/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>25495617
he is gay

Just save text messages of you asking for him to pay. It is a contract but he broke it by not giving you money

>>25495617
Tell him to fuck off. The police won’t bother with this shit. He wanted you to take all the risk so he could have easy profit. He used you, but you can ensure that you come out on top by not giving him a thing.

How will he explain this to the police?

>>25495617
Let him call 911 so they'll laugh at him

Tell him if he sucks your cock he will be handsomely rewarded with a few sats

>>25495673
>He wanted you to take all the risk so he could have easy profit. He used you, but you can ensure that you come out on top by not giving him a thing.
This.
I'd fucking murder your brother if he was mine.

>>25495617
lol what a child

>>25495617
your brother is unironically right here. Your own fault for choosing to lend him 1000$.

>>25495617
what a fking joke, so he basically put all the risk on you and now that btc turned out to be a great investment he turns around and asks for his money? Tell him to fuck off, and the police won't do shit in cases like this btw not like there was any written contract it's just his word against yours

>He texted back saying if I don't sell he will go to the police.
Cut ties.You no longer have a brother. In my family if someone threatens to call the cops they get beat and if they do then they are banished. Even my liberal Dad goes full Hatfield and McCoy on this shit.

>>25495617
lol let him go to the police. then show the texts where he admits he didnt pay you

>>25495729
this is what concerns me. He says it was a loan.

compromise

>>25495617
give him 25%

>>25495758
Even if the police told OP to hand over the crypto, they can’t do a thing. It’s a civil matter and not criminal.

>>25495617
its time to go off the grid. cut ties with everyone, get a new phone, and move somewhere distant.
envy is one hell of an emotion, especially during trying times like now

>>25495617
You and your brother are both retarded. You made a contract. He broke it. End of story.

>>25495764
I’m assuming that you aren’t baiting, OP. Your brother has no leverage here. If you don’t listen to him, he can’t do a damn thing.

>>25495794
>cut a family member for mere 10k
t. faggot autist

>>25495617
Don’t give him shit, period. He has no legal grounds. He can just fuck right off. He literally has nothing invested in this and you did the work.

>>25495617
kek your brother is a retard.

>Police man! me and my brother bought bitcoin except it bought it all with his money and now that bitcoin is up I want him to sell have of the bitcoin he bought and give it to me and keep the $1000 I was supposed to give him 3 years ago.

Just ignore him, your brother is a stupid faggot.

>>25495764
just give him $1000, end of story. it's literally easier that way and saves you a lot of hassle, it should shut him up and you don't have to deal with it.

>>25495763
This

No money was transacted. Not your problem. Give him nothing. Would he give you $1000 dollars if it went to 0?

Just tell him it's KYC and on your taxes so you legally can't.

>>25495853
lol he would sound like a rambling lunatic

>>25495857
Wouldn't this be an admission of a contract? Why shouldn't I just ignore him now?

>>25495617
Lmao there’s nothing he can do. Keep your Bitcoin, your brother is a cunt.

>>25495617
give it to him in xrp

>>25495857
what do you mean sucka. he deserves nothing. he should pay op for the audacity

dude. all brotherly love aside - this guy is an idiot...

if i was him i would say sorry to you and ask like a man if you could help me invest myself because i missed that opportunity.

but he doesn't care about you, he just cares about the money. fuck this guy. as hard as it sounds man. fuck this guy.

>>25495617
I don't want to make you feel worse, but holy fuck what kind of gypsy trash family is this? Your brother has a criminal sociopathic mind wrapped in less than 90 IQ. Are you inbred?

>>25495617
Nice larp

>>25495617
>what do I do?
Ask him to record his conversation with the police for you.

>>25495764
Might be but its not a criminal matter. He'll have to start proceeding against you in the civil courts. You'd have a solid case but it would be expensive. Better to simply pay him, and retain your relationship with him, unless you think he's broke and couldn't afford to take you to court anyway.

>>25495907
No you absolute spastic. At best you had the offer to sell him a sum of Bitcoin for $1000. I can't go back to a shop and say that something was half price yesterday so they should sell it to me for the same price today.

If he didn't pay you then. It's yours now. Very simple.

Your brother is scum. SCUM!

>>25495617
Tell him you sold his half for link at $20

>>25495617
And this is why you don't talk to your family about crypto.

>>25495764
then charge him extra fees(amout of bitcoin equivalent that you have right now because loan was in btc) for not paying in time and tell to fuck off.

cash out now
ask him to give you 1k
give him what 1k would be worth once you get it.

>>25495829
people would kill for that. imagine how he'd feel when Bitcoin goes even higher. his brother will kill him

>>25495907
you think in legal terms. if you do so then go ahead, ignore him. he can't do shit. if you think about the next family gathering (should you want to go), think of the discussion about this. there, you can say that even though you didn't needed to and he never gave you the money, you gave him 1k and he should be grateful for that. everybody will side with you if they are not complete retards.

>>25496028
Wait, your family is also an inbred gypsy family? Where do you all live?

>>25495995
This would be in a small claims court. Much cheaper, lawyers may not even be required.

Imagine having such a scumbag brother.

>>25495617
>op copies an old thread but replaces friend with brother
>still gets the whole board mad
Is this just a newfag test?

>>25495617
Lesson learned, don't do business with people you aren't willing to do unspeakable things to, such as family.

Sell it all now before it dumps and then move far far away

>>25495617
fratracide.

>>25495764
>he didn't give you the initial investment
therefore he had no stake in it, that was all your capital
>he didn't sign a contract
retard thinks hes going to the cops, they can't do shit only lawyers can do anything and hes got nothing oh i am laughin hahahha

>>25495617
>Oh thank god you got in touch about it, I sold at a loss when it crashed. You owe me $435 dollars.

>>25495617
You have to be 18 to post here.

police won't do shit about It and neither would a court of law without written contract. this is between you and your bro. if you feel that he isn't entitled to the btc because he reneged on a verbal agreement, then you are entitled to hold that position. but be aware of the ramifications this will have on your relationship. this is why family/friends should not do business.

>>25496245
Thanks. This situation has made me realize how little my brother cares for me and so I'm okay with cutting him off.

>>25495806
/thread

The agreement was he gives you $1000 and you invest it for him. He failed to fulfill his end therefore the agreement is void.

It’s copypasta you faggots

>>25495617
Wait for it to crash to 3k then give him his half

>>25495857
Why give him $1000 if he NEVER put any risk on the line? All the bitcoin is OP's. His brother doesn't deserve a cent. He never put anything on the line and now he wants all the reward?

>>25495617
Dude, just pay your brother. Its not worth losing family over tbqfh

>>25496278
The OG thread was a lot better

>>25495617
tell him the wallet with his $1000 BTC got hacked and that he still owes you $1000 for that failed investment.

>>25495617
why is he trying to get you to sell now? is he in trouble?
also tell him to go fuck himself

Based on your brother's logic, i could go to any financial institution, say
>i wana invest $1000. i will be back in 3 years to collect. but im not paying. the fact that i wana invest $1000 is enough to be legally binding that we are now partners in this.
and suddenly i am legally entitled to collect any profits above that $1000.
tell that faggot to fuck off and DEMAND that he calls the police.

>>25495673
this right here. Tell him this, and tell him you didn't like it he took advantage of you this way. Also tell him that although you think he doesn't deserve it, give him 1000 dollars as a symbolic and good gesture.

>>25495617
you had a verbal contract, which he broke. if one party breaks the contract, contract becomes invalid. your brother has no claim and will certainly lose in court.

also this is a civil matter, the police will not do anything if called.

>>25496409
Now this is fuckin based

>>25495617
would he pay you if you lost? exactly

>>25495617
He has no case, fuck him

>>25495617
If you give a shit about the relationship tell him you'll do it but he has to give you the 1000 first and explain he let you take full risk etc, let him pawn some stuff or whatever so he knows the feeling of having collateral on the line

If you don't give a shit he's got nothing

It's important to consider that if BTC goes up in the future to the fabled 100,000 or something he might come at you with some more BS even if you give him his half

>>25495617
What the fuck is the police supposed to do in a case like this, lol? Tell him to fuck off with his greedy ass or lawyer up.

Your brother sounds like a piece of shit. You owe him nothing.

>>25495617
I refuse to believe any such post can be real.

>>25496448
cuck

>>25496448
>t. his brother

>>25495617
That BTC is yours, he can suck a dick. If you're thinking of giving him the current half ask the market price for it. Also he can't do shit, there's no binding contract and it's your money.

>>25496351
He is just gonna complain that Anon is holding out on "his half" later and demand more. His brother is trying to extort the money based on family bonds. Family respect each other not try and steal from each other

>muh go to the police
lmao they can't do SHIT

this is the beauty of bitcoin, you can hide that shit forever, even if you get a divorce if you put everything in bitcoin the kikes can't take it

brother is a faggot, disown him

>>25495617
1st Your brother is a greedy normie, who deserves the rope. I'm sorry anon, but that's the truth
2nd Police won't even bother

>>25496827
Man that shit is the shit of nightmares

>>25495617
Unironically stab the piece of shit.

>>25495617
>What do I do /biz?
Tell him to go fuck himself

>>25495617

This was posted like a month ago word for word but with friend instead of brother.

>>25496935
>>25496827
what's even the case here? OP only spent his money and the normie bro did not help him one bit

this is typical normoid psychopathic logic from the brother that deserves a bullet to the head, always wanting to leach from the guys that make it

>>25496272

Tell us more about your brother.

Tell him to give Bitcoin's CEO a call to see what he can do about his wallet.

>>25495617
Take him to Kleros court

>>25497160
do I need to say more, this sums him up perfectly

>>25495617
>go to the police
Unless he got those Soundwaves notarized wtf is he gonna do

>>25495617
>go to the police
the police officers face when

>>25496409
do this OP or you are a complete cuck.

>>25495760
its all fun and games until you realize that the only people you thought that loved you are actually scummy greedy bottomfeeders

Nobody remembers. Bullish >>25495617

>all these streetshitters not recognizing pasta

>>25495764
but it wasn't anon, your brother is a retard.

I could pretend you gave me a loan of $500 for a quarter of your bitcoin and go and tell the police that you now owe me $10,000.

>>25495907
lawyer here, yes, do not give him anything

>>25495764
1: No contract, no proof.
2: Even if there was a verbal contract that could be proved, he didn't pay it off.
3: Go full jew and sue him for the $1000 he owes you, plus the profits you would have made in BTC.

They are on your account. There is no record or proof of agreement that money changed hands. You are under no obligation to make any sale.

You are the owner of the keys. Your verbal agreement was voided when your brother refused to pay.

>>25495995
>Better to simply pay him, and retain your relationship with him,
laughing anime girls.jpg

>>25495617
This copypasta kek

>>25495617
Does he have proof of giving you a 1000 bucks? If not he can't do shit.

>>25495617
tell him you lost all the btc so no need for him to ever pay

>>25495617

My mom's a nurse and she thinks I should pay for her to retire so she won't "die from covid"

>>25495617
Send him a pic of your cock

Your brother is a faggot and you should kick his ass

>>25495617
your brother is a cuck and a fag. don't give him a penny

>>25495617
Omg, this thread was the sell signal.

>>25495617
Bitcoin is going to crash to 9K in about 2 weeks. Hold for now and tell him to pay you the 1k after it crashes. Then you can have you 50/50 portfolio.

Fuck him in his ass to show dominance

>>25495617
Tell him to fuck off, I would cut contact with him for this stunt.

>>25495617
OP is lying. This thread has been made multiple times. One guy had text messages of the same exact story(same totals but it was LINK instead at nearly $20) with his "friend". That one might have been real but this one is a rehash

assert dominance or cut off contact

>americans

>>25495764
it's yours. you paid for it. there is nothing at all that links this beyond verbal ramblings which aren't tangible. don't give him anything

-or-

say you cashed out for a loss ages ago and give him 400 bucks

Who the fuck calls the police on their on blood.

I would rather rape my brother over such matter than involve the law enforcement.

>>25495617
tell him he owes you .5 bitcoin not 1000 dollars

>>25495617
The police will do nothing, fuck him.

>>25496432
This is different because he spent 2000 when, at least the brother might think, he would have only spent 1000 otherwise and so would have only half the profits. This is bunk because the brother never exposed himself to risk and could have abused this interaction if he thought ahead. It is bunk regardless, though, because the brother was the one who suggested the exact number and the plan, so he can't possibly know what op would have spent on his own. Don't give him anything op.

>>25495764
What loan? From you to him? You're grasping at straws. Fuck him, he is a greedy sociopath.

>>25495617
I would send your brother a picture of your nuts

>>25495857
Don't do this.

>>25495617
Just say; "sorry, I thought you weren't interested, I never bought your half. You think I can just spare 1k?"

>>25495617
dude there is no such thing as verbal contracts. not in reality anyways. tell him to fuck off.

>>25499820
Giving 1k is you accepting you owe him something.

>MOOOOOM, BIG BRO STOLE MY BUTTCOINS

don't give him shit anon

>>25495617
Tell him to eat shit he never paid you for the initial investment

look through your past texts and see if there's anything that makes you liable (it's unlikely but worth doing). if you find anything you're worried about post it here. if you dont find anything offer to sell him 1000 dollars worth of bitcoin at current price, cash up front just to make him seethe

>>25496448
why doesnt he suck his cock too?

At most, when he gives you the 1k is when you give him the amount of bitcoin that is worth exactly 1k at that specific time. All this shit is lame. Tell him to fuck off and buy bitcoin on his own

>>25495617
Tell him to give him 1000 now and you'll invest it for him

>>25495907
That would be admission of a contract, just ignore him he'll finally forget, if he's so greedy and entitled he does not deserve your money. You offered to make him rich and he refused.

Wait wait wait... Just say you bought BCH or one of the other bastardisations and insist he still owes you.

> BUT BRO, THEY TOLD ME IT WAS THE REAL BITCORN

Smash half a btc on the table and make him "disappear" in minecraft :-^)

>>25495764
Did he give you any money? No? Then what's the fucking loan? It was all your money.

>>25496448
Faggot

>>25495829
People have killed for less than that. OP's brother is clearly a greedy faggot. He actually thinks he owns any of the BTC. When OP's investment goes to millions, his faggot brother will come back. Cut ties now or live in pain OP

>>25499881
That's my.point. there's nothing owed here.

Also: next time "you lost all your bitcoins 2 years ago or lost your wallet mnemotic".

NEVER talk about YOUR money in society. Lie to him next time, you owe this kike nothing and he isn't your bro if he behaves like that.

Buy $FIRE protocol or stay poor

DYOR obviously

Am I the only one that secretly fantasizes about situations like this so that I can have the opportunity to tell the other person to fuck himself and laugh maniacally?
I also fantasize about quitting my job and telling my bosses to get fucked, or about girls that treated me bad coming to me grovelling and I tell them to get fucked.

Regarding my job I will quit in 3 months, but with girls, I already had an opportunity to do this but I just ghosted the girl instead.

>>25500091
It's actually a good way to weed out people.

Why the fuck do people tolerate toxic and narcissistic family members
A year ago I decided to stop speaking to my parents. They always contact me and ask what's wrong but I don't say anything. Enough is enough, if you don't like them you have no obligation to speak with them.

>>25500131
You will never be happy if this is your mindset.
You don't need to tell them. Just exceed and do better than them.
If you need to tell them, they still have control over you and you'll never truly make it.

>>25500131
The boss and girl fantasy are beta.

>>25500187
I never actually acted these fantasies, for some reason I just tend to act "mature" in the actual situations (I mentioned with my past "gf" already). But I still feel a huge desire for revenge opportunities.

>>25500219
I'm not asking if it's "chad", I'm asking if anyone else shares these sentiments.

Hey didn't pay up when they where bough they aren't his to cash out tell him to fuck off

>Loaning money to family
Literally not even once ever

you give him 1000 dollars of today's value in bitcoin, dummy

>>25495617
Honestly this feels like bait... op you invested in bit cooin so you must posses some reasoning skills. If that is true, then you are either memeing or profoundly autistic. You could be larping entirely.. regardless, your brother didn’t buy bitcoin, is in no way responsible for you buying it, and has no claim whatsoever to the initial capital or the resultant Bitcoin. Surely you must understand this. At best you offered him some BTC as someone offered you at one point, but he just never bought any. It be like if I said “for awhile there I almost bought BTC when the smart people bought it, and because I almost made a shit load of money, I should get given a shit load now.” This is insane and I can’t believe you are asking about it.

>>25495617
Send him some of these
https://etherscan.io/token/0xe5868468cb6dd5d6d7056bd93f084816c6ef075f

>>25495617
just ignore him
you could have told him to sell his own bitcoin for the lollygagging in the first message but now it's too late
just ignore him
when he will bring other family member into this, just say he's trying to steal from you

>>25495617
Fucking lol.
Tell him he's being a scumbag.
Also no contract, no worries my dude.

>>25495617
Your brother will have no grounding in court to do anything.

The statue of frauds dictates that any contract surpassing 1 year in length must be written and signed in paper. On top of that, even if there was a contract, he didn't meet his obligations.

Tell him to piss off

>>25495617
your brother is a fag and doesn't deserve anything, let him read this thread

>>25495617
Sell them all Bitcoin is lame
Put it all in xrp

tell him you bought ripple with his half

>>25495617
>He texted back saying if I don't sell he will go to the police
The police will do absolutely nothing about this. If you hadn't known this already and your brother has never revealed his hand, he's a huge piece of shit who doesn't respect or care about you at all. Cut him out of your life and keep your money.

>>25500152
Yeah, people no matter how kind can get very weird and nasty when it comes to money, i've experienced it myself. Keep your circle tight, don't flex, say you received a heritage when you buy something. People will be envy and since you got buttcorns they think they can get some from you since you got "so much" and "remember everything they did for you".

This might sound skanky but it's the only way to avoid getting into even skankier shit by default: False friends, gold diggers, thieves, sharks waiting to benefit from you and straight up evil, envy bitches with a severe case of bucketcrab mentality await most rich people.

>>25495617
show him your portfolio and a dick pick

1. NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE. GET A LAWYER ANY TIME POLICE COME IN CONTACT WITH YOU. SERIOUSLY, NOT A WORD UNTIL YOU'VE WATCHED THIS VIDEO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
2. If your brother is such a faggot he would call the police on family when he knows they occasionally kill people they interact with, you should get a restraining order against him. I'd do it immediately and bar contact and coming within a certain distance.
3. That's not how contracts work at all, he has literally no case since he never paid you the money. You could just ignore him, but since he threatened you with the force of the state I'd say getting a restraining order is a minimum and possibly you should talk to a lawyer just in case. He might lie and say you're money laundering or trafficking drugs to fuck with you and having a lawyer on retainer makes a huge difference.

>>25500941
>they occasionally kill people they interact with
Bernie is never going to give you the money back.

>>25495857
cuck gtfo

>>25501039
It's an undeniable fact that every now and then the police use lethal force when called to situations that don't require it. Any time the force of the state is invoked it brings with it the risk of death for anyone involved. If there's not a significant risk to life or property, the police should never be called or even threatened to be called: it's no different than pointing a gun at someone's head even if you swear up and down it's unloaded. OP needs to get a restraining order for two reasons: one, it stops his brother from contacting him; two, when his brother calls the police and they pull your record and see you have a restraining order against him, they won't show up at your house. That's huge.

Thanks everyone. I suffer from autism and I feel a lot better about standing up for my BTC now.

The words "friend" and "family" don't have power unto themselves, people pick and choose where they WANT to be in YOUR life by their own actions.

When it comes to court cases, the person with more cash usually wins and even then, in suing someone there is no winning, only degrees of losing. If one seeks revenge against another he should dig two graves.

If he does indeed sue you, he has made a choice about where he wants to be in your life.

This is a learning opportunity for you. Never hire friends or family, the same goes for business and investing opportunities.

You're all newfags

>>25500941
>If your brother is such a faggot he would call the police on family when he knows they occasionally kill people they interact with

some people are dangerous enough that they need to be on the system's radar, so to speak. And you don't want to be the person who did nothing if they go out and successfully hurt someone or do something dramatic. But apparently that recent bomber was on their radar and they dropped the ball so, fuck it.

If you've ever considered how to make an exit bag, you can understand how someone in a completely different mental state and personality than yours could look up something much more dangerous

>>25495617
>I asked him multiple times for the money over a period of about 3 months until I gave up
...he owed you $1000 and you just forgot about it?
that's odd, how was this not a constant annoyance in the back of your mind?

Sounds like you gave him a loan to gamble with, and facilitated the gamble. Would you have collected the money if Bitcoin went to 0?

You're a bookie

>>25496138
Kek

>>25501367
Jealous of your brother's success and feeling like extorting him using the force of the state is NOT a justification for calling the police, dipshit. Your post is incoherent and stupid. Watch the video I linked.

>>25495617
Yummy pasta

>>25501196
>Any time the force of the state is invoked it brings with it the risk of death for anyone involved
No, the existence of statistical outliers doesn't mean any time I pass someone a glass of water I'm exposing them to the risk of death by asphyxiation you absolute mongoloid.

>>25501407
I read your post before I read the OP, so you have a point

Judge judy his ass

>>25495617
MOOOM I POSTED IT AGAIN :DDD

>>25495764
Your brother is neither legally nor morally in the right here.
Fuck off

>>25501367
Not a bookie, at most a loan or business venture.

>>25495617
kek just say you got hacked and lost it all

>>25495617
He has absolutely no leverage, it’s your Bitcoin.

Don’t fucking sell it just because your brother’s a jackass. I tried to get my brother into crypto in 2016 and he overdosed on heroin instead.

>>25495907
Tell him he missed out on the $1000 value by not paying, and now it's $x (whatever the increased value is). Did you establish interest rates on this loan?

>>25495790
Some places can enfore civil matters, but he'd have to get a judge involved and a court order. No judgewould take the brother's side in this.

I have seen this thread before

>>25495617
Lol, what are you 12 years old? You don't owe him anything. Let him him go to the cops. They will laugh at him. He gets a
Lawyer it will be even more hilarious because nothing in writing and a proof being your brother owes you $1000 plus interest.

>>25495794
kek were in the endgame now

>>25495617
Tell him to go to the police they're not going to do shit he's a wack ass pussy and he deserves to be a little bitch

Find out what the LINK guy with the exact same story did.

>>25495764
You can say anything it doesn't make it true. He's a liar. Don't be this week in pathetic every penny needs to be invested in blow and hookers

>>25495617
>he will go to the police
Your brother is a sociopath. If you don't immediately cut all ties, he will ruin your life.

>>25495907
if you give him $1000 he will use it as a proof of a binding contract in court
don't give him anything

>>25501716
Ikr, all newfags en r*dditors exposing themselves really makes you wonder about ever following any advice on this board.

This is why I don't speak about crypto.

>>25501435
False equivalence, water is necessary to drink and something we commonly interact with. Police are NOT necessary unless there's an imminent threat to life or property and most people DON'T interact with police regularly and DO NOT understand how to take steps to reduce the risk of interacting with police. You're thinking emotionally, stop it.

>>25495617
I have seen this exact same post before at least 1 times, replaced with friend not brother.

Unironically a pasta and you're all newfags

One more thing: if your brother is such a douche bag, he could even try to break into your house and either connect to your accounts or search for your seed phrases. Be careful about that, and remember that Google Chrome stores all your keywords and they can be accessed any time one you're logged in Windows.

>>25502051
not pasta I swear. I need advice /biz

>>25495764
How large amount of BTC are we talking?

>>25495617
You don't owe him shit.

If it had crashed to zero you would have never seen this 1000 dollars. Tell him to go fuck himself

>>25502099
share the texts
also nice dubs

>>25502099
The obvious answer is to deny deny deny even facilitating any type of loan and having no logs of it anywhere and ifwhen cops get involved tell them to fuck off.

>>25495617
The smartest thing to do here is to Tell him in a logical calm manner that you had all the risk by him never paying you therefore it’s yours.

Then when you cash out give him a good amount.

If all he sees are $$$ signs he’s not really someone that cares about you as a person.

Try to reason with him and say he Will get some cash when you cash out. But saying i owe you half is not right because You never payed and i had all the risk on me.

Then he’ll probably lie and say he forgot. At that point Tell him You know he’s lying and if he wants some cash when you cash out he better be honest and respectfull.

How much you give him is up to you. He never payed so the police can’t do anything.

>>25502219
This is exactly the type of idiot who gets wrecked in court because he "tried to do the right thing". Don't listen to him.

>>25495617
Please goad into going to the police so that he totally humiliates himself.

>hello police??? My brother owes me bitcoin!!!!

>>25495907
Just ignore him, he ignored you this whole time

>>25495617
Your brother is a gigantic faggot and he's on his own

>>25501039
>t. retard

This isn't a black lives matter thing, The people literally kill people for no reason, this includes white people.

>>25501446
Oh yeah
go to small claims court, on TV if you want. I hear the TV show pays out the value of the settlement from the network's budget, and I'm sure they'd love to have a meme crypto case while BTC is soaring

>>25501492
>Lend me $1000 of money I don't have, and invest it for me on a highly volatile and untested asset class
Sounds like a gamble
sounds like a bookie

what would the other party have done if bitcoin went to 0?

>>25495764
sounds like it was a loan, and you're charging a fuckton of interest if you don't give him some of the profits

You would've asked for the $1000 back, and ridiculed him for suggesting you gamble on bitcoin, right?

>>25495617
>He texted back saying if I don't sell he will go to the police.
lol is your brother 12?

>>25502266
Retard he didn’t pay there’s nothing they can do.

>>25502275
Lmao

>>25495617
wouldve been less messy if you just told him after he refused to pay you the third time that you are keeping the BTC for yourself and if he wants to buy an additional 1000$ at market price then he should pay up.

>>25502440
fuck that's really good, this is pretty much dead on
it's sketchy that you just let it go because the gamble was going well

>>25502414
Anon, that's a threat of force against OP. It's not a joke and it's not funny. OP needs to get a restraining order.

>>25502404
It's not a loan, it was an opportunity to do a joint investment and the brother never contributed. No court in the world would uphold that without a written contract backing it up, and even then it'd be a tough sell to an arbitrator, let alone a judge and jury.

>>25502491
yeah man, OP shouldve imposed some sort of deadline like "hey man if you dont pay up in 90s days then i gotta keep your share".

>getting advice off 4chan and destroying a relationship over bitcoin
just give him the half. it's honestly not worth it

>>25502491
OP was the one with the money, he shouldve made conditions as the guy facilitating the loan. otherwise brother should get fucked, if BTC crashed and burned would he still repay OP the 1000$?

If I were you I wouldve kept it all verbal and denied there was ever an agreement in the first place. You may be in the right but you may also be fucked. He'll be able to find a scum lawyer that will tie up your shit and force you to have to get a lawyer.

>>25497461
i feel for u, anon.

>>25495617
No contract, nothing. Frankly you could as well just say you didnt go through with it and didnt ever buy BTC because he didnt pay at the time so you moved on without buying any.

>>25502275
LMFAO

>>25502581
Watch the Bahubali movies, and don't do what this anon says
On a karmic note, give your brother $1000 to fuck off and tell him it's for the $1000 he never paid you, but ONLY when legal action has taken place on either side and a lawyer/attorney/etc. confirms that you legally don't owe him shit, not before

>>25496057
Kek, this. My family is super close and we all actually love each other. Guess being white has it’s advantages because they all listened to me and bought chainlink at 30 cents because they trust their brother. Even if it tanked they would have only given me a little shit as a joke.
>t. Investment banker family

>>25495617
You mean the BTC you lost in that unfortunate boating accident?

>>25502688
>>25502586
>scum lawyer with the money

His brother broke any possible contract when he literally never paid OP.

>>25502581
His brother is a huge faggot, but on the other had 2000 dollars would be like 2 BTC assuming he bought when it was like a thousand dollars.

I'm not sure this is a substantial enough amount to murder his brother over.

On the other hand you type like a faggot so fuck you.

>>25495633
/thread

>>25495617
tell him you traded it for XRP

>>25495617
You can't spell brother without bother.
File a court order of protection from him and then have him beaten into a new physical state.

>>25495853
>no see I was supposed to give him 1000 dollars but didn't but half of it is still, clearly, mine

>>25495633
You misspelled OP

>>25501488
checked

>>25495907
Yes don’t give him shit

>>25497835
this, case closed. now if the brother was smart he shouldve borrowed 1000$ from OP and just bought the shit himself in the first place.

>>25495617
shoulda told him he needs to match at 2k
he can go pound sand btw no judge would rule you give up more then half of your btc on a defaulted 4 yr unpaid loan.

>>25495617
holy shit the amount of newfags.

NEW FAGS GO BACK FROM WHERE YOU CAME

In case you haven't realized... this thread is a sell signal. Half of /biz is newfags from not even a month ago.

>>25495617
Tell him you'll treat him as he treated you.
Tell him you now owe him 14k and let him wait 4 years.
In 4 years you either give him his part of the BTC or the 14k whichever is worth least.

>>25503789
kek. Thanks for this.

>>25495617
>p-po-police my brother won't give me my internet m-m-money do something

>>25500164
Bout to do the same but I feel like I’m the one being a dick and breaking the family up. Even though I can’t stand them

>>25495617

This is what you say .

You asked for a $1000 and upon receipt, you would have transferred him the BTC so that he can put it in any wallet he wished. He refused to pay you therefore you kept the BTC in your own private wallet. There was no payment therefore there was no transaction.

>>25500273
Yea. Getting fired from grocery store as kid and knocking everything off shelves was fantasy

>>25495617
>What do I do /biz? I don't want to sell and I feel like they are mine and not his.
there is no contract so you're under no legal obligation to give them to him.don't worry about the police fud.

>>25495673
only correct answer

>>25502266
This , you’re admitting you owe him if you do this. Give nothing , they are not his , that’s like you asking for a Chunk of his next pay check

>>25495617
You’re brother is a faggot - tell him to kms

your brother is a useless retard anon
give him a slap around the chops when you see him next and tell him to have fun staying poor

>>25495617
Tell him to fuck off. If you live together, make sure to keep your private keys secure.

It's a shame things like this happen, especially between blood. But it's also why it's best to just go into crypto alone and tell as few people about it as possible.
The only person who knows I own crypto is my brother, who I trust 100% with my life. I bought most of my stuff right after the march crash, and I told my brother to do the same. He didn't buy as much as me, mainly because he was about to buy a house and needed to hold on to his money for the down payment and mortgage approval and whatnot, but he's still happy that I showed him, and he's still making good gains with what he put in.

Tasty pasta

>>25495617
did you accept the deal initially?

>>25495764
OP thanks for the 5,000 loan, but give me my 25 BTc and keep the 5,000 as payment

See how retarded it sounds without a contract?

>>25495829
>his brother started this
would have never needed to have this conversation if his faggot brother didnt sperg out

Hey bro even though I left you with all the risk and backed out of the deal, do the right thing and give me half of my money.

let him get laughed out of the police station

>>25495764
Tell him the juice was running at 30% a week for the past 3 years.

There is nothing he can do; however, he may try to kill you. Perhaps you can give him a fraction of what his $1,000 that he never gave you to appease him.
SIKE, THAT'S YOUR MONEY NIGGA FUCK THAT NIGGA

>>25495617
It's too late op, the tax records are already in your name. Tell him to fuck off.

this whole thread is some sort of psychology analysis, no way this is real

>>25495617
What are you datamining? This is the same exact shitty story about link a few months back.

>>25506284
it keeps going and I already said it was fake. /biz has been invaded by newfags and redditors.

>>25495617
Legally speaking, under the laws in pretty much all of the U.S., he never fulfilled his part of the contract, therefore he gets nothing.

Depending on your state, he might be able to go to Small Claims Court and present a case on his own. "Early 2017" suggests the amount is around 2BTC total, 1/2 of which he is pretending is his, which over the Small Claims limit in most states, but maybe not yours. You'd have to ask around or at least post the state and see if anyone knows.

Generally, from a life hassles standpoint, it comes down to whether he can afford an attorney, whether he wants to waste the money on an attorney, and how much trouble he can cause you over the situation, not just in court but also with the rest of your family, especially if your parents or other relatives are assholes who take his side.

>>25495617
I’m a lawyer and I can say with confidence that your brother has no case. If he bothers to sue you, get a lawyer. The lawyer will move to dismiss for failure to state a claim and any judge with a brain will dismiss. And then you can seek attorney fees from your brother, which the judge will also grant. For now, just tell your brother to fuck off.

>>25506325
didn't look up your earlier posts.
so what exactly about this is giving a sell signal, that people aren't willing to give up the half?

>>25495617
tell him to call the police as they will tell him the same, he didn't pay there not his. Even if he did give you money before then guess what? not your keys not your crypto

>>25495617
>>25506418
BTW, I would document all of it, ESPECIALLY keep that text message that proves that he never paid you. Take screenshots, DON'T delete it, don't block him, let him hang himself on his own words.

>>25495617
Op if it’s a real story keep us posted if police get involved sounds lulzy

I was the idiot brother once too. I taught my brother how to invest, every stock to buy, when to buy, he double his money, made 40k, then I demanded half because I got him the money basically is what I thought. I got pretty bitchy and mad when he refused but got over it and asked forgiveness and then moved on.

Hopefully your brother will do the same thing.

>>25495764
The problem is you guys didn't agree on the time limit for the loan. Since a time limit wasn't concretely defined, we'll have to default to what most people would generally agree would be an acceptable time limit.

What most people would agree in this scenario, I'd say is on the order of a couple of months, and certainly not three years (2020). Now that we have a defined time limit, we can say that your brother failed to pay the loan on time, therefore the bank (you) gets to keep the collateral, therefore you get the BTC.

The key point is to define the time limit as something most people would generally agree upon. The lesson is you should concretely define time limits for stuff like this in the future.

>>25496448
nigger

>>25495617
Also, literally show him this thread, get him to agree that the information and question posed in the OP is acceptable, then show him how most people are in support of you.

It's good to bring an unbiased third party into something like this

>>25496245
>he reneged on a verbal agreement,
Verbal contracts can be just as binding as written ones. The issue here is that his brother never fulfilled his side of the contract.

>>25501492
>at most a loan or business venture.
DON'T put it that way. If you start making up possible ways for him to weasel around it, then a court is much more likely to find in his favor, all because you vacillated and made excuses for him.

You offered him a contract (give me $1000 to buy Bitcoin), he failed to fulfill his contractual obligations (paying you $1000), he is in breach (he never paid you the $1000), therefore he gets nothing.

>>25506418
>>25506494
>>25506325
Well fuck you then. People actually pull shit exactly like what you described. I should bill you for my legal consultation just to teach you a lesson.

Signed, Anon, J.D.

>>25506539
there was no loan retard

Family relationships are important but he sounds like a major faggot, just tell him to fuck off

>>25506788
It's an implicitly agreed upon loan, since he paid for it and then asked him for the money

>>25495617
fuck him

This is old pasta you newfag cunts. Stop shitting up my board with your retarded replies too. Fuck all of you

>>25495907
Yes, do not give him a goddamn single penny and go quiet for a while

>>25495617
rape him

>>25506750
At least you are educating some of the new /biz members

>>25495617
Technically speaking he never bought in. He failed his side of the deal, and it was your money that was put on the line. Therefore, the gains are yours. All he can do is cry about it. If he stops talking to you because of this, then he does so on his own free will. Be the bigger man OP and move on.

>>25495617
tell him to go to police

>>25495617
Should of told him you lost it, or some stole it

Transfer it to diff account and show him someone else did that, kek

>>25495617
no his keys, not his coins

>>25495617
He has no ground to stand on. Do you have a written agreement? No
So even if he paid you $1000 it will not matter. The BTC is yours

>>25495617
>He texted back saying if I don't sell he will go to the police
>"please officer, my brother stole $1000 of bitcoin from me that I never actually paid for, held in my own personal wallet or took on any risk whatsoever for!"
If you invested your own capital, and he never paid you the $1000, he doesn't have a leg to stand on. Simple as that.

>>25495617
Tell him he defaulted on the loan and owes you $1000+interest.

>>25500131
>beta mindset

>>25495876
Correct answer

>>25495857
Kek, trying to set up OP
That's like messaging a girl after raping her and apologizing thinking it will make the situation better

>>25496066
no, it would not be small claims court. $1k of bitcoin in early 2017 is worth $35k now. That's way beyond small claims territory. STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.

>>25495713

>>25495617
Your bro is a brilliant scammer.

>>25495617
Let him call. They aren't going to do shit, except maybe fine him for wasting their time.

>>25495764
you clearly havent interacted with police. Don't worry about what he says. there is no proof, there is no evidence. he never paid you, and if he somehow lies and says he did, show then your bank records. you're more than clear on this one

>>25496050
This is not a bad answer

>>25495662
This. People don't realize that the legal definition of a contract is extremely wide. It doesn't have to be drawn up by a notary. If you sign your name on a piece of cardboard that says "I will pay anon 1 btc in 2025 in exchange for blah blah blah," that can be enforced in a court of law.

>>25495617
If there's no physical contract or anything written, signed, executed, or endorsed, you have no legal duty to him and he would be hard pressed to find a lawyer willing to take his case.

And if there are text messages or something of those interactions, worst case scenario you would have to give him half of your btc at current market price.

Courts split assets by market value not by initial investment.

You have nothing to worry about. Contact a lawyer and don't speak or text your brother. Let your lawyer speak to him.

>>25495617
ITT: Armchair lawyers

OP tell your brother to pound sand. If he takes legal action go consult an attorney.

>>25495617
tell him you're giving him his $1000 worth of BTC at the price it's at when pays, lol

>>25495617 (OP)
tell him you're giving him his $1000 worth of BTC at the price it's at when he pays, lol

>>25495617
this pasta again, the nigger thinks he gets free options - just try to explain options to him and maybe he will give up

>>25495617
Hide your keys. There is nothing he can do. He's a scumbag piece of shit if true. Tell him you didn't really buy any bitcoin and it doesn't matter because he didn't give you the money. Also you can't invest for anyone else, so that would be illegal. He gets nothing

>>25495617
NICE PASTA

>>25510111
>>25510071
not a pasta, newfags

>>/biz/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=%22said+we+should+both+invest+in+it+and+split+the+cost%22

>>25495673
yep
tell him no pain no gain, the risk was all yours and so should be the reward

And if you lost the $2000 what would happen?

>>25502108
Probably around 40k total. Imagine ruining your relationship with your brother for 20k

>>25495995
This is retarded, what kind of relationship is that if the only thing keeping it together is a few thousand bucks. Might as well make him seethe.

>>25503789
i am newfag. how is this sell signal? educate me

>>25495617
Idk, I liked this story before when it was the friend with an iphone threatening OP to go to an attorney over Link.

>>25510420
He'd probably want "his" 1000 back.

>>25495673
>>25495617
This

>>25495617
Lol this is copy pasta. I remember the same story but for chainlink and it was a friend instead of a brother

OP, tell him you’ll give him his half. But also text him this: “You are dead to me and no longer do I have a brother, never speak to me again”

>>25503789

>>25495617
Fuck off with these reddit threads, why are all you replying to this retard