/biz/ - Business & Finance

5-10% of NW spent on cars. This number changes depending on how rich you are though.

So 4,000,000-8,000,000

$3-5M and a consistent passive income.

>>25467120
>>25467169
Damn, i'll have to wait until next cycle

>>25467169
^^^ this

>>25467070
I will buy it when a reach 1.5 million dollars just for the memes

>>25467120
For Aventador

>>25467169
For Hurracan

>>25467070
wtf those manual Gallardos are still sub 100k, good deal, get the manuals

>>25467070
Never enough. Terrible way to waste money.

a gorillion dollars because lambos are stupid as fuck and just makes you a target for niggers

>>25467280
+100k in repairs because it's an old piece of shit

>>25467070
literally never. will never own a sports car in my life even if i do make it. pointless

>>25467070
Once I have $2M I’m getting a Porsche GT3RS

People on about waste of money LMAO, just buy one used. My dad bought a used porch start of the year, blasted it around all summer, then sold it a year later a tiny bit more than what he bought it for

>>25467070
Even if I were 100m rich I wouldn't buy a fucking Lambo, I'm not a smoothbrain who needs an absurdly overpriced death trap to feel alive.

Cars like that are expensive and only depreciate in value over time so never.

Would still drive a piece of shit beater if I was a billionaire.

>>25467325
It’s not pointless. You’re just a sackless faggot.

>>25467070
never
id probably end up flying off a cliff at 250 mph or something stupid

>>25467386
That actually sounds like a good idea, buy it in the spring, sell it in the fall, drive around all summer.

>>25467070
I'd probably buy a mazda miata, desu.

I have no reason for a giant fucking car designed to look like an autistic Alienware computer that depreciates endlessly, looks ugly, and serves n purpose other than it can go up to 300 mph or something, which is illegal. Meanwhile a Miata literally looks like an anime girl.

even if I was the ceo of Volkswagen group I wouldn't own one of those shitmobiles

>>25467070
Lambos are for flamboyant niggers, so never.

>>25467070
never, because those cars are for tasteless new money faggots

might consider a used lexus ls if I make it

>>25467441
Not taking the miata pill.

>>25467070
>How much wealth before you unironically consider a lambo?
never
they are made for short italian manlets

>>25467070
i would literally never buy one of these. rent for a week, maybe. i promise you will get tired of it and it becomes more of a hassle than anything else.

lamborghini's are for the lowest class of people with money. like, rapper or nba tier. basically, black people. so why the fuck would i buy a literal hot wheels car when i can buy a half dozen classic cars off of bringatrailer and actually be cool

I want one so bad and can easily afford -- I just don't want to have to pay car insurance and to have to park it safely.

It's so fucking cute.

>>25467577
nice dubs gayboy

>>25467554
This I'd get an American muscle car before I got that plastic shit in OP

>>25467070
Honestly? Enough money to pay for your expenses passively
That could be as little as $1M if you're a frugal small town farmer happy to get by on $40k.

>>25467577
you want a barbie car?

>>25467597
No problem. It literally looks like the acid house logo. It's a ravemobile.

>>25467070
just buy a corvette lmao
they rook the same

>>25467120
this.
if its a boat then the maximum boat you can afford is 2.5% NW (ongoing cost, insurance, marina, fuel are a FUCKING bitch)

id rather have a plane or helicopter. cars are for plebs.

>>25467492

unironically, probably 1 billion dollars
similar thoughts as posters talking about lambos being nigger / low iq shit. at the same time, once you're worth a billion, a lambo is basically the price of a video game

>>25467714
even more retarded and more of a waste of money than lambos

>>25467765
and?

>>25467070
For me, I'd buy one between 10-20mil net worth. At that point I'm spending 1-2% of my entire net worth and the passive income I can generate will easily cover the depreciation of the car so I wouldn't be worried.

20 million. it's a waste a fucking money.

>>25467070
why would i want to pay for ugly garbage?

Lambos are cars for niggers.
I'd probably just buy something reliable like a high end toyota or a honda,
A tesla would be worth a go to.

60k.... that’s because I have a car dealers license

>>25467070
>owning a depreciating asset that can rarely be enjoyed on public roads instead of paying for track days where you can beat the shit out of someone else's car and actually drive the vehicle the way it was designed; because you want real world "likes"

>>25467677
>buying american cars

>>25467070
only stonk market whales end up getting lambos

>>25467070
Lambos blow clutches like you would not believe. The gallardo's just doesn't last long at all when you use regular driving mode and the aventador's will blow when you back up too hard or go up a slight incline for too long, for instance. Transmission work on any lambo is an engine out job and as such will cost a shit ton in labor in addition to the parts already. These usually cost about 10,000 to 20,000 depending on the model and these incidents happen regularly. All maintenance, insurance and other things together, a lambo costs 10,000 a year to keep.

To answer your question, you're ready for a lambo when the idea that you have to very suddenly spend 10,000 on a car of all things is not disturbing.

>>25467834
kek, enjoy your turkmobile

>not buying a batmobile

>not even considering the Audi R8
i always knew /biz/ had shit taste i dont know why i am surprised at this point

>>25467933
>audi r8

wouldn't want that guady shit, however once my NW hits 200k i'll probably drop 50k on some classic mopar. really want a '70 super bee

>>25467280
>buy old italian garbage
enjoy paying more than $100k to keep it running for next 5 years

>>25467893
And then this motherfucker blocks your path (yes, i know you can push a button to make car higher, but still)

>>25467070
faggots buy expensive cars so people will take pictures of them while they sit in traffic on their way to starbucks. if you’re not worth 100+ million and you own a car like a lambo, you’re a fucking faggot.
for me, it’s the suzuki samurai/jimmy

>>25467070
Doesn't matter, its a shit asset and a shit car to drive, I'd rather have a giga comfy mercedes S class than one of these shitboxes just because they can rev

>>25467964
>audi r8 2010 owner coming through

>>25467933
ugliest modern supercar

>>25467070

$1,000,000

annual

PASSIVE

INCOME

Seriously. Then, and only then, is it not absurd. Of course, I don't really expect to ever get there, seeing as to how I am a literal McWagie.

>>25468057
as i said, shit taste

For me, the only worthwhile 'made it' car is the eBussy.

I wouldn't consider a Lambo at any level of wealth because I'm not 16 y/o mentally

i unironically think most
>lambo
larpers cant drive, let alone a stick.

I'm over 100k USD in profit and the only car I would even THINK about buying is a 4 cylinder fully loaded Toyota Camry of the latest model year.

My day job is running 2 mechanic shops, Toyota simply makes the best vehicles money can buy, and it isn't even up for discussion.

>>25467070
Never, that's a nigger tier car. Luxury cars are IQ tests, the more you have, the nigger you are.

>>25467169

Correct.

>>25467070
10 million

>>25467933
My mom's cousin owns one, and he is very successful but a homosexual. They are pretty gay looking if I must say.

At least 8 figures.
I'd like to try out a bunch of different sport/super cars before I pick which one though.

>>25467070
10 minimum, and it wouldn't be a lambo

>>25467169
This is the right answer, and honestly, even here I'd find other ways to use this type of money before investing in a depreciating asset like that. It'd be closer to $10m for me with passive income before I considered it.

>>25468145
larp

if you really ran a mechanic shop you'd know what a PITA modern "fully loaded" cars are with pointless electronics that will be obsolete in 10 years

>>25467386
Not on the same level but I've owned 4 Honda s2000's and I always made money when I sold them. They are certain cars that are actually great investments

>>25467492
>>25467441
>>25467716

Fuck you faggots. I don't have my old copy-pasta, but:

>can bend tie-rods with my hand
>all the parts are flimsy as shit
>literal death trap - if it flips, your head is actually OVER the seat, and if you move even a tiny bit, it's over the A-pillar
>limp-dick as-fuck. Without $500 in mods, it has less body rigidity than a Corolla
>muh-turbo. Genuinely, without at least a shit bolt-on, toyota minivans pull on it alllll day, despite the weight
>literally no utility
>can't see stoplight when first at light
>fucking flimsy-ass piece-of-shit softtop

Miatas are shit. I do believe in experiencing one, mainly for the pop up headlights, but also because you can break the ass loose by accident and completely spin like a retard in a little rain at 30mph.

Oh yea, did I forget? No LSD on most NA models.

Don't take the Miata pill unless you are a literal mechanic, equivalent in skill, and/or have access to a shop.

>>25468242
yeah the right old cars won't deprecate. i owned like 10 different cars throughout high school and college and never sold at a loss. at any given time 75% of my NW would be in classic cars

>>25467070
No no no...

Why do burgers get boners for shitty Toyotas?

>>25467120
>putting 5-10% of networth into a depreciating asset requiring maintenance
Unironically ngmi

>>25467070
Sticking with my Civic, ta.

>>25468227
Toyota doesn't have anything that is fancy, you really don't know anything about cars lol. The newest technology in the camry is lane assist, and android auto/apple car play.

>>25467070
Probably 10 million, but realistically never. Rather waste money on a boat than a car.

>>25467070
I just want a new 2001 Honda CRV straight off the factory press.

New CRVs look fucking S 0 Y.

>>25468251
kek this is the truth. I see so many retards in clapped out miatas that are falling apart, by now the suspension components are all shot by now.

>>25467070
>Buy a depreciating asset
Not gunna remain making it

>>25467070
I don't really have any desire to own a lambo. so probably around $10MM if I wanted to waste money.

>>25467070
>>25467441
For me?
It's the 2020 Miata RF model. It only costs about 30,000 Dollars and seems like a fun drive. Also it's perfect for my tiny island

>>25467070
10M

>>25467070
Only Lamborghini I want is a 1 of 7 manual Murcielago SV and they are probably going for $1.5m to $2m

20M and free 1M every year
otherwise i'll just buy a shit used car

>>25468570
fucking based chad who knows cars.

I like cars but I'm not a car guy and I will never get close to driving a hyper car but aren't Lamborghinis bottom of the barrel when it comes to super cars and hyper cars?
You have Aston Martin and Ferrari for those beautiful designs, McLaren for driving, and those brands like Pagani and Koenigsegg for fucking insane and extremely expensive cars. What is the niche for Lamborghinis? Are they the Hublot and Richard Mille of cars? I'm actually asking.

Only Lambo that I really want besides the SV Murc that I will never find. ....

>>25467169
Agreed, would need at least 10k passive income i.e. real estate per month. If I had that I wouldn't feel bad blowing 3k a month on a lambo.

>>25468636
It's a Volkswagen bro. Image.

The only lambo I need

>>25467120
white man answer. niggers wins 200k in casino and buys lambo next day.

>>25468636
Lamborghini's are for people who are too young for Ferraris

>>25468714

Fucking VW, they are doing Skoda dirty because they make better cars than VW with less budget. And the Urus is basically a Pimp my ride Q7. Fuck them. Only Porsche and Skoda make cars I would buy in that group.

>>25468445
Don't get a car with OnStar

>>25467070
Is a lambo still the #1 thing to show off your wealth? Can't I show off with something that I can use/benefit it's 100% potential?

>>25468735
https://youtu.be/1v3CzvQ9e_w?t=123

>>25468636
The idea behind Lamborghini is that it is a far more comfortable ride than a Ferrari, with more luxury features, FAR less road noise & engine noise (inside the cabin), and it is more tuned for daily driving rather than taking it to a race track.

I have a customer (some rich pajeet) with a ferrari and lamborghini and these are the differences I have noticed from servicing them.

>>25468879
Onstar is a General Motors thing. GM is the worst of the worst and they bring shame to the USA, I'd rather walk then be caught dead in a GM.

>>25468946
servicing... lol

>>25468562
RF looks cool but everyone that actually drived it said that the wind chop noise (that ear-popping "WHOP WHOP WHOP WHOP WHOP" sound you hear when you have the windows open at a specific angle) is pretty bad once you go 50+ mph.

Audi RS6 for me

>>25468636
>What is the niche for Lamborghinis?
Lambo has made a name for themselves creating the most strange, exotic looking cars they can with enormous engines (V10s, V12s...) and thus their appeal is to those who want a supercar that is largely different from the rest. The other brands you mentioned are very nice cars, however they are still very "car-y" with good but otherwise normal looks and a wide variety of sporty yet smaller engines (a flat 6 simply doesn't seem as badass as a V12 for instance).

Lambo's niche is inadvertently for males who got rich fast and early and still have a teenage taste in cars. Older holders of great wealth will desire Porsches or Mercs, but Lambo seems to be desired by the younger crowd.

>>25469024
is that supposed to be an insult?

>>25467070
Never, because I'm not a retard.

>>25468424
>dont enjoy your money
>acculimate and hold
>dont spend a very small amount of your wealth on things you enjoy

If he wants a Lambo, be rich enough to buy it and not have it be a big deal.

>>25469049
is it?
Well I suppose it's not much of a problem just don't open the window at that specific angle

>>25467441
Owned a 2nd gen miata, literally the most reliable car I've ever had, easy to work on, walked away from an accident in which a ford econoline blew a red light and totaled it.

>>25467070
Pretty much never. I'm too old and don't see a purpose for one.

If I could still pass a medical exam for a pilot's license I'd get a UL39 or something else fun, but I can't, so there's that.

>>25467070
Wouldnt buy that cage if I was bill gates himself.
This is what I'll get when I make it

>buying a street car so you can get robbed
>not buying a state of the art EV truck with air sus, 100% torque and a .50 cal mounted on it
I fucking hate /biz/ taste in vehicles

>>25468946

So it's basically an exotic car designed to be driven daily without breaking your neck. Seems fair, especially given the philosophy of the whole VW group. My main problem with them (again, not a car guy) it's the design, it's a little too much, even more so considering they are made for daily driving. It's like wearing one of those stupid Versace golden shirts everyday.
I cannot fathom anything other than a sofa on wheels for daily driving and commuting like the S class if I was in the position to afford one of these cars. Driving around on the weekends is a whole other topic.

People ITT:

>>25467070
Never, it's a complete waste of money.

>>25469258

>>25469289
based

>>25469258
>>25469304

Pfft lambo? I'm a classy man. AM DB11 for me.

>>25469059

Maybe it's a generational thing too, all my friends and I lusted after when I was a teenager were Ferraris and Porsches. Now, thanks to hip hop and that type of culture, Lambo is the way to go.

>>25467070
Probably like 50+ million. Unironically don't care about lambos or supercars in general, so I'd buy one just to slap stupid bumper stickers on it and trigger idiots
>wouldn't even wash it

>>25469160
Not sure if it's from the opened windows or from the opened the top. Will have to see yourself

>>25469710
Kek would be funny as fuck.

>>25469719
yeah I'll test drive it when the day comes

>>25469204
I've decided that street riding motorcycles are too dangerous to be good. Two guys I personally know got seriously injured in life-altering ways in accidents, and not because they were bad riders but because people in huge SUV's just smash into you once in a while.

I would still do off-road dirt biking though.

>>25469915
this bros, it's not worth it

>>25467169
this pretty much.

>>25468424
>this anon needs 100% of his net worth to make it, 90 or 95% isn't enough for him to still be filthy rich

Fucking poorfag, you won't starve with only 4.5 million instead of 5

>>25467070
for me 10 million, shit is way too expensive imo. a car that is less nice and like a third as expensive would suit me much better

I'll be on a yacht 24-7 so no lambo for me. Maybe I'll put one into the aquarium as deco.

supercars really aren't my thing. closest I would get to that is refurbishing an old crown victoria and turning it into a v12 turbocharged sleeper. otherwise my fuck you money car is an offroad rallycar, and something I would build from the ground up. I've got a wrangler so if I make it I'll likely just throw a turbo on it, upgrade the tires and suspension and transmission, maybe pretty up the exterior with steel fenders and add some heavy duty steel bumpers and reinforced roll cage for safety. But I mean, cars aren't the end all be all for me and I would rather have performance over some exotic looking nigger-rich mobile.

>>25468424
>ferrari
>porsche
>depreciating

>>25467070
125k net worth for a down payment

>>25467070
$5-15M

>>25467765
dumb take. plane/chopper can save you time on travel. time is the most important resource

>>25469402
literally a 2003 chevy avalanche

the exact car i GAVE away a few years ago, why would anyone drop 50K on this

When I hit $1M I’m buying a used Lexus LC500

>>25467070
boring mememobile desu... I certainly wouldn’t hate owning one, but I’d much rather own pic related

>>25467070
$10M dollars

>>25470921
A typical Ferrari isn't meant to last 100k+ miles. Many break down starting at 30-50k miles because they are tuned to be flashy overheated and overstressed supercars. That's why used ones (not the vintage antique ones, just like used 2010 models for example) are surprisingly low priced. I too was shocked when I learned of this.

Porsche vehicles are generally much more reliable though because they are built like cars. Italian "supercars" like Ferrari and Lamborghini are just glorified overpriced designer handbags with 4 wheels. Designed to thrill your balls off for a few years and throw away, because hey their customers can afford to do that, or they simply lease new models every year.

>>25470782
>refurbishing an old crown victoria and turning it into a v12 turbocharged sleeper
a fellow /o/tist detected

I would put a turbo diesel in an XJ and call it a day

>>25467317
yeah lambo just screams: "IRS, AUDIT ME PLEASE" "NIGGERS ROB ME PLEASE" "PLEASE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ME!!"

150trillion, I would buy every single person in my family and extended family Ford Raptors before I ever buy a lambo. Family first, nothing else matters. Only the realest know

Also, you are completely right that Lambo is a stupid investment and that its a death trap and bla bla bla, but there is only one single reason why guys guys buy Lambos: TOP TIER PUSSY.

Read up on signalling theory.

Lambo signals: "I am so well off and so confident I can spend 300k$ on this shiny stupid toy, now suck me dick and let me creapie your throat"

And it works

>>25468086
We need more vehicles that look like this.

>>25467577
What a car.

>>25468403
Because America is big and empty and we have to drive a lot, so there is a lot of security in driving a car that won't shit out on you. Nobody wants to be stranded on some highway in the middle of fucking nowhere.

>>25467070
I don’t care about that dumb shit. I want a CyberTruck.

>>25468063
A good benchmark.

$10-20 million
but i would be looking for a custom resto mod before then, like a singer porsche for example

i'd never consider such a luxury.

my luxury would be paying of my mortgage
not working a single day in my life anymore
staying safe and healthy
leaving something behind for the kids

>>25469710
>>wouldn't even wash it
i'd pile up mcdonalds and wendys wrappers in mine and leave it parked in a walmart parking lot
pic related but with a lambo

>>25467070
never
lambos are a meme and id unironically get more mileage out of a used honda without having to pay the ludicrous amount of taxes for one
also,
>publically wanting to show off your wealth with a depreciating asset
>publically wanting to show off your wealth EVER
lmao

>>25471189
that is why you keep them in storage and sell to collectors.

>>25467070
>buys a deathtrap
ngmi

>>25471654
Exactly. I am a poor person who still steals batteries and makes most of their own food. Definitely have no interest in buying shit. I want a trailer in some mountain property close enough to a major city with a 5g internet connection.

>>25471654
incel detected

you know some of us actually want to fuck those instagram models instead of just simping in the comments hoping to slide in dms

>>25471706
>that is why you keep them in storage and sell to collectors.
Might as well just invest in more profitable things then

Lambo's are played out and scream "notice me." I'd probably only ever go up to an Escalade.

>>25467070
Never.

>>25467070
500k in passive income/cash flow

>>25467070
I wouldn't buy that spaghetti nigger car if I was richer than the fucking Baron Rothschild.

>>25467070
I'd have to net (after-tax) at least $500k/year in passive income, so realistically probably around $15-20mil. Lambo is not a high priority for me, so I can only see myself buying one for shits and giggles if I really have money to waste.

I'd buy a Subaru or a Lotus before I bought a Lambo.

>>25468086
>Forward control van
>2021
Unbelievably based and nipponpilled

>>25468328
Based. Land Cruiser, the vehicle you buy if you want to go the end of the world and back.

>>25467070
I just want a late model 4th gen Lexus LS460.

>>25467070
My penis is bigger than 4", so never. I would buy a yacht though because those are comfy

>>25473117
>yacht though because those are comfy
If you actually owned a boat you would know that owning a one is a great pain in the ass with tons of hidden costs and unforeseen complications

>>25467070
Even with millons, I'm still likely to embrace the stealth wealth code and only drive regular cars with maybe some tasteful upgrades. Lambos just seem excessive and would attract all the wrong types of attention.

>>25471147
This dude fucks

>>25471291
all you gonna get are gold diggers, which is worse than escort
if you want to find a wife, go get a truck

>>25473747
>truck
burgers actually do this?

It looks like my superiority has been the cause of some controversy .

>>25467070
they are disgusting pajeet tier vehicles, if someone gave one to me i'd sell it or donate it for a tax write off. /biz/ needs flags desperately

>>25467070
I just reached a NW of £1 million and am only just now considering financing a £60k gallardo

>inb4 NGMI buying a car on finance (actually makes sense to finance this car at 6.9% and not have to sell crypto)

Although I will probably put it off until next year where I should hopefully be at least 1.5-2 and hopefully the great reset hasn't started. Maybe I'll actually be able to afford a diablo instead

>>25474252
>£60k gallardo
see >>25471189

>>25467070
5M net worth, 100k year passive

>>25474252
Also do a thorough check on the trans and engine. There is a very good chance that it has cracks or other stress defects.

>>25467933
Audi, kek

>>25467120
>5-10% of NW spent on cars

Way too high. 2% tops. This is like buying a $40k car new with $2 million NW.

I’m gonna need $20 mm before I’m buying a $400k supercar

>>25474438
Kek do you think I haven't done my research. A 2005 gallardo is nothing like a ferrari of the same era, they are extremely reliable. Ferraris do require constant maintenance and break easily yes, but the gallardo is very well built and the common faults are usually minor and cosmetic problems, especially with the manual gearbox. You can twin turbo a gallardo up to 800hp on stock internals, that's how strong and overengineered the engine is

>>25467070
never, Lamborghini is the biggest meme car to ever flop out onto the exotic scene.

If when you do make it and have a net worth of 500k you should be looking at Aston Martin and cars that increase, and not depreciate in value.

>>25474252
kek, congrats and good for you lad get a new ish Porsche instead though, never buy an old supercar it’s all the same costs as A new one

>>25474665
I know porsches are great anon, but I'm 31 and they just don't do it for me, they leave me cold. I have always driven extremely impractical cars (lotus etc) and the porsche is just too sensible for me. If I can just jump in the car every day, turn the key in whatever weather and drive, it kind of takes the enjoyment away for me and I see the car more like an appliance than a car with quirks and personality. I know that probably sounds retarded and the opposite to how most people think

>>25474636
go for it then bro

>>25473806
Based

I got a 2016 Boxster s last bull run, it was a demo model it was about 4-5% of my net worth, fun car and I’ve put 51k miles on it I dunno what I’ll get next year, again I’ll trade that in and stick to 4%

>>25467070

I have $12M in crypto atm and I'd never buy a lambo.
It's a stupid asset to hold. Only poor idiots would think this is a good idea.

>>25474904
Sounds like you know what you want which is good, go for it, I felt the same riding a motorbike when I was a lot younger

>Lambo
Did you ever stop for a second to consider why you want this thing? Because some kikes convinced you that you need one as a marker of success? Because you're so insecure that you need an overpriced piece of Italian trash to prove to everyone that you're a WINNER?

Most truly rich people don't own a lot of flashy shit that depreciates in value. You're thinking like a nigger anon, and if you keep thinking that way you'll stay poor no matter how well your chosen shitcoin performs in the market.

>>25470060
>Fucking poorfag
You are projecting m8. My portfolio hit 7 figures last week.
Won't be buying Lambo even when it's 8 figures. I'm going to reinvest it into other markets. Buying flashy shit is nigger mentality.

>>25469131
>5%-10%
>very small amount
you crazy nigga

>>25475239
>>25475241

Not everyone buys these types of car to be flashy. I agree people who do that are pathetic but I personally enjoy the adrenaline kick from driving a fast car and hearing the engine. There's not much (short of a motorbike and they're too dangerous on these roads) that can give similar excitement for the money

>>25473779
I can smell the kebab from you

>>25472040
>fuck vapid thot rather than finiding a meaningful relationship with someone who supports you
Ngmi brah you think too small.

>>25472040
>Call somebody incel.
>Claims to need a super car to fuck.
This board IQ is getting lower and lower.

>>25467677
it seems like the C8 really is a nice car to track

>>25467238
pretty sure a guy in my town has one for the memes. bro built this big house in a modest neighborhood in WNC and daily drives a lambo. i think hes a pretty cool guy

>>25475529
>does not make his own rollercoaster with at least 20% of his income
Ngmi

>>25467070
25 million

>>25475529
My own sense of satisfaction comes from securing the existence of our race and a future for white children. So that's where my own money goes. But sure, you go buy a six figure car because you like the sound of the engine. Nobody can stop you.

>>25467070
The only car I will buy when I make it, and if it breaks down I'll probably keep driving my old ass f150.