/biz/ - Business & Finance

>https://bisq.network/<Trade Bitcoin for Monero completely anonymously over Tor, decentralized. Slow but completely private!
this

>>25087601
Bitfinex and Binance works too without KYC if you're trading crypto to crypto.

Can you convert to XMR on Binance.com? I don't have any BTC in my account so it might be that but I can't find XMR in the convert list.

>tfw sold my stack to buy GRT

>>25087704
yes

>>25087704
oh wait you might be on binance US? in that case you can't, just use kraken.

>>25087704
No, you cannot, you should use spot trading anyway to avoid unnecessary fees.
>>25087745
whew, never trust biz's pump and dump shills, basically equivalent to penny stocks a couple of decades ago.
Still not too late to get your XMR back

>>25087555
>currency used exclusively for drugs, ransomware, human trafficking, kidnappings and tax evasion
>zero (((partnerships)))
>moons while everything else crashes

Just upgraded from comfy to super comfy bros
Still got a long way to go

>>25087848
:)

>>25087843
>currency used exclusively for drugs
I bought all of my christmas presents with monero this year, also need I remind you how BTC started? Criminals will always be the first to adopt the new most secure payment methods.
>zero (((partnerships)))
because this is a currency and not a zoomer startup, (((partnerships))) are just empty marketing phrases to pump up the scams /biz/ shills. does BTC have many partnerships? How about gold partnerships? they are currencies, not companies, the developer teams are not for marketing, nor they need to be as you can see the price.

>>25087843
>cryptocurrency that is used as currency is more stable than scam coins
Who would have thought !

>>25087944

>>25087843
you can bet the (((City of London))) and (((Switzerland))) use a lot of Monero

>>25087637
>only if you're trading crypto to crypto
FTFY. There lies your problem.

>>25087982

>>25088017

>>25088051

>xmr thread

>tfw holding an unknown amount of XMR

>>25087843
sounds just like BTC on 2010

This is actually becoming a reality
>XRP $0
>BTC $150k
>XMR 40k

>>25087555
thats it I am dumping my 11k bat for XMR I am sick of being shat on by a faggot coin I join you my brothers and sisters

>>25088270
based, welcome to the community anon

>>25088270
it is never too late friend, join the other monero communities and participate in the generals. You will make it

>>25088313
thanks friend. I should have done this a long time ago. I bought bat because I thought the idea was good (tipping content creators) but always was unsure if the token was needed. At the end of the day, I tried to get rich and got burned. That being said, other than XMR and BTC, are there any coins/communities that have solid ideals/virtues? I can't think of any, or maybe I am just unaware. At least if I lose money on something I believe in it was for a cause instead of a stupid browser plugin token that isn't needed.

ITS OVER GUYS

>>25088245
fking lol

>>25088270
I am considering dumping my PNK for XMR
But I love the idea behind PNK and the world economic forum also wrote an article about how Dispute Resolution Services will be needed.
Fuck me, I really don't know what to do.
I am only holding meme token. Other one being LINK.
I might buy 10 XMR with FIAT, ad that's propaply all I can afford. Not willing to sell my silver though, in case of a SHTF scenario, which is very unlikely, but still.
>t.NEET

>>25088498
ETH was originally a good project but nowadays is only used for defi scams and the market is cucked, also the transaction fees are killing it.

RaiBlocks was also originally good but the developers are too incompetent to do anything with it so it's dying.

I always liked stellar but never bought any because I think the token distribution is a bit corrupt.

Nothing else comes to mind honestly, most of the top 15 are just outright scams except: LTC, BCH, BTC, and ETH, but I don't see too much potential for those in the future.

>>25088783
adding to this,
BTC, BCH, LTC are good for long term holding not because the projects are great, but because they are established store of value, I don't own any but purely based on monetary gain they are still a viable investment.

>>25087601
Can any good anon make a step by step noob tutorial for this? It'll get a lot of fencesitters into monero and decentralized exchanges.

>>25087555
EXCUSE ME SWEETEYS

THE JEWS ARE TELLING ME THEY CAN TRACK MONERO NOW.

https://decrypt.co/40284/us-homeland-security-can-now-track-privacy-crypto-monero


YOUR PRIVACYMEMECOIN IS OVER.

>>25088770
Do you even have any bitcoin?

>>25089015
>August 31

>>25089015
>august 31

neck yourself.

>>25089015
>falling for the Jew media
>august 2020
>meanwhile huge growth in dark net market adoption of Monero
Okay faggot, name me a single instance of a traced monero transaction.

>>25087555
I hate to say it but 0xMonero is a fed honeypot. You should get Monero instead.

>>25089150
If someone is so stupid they fall for it they deserve to be parted with their money

>>25087816
Yeah, just dumped half of my Link stack into XMR. From now on I'll just DCA in BTC and XMR and gamble with shitcoins once in a while.

>>25088783
>>25088878
Actually BCH seems like they stand for something but I just don't think that enormous blocks are the way to go but I do think they got boned with segwit 2x. LTC confuses me, it really doesn't seem to bring anything to the table, am I wrong?

>>25088245
>DASH not identified as shitcoin
analysis discarded

>>25088783
>ETH was originally a good project
Make no mistake, ETH has been shitcoin from day 1.

>>25089212
Lol reread it
>>25089150
Kek

>>25088245
where this from?

>>25089252
LTC has some very basic privacy now, quick block and confirmation times, seems to scale better than BTC.
Nothing too interesting though, basically a top coin for the same reason as BTC, established early and now functions as a store of value.

>>25089150
ok well played

>>25089015
before anyone new starts putting money into this, please know that there was an interview with the ciphertrace CEO talking about exactly how they cracked Monero in great depth that I recommend watching
https://youtu.be/w5rtd3md11g

>>25088513
Kek

can we get the xmr/fbi meme going in the chat pls?

>>25089327
what makes BTC and LTC stores of value other than a fixed supply? XMR does all the same things and while it doesn't have a fixed supply, the inflation is really small in a few years right?

>>25087555
Spread it around Monero bros. Monero may be the only thing safe from this shit storm.
https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2020-28437.pdf

>>25089527
Are you trolling or are you retarded? Because the CEO clearly had no actual information to share and later confirmed via Twitter that monero can’t be deterministically traced.
Neck yourself.

>>25089589
this is a good read and they can't do shit.

>>25089560
BTC and LTC are the main cryptos in every crypto ATM, plus Paypal is picking up both, they basically just have way more adoption.

>>25089560
Their market cap and their age. They've been top cryptos for basically ever, so it's 'the safe bet' for crypto. Monero would be the same if not for the delisting fud and lawmakers hating it so much, it makes people scared.
We'll get there though, just give it some time.

>>25089015
This is great fud. Thank you. Saving.

>>25089089
>>25089134
>>25089137
Guys I know most of you are ç̵̨̄̊͆̽̄͋̉̈́̾͝h̵̢̧̨̡͍̣̳̪̱͎̩̯̣͚̭̬̣̜̥͓̄̂̑̽̂̊̏̀̃͛͒̍̓̾̇͒͑͊́͘͜͜͝ͅȃ̷̧̧͉͎̩̙̮̙̠͔̱̺̳̤͉̭̮̈͗͊̀̏̽͒̽̊̈̀̿̃̈̏́͗̕̚͝ḍ̵͓͔͚̩͖̦̺͕̝̯̬͓̙̯̃̋͛̈́̇̽̈́̐̾̄́̓̎͑̀̑̈́̔́̆͠͝ tier hodlers, but can we discourage adoption for a while? some of us are still accumulating

monero bird is cute

>>25089641
kek
>>25089641
Clearly trolling, not retarded. This is the best fud I've ever seen. I've been looking for a smear campaign this good, instead of niggers spamming "botnets." We should all thank this person, save these links, and discourage adoption for a few more years.

This thread has been visited by the blessed bird of Privacy and Wealth, you will never be taxed if you reply with "Thank you blessed monero bird"

>>25089971
Thank you blessed monero bird

>>25089998
one off

The only way I can really acquire Monero is to exchange btc for it. I've got about .85 btc. Other than that I've got maybe $350 cash I could use.
Is it worth trading some bitcoin for xmr as a speculative investment?

>>25089589
so tldr pay your taxes goy, keep transfers under 3k, 10k per day.

>>25087555
monero has good use for relieving people and funding people in corrupt countries.... it has good use as a humanitarian coin like that..... BUT.... the western world govs will kill it, they dont accept privacy coins, they will ban them all and destroy them because the govs are too greedy and corrupt and only think of all the tax being dodged and assets being hidden that they want to scrape away and steal for themselves

>>25090058
xmr/btc ratio is near all time low, its the perfect time to get in with bitcoin

>>25090117
>they will ban them
How is that even possible? If they ban exchanges from trading it, people can still buy it with DEX.

>>25089915
Just because you missed the accumulation phase doesn’t mean we are going to wait around. You should have listened earlier.

>>25089025
No sir, I don't.
Bitcoin is a shitcoin

>>25090117
i hope they ban it, it will force us to become even more decentralized and resilient

>>25087555
Afternoon fellas. What would constitute a suicide stack of Monero, in your opinion?

>>25090670
an unknown amount

>>25090670
25-50 xmr

>>25089971
Tybmb

>>25090299
Monero-BTC atomic swaps are coming 2021.

>>25089560
Monero had a really shitty windows wallet for a very long time, the online wallets were always shady, this stifled adoption early on

>>25090670
Atleast an UNKNOWN AMOUNT

>>25088245
basedbasedbased

WE #13 BOYS

>>25089915
god I fucking love this image

>>25087555
We're about to overtake BSV. Let's fucking do this.

Currently the likely logo for Bulletproofs+. There's another option being voted on but it looks like this is the more popular one.

>>25092649
Quick rundown on what this is?

always been my comfiest hold, never stressed, so early. just bought more

>>25092764
It's a fairly minor but still noteworthy upgrade being done to the protocol. Size of range proofs is decreased by 5% and transaction verification gets sped up 5-10%. May not sound meaningful but XMR transactions are a couple times bigger than BTCs, so any size reductions are welcome.

>>25092902
If it's a fairly minor update, why does it have it's own icon?

>>25088270
Extremely based.

>>25092881
sometimes I have suspicion over my own confidence in Monero, but everything I see always points to the answer that I'm being reasonable.
Monero just seems to me a real & working currency that has actual benefits of usage. Seems reasonable that we can ATLEAST hit $1000 near the end of next year.

Wow 86 posts without monero Chan? I’ll fix that.

>>25093635
best girl

>>25093916
I’ve fapped to this picture an unknown amount of times.

>>25092936
because its a comfy community

https://youtu.be/oI1XUqI2Gn0&t=2m
Monero girl

>>25094202
Are there any youtube channels like this for the european community?

Attention anons: we have an /xmr/ general telegram channel that is very comfy. If you want to join, here is an invite:

t (dot) me/joinchat/Pr_k0VXb6p1o7Fr1H-82-Q

>>25089277
dash is pretty good. have you ever even used crypto?

>>25094810
Go start a fuckin dash thread, FOH with your optional privacy

>>25090628
this is the correct take

>>25094810
Dash is trash

Jews fear XMR

>>25088513
Oh no no no no no!

>>25089015
If that was true they would keep it as a secret.

>>25089589
Posting that image is already ilegal in UK anon!

>>25089314
https://research.bloomberg.com/pub/res/d37g1Q1hEhBkiRCu_ruMdMsbc0A
Good old satis hopium paper

Anybody know of a good exchange supporting eurs? I've been using bitfinex but it doesn't have the best liquidity.

>>25098124
Kraken

>>25098207
where does kraken support eurs? I know cmc says they do but I think that might be a mistake as I couldn't find an option for it.

>>25098287
Kraken no doubt supports EUR since at least mid 2017, since 2 months also instant SEPA wiring

>>25098773
I was talking about stasis eur (eurs), the euro stablecoin

Poorfag here, I'm considering buying about 10-15 XMR but have some questions about this project because till now I basically only though about that as cheaper btc for dark web transactions that is highly disliked by govs and media.
I heard that IRS is paying for breaking Monero, how possible is that according to growth of quantum computers technology in near future and is this same possibility as breaking Bitcoin or other PoW cryptocurrencies?
Is XMR staying PoW forever so will get possible new amount of miners after eth goes PoS? Would that make price grow and advance development of this project?
What if every crypto trading platform delist XMR cause of global goverments crypto legislations, where could I buy something or exchange for FIAT/other cryptocurrencies confidentially and safe then?
If I buy on binance and send to my some kind of desktop wallet I'm non trackable or I need to transfer it through some shady, risky stuff?

>>25087555
bump

>>25094788
nice try

>>25099183
Quantum computing would wreck literally everything if it were to suddenly appear. That isn’t going to happen — if quantum computing does appear then attacks will be met with defenses, like any type of security.
Monero’s privacy tech is all about obfuscation and plausible deniability. To keel things short: the only way to loosely trace monero is through metadata because of the way ring signatures work, as well as how stealth addresses prevent your wallet from being looked up.
Monero will always stay POW, because it is tried and true and it is capitalism. To make things even better, it is asic resistant, meaning anybody with a cpu can mine. Most of us think POS is a meme because it is mostly is about pumping bags to get staking rewards, which in turn only benefits whales who will corner the network. Pow guarantees that anybody can make a calculated investment which in turn will lead to long term rewards.
Monero will never be banned on every exchange, but if it does happen we will have atomic swaps.
If you send monero to yourself off of an exchange the exchange will know you sent monero at a certain time but that’s it. Withdrawing monero from an exchange is like withdrawing cash from an atm.

>>25099464
You don’t have to join anon. It’s okay.

>>25099183
Which wallet do you use?

>>25099471
kindly thank you anon, these atomic swaps seems interesting, have to look closely into it soon in order to f.e put savings and earnings from crypto and someday withdrawing it in bitcoin atm after swapping to btc
>>25099529
I set GUI wallet on my laptop and tried to sync my node to current block for fun but it constantly break down while continuing the download of chain db after interrupting it the day before so I gave up that for now

Bump

>>25100905
Get out of our general you cocaine addict

>>25087843
>>25087949
I remember BTC was only used on TOR for CP and Drugs.

bro's I think us monero-chads will agree with what I say but I want to hear others opinions.
I feel like XRP holders/supporters are unironically the worst scum of crypto; they support a coin that is pretty much the polar opposite of what most cryptocurrencies try to achieve. The only people who buy that shitcoin are people with no vision for crypto and no soul. I spit on cripples grave

>>25087555
Serious question, no doubt short term XMR is going to be a big winner over LTC, but long term do we think LTC could eventually actually become the silver to BTCs gold? They both are competing to be the default “transactional” crypto.

I think LTC has a real shot of re-flippening XMR long term because:

>rock solid oldfag coin with perfect track record (no ICO not a security as well)
>available to buy and sell essentially wherever BTC is
>fast and cheap transactions, something you could actually use to buy things in a a store, they have even come out with an LTC debit card
>blockchain is tiny especially compared to what monero will be (all “dummy” transactions on Monero have to go onto the chain as if they were real, currently 11 per real one)
>once mimble wimble is implemented LTC could potentially have an even great anonymity set than Monero, even though it is opt-in due to LTCs cap and volume.
>assuming anonymity sets to be equal Mimble Wimble is a far superior privacy tech than ring signatures. Rings are essentially just mixers where each transaction has 12 (currently) possible senders, one of which is the real one, this means that there are very real probabilistic attacks even today that while you never could get say a conviction based on them, they will be more than adequate for narrowing the Search window for an individual to a small enough number that investigating each potential suspect is economically feasible. Mimble Wimble gives you complete anonymity within the set of users, so once the AS of a MW coin actually starts approaching XMR there is going to be less and less reason to use XMR.

Also if we are honest Monero is a mess from a UX side, and while it’s sick that it’s probably the single most decentralized crypto, unless the GUI becomes something an actual human can use easily it’s not going to get mainstream adoption.

comfy thread

>>25101326
get in now

>>25101602
>I think LTC has a real shot of re-flippening XMR long term because:
static blocksize > dynamic block size

>>25101602
Maybe I am just a turbo autist but the Wallet GUI straight from Monero's website seems dead easy to use. If you are someone with no knowledge you would just select the simple version and instantly get access, and even if you didn't know much tech-wise but wanted to be more private; simply wait till the blockchain syncs and then use like normal.
I really can't see where the GUI is hard to use

>>25101735
>static blocksize vs dynamic block size
monero has a dynamic block size.
it wins the scaling debate

>>25101781
debate closed

>>25101602
Nigger stop spamming lite coin in these generals. It’s a surveillance coin and they are offering optional privacy. It doesn’t solve the million privacy issues that they have with a transparent ledger and public wallet addresses. People who want privacy will pick monero over litecoin 100 times out of a 100
Litecoin will also never dethrone btc. You are unironically a retard for even suggesting that.
Also dumbing down moneros privacy to just ring signatures (and even then misunderstanding how decoys work) shows how little you understand how monero works. We also have ring ct and stealth addresses.
Seriously tho neck yourself for even attempting to shill litecoin as a privacy solution. I’m embarrassed for you.

>>25089527

>>25101280
fucking kek
>>25099471
might I add if quantum computing were to achieve this level, security as we know it would come to an end imho, nuclear war shit if I know

My linkies are stinky, is XMR a good hedge?

>>25102045
We wouldn't all be here if we didn't think so, anon.

The only exceptions are the faggots shilling 0xmonero and Piratechain. They're here because they don't have dicks, so the closest they can come to fucking somebody is to get them to invest in a shitcoin.

>>25102298
these fucks are gonna get rekt through natural selection lmao

Thinking of dumping all my alts for XMR, tell me what I am in for///

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/12/22/22195834/cryptocurrency-fincen-regulations-private-wallets

*laughs in xmr*

>>25090117
>banning monero
>the governments are going to ban math u guys

>>25090628
based
>>25090117
can confirm God bless Monero
they can't ban shit

>>25102645
SEE >>25088245

People who talk about banning monero.

Has the government banned Tor?
Has it banned torrents?
Has it banned i2p?
Has it banned encryption?
Did they ban apple iphone sales or did they try to crack it?

Basically banning monero isn't the threat, it's breaking their encryption, which I am confident isn't even close to being a threat yet. If and when a large threat is posed I am confident that the monero devs + community will rise to the occasion and patch it. Just look at the response to the recent sybil attacks, the problem was immediately figured out and there is a fix. Community members are stepping up and downloading the blockchain just to run honest nodes to mitigate the effect of the attack. The transactions per month are at ATH. All this even though we're bottomed out on xmr/btc. If you aren't in monero right now you dun goofed.

>>25102963
What is the source of that chart?

>>25103212
Based

>>25103366
It's literally in the picture.

https://research.bloomberg.com/pub/res/d37g1Q1hEhBkiRCu_ruMdMsbc0A

>>25088245
Prophetic. But also:
>XRP: $0.0
>Upside: -90%

lmao

Anybody hold xmr in their Ledger?
It seems my options are
>Buy btc on Coinbase, send to Kraken (because otherwise I have to do a wire transfer to Kraken), swap btc for xmr
Then
>hold xmr on Kraken
>hold xmr on Ledger
or
>download the wallet from monero website and use that

Damn I didn't notice we were tanking, I've been laughing at the XRP chart all day. Good buying opportunity lads

NOOOOOOOOOOOO MY XMR
YOU SAID IT WAS ONLY GOING UP
ONLY XRP HAD TO BE AFFECTED
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>25104186
Monero is a privacy coin, and as such you should follow good privacy measures for such a good little coin!
first create a "dummy" monero wallet, this will be where you receive your swapped XMR from the BTC/XMR swap.
>Buy BTC on coinbase
>send to BTC/XMR swap (not exchange) and receive it in your dummy wallet
>send XMR from dummy wallet to real wallet (these coins will be completely anonymous)

your real wallet can be created in multiple ways with varying levels of schizo privacy measures. Either just use windows with the Monero wallet GUI for least privacy or....
grab a thumbdrive with ubuntu installed, boot it into a live cd and download the monero wallet CLI and create a wallet. Write down the seed phrase and store the address, seed, and view keys to your usb and encrypt them with gpg. Send the XMR from your dummy wallet to the wallet you just created and store your USB somewhere safe.

Lads, I have some stablecoins in my eth wallet, but the fees are INSANE, it would take 15$ minimum with the current fees to transfer it to an exchange. I WANT TO ACCUMULATE

>>25104441
very based anon, I will be accumulating more this evening

>>25104631
SEND HEEEEEEEELP

this is our chance bros, buying the dip

>>25104887
damn why so much high fees
gotta buy the dip ffs
are you using metamask's swap option?

>>25105101
no, that one has even worse fees

>>25105101
>damn why so much high fees
because ethereum is a piece of shit
nothing new

>>25104186
paper wallet is always an option

>>25104531
We are dipping less anon.

>>25104605
>send to BTC/XMR swap (not exchange)
I don't understand this.

Can't I just buy BTC through Coinbase, send to a generated wallet on Kraken (to fund BTC balance), then convert that to XMR through Kraken, and send to a new wallet made through the Monero CLI?

>>25106789
Yeah that works too. That anon was giving you a non kyc option.

just bought the dip

>>25107864
based

>>25107864
Me too brother, entry at 151.3, hope this is the bottom soon

>>25106963
But how is his option any more non KYC than mine? What did he mean by "BTC/XMR swap"? Wtf is that?

How do I send BTC to bisq so I can swap it for XMR?

>>25108653
There are swap websites that you just select the coin you send and the coin you receive. You don't have to create any accounts you simply send to an address and list the address to swap too. You can find some good ones on the monero website under exchanges.
Again to reiterate, what I'm telling you is the method to have completely private and anonymous coins, this is entirely optional.

>>25108394
>>25108276

lfg. am poorfag and think this shit looks like a really good in2 gains

>>25108812
Ahh. I never know about those sites....pretty interesting, wonder how they manage trust with that.

That makes lots of sense though. Still learning about the inner workings of XMR. Thanks senpai

>>25108917
No problem, being privacy concerned online is not only beneficial but can be a sort of hobby. Privacy is the biggest part of what makes monero special, so the community generally tends to be well versed in this sort of stuff. Have fun anon and remember, we are all going to make it

>>25093117
I feel the same

Would you buy this over BTC? Also; how would a US anon with Coinbase go about purchasing this anonymously?

Explain Monero's potential success to a retard that does whatever /biz/ tells him to. Should I purchase some of this stuff now, or wait for a dip?

>>25109431
>Explain potential success
It's more based than bitcoin.
>buy now or wait for a dip?
This is the dip.

>>25109431
BTC + KYC = 1984

This will be a totalitarian decade and Monero provides financial privacy to its users.

>>25109431
It's fully private essentially. untraceable transactions

>>25109604
>>25109710
>>25109745
Gonna be honest fellas, I don't really give a shit about the privacy or whatever. Is this gonna blow up like bitcoin?

>>25109777
you already missed the boom newfag

>>25109777
yes

>>25109710
based

>>25109777
It solves a problem that Bitcoin can't. I expect it to do much better next cycle so wait until the end of this bullrun to invest long term

Isn't it doomed without a fixed supply? Am I missing something?

That did not last long.

>>25109877
Supply is lower than bitcoin for the next 20 years

>>25109777
Probably, but I think of it as a steady long term gain. It won't "moon" 500% in a month like the PnD tokens shilled here.

>>25109877
It's not doomed, because continuing to mine provides security. If supply had a hard cap, it might have been doomed.
Inflation approaches zero as time goes on. More tokens are always added, but it represents a smaller proportion of the total tokens. Don't fall for the "infinite supply" meme, do some research on it.

>>25109950
>>25110023
I legit don't understand. How can inflation approach zero if there's no hard cap? Does the proportion added decrease over time? Ie soft cap?

>>25089150
lol fuckin well played

>>25089971
Thank you blessed monero bird

>>25089150
based and moneropilled

>>25090152
DONT TELL THEM THIS REEEEEEE

>>25089971
Thank you blessed monero bird

>>25093117
>sometimes I have suspicion over my own confidence in Monero, but everything I see always points to the answer that I'm being reasonable.
Being early, right, and patient is tough. Keep holding my fren. 1xmr always = 1xmr. fuck the feds.

>>25089971
Thank you blessed monero bird

>>25110113
>Does the proportion added decrease over time?
Yes, it's a soft cap. The amount added over time reaches "tail emissions" so the same amount is added each year. The total amount grows each year and the amount added is the same.

>>25110113
a previous anon has answered this before
>see pic

>>25110113
It is a slow linear inflation. Means that 432 xmr will be added to the supply per day.

With Monero, I can finally numb the pain of all those bags I'm carrying today.
Thanks, Monero.

Only coin that may actualy thrive if hunted by governements.

>>25110920
I can't get the wallet to download. It keeps deleting the file and says "virus detected." I can't figure out how to turn this bullshit off.

>>25111135
You need to whitelist with your antivirus

>>25102298
Oh yes sirs. It is very true. I have witnessed with my own eyes the honey in the pot that is MONERO!!! Friend purchase 500g KRATOM from Dread Market just last week and FTC come knock on his door yesterday morning! Say "we know you are very very bad man and must take to jail. We know you buy illegal drug with many MONERO at 2:36AM on 07/12/2020 and will now needfully arrest you."

Do not trust!!! If privacy is a virtue, you must purchase PIRATE CHAIN! PIRATE CHAIN is the only coin that has been proven by strict NASA testing to not be breakable even with their strongest quantum computer!!!! They have the best Java programmers trying to crack it but have not done so!

>>25111135
Of course there will be a lot of attacks agains Monero. Agains wallets too.

But people with conviction are joining. Some very, *very* smart ones are. Fuck you government.

>>25087555
PirateChain is better

>>25087555
whats a safe platform that isnt a scam that you guys use for monero/ other crypto currencies

>>25111549
Do you mean an exchange? If so, Bisq without KYC, Kraken with KYC

>>25111503
die rajesh you fucking cunt

all my bros buying the dip

>>25111576
Is it tracable if you go from KYC exchange -> converter? When you send to converter, all it does is send that through a generated wallet and then send you the XMR conversion to the output wallet, right? How could that be traced?

>>25111671
It can't be traced, but the KYC exchange will know that you bought crypto. Also if they're really after you, your isp can track that you connected to the monero network if you didn't use a vpn or tor, and that way they can figure out that you own monero.

>>25111671
Once you swap into a monero wallet, just the XMR to your real monero wallet. An XMR to XMR transaction from two alleys you fully control with make the end coins completely anonymous

>>25101602
>but long term do we think LTC could eventually actually become the silver to BTCs gold?
No. the whole reason silver/gold meme is a thing is because silver has unique industrial qualities, and it's a different shiny. litecoin offers nothing novel or unique at the end of the day to a user imo.

>>25111741
>>25111750
So BISQ isn't really needed if you just run your coins through morphscript directly from them, right? The trail ends with your coins going to randomly generated wallet, right?

Thinking of making monero my main hold when cashing wins out of shitcoin casino.

Is it a worry that monero is in sights of regulators? Or is it pretty bulletproof?

>>25111942
It always pumps when the americans shittalk

Is just a Ledger fine or do I need something special?

>>25111942
Not a major worry since Kraken is a strong exchange that will keep supporting Monero if and until real regulation appears.
The demand is pretty inelastic since the actual users are already willing to go through a lot to use it as a currency, and atomic swaps with bitcoin will provide decentrilized on and offramps that cannot be shut-down.

>>25111913
>The trail ends, right?
Yes.
The reason some anons use bisq is so that the trail never begins. Some anons like taking a path where there is no evidence they ever bought XMR.

>>25111942
cryptocurrency is in the site of regulators.
Monero is the haven that the holders will flock to.
If you read the fincen pdf, it makes it clear that there is no difference legally between Bitcoin and Monero. The feds can't ban Monero just like they can't ban Bitcoin.

>>25112221
>>25112088
Nice, thanks. I feel the financial liberty is what I crave and monero seems to be the place for it.

>>25088245
They got ETH way wrong, maybe before 2.0 and 1559? Also math doesn't check out on XLM 2=2 but -90% lmao

Man, buying XMR is a fucking pain in the dick. I've never used Kraken before and I've yet to see so many hoops to jump through just to buy some crypto.

>>25112519
it's how we weed out the idiots.

>>25112218
ledger is top notch, nothing beats it in security.

>>25112558
I've got it though. It's just been tedious.
I've heard of Monero for awhile now. Just haven't actually attempted to buy any, but I think it's about time.

>>25112665
thanks funny guy. it's not like i can return it

>>25112720
wasn't sarcasm, I use a ledger nano x as well, it's great.

>>25112739
you know we got hacked right

>>25112519
Has anyone tried making a binance account with a VPN? Just make your IP chinese or something? I signed up for it in 2017 but I've never had to KYC and I recently switched to using a VPN.

>>25112703
im busting your balls anon.
Monero isn't that user friendly and it's reflected in the price, but noobies who get confused at every step are going to get heckled. I'm sure you understand and will join in on the fun in the future when your monero is worth 1k+ and noobs are whining about not understanding the GUI.

>>25112772
the webshop got hacked which stored shipping details insecurely. Has nothing to do with the hardware or the security of the wallets.

>>25112808
lick my balls ledger lover. kissy kissy now

Is cake wallet legit? Like is it open source or anyone got a link to the dev?

>>25112831
what the hell lmao

>>25112851
i love you

Does anyone have any experience with bitfinex withdrawals? How long does it usually take? It's been processing for 5 hours now.

>>25112802
Well I whitelisted it, but the wallet is still giving me the error "monerod.exe not found, you can start it manually."
When I find the file and start it manually, it says this shits going to take like 21 hours to sync (holy fucking shit.)
What the hell is all this?

I put 50k in at $155.

Is that make it levels?

>>25112519
But wait there's more! You can't buy with fiat unless you do a wire transfer.

KYC is a pain in the dick. I made an account with Binance back in November, took them 14 days to verify me.

>>25112929
the 21 hours is downloading the entire blockchain.
to get around this, connect to a remote node. This will scan the blockchain with your private key.
https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/remote_node_gui.html

>>25112844
https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet

It's legit and wonderful to use

>>25113045
thank you

>>25112991
how does $13m sound?

>buy just before the dip

>>25113029
Ahhhhh I found a remote note and it's up and working finally. Now I guess it's time to swap some BTC for it.

>>25113324
Daemons are nodes. If you download the entire blockchain you can run a daemon, meaning other anons can connect to you who aren't running nodes.
By connecting remotely, you sacrifice some privacy elements (namely, your IP address will appear in the node you are connecting to) however, none of your transaction detail can be seen by the node operator.

>>25113300
thought i bought the bottom - nope!

>>25088245
>ETH
lmao

>>25113444
Hmm well that's good to know. Are there any rewards for running a node, or no?

bump

>>25089971
Thank you blessed monero bird

>>25113732
the reward is you help your fellow monero-chad's have good nodes to use their best coin on.

>>25113877
I like the project. I've been studying it for a few hours, and this thread has been helpful. I'm about to buy 3 XMR. It's all I can afford until midnight when I get paid.

>>25113956
The monero community will be refreshing for you I promise, keep going down the rabbit hole there is plenty more for you to find.

>>25114015
Any links/articles I should read?

>>25114046
depends how deep you want to go, for coming soon TM developments look into atomic swaps and the newly implemented bulletproofs+.

Another cool research project into the future of quantum computing and monero traceability/ring signatures is quite technical but interesting if you wanted to look:
https://github.com/insight-decentralized-consensus-lab/post-quantum-monero/blob/master/writeups/semitechnical_summary.MD

>>25113732
None except supporting the network. You can get rewards for mining however (you don’t need to download the blockchain you do that).

>>25088161
dangerously based

Can I join you stupid club? I have 7.5 moneros.

>>25115349
All anons are welcome. Also you don't have to tell us how much you have, it's completely private, which is one reason for the "unknown amount" meme

>>25089971
Thank you blessed monero bird =)

>>25115488
Ha! I don't have 7.5 moneros, that was a trick!

>>25115621
Based, I don't either!