/biz/ - Business & Finance

Why doesnt vpn providers accept Monero

>>25132097

XMR is CIA resistant.

>>25132097
Some do, the rest will follow.

https://greycoder.com/a-list-of-vpn-providers-that-accept-monero-for-payment/

>>25132097
Just use Tor

Give me non-meme answers why you need this coin? (Hint: "Privacy bro" isn't an answer to the question, it's a feature)

>>25132204
Privacy is literally the answer though. It's not "a feature", it's the purpose of Monero.

>>25132097
vpn providers are useless no matter how anonymously you try to pay
https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29

>>25132204
What kind of answer would satisfy you? I hold a good chunk of XMR for the feature of privacy and the store of value. Why do you NEED whatever coin or investment you hold?

>>25132030
PirateChain is better

>>25132280
not needing to get paid per post is even better

>>25132204
Decentralized private transfer and storage of value which is resistant to censoring.

>>25132204
No coin history means you do not have to worry about coin taint. Monero is digital cash.
Safety of knowing that nobody knows how much Monero you have unless you provide a view key.
Long term scaling solutions (dynamic block size, dynamic fees, tail emission).
Long term organic growth in adoption.
Dark net adoption which is a parallel to how Bitcoin first had widespread use.
A community that supports hard forks and therefore improving the protocol instead of pushing a dinosaur forward.
Built in privacy meaning that even with atrocious opsec your transactions are private and secure. Against dragnet surveillance, Monero is about as perfect as it gets.
Regulations will continuously push people towards privacy. Data leaks will continuously push people towards privacy. Monero is the king of privacy in the crypto world and it will only grow from here.
Atomic swaps.
Undervalued BTC ratio, which will appreciate during the bull run.

currently too high to buy in?

>>25132030
Former cRipplet here, managed to get out of that shitfest in the green just about.
Good time to buy this or dip incoming?

>>25132605
>>25132647
DCA. Nobody knows what the market is going to do.

>>25132647
Depends on bitcoin. I feel that btc will not go below 20k and the bitcoin ratio is at the bottom.

>>25132280
Heads up new friends, Piratechain and 0xmonero shills are here every day. They don't have dicks, so they try to get you to waste your money because it's the only way they'll ever be able to fuck anybody.>>25132260

>>25132204
fungibility - some American beaureaucracy can't devalue your holding because 7 years ago it was used to buy weed on the dark web

anonymity - vlad can't figure out what you're worth with blockchain analysis and come rip out your fingernails

>>25132679
fair enough
>>25132773
In 2017 XMR was interesting in that it hit ATH very close to when BTC did, as opposed to a few months later with the rest of the Altseason. You expecting the same again?

>>25132887
>In 2017 XMR was interesting in that it hit ATH very close to when BTC did, as opposed to a few months later with the rest of the Altseason. You expecting the same again?
Honestly no, I don't. Monero is pumping separate from the entire crypto market if you haven't noticed. We dump less than other cryptos and we pump less than other cryptos during alt rallies. I wouldn't be surprised if we pump along with Bitcoin and then decouple at some point and then do our own thing. Monero has a mind of its own lately and this is why it is so exciting.
We still have some major pumps coming in the future, such as more exchange listings, aforementioned regulations or privacy leaks, and endorsements from big name players.
Until then, we are just stacking and staying comfy to be honest.

>>25133096
thanks for laying out the state of the game. do you have any idea of timeframe for these pumps?
any good resources I can learn more?

>>25133193
What I have noticed lately is that Monero tends to pump when Bitcoin is stagnant or consolidating in a region.
The cycle is like this: Bitcoin pumps and everything bleeds, then the shitcoin alts rally (with Monero going slow and steady instead of gaining some ridiculous percentage). Then Bitcoin consolidates and the alts bleed most of their gains. And then Monero pumps. While moonboys are distracted by number go up in the short term, they don't realize that Monero has been a steady performer the entire year, with its gains in USD comparable to Bitcoin. And this is notwithstanding our very undervalued ratio that we currently have which will correct in the long term.
We know that whales influence trading, so removing all the noise, it appears that whales are trading shitcoin alts for profits and then dumping that into Monero (and Bitcoin/Ethereum as well). They use sell walls to nuke the Bitcoin ratio and profit off of the moonboys pumping bags of shitcoins.
This game can only go on for so long, however. The pent up demand will inevitably explode and then these traders will get hit pretty hard. It should also be noted that Monero is trading more on the USD pair as opposed to the Bitcoin pair. This is in line with how bullish our USD charts look compared to the Bitcoin ratio (and evidence of decoupling). Because Monero has actual demand outside of speculation, it will continue to drive the USD value upwards, so if Bitcoin does correct, Monero won't be as effected (thought it still will be).
>any good resources I can learn more?
lurk the generals and check the charts every day. We could see a marketwide dump literally today lol but I am confident that Monero won't dump as hard as some of these shitcoins because of actual demand for use.

>>25132204
>1pbtid
what are you holding other than btc and eth, and why is it the most useful thing in the whole world? I'm talking about the token, not the service it backs, like why are you holding any other shitcoin tokens?

Why is the Crypto Rating Council so dumb?

>>25133936
fking lol ikr? that's literally FUD

>>25133936
where did they even get that from?

>>25135858
Craig wright (actually). Lololol.

THREAD BLESSED BY MONERO BIRD

>>25135877

>>25135858
Judging from Riccardo's thread it looks like the Crypto Rating Council (whose purpose is to rank coins on their likelihood of being a security) outrights makes shit up - which is VERY disappointing because Coinbase, Bittrex, Kraken, and Grayscale all officially support this group.

>>25136084
i mean they gave link a 2, the same as eth, when link is nearly identical to XRP

>>25132432
grin is digital cash. how bout we term a new coin for monero? (store of crypto) because bitcoin is shit

>>25132204
if you lived in a "socialist paradise" like i do, where loading 100 dollars into a digital wallet or crypto exchange gets you flagged by the government and you have to justify the origin of those funds, you would realize why we love monero

HODLING 120k of moneros successor

>>25136257
Monero's successor is Monero with Triptych and atomic swaps

Daily reminder that Monero transactions are traceable (broken by Ciphertrace fed contractors), and XMR has no other use outside of making illegal transactions which makes it useless now that it is broken. Once arrest warrants are issued, this shitcoin will go straight to 0.

>>25136275
lol monero successor to monero? imagine the kek... the next gen to monero is currently under 20 cents .... nice try babacuck

>>25136323
what this anonlet said

>>25132204
to buy drugs online, evade taxes, and other generally illegal tomfoolery

>>25136345
Go fuck yourself ARRR shill
>>25136323
You too rajeesh. Nothing is stopping mass Monero adoption

>>25136323
>>25136187
look man this is why. first of all you dont need to ever care about privacy being broken once upon a time, regardless it will be patched or fixed, regardless you're not doing anything illegal. unless holding monero is banned but that is not the case because it is bought on many exchanges. moving on, if you want private currency you can use grin. monero is a good private coin and is worth holding as such as a bank vault. if it gets compromised you need to do some user fixing around with the amounts do further set an anonymous linkage to your holdings. noone wants to hold bitcoin in a vault, it feels creepy, and wrong, because people can act as perps or peeping toms into it, it feels anti-fun and logistically doesnt even work other than to jack off about

>>25136419
Hodler detected

>>25136323
Kill yourself

>>25136584
oh shit FUCK JANNIES

xmr is cracked sirs pls not buyed, did you buyded my erc20 token with $30 in daily volume?

>>25132204
Some times I really want privacy in my transactions
For example when I pay for porn or some other shady stuff, or do a lot of deposits into betting websites
Things that don't look in my bank statement
Your banker sees all your transactions so if you are a regular at the bank (as a small business I am) I have different bank accounts for different purposes
Monero really solves a lot of issues in that way

Also it's cross-border transactions that is safe, secure and fast
Literally better than SWIFT / Wire transfers in every regard and better than Bitcoin

A lot of reasons to like Monero

>>25132030
Should I buy into it anon? As I'm explaining why it could be useful to me I'm starting to want to buy it (only bullish Bitcoin rn)

I'm surprised you guys arent talking about this

4 ex-monero devs launched a new coin called Rift a few days ago along with a matching gas coin coming in a few days/week(s) that is supposed to allow stealth/invisible eth transactions. And some "important" crypto people along with actual monero devs/ex-devs are VERY mad because they couldnt get in at a lower price
I have never seen such a level of FUD already and their website has already been ddos'd

I know shilling another coin in a general isnt appropriate, but I thought I'd share since you guys obviously are into XMR

>>25136618
yes sor i investigated your claim and agree monero cost too many goats we need rupee frendly option

>>25136857
How is this better than Piratechain?

>>25136323
lol, that dude is milking fed money for something that isn't even conclusive. dyor. price would already be $20 if their methodology worked.

>>25132030
bump

>>25136857
eth is garbage tho, literally 5 dollar fees

>>25136857
https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/1342055211335036928

>>25136857
I just looked at their github. Their code is a copypaste of this monero wallet gen code:

https://github.com/snipeTR/monero-PDF-wallet-generator/blob/master/index_EN.html

which is a copy paste of this graph wallet code:

https://github.com/graft-project/graft-wallet-generator/blob/master/graft-wallet-generator.html

they didn't even change the guy's name... i'd rather have monero.

>>25137222
ok yeah this confirmed it. Checked.

>>25137222
As I said, the fud is huge. Only a small part of the conversation is shown herr

>>25137563
Bro if you're going to scam newfags make your own thread. XMR holders will not fall for it.

>>25137563
Its not just "fud" see >>25137267
Until I see something worth a damn, i'm not investing.

>>25136857
>4 ex-monero devs
which ones? this smells like pajeet

>>25137188
>>25137222
>>25137267
>>25137580
>>25137595
>>25137597

Thx for the replies, I actually just wanted your input as I'm not in XMR. If I wanted to shill this I would have done a proper thread and not just a a post in a xmr thread

surely i cant be the only person here with a brain to know that no legal business is going to accept this coin. the IRS will put pressure as soon as they do. it’s like paying employees cash to avoid taxation. do you really think the government will just allow that?

>>25137790
Hundreds of legal businesses already accept XMR anon
>https://www.acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>>25137874
yes if your company is located in a corrupt country where the government doesnt do shit. but to accept it as a physical retail store in the US? theres too much risk for the shop owner

>>25138087
>risk
Monero isn’t illegal you retard

>>25138087
what are you even talking about? so many fucking businesses already pay illegals CASH under the table below min wage. What is CASH now not legal tender? God some people are fucking retards.

>>25137790
I bought all of my christmas presents with monero this year. 1 ordered from sweden, 1 ordered from portugal, 1 ordered from germany, 2 ordered from the U.S (california and new york).

>>25136250
Argentina?

>>25137267
Whats the guy's name so I can Ctrl-Find it ? I don't see anything and the codes arent the same

>>25138795
yeah, fuck this shithole

>>25138810
https://github.com/RiftToken/ringsigwalletgen/blob/main/offlineRIFTwallgen

Lucas Jones

>>25138565
it isnt until it is, making transactions obfuscated is a big nono
>inb4 view key
you think its really worth all the effort to go through and learn just to be able to transact in xmr and still pay taxes?
>>25138611
>so many businesses already pay cash
no fucking shit and you think this is legal? this was my point faggot, bypassing a taxation system. by accepting monero you are openly declaring this and making your business a target. fucking brainlet

>xmr thread

>>25139063
Oh so everyone who uses cash, withdraws cahs from ATM its all to bypass taxation. Okay got it. It's funny you actually think you're smart and are making a great point or something? You fucking brainlet, do you think the government will make cash illegal? Is this fucking India?

>>25139063
>it isnt until it is, making transactions obfuscated is a big nono
Show me the legal cases which would support your viewpoint (there aren’t any). You absolute retard, encryption is a legal right. Torrents are legal. Bitcoin is legal. Tor is legal. Etc.
>you think its really worth all the effort to go through and learn just to be able to transact in xmr and still pay taxes?
Yeah this proves your a brainlet. Taxes are not hard to figure out.

>>25139193
youre a special kind of retard arent you? completely missed my whole point. theres a reason why some people pay employees in cash. go figure that out first then come back here

>>25138971
So GRT using part of this "Lucas Jones" code is ok but not RIFT?

>>25139393
No you are the retard.
Cash is legal tender and it’s also used for illegal purposes.
Just like how Monero can be used for both legal and illegal things.

>>25132204
It does everything BTC promised it would

>>25136584

Merry Christmas XMR chads
I hope everyone is having a fine evening
fuck jannies for still banning me from posting pics, may our gains be blessed and our XMR pumped, and we're all gonna make it

>>25136584
damn, her tits are massive but her face looks so underage

First for FUCK XRP

>>25133552
based post, thank you

>>25136584
everything about that picture is disgusting

>>25139123
the highlight of each thread

>>25139433
Yeah because they used it first. Either way RIFT looks like it doesn't have anything so far.

>>25132030
Ty anon for posting these xmr generals regularly.

>>25140333
This is the payoff for years of estrogen in tapwater. The jews were /ourguys/ all along.

how are you feelin?

>>25132030
Okay listen up frens.
I am All in Altcoins/shitcoins. Mainly PNK
Now I read into another thread that BTC will suck a lot of value into from all other assets and that is true and I realized that I should get some BTC.
Now all I am waiting for a is a nice Pump of my PNK bag and then get rid of it. But I am considering buying XMR instead of BTC.
My only other Hold is LINK, which I won't touch.
Would 100 XMR be a good stack?
>inb4 unknown ammo

XMR is an inflationary scamcoin.

>>25143353
pic related.

>>25143375
>what is the USD?
XMR has less inflation than bitcoin.

>>25143375
that would be eth

>>25132204
protection against inflation, taxation, confiscation, investigation, anything that can be associated to me

>>25136584

>>25143353
>Mainly PNK
whoops, stopped reading there

bump

>>25143475
i love how they shit all over cardano

>>25145451
another cocaine addict, pathetic

>>25145809
Kek

Anyone keeping up with the current network attack? Apparently someone is spamming nodes with garbage packets to fill up memory.

>>25143475
What gives this pic any credence?

>>25145809
i like my cocaine as much as i like my hopium

>>25145846
Apparently the problem is already figured out and they are writing a patch
This attacker is only strengthening the network so whatever.
If you are running a node make sure to include the txt file or ip addresses being used by the attacker on a ban list

>>25146086
I saw that too. Between this and the last one with malicious nodes its made me fairly bullish on the xmr team and tech. Plus there is a reason xmr is being attacked and other networks aren't.

>>25132097
2000000% a cia honeypot if it doesnt accept monero
(except mullvad, who are just being stupid)

https://www.getmonero.org/community/merchants/

ctrl+f vpn

>>25132204
only women hate privacy. youre a woman therefore your opinions invalid

>>25136323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo

>>25137790
>ban xmr because NOOOO NOT THE HECKIN DRUGARRINOS
>xmr:btc atomic swaps, bisq, other censorship resistance dexes, person to person trades
>????
>NOOOOOOOOO - reddit
>profit

>>25143375
not inflationary because it's a constant rate of growth of the money supply. we know exactly how much the supply grows, forever. it can't speed up or slow down, the inflation is literally priced in.

>>25132256
this was written by a homosexual that doesn't know how E2E works. the eternal comp sci undergrad strikes again. imagine telling people not to use a VPN on a microsoft owned site. he probably got paid. faggothub

First time /biz/ browser, wtf is fud, how do I into this?

>>25146680
Never listen to pajeet niggers shilling 0XMR, some fake pajeet coin. XMR is the real deal.

>>25132030
Tomochain is a better privacy coin and will moon harder. Few.

Hello, fellow Monerochads. Pajeet fags aside, a bunch of the XMR chad developers are currently working on updating the GUI this Christmas because some faggot is attempting to DDOS the network. If you have some money to spare to thank them, I recommend donating it to the General Fund.

>>25146680
FUD = Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. Shit talk, in layman's.

For how to into, consult the OP links

>>25146788
probably glowniggers. could feds 51% us? that would be a good way to shut it down

Can I avoid taxes with monero?

wen lightning?

>>25147423
you can avoid taxes without monero, but it certainly could be used for that

Monero seems like one of the few trustworthy daytraders. Anyone got good target plans? Seems like getting in at 150$ and selling 158$ would pay off indefinitely, did that once today. Sooner or later i'm going all in and staying. Made 1300$ daytrading in the last week. I know it's largely a meme, I don't recommend it but XMR treats all traders well apparently.

>>25132030
Monero can be tracked, use 0x......Monero

>>25148760
>its monero on ethereum
no its not, its a copy paste of 0xBTC code with the monero name slapped on top. It has no ring sigs, no bullet proofs, no dandelion++, no asic resistant mining, no smooth emissions, no Elliptic curves, no spend key priv key combo. It is nothing but a code fork of a failed token on a bloated network bogged down by chinese pyramid schemes, if you think its ever going to go anywhere your sadly mistaken

>>25148799
Take your meds Karen

>>25148760
nope. 0xmonero is still vaporware bullshit
just like the last hundred times you spammed it
shut up
https://www.reddit.com/r/
CryptoMoonShots/comments/i27fhk/0xmonero_summary_of_findings/
>>24755504

>>25148885
IP hopping again I see. You ready to get BTFO again? I'm ready if you are, it's always fun making you look like an idiot.

>>25148970
that never happens, dipshit.
when you talk, you just make it clearer and clearer that you're peddling a scam. that's it.
>>/biz/thread/S24750658#p24755504

>>25148970

Go away faggot

>be me, want to have a good time
>buy monero on us exchange
>buy $1,000,000 worth of lube, hookers, and blow from dark net market
>paid in monero, send from exchange wallet
>DNM gets raided, logs are obtained
>fed sees that vendor received 1,000,000 in the same block I withdrew from exchange
>exchange has my address
>navy seals are knocking on my door
>the lube had petrol in it
UHH BROS I THOUGHT YOU SAID THIS COIN IS UNTRACEABLE WTF

>>25149593
>buy monero on us exchange
>send from exchange wallet
pay your taxes, and don't do drugs

>>25132097
Mine does. Windscribe

>>25132030
how do i swap from eth to XMR ?

>>25150006
Morphtoken com

>>25150006
you definitely haven't read the OP. just check out kycnot.me. some exchanges that are listed there provide swapping eth into xmr without KYC.

>>25150322
>>25150535
any DEX or only CEX?

>>25151024
dyor
stop being so lazy, asshole

>>25150006
https://localmonero . co/buy-monero-using-cryptocurrency-with-eth

mfw it's literally impossible to lose money buying etfs and xmr

>>25151684
Literally cannot go tits up

Anons, do you notice how every single shitcoin under the sun is rallying, and Monero, one of the best projects out there, yet again doesn’t pump with the pack.
Once you notice this pattern it’s hard to ignore the obvious manipulation taking place. Keeping dcaing chads.

Longing 10x this XMR/BTC, don't believe this could go any lower

>>25153432
i swear we were about to make a bullish move last night on xmr/btc now we're back to square one.

>>25153304
feels like it

>>25153304
the crypto market is so irrational, people have no idea whats coming when it goes south

>>25132204
Non meme answer why do you need this paper? Hint: I dont want my bank to know I bought a 15 inch double dildo isnt an answer.

If you cant see this is a glowing post I dont know what to say

>>25132030
Guys what do u think about Beam as a privacy coin....looks dolid but dev seems sketchy as fuck, Israeli, possibly glow, uses Mimble wimble

Bump

>>25153304
Not just XMR, Eth is same

>>25149593
thats just stupid use.
buy monero for a million, spend half on tons of cocaine, keep the other half as investment.

>>25136719
Bitcoin is land and monero is gold, do you want to buy digital land or digital gold?

>>25153635
If it looks like a scam and pumps like a scam, it's a scam

>>25132030
Long time lurker here. I finally want in because I now have a healthy income stream. What are the drawbacks to using bisq as an onramp vs KYC exchanges?

Can someone tell me where the chat group is?
Tlg or disc

>>25155441
It's slow, there's fees, sellers make a margin

>>25155441
There aren’t any drawbacks for using kyc if you don’t care that the government knows you are buying crypto. If that’s a problem then you will need to look for non kyc options.
Bisq is p2p however you will need to buy Bitcoin first but it is non kyc so that’s nice.
>>25155483
t (dot) me/joinchat/Pr_k0VXb6p1o7Fr1H-82-Q

>>25155958
That's a potential source of concern. Even if the government knows you have crypto but can't prove you're using it for taxable events, they might try to paint a bullseye on your forehead and find other ways to fuck you.

Of course, I am a law abiding citizen and will always pay my taxes on time. :)

is XMR really untraceable?
if so I really don't understand the point of BTC
why not just buy gold for wealth storage and XMR for daily transactions?

there's no way I'm storing large amounts of wealth on a public ledger, if the government knows you own something they will come after you sooner or later
that's why I like to store wealth in gold, there are literally zero records on the gold that I own and it's very easy to hide millions of dollars in a tiny stash

bought .5 BTC back in 2015 and I still hold .36 BTC, should I convert it into XMR?

>>25156539
this is what we all hope atomic swaps will solve. We hold our wealth in btc, and use xmr to transact via atomic swaps. Devs said a testnet will hopefully be ready around Q4 2021.

>>25156568
are atomic swaps anonymous?
won't people be able to see that I've done an 'atomic swap' into XMR?

>>25156539
>is XMR really untraceable?
Yes. Apart from that the same adress obviously is the same person so don't receive ransomware payments on the subadress you use on your exchange (DUHH)
>I really don't understand the point of BTC
welcome to the redpilled world
>should I convert it into XMR?
crypto regulations are spreading across the globe like wildfire and xmr/btc is trading at a near all time low. Enough said.
>>25156568
>We hold our wealth in btc
it's just you

>>25156539
>is XMR really untraceable?
yeah pretty much.
>if so I really don't understand the point of BTC
it's the most liquid and most supported crypto so therefore it is the most powerful. As another anon said, think of Bitcoin as "land" because there is a finite supply of it. You are correct though that for transactions it is pretty awful terrible. Monero is far more like digital cash.
>bought .5 BTC back in 2015 and I still hold .36 BTC, should I convert it into XMR?
up to you anon, however the btc ratio is historically low for xmr. Look at xmr's btc ratio during the last bull run..
>>25156611
>won't people be able to see that I've done an 'atomic swap' into XMR?
no. Bitcoin and Monero don't share the same blockchain.
An observer would one person send their bitcoin to another Bitcoin address. That's it. They would have no way of knowing what you transacted the Bitcoin for Monero. It would just look like you sending Bitcoin to somebody else.

>>25156886
an observer would see one person*

>>25155441
you can also try using binance via vpn make sure you always connect via vpn though or you might get flagged as a burger.

>>25156886
>btc ratio is historically low for xmr
yeah, noticed that
will put .17 BTC into XMR and see what happens
>An observer would one person send their bitcoin to another Bitcoin address. That's it. They would have no way of knowing what you transacted the Bitcoin for Monero. It would just look like you sending Bitcoin to somebody else.
that's pretty cool
so maybe keep some BTC for.. hopefully future price stability in crypto, use XMR for daily digital transactions and gold for large wealth storage and large acquisitions
the future is comfy

>>25156568
>testnet around Q4 2021
That is actually a lot longer than I expected

>>25156611
The tech is really cool actually, and tldr it is basically anonymous. People may see your btc entered an address or area but that's pretty much the end of the trail.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/kjgi5g/farcaster_atomicswap_community_update_december/
>inb4 reddit

>>25156885
I hold a decent stack of monero too, but as in "we" i meant most people in crypto.

>>25132030
Monero is about to get cucked by Rift. You heard it here first.

>>25157066
fuck off, pajeet

>>25157066
fk no lol, rift is an erc20 token thus making it a shitcoin.

>>25157194
>>25157185
Stay dumb and poor.

>>25157475
kill yourself raj

>>25156539
>is XMR really untraceable?
It is not anymore. Fed contractors at ciphertrace broke Monero so it is now a honeypot. Fortunately there is a life raft that is still private, it is called 0x.monero

>>25157066

>>25157608
>0x.monero
SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM

>>25157608
fuck off faggot

>>25157608
You don't have a dick, Merry Christmas faggot. If you wanna fuck newfags, make your own threads. XMR holders are simply too crypto literate.

>>25139493
This. XMR is what normies think BTC is.

>>25157650
>XMR holders are simply too crypto literate.