing Tesla’s on your own such as getting locked out of fast charge stations and not getting software updates. Some nog on YouTube has a pretty good series of videos on this.

>>25545826
>Tell that to the shareholders that will jump ship if/when that's announced.
Shareholder fears are eased now that there are 10,000 cans on order

Fuck SRAC, the inital launch was meant to be December then it was moved to January and now it is June. I guess all space stocks are the same, hopes and dreams but nothing to show for it.

>>25546025
A few tens of thousands in orders to be delivered in 2026 doesn't warrant this share price. The only things propping it up are the USPS contract and the 10 stake in RIDE.

>>25546025
Found the $30 bagholder.

>>25545984
The "Markus' Solvency Surprise"

How many positions do you have in your portfolio? I'm a noob that just counted and I have 20+ and that's prolly way too much right?

>>25545830
Engineer and Geologist, I imagine its one of those faggy Engineer types that come on the jobsite to inspect shit. I worked in construction never oil. They speculate on areas with new oil in it too. SO mostly Admin I imagine, still think they are faggots

>>25546098
At this point you might as well put your money in 2 index funds.

>>25546076
My only exposure to WKHS at the moment is $22 calls expiring on the 22nd. I’ll be fine

>>25545910
Yes but buy BABA

>>25546053
>A few tens of thousands in orders to be delivered in 2026
That’s a funny way of saying the deliveries for pride are slated to begin in July 2021

https://ir.workhorse.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/162/workhorse-receives-purchase-order-from-pride-group

Where are my WKHS chads, 6300 trucks ordered by Canadian company.
USPS contract will be announced in Q1 and IKEA announcement will be coming. The future is looking good for WKHS.

>>25546151
Begin, yes. But they have capacity to build like 1-2000 vehicles each year and they are struggling to increase this number. The lordstown factory might help in this, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

>>25545917
I am going to move to West Virginia or Idaho. having lived in Six or so conservative states in the US, I can tell you most of them are VERY cucked. I have been to most states here in the US the most important part is to stay the fuck away from any city with over 20k people, even my small town of 12 here in rural PA has blue haired faggots and niggers running around.

>>25546195
>Begin, yes. But they have capacity to build like 1-2000 vehicles each year and they are struggling to increase this number.
It isn’t hard or expensive to find a factory willing to produce a few thousand vans

>>25541794
I wish crypto guys enjoyed anime lesbians like you fine folks. Instead, they just post frogs.

>>25546151
>>25546195
Or are you talking about RIDE? It has 80K vehicles on (non-binding) preorder, and a huge factory, so I'm super bullish on them. not so much on WKHS.

>>25546183
The ikea thing is already priced in, and it's actually through Ryder.
The USPS thing is already also priced in and IMO they have a 90% chance of not getting in. Also, it's a government contract, so they might not announce it for another year. It's been delayed a few times now.

>>25546026
buy in the high 12s, its a pump and dump. I think it will hit 12.80s right after open

>>25546098
All of them.

>>25546195
They were only struggling because of chinese carolina virus. Have you seen how basic their vans are. They'll scale up fast

>>25545376
#FreeJack

>>25546269
No im talking WKHS. They have commercial contracts that are appealing

>>25546260
I am so dumb for not buying BTC at 6k, I had orders in at 5500 that never hit for 4 BTC.

shill me on MT and CLR

>>25546291
Yeah, I've seen that the corollavirus hit like 30% of their workforce... of 50 people. Anmd yeah, I've looked at the trucks. They are just huge golf carts made of fiberglass and epoxy. Still I'm not sure how much they can produce, especially with batteries being a major bottleneck.

The Lordstown Endurance on the other hand looks _sweet_. Look at a few interviews with the CEO, the guy knows his customers, and I hope they will deliver.

>>25546338
I'm still on the opinion that a few 10s of thousands of vehicles and 100 employees don't warrant a 2BN market cap. It's all because of the USPS hopes.

>Continue ze doomp

>>25545437
Fucking sold my bag yesterday. I feel like the universe is conspiring against me sometimes. Why is is blowing up?

>>25546372
>MT
very good
make big money
please buy

>>25546260
It's the biz way.

>>25546400
>I'm still on the opinion that a few 10s of thousands of vehicles and 100 employees don't warrant a 2BN market cap. It's all because of the USPS hopes.
The point is WKHS has the only all electric last mile delivery van that’s certified on American roads. They are the leader in their space, and finding factory help isn’t a big issue

>>25546484
> the only all electric last mile delivery van that’s certified on American roads
This could easily change in a year. Exactly for the reason already said here: their truck is super easy to make.

And if factory help is easy to find, what's WKHS' value-add? the superior engineering?

When is PLTR going back to 30

>>25542592
I use Saxo but that's because they automatically do taxes for me, maybe they do it for your country too.

>>25546410
+2% S&P500 EOD

>>25546424
>stocktwats catches wind
>the chinese flick the domp switch
like pottery

>>25546484
you do know if they miss the USPS contract its going to 10 or less, if they get it over a 100 is even possible however briefly.

>>25546586
christ what a load of illiterate retards

>>25546544
It's called first mover advantage

>Avian flu confirmed: 1,800 migratory birds found dead in Himachal
>Kangra DC bans slaughter, sale, purchase, export of poultry, birds, fish
Oh no I just had tendies last night and my throat is a little raw. It's over.

stop selling you fucking absolute faggots

>>25546544
>And if factory help is easy to find, what's WKHS' value-add? the superior engineering?
Proprietary drone hub van

>>25546634
That drone stuff is just a marketing meme and you know it.

>>25542060
Im on estradiol

good god i hate MM niggers

>>25546400
>USPS "hopes"
can't wait to dab on you weak faggots, it's a done deal

>>25546632

I'm just waiting for panic niggers to sell so I can buy the dips

>>25546648
No but you seem to have all the answers. Enlighten us on which other last delivery van will be certified by the end of the year?

>>25546709
I've dealt with US government deals in the past, and this is why I'm super skeptical.

>NAK up 30% in 2 days for no reason
I bet it's the "Here's how Trump can still win" cultists.

Will PLTR dump when covid dies down?

I already have 100 WKHS, I'm tempted to buy 100 more but I think I should just sell a $19 put on it.

>>25546768
No, why would it?

>>25546757
I could care less what it is, I just want to dump by bags t not a 60% loss

What do you use for tracking your stocks? I saw some people posting screenshots that have a fancy pie chart and I want that too

>>25546424
lost 10% on it in December, decided to take the L, would have made 400% today

>>25543234
Develop a strategy and stick to it. If you can't stop FOMOing, set a stop loss and stick to 1-2% max risk of your capital.

does this shit ever work? or is it just hindsight trickery?

>>25546845
>tracking stocks
>tracking linear progression on a pie chart
wow dumber than wsb. you probably think NIO sales numbers are legit too.

>>25543446
It's good a for a short squeeze.

>>25546870
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy because everyone else believes it and acts on it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-05/nyse-says-no-longer-plans-to-delist-china-telco-giants
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN29A02Q
US BITCHED THE FUCK OUT
China is officially in charge now

what's with all the oil & gas shills in this thread?
did TSLA shorts burn up again?

>>25546400
Biden is in charge, the USPS contract is a government contract and Biden is pro renewable energy with his 50 billion package to renewable energy companies including EV companies. WKHS is the only company which is all electric for the contract and is already delivering trucks to customers.

ctrl f UUUU nothing found. was it all just a dream

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>>25547066

>>25547066

>>25547066

>>25547066

>>25547066

>Spain doing a fuckton of local lockdowns to avoid announcing a full country lockdown yet
>Spain doing a fuckton of local lockdowns to avoid announcing a full country lockdown yet
>Spain doing a fuckton of local lockdowns to avoid announcing a full country lockdown yet
>Spain doing a fuckton of local lockdowns to avoid announcing a full country lockdown yet

>>25546891
Believing CCP lies and misusing charts have nothing to do with each other

>>25546870
Ah, meme-lines, the horoscope of /biz/

>>25546919
you might have a point though. So it's like WH40K Orks? IF all of them believe red makes things fast, red things really do become fast?

>>25547021
Two of the other contenders are plug-in hybrids.

>>25546997
>Not allowed to discuss stocks I don't like
Shut up faggot

>>25547080
We don't give a fuck anymore.

>>25546870
It's mostly a meme.
The traders in Jack Schwager's Unknown market wizards all describe the same thing, that it used to work in the past but nowadays hardly at all.

>>25544590
Bayer and BIC wouldn't be awful picks as value traps go.