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I sold my Monero for 0xMonero.

https://monero-badcaca.net/
https://www.monerooutreach.org/breaking-monero/
https://news.bitcoin.com/ciphertrace-patents-monero-transactions/
https://sethsimmons.me/posts/moneros-ongoing-network-attack/

>>24975122
i don't think so
i think you're just a liar
shut up
https://www.reddit.com/r/
CryptoMoonShots/comments/i27fhk/0xmonero_summary_of_findings/
>>24755504

>>24975168
Based

>>24975168
She doesn't know about the 0xMonero mobile app.

>>24974902
>monero goes up
comfy
>monero goes down
comfy (buying more)

it doesn't get any better than this, niggers

>>24975331
Im gonna buy in on this I think.

How can I verify the privacy of a transaction?

>>24975542
0xMonero is built on Ethereum, so it's account based. The way you hide transactions on an account based ledger is different than how you would on UTXO based ledgers like Bitcoin and Monero. UTXO cryptos carry transaction data in the coin and show everywhere they have been since they were minted. That's why things like ring-ct are necessary for privacy with UTXO based cryptos. The entire history of where UTXO coins have been can be tracked and coins can be blacklisted. You could be holding blacklisted coins right now that an exchange will flag your account for depositing and freeze your funds.

Account based cryptos are anonymous by nature. You cannot blacklist cryptos like 0xMonero because they exist in the EVM and have no identifying information that records token transaction history. If you send 0xMR to a wallet or exchange, or dapp, that already holds 0xMR, there is no way to identify which 0xMR were blacklisted vs tokens that are not. When hiding transactions on account based cryptos you need to obfuscate the source of funds. You can do that with a variety of methods including zk-SNARKs, by sending to a non-KYC exchange/dapp/L2/wallet/contract, using token bridges (c0xMR/s0xMR/x0xMR/t0xMR), or mining to a new wallet. 0xMonero is account based and cannot be blacklisted, and is mineable, the current mining contract does have some privacy features but it is not the final contract. A swap will be enabled that allows 0xMR to be converted to zk0xMR. Additional privacy features are being developed including 0xMixer.

So the argument that account based cryptos are not as private as cryptos like Monero is inherently false and comes from a misunderstanding of how account based ledgers work. You can retain anonymity with account based ledgers as long as you don't tie your account to an ENS or exchange with KYC. Even then if you send to another wallet, that wallet will be anonymous if you use a VPN.

>>24975912
Kill yourself you scamming nigger

>>24976011
nice rebuttal

>>24976078
nigger

>>24975912
>Even then if you send to another wallet, that wallet will be anonymous if you use a VPN
wait a second ... so i need to pay for a VPN to have anonymous transactions?

>>24975912
You wasted a lot of time typing this out for a scam lmao

>>24974902
>life is good
It is. Monero gives me confidence.

>>24976651
Nobody is telling you you have to buy or mine 0xMR, IDGAF either way. I know my investments will do well because I did my research.

The previous posts were to educate people about why Monero isn't private and how cryptographic ledgers actually function.

>>24976556
Yes, if you don't use a VPN or TOR your ISP and government can tell that you are holding/trading digital assets, which could theoretically flag you for audit or worse.

https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/58571/can-my-internet-provider-see-im-using-bitcoin-core-russia

>>24976776
tell me more about 0xmonero are the same developers from monero working on it?

>>24975122
Get fucked, pajeet nigger.

>>24977256
The project was started by 0xBitcoin and Monero miners and community members.

The founders believed that they could build a better Monero on Ethereum and created 0xMonero as a life raft for Monero on Ethereum (Faster, cheaper, limited supply, more secure...).

The team consists of 12 anonymous devs who work together to build the Ethereum ecosystem. Team members manage their own exchanges, casinos, atomic swap platforms, dapps etc. and in addition to building 0xMixer, are working to integrate 0xMR into those platforms.

>>24974902
EPIC > XMR

>>24977689
a life raft? whats wrong with just using monero?

>>24977689
>The project was started by 0xBitcoin and Monero miners and community members
as far as i know, nobody involved with 0xbitcoin had any involvement in 0xmonero
>>24978021
this guy's schtick is to claim that monero has problems
and then to claim that "0xmonero" solves those problems
but "0xmonero" is not related to privacy at all
it shares no technology with monero
it has no ability to protect anything
this guy is just a liar. that's all he does

>>24977689
>The team consists of 12 anonymous devs who work together to build the Ethereum ecosystem
i've been a programmer for 20-someodd years
i have followed the 0xmonero scam saga for maybe six months
my estimate of the number of developers 0xmonero has: zero (0)
as in, none at all
they do not write original code
they are plagiarists and they establish gay "partnerships"
they are good at lying and making claims that never materialize in any form

>>24975912
>its monero on ethereum
no its not, its a copy paste of 0xBTC code with the monero name slapped on top. It has no ring sigs, no bullet proofs, no dandelion++, no asic resistant mining, no smooth emissions, no Elliptic curves, no spend key priv key combo. It is nothing but a code fork of a failed token on a bloated network bogged down by chinese pyramid schemes, if you think its ever going to go anywhere your sadly mistaken

>>24978144
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anecdotal%20evidence#:~:text=%3A%20evidence%20in%20the%20form%20of,based%20only%20on%20anecdotal%20evidence.

>>24978168
Did you not read what I wrote? You don't need all those abstractions to hide transactions with account based cryptos, they aren't UTXO. You don't have to hide coin histories because coins don't record histories.

>>24978087
0xMonero slot and mobile app were co-developed with a former 0xBitcoin team member.

The minerstats was gifted by a 0xBitcoin miner and community member.

>>24975510
i just need our chadcoin to dip so i can buy more

10k 2024

>>24978282
>0xMonero slot and mobile app were co-developed with a former 0xBitcoin team member
i doubt it. who was it?
let me guess: they wish to remain anonymous
sure. everybody involved with 0xmonero is a huge privacy fanatic
why then would they be involved with a project that has nothing to do with privacy
>The minerstats was gifted by a 0xBitcoin miner and community member
no it wasn't
you just plagiarized it
this is very easy to verify

>>24978251
wtf is account based crypto?

>>24978347
False

>>24977689
>The team consists of 12 anonymous devs who work together to build the Ethereum ecosystem.
Monero has 12.5 anonymous devs and if my math is correct 12.5 > 12

>>24978509
here are the changes 0xmonero copy-pasted
https://github.com/0x1d00ffff/0xBTC-Stats/compare/master...0xMoneroStats:master
^ this is what 0xmonero "programmers" are up to: cloning a repo and doing some string replacements
see how the author is 0x1d00ffff?
that's a 0xbitcoin coder. an actual programmer who actually writes new code
ask him in the discord if he "gifted" that code to 0xmonero
of course not
you plagiarized it
you lie and plagiarize. that's all you can do

>>24978479
https://academy.horizen.io/technology/expert/utxo-vs-account-model/

"With regard to fungibility, the account model offers better privacy. There is complete transparency of UTXO movements (read assets) in the UTXO model when no privacy-preserving techniques are applied. However, the account model comes with a built-in “coin mixer” of sorts. When an account is funded with several transactions, the result is a single balance. When a payment from this account is made, an observer cannot determine which of the incoming coins is being spent. Consider the example of the account model above where Alice sends 8 ZEN to Bob, and his balance is updated to 9 ZEN. When Bob subsequently spends 1 ZEN, nobody can determine if the single ZEN stems from Alice or a different source. "

>>24978624
0xMonero is built on Ethereum, which has an ecosystem of over 200k devs.

>>24978631
ERC20, EIP918 etc. are open source. There is no license, there is no TM. ERC20s cannot be "stolen" and no permission needs to be asked to use or mint Ethereum contracts.

The person who donated the minerstats platform to the community was anonymous.

It's ironic that you keep going on about development when 0xBitcoin hasn't seen any development since 2018.

Also, I keep hearing from you and your discord shills that 0xMonero is just a fork of 0xBitcoin. Monero is just a fork of Bytecoin and Litecoin is just a fork of Bitcoin. Maybe 0xBitcoin is just a smart contract but real projects are more than a few lines of code. 0xMonero is muti-contract, multi-blockchain, has a living community, and real world utility visa it's integrations.

>>24978676
i'm looking at an account holding 0xmonero
https://etherscan.io/address/0xa95ac3d6b46716261e5fd304a0dcc4a1afba6cc2
i can see that person's 0xmonero balance and transactions
https://etherscan.io/address/0xa95ac3d6b46716261e5fd304a0dcc4a1afba6cc2#tokentxns
isn't this meant to be private?

>>24978842
>ERC20, EIP918 etc. are open source.
you're a piece of shit
of course eip918 is "open source". it's a standard
that doesn't mean that your copy of 0xbitcoin's contract wasn't plagiarism
i have been involved with open source for 20 years
what you did was clearly wrong
it was an uncredited rip of someone else's work
>The person who donated the minerstats platform to the community was anonymous.
you're a piece of shit
the author of that code did not gift it to you
again, you just ripped it and did the only modifications you are capable of: simple string replacements
>0xBitcoin hasn't seen any development since 2018
you're a piece of shit
anyone familiar with the project knows that's not true
what development would you even expect to see on an immutable smart contract
the development has been in related projects
>0xMonero is just a fork of 0xBitcoin
you're a piece of shit
nobody has ever said that 0xmonero is a fork of 0xbitcoin
0xmonero is a plagiarized version of 0xbitcoin
https://i.imgur.com/c5cf0MJ.png
you're a piece of shit
all you do is steal and lie

>>24979009
these are good questions
there is no reason whatsoever to think that any of that stuff would be private or protected
there is no code anywhere to make it private or protected
the people who sell 0xmonero just lie
they just say there are features that simply do not exist in any form
they plagiarized another project and then they make claims about it that simply aren't true
they sell crap based on hype

>>24979009
Do you have any way of identifying the owner or where his tokens go after they hit an exchange, dapp, L2, or token bridge?

No. You have no way of identifying the user unless they identify themselves to the public. You have no way of tracking tokens once they hit a platform because tokens themselves have no history, accounts do.

Read the link provided previously regarding how account based cryptos work.

>>24979063
Did the founder of Litecoin ask Satoshi for permission to fork? Did 0xBitcoin ask Satoshi for permission to use the name? Do you see how stupid your argument is now?

Slander is the last resort of a failed debater.

I checked out the 0xmonero telegram in the early days, hoping to find a tiny MC cap coin to moon with.

All I found was pajeets.

As you can see, nobody has bought it despite being shilled for months.

>>24979168
there is no debate
you show up and lie, i show up and tell the truth
most onlookers quickly figure out who is who
every time you talk, you make it a little easier to tell
fundamentally i'm betting people are reasonably smart
fundamentally you're betting that people are stupid
you are the enemy of everyone around you

>>24979277
Sure ya did. Anyone can visit the Telegram themselves and talk with the community, in English.

>>24979106
i think you're mistaking the term pseudonymous for anonymous
>Do you have any way of identifying the owner or where his tokens go after they hit an exchange, dapp, L2, or token bridge?
>You have no way of identifying the user unless they identify themselves to the public
you could literally apply this argument to any cryptocurrency
i don't see how this offers better privacy than monero

>>24979592
>i don't see how this offers better privacy than monero
good
it doesn't offer any privacy features of its own
there are no privacy features in 0xmonero!!!

>>24979649
he must have a heavy bag to desperately offload if he was going to write that much

>>24979592
"Anonymous means someone who can't be identified by name. Pseudonymous means someone who uses false name."

You cannot identify an Ethereum user unless he identifies himself or you are an IP or government official tracking the user's IP address. The network is anonymous.

The difference is, as previously described and linked, that account based cryptos do not require ring-ct and other abstractions because they do not track coin transaction history.

Account based cryptos have no token history and do not require features similar to what Monero utilizes when striving for privacy.

>>24979776
The price has already increased over 900% since mining started and I've only been accumulating. 0xMR is currently priced at under .05usd, my sell targets are 1usd, 5usd, and 10usd.

>>24979649
If you actually read what I stated previously you would see that I said 0xMR is the mining contract for 0xMonero and has some privacy features but is not the final privacy contract. 0xMR is for fair distribution of 0xMonero. There is no guarantee that 0xMR mining will continue until the supply limit is reached. The project will likely move to it's own chain before then.

Why doesn't 4chan accept Monero?

>>24974902
I used to like Monero but with recent news that feds are able to trace transactions I lost confidence. I sold my XMR stack for a scam called SAFEX that is literary an identical clone of Monero.

>>24979851
Lol stay poor fagtard

>>24979888
>I said 0xMR is the mining contract for 0xMonero and has some privacy features
name one privacy feature in the current 0xmonero contract
just one
again, i refer everyone to the complete diff of the 0xbitcoin and 0xmonero contracts:
https://i.imgur.com/c5cf0MJ.png

>>24974902
I havent ever been this comfy in my life, as some people are acting as chickens with their heads cut off, all people do is worry worry, fear fear fear. Im comfy as shit, makes me more comfy with all the retards trying to fud this shit lmao. DYOR niggers

You pajeets are working hard i see >>24975122

>>24980272
Idiot, this is the mining contract. Of course there is little difference since they use the same mining algorithm

>>24980272
I already described how privacy works on Ethereum in the numerous posts above. I made it very clear. If you are unable to understand the concept, that's not my problem.

>>24980440
>>24980461
the more you talk the clearer it is you are lying soulless idiot scammers

>>24980174
>i dont trust monero
>so i bought identical monero clone
you ok, anon? did you hit your head or smth?

also, please stop feeding (you)s to the literal pajeet scammer. hell go away to his shithole telegram soon enough if he wont get any attention.

anyways, wtf is up with xmr price lately? i bought a few k worth of monero thinking it will moon just like everything else, but it seems so stagnant. are there any news im missing?

>>24974902
PirateChain is better

>>24980723
0xMonero was created as a life raft for Monero. You may not understand that now, but you will.

>>24980743
PirateChain is great but I prefer 0xmr which I can buy directly from uniswap, most convenient monero alternative imo

>>24980828
bullshit
0xmonero wasn't even "created"
it was plagiarized
anyone can see that
you have no coders
that's why you steal
monero, which actually has valuable features, does not need to be "saved" by a project with no features by a scam crew with no coding skills

>>24980958
You are using a lot of IPs Karen. Keep bumping though, thanks.

>>24980723
Btc needs to cool off. Idk if you've noticed anytime btc dips even slightly we start gaining sats very rapidly.

>>24977689
Shut the fuck up nerdy white nigger

>>24981084
but mooooom, i want xmr to moon NOW!
on a more serious note, btc doesnt seem to be stopping any time soon. you think well keep bleeding sats and crabing fiat until btc hits a hard ceiling for this run?

Anyone got nice pics of the monero chick?

>>24981012
it is just an erc20 token riding the coat tails of xmr, you can't even come up with your own name or logo lol (I'm being petty I know but still you're retarded) and apparently copying 0xbitcoin, although idk shit about that project. You're just using "account based crypto" as a euphemism for erc20 token, so your token is literally not needed. As far as zk-snarks and mixers, there's a reason zcash as no adoption (also see:On the linkability of Zcash transactions) privacy by default is why xmr is king. Ring signatures, the discrete log problem, and all the other privacy features of xmr I'm not even gonna list in this already wall of text, haven't been "cracked" despite what retards like you repeat over and over, but vulnerabilities in hardware/firmware/software make that irrelevant anyway desu. So depending on what kind of adversary you're being surveilled by obviously simply using xmr isn't going to stop whatever jack booted thugs imho...
Now go back to posting about cats and spamming about how you're price out of xmr on reddit dumb fuck

>>24981012
also you're unironically a paranoid schizo and need to take your meds. I know I hate when people say that too since I'd say I have a self diagnosed schizoid personality and big pharma is a scam to keep us all poor and docile. But the xmr community is larger and stronger than you think. You're clearly new to this space, I can always tell by what someone's opinion is of xmr.

>>24980007
4chan is a honeypot

>>24981620
90% of nazis on /pol/ are false flag undercover FBI agents.

>pajeet nigger working overtime to promote the most obvious scam in crypto that dickrides in Moneros name
Bullish

liteally just woke back up guys lol

>>24978842
>the mcafee defense
make your own thread retard

WHY ARE WE DUMPIIIING, BITCOIN IS AT 24K WTFFFF