/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>24888649
why does the same not apply for men?

This story will be an everyday occurrence and female suicides skyrocket as we move into the next 30 years. The current wave of feminism only ends in absolute destruction, not just for females but humans as a whole.

>>24888649
My parents didn’t even have demanding careers and they still neglected us lol

>>24888724
A man can start a family much later than a woman. Women get significantly less attractive with age and after 30 have difficulty having children.

>>24888649
Kek, this show brainwashed a generation of millenial and gen X women.
Sad.

>>24888724
A female not bearing children is an anomaly, a male not siring children is the norm.

>>24888724
are you serious?
Men should obviously care about starting a family too, but men can have children (almost) all their lives. Pic related for women. Even if a woman still can get pregnant at 40 yo (no guarantee) there's a much higher risk of birth defects, autism etc. And that's if she even can find a decent guy to start a family with at that age. A succesful/ wealthy 40 yo woman has less sexual market value than a a cute 22 yo waitress. Men don't care really care about how wealthy/ succesful women are. Men are attracted to fertility (youth) and attributes associated with being a good mother.

Women, on the other hand, are attracted to success, power, wealth, confidence, influence etc. A decent looking succesful 35 yo guy has no problems finding a fertile 24 yo qt to setttle down with. a "succesful" 35 yo woman has to get very lucky to find a half-decent guy who hasn't been taken.

>>24888724
as soon as a female starts to bleed down there. she is on a ticking time bomb until her eggs become sterile. by age 40 the risk of having autistic kids gets higher and higher. and there is a wall women hit where their looks fade. if they wasted their youth on random guys instead of looking for a mate that wants to be around them even if they look old as shit and unattractive they as they age, they fucked up and become genetic dead ends 18 year olds use for practice.

>>24888965
Sad will be the women who grew up thinking they have time to do it all.

>>24888724
are you serious?
Men should obviously care about starting a family too, but men can have children (almost) all their lives. Pic related for women. Even if a woman still can get pregnant at 40 yo (no guarantee) there's a much higher risk of birth defects, autism etc. And that's if she even can find a decent guy to start a family with at that age. A succesful/ wealthy 40 yo woman has less sexual market value than a a cute 22 yo waitress. Men don't care really care about how wealthy/ succesful women are. Men are attracted to fertility (youth) and attributes associated with being a good mother. A 40 yo woman can't compete with a 22 yo girl no matter what.
Women, on the other hand, are attracted to success, power, wealth, confidence etc. and want a guy their age or older. A decent looking succesful 35 yo guy has no problems finding a fertile 24 yo qt to setttle down with. a "succesful" 35 yo woman has to get VERY lucky to find a half-decent guy who hasn't been taken. Women have tons of sexual market value in their teens and early/mid 20s. It's life on easy mode. But after that it goes down hill very quickly. A lot of women don't realize this and think all the attention they're getting in their teens/ early 20s will last forever. It won't. Find a good guy while you're still young and fertile.

>>24888893
Men start having autistic kids at 35, late father's have rekt sperm, look it up, you don't have nearly as much time as you think

>>24889498
t. roastie

>>24889498
Cope, doesn't change the fact they can get children until they die.

>>24889417
Only winners in current sexual culture are high status men. Everybody else loses in the long run.

>>24889498
Maybe this is why I'm mildly autistic.
My dad squirted me out when he was in his late 30's.

Thanks OP! I'm sure all the women on this board appreciate the headsup! Fucking incels lmao

>>24889498
dutton pls go

>>24889498
my dad is his 50s, had 2 sons by his 4th wife, both are curious and intelligent boys, reminds me of myself as a kid

>>24889629
Go back to dilating.

Women are useless beyond shitting put kids. This woman made some bland show for uptight cunts and fags to obsess over and now she realizes her ass should have been at home taking care of children. Oh well.

>>24889498
It's nowhere near as bad as for women. The study you looked at probably didn't adjust/ account for the age of the mother.

But even if it's true that men have "rekt sperm" (it's not, provide source), men can still easily have children at 35+ yo. Women can't. Men still have lots of sexual market value at 35+ yo if they're succesful and/ or decent looking. Women don't.

>>24889629
Kys you fucking cunt. I bet you spend your day riding plastic dildos

The same applies for men you retarded idiot. "Career first" hyper competitive guys end up alone.

That is, if they don't get a heart attack first.

>>24889851
t. lazy whore who has no skills and is past her prime age.

>>24889886
I'm a 24-year old man planning to start a family.

>>24889901
larp.

>>24889417
I personally don’t give a fuck. After I make it I’ll use men only for the occasional fuck. Then after I’m too old and unattractive I’ll happily live alone with my cats and hobbies without any men around. After all, women only need men for money and for nothing else.

>ignore 4 billion years of evolution to prove to everyone that you can wageslave just as well as any man

So funny and sad at the same time

>>24889924
Seethe. Cope.

>>24889591
This. Most guys, even “successful” guys with careers or whatever end up having to settle for roasties in their 30s. Yeah obviously as men get older, they almost all gain at least some value when it comes to women older than them or at least the same age (maybe a little younger) but what men really want (hot young things) get farther and farther out of reach the older they get, and age gap relationships are more and more socially unacceptable over time.

Yeah sure same age women get easier, but men aren’t aroused or excited by dating a tired old woman their own age: just as women aren’t excited by betas of any age.

Most older people end up settling both the men and the women and making each other miserable. Pro tip for older guys: just give up. It’s not just easier it’s also more dignified.

>>24889851
> "Career first" hyper competitive guys end up alone
No they don't. Of course a 35 yo 2/10 autist who focused on his career will have a hard time finding a good girl. But he would have had an even harder time finding a decent girl while he was an ugly poorfag sperg in his 20s.

A highly succesful 5/10 35 yo guy will have ZERO problems finding a decent girl.

>>24889851
The real redpill is never working hard, and taking it easy. Work hard? Why? For who? It’s all a social mindfuck, the Man wants you slaving away to keep the wheels turning. They don’t give a shit about you. And even if you have all the money, that won’t guarantee she puts or especially keeps putting out, and society is like an infernal machine designed to seperate good boy betas from their money.

I mean working to make money is sensible just for your own comfort and survival, but to attract women? It’s beta and pathetic. Doesn’t even work that well either.

>>24889498
Absolute bull shit. Larry king is on life support and his wife is 8 months pregnant. Men have no expiration date.

>>24890088
Define “good” girl.

>>24889851
Every bankerbro from b school has at least a wife if not a wife and kids. All my bosses up to the finserv company I work fors CEO has a family. You’re a maroon.

>>24890027
>just give up
kys

>>24889924
That's probably what the woman in OP's pic (and most other single career women) was thinking while she was in her 20s too. Most women who never have children end up regretting it deeply. You most likely won't feel the same when you're 38 as you do now. Baby fever will most likely set it as you get older..

>>24890088
>>24890164
>muh girl
It's not about sex you incel, it's about having a family and friends. Real friends, not workplace acquaintances or business partners.

There are fates worse than death. Like being surrounded by people but feeling alone.
>>24890133
This guy gets it.

>>24889498
>[Citation needed]

>>24889851
Women literally prefer men who are successful, can provide for them, and also look and act the part of manly men, in spite of the fact that girls sometimes say to the contrary. One of the most obvious examples that women dislike betas (based on observable evidence on 4chan) is the chud caricature, which mocks weak, unstable, and unattractive young men.

Ask yourself, if you just capitulate every time someone suggests a woman won't have sex with you because you have problematic opinions, you would be basing your thoughts around what you believe women will get you laid, rather than being your own man. For as long as I remember, this is stereotypical nice guy behavior, which women can detect and avoid like the plague.

Again you don't even have to go that far down the rabbit hole, because it's plainly obvious that women tend to be unsatisfied with beta men, and that has a lot to do with what men and women value in each other, as other posters have said. Men want pretty women who are nice to be around, and either avoid women who earn more money than they do or at the very least, don't give a damn how much money a woman makes (in most circumstances anyway), while women want men who have good careers, are emotionally stable, look good, and generally keep their lives stress free (and this VERY much includes being the leader in the household). Beta males fail at one or more of these things, especially at taking the lead in the relationship (use your imagination about how this looks, it doesn't have to be old archetypal family formats to apply), and thus women will hate them regardless of whether their opinions are "correct" or not.

Anyway, you are splitting hairs by playing a word game to make successful men sound like cloistered tinkers with no social lives, which is dishonest and certainly not the norm for successful men. Women make it easy for men they like. Betas have to chase women.

sex and the city is a tv show for hows who like to fuck around lol. she reflected herself by making that show, so she is having what the ordered ultimately.

>>24890133
this, you gotta work JUST enough to have financial independance -after that fuck working.

>>24890175
>give up

Give up implies trying in the first place. Let’s face it, the whole tradcuck marriage scene and the way most men end up mating and reproducing is inherently beta and submissive.

Now obviously being sexually attractive is biologically a sign of fitness in men, but fitting into some cookie cutter life milestones isn’t. There are all kinds of beta dorks who clearly don’t belong in the genepool but technically make it to marriage and kids because they dutifully follow society’s life script and are willing to put up with anything so they can reproduce. We’re not wild animals, so successfully breeding under these artificial conditions says more about your willingness to put up with bullshit than how strong, brave, beautiful or manly you are.

tldr most guys who successfully breed are responsible “good provider” nice guys, not killers. Now sure, killers usually do end up breeding somehow too, but anyway bottom line: not breeding doesn't mean you suck, anymore than breeding means you’re a great person.

>>24889667
Are they autistic too?

>>24889743
Mens sexual value peaks at 35.

>>24890133
I agree with you about trying to impress women with money. That only works if you're trying to bang whores or visit rekt city in divorce court. I'm not gonna hate too hard on banging whores, I wouldn't do it, but I figure it's reliable to get them.if you just flash your status.

That said, I think you're more likely to attract good women with your money if you focus on securing yourself, because what's most important is being comfortable in your own skin and showing that you can live acceptably without being a dumbass who buys a Lambo because other people who look cool did it and / or told you to do it. If you have money but live without glamour (respectable two floor home you own, on the way to rental properties, no debts, not wasting cash on opulence), and you don't try to impress women, I think you end up impressing women incidentally. Basically, just be a normal good person with a normal good life. Society be damned.

>>24888649
daily reminder that western civilisation is in the middle of collapsing completely and humans will be dying off in the billions within 20 years and having children is a mistake.

>>24889924
You say that now and then you'll be fighting crippling loneliness when you're 55+ years old and latching onto every person next you. As someone whose mentor is living your dream, please, don't do this. Please, get married.

>>24888649
most women now have no career and no children

>>24888649
I have this Boomer relative that fell for the "you can have it all" meme and now she's almost 60 and she's all alone. There was a man that really loved her back in the 80's, but she decided to blow him off thinking she could do better. She didn't.

>>24888724
>how are milk and wine different?

>>24889924
4/10 bait
>>24890758
Bluepilled idiot

>>24888649

Yeah I’m getting a late start. Had my first kid last year at 36 and hoping to have another next year at 38. Probably call it quits after 2. I’ll be an old man by the time they’re teenagers

>>24889591
How do you explain Johnny Depp?

>>24890370
Did you miss the part about “family”?

>>24890821
blue pilled idiot? I'm reconfirming the Sex and City author's poor life decision.

>>24888649 (OP)

damn the earth gonna be underwater by 2060 who the fuck gives a fuck about making a family anymore you faggot

>>24890758
>>24890787
I knew some of the most respected people in their fields (just under nobel prize level) and when they died they had no family and it was so depressing seeing all the awards, certificates, and handwritten letters from US presidents being given to randos.
"Success" isn't worth it.
"Making it" is.

>>24890397
>longwinded rationalization of why women are never accountable
>talks about leading women
Now you will respond with a circular argument about how everyone who disagrees with you is beta because they disagree with you.
This isn't highschool, stretching simple concepts to 500 words does not make you right. PUA died for a reason.

>>24890133
I had this revelation about a year ago.

I'm a desk jockey making 73k a year with no debt. I have no reason to work harder

I dont have a GF or any responsibilities besides my monthly expenses. I have no reason to work hard or to climb to corporate latter. The people who do all have debt (mortgage, car notes, student loans) and/or are married with kids.

I live relatively stress free, but sometimes do feel for a GF but then remember how vapid and impertinent wester women are

>>24890787
I feel really badly for girls now, not because they don't deserve the consequences for their actions, but because they start life in the euphoria phase and get encouraged early and often to ultimately do things that ruin their chance at happiness once they exit the easy phase of their lives and reality sets in that they're the physically weaker of the two sexes, and living alone sucks especially as a woman later in life. I feel bad because women are lied to about the consequences that come with their decisions to make it harder to save them from ruin, like a jailer locking them in prison.

>>24890870
Giving serious answers to bait is bluepilled.

>>24890760
Wait till trannies make their workplaces as insufferable as they made them for most males
They wanted women at the top, but will end up having mentally ill men with chopped off dicks as their bosses kek

>>24890676
I always just apply discipline and then ignore. Whenever any woman does something I disagree with.

>>24891031
Your response is really to put words in my mouth, rather than argue?

I have up on the family and kids meme. I'm 31 and literally every woman I met from 28-35 has had 10+ partners. No way I'm marrying a woman with more than one or two sexual partners. They all have strong feminist beliefs and have want their independence, but also want a man to take care of them. I'm just going to take my money and enjoy living an easy life with no wife it kids. Fuck the white race at this point. I'm not sacrificing myself at the alter of family court

>>24890864
He's too caring, even high status men can be manipulated by people with borderline personality disorder

>>24891322
Join a church and you will have a dozen under 25-year-old woman interested in you very quickly. I know it doesn’t sound ideal, but religious women want families and they don’t have a bunch of previous partners.

>>24891234
>You cut my argument off at the root, how could you do this to me?

It is sad. But it is also a) their fault and b) society's fault for believing in the odd fantasy that there is no such thing as gender roles, or that the whole thing is a construct. Dumb stupid humans always think they can do one over on mother nature, and natural law.

>>24891322
grow up you soft whining cunt

>>24891061
The real problem with women these days is that nobody tells them anymore when they're wrong. And when you try to, they sperg out on you. They've been told their whole lives what they're supposed to want instead of following what their heart is telling them. Some of them are so stubborn, that they would rather get divorced and die at 50 from a heart attack from trying to support their kids on their own than to admit that they were wrong. The sad part is that we've reached a point now where we see that all of the Boomer ideas were a complete failure, and you have these old, demoralized single alcoholic Boomer women running around like lunatics.

>>24891172
I don't subscribe to this philosophy totally. The law puts men in a naturally tough position which I would prefer to use legal instruments like a family trust for the estate (so other parties possess the assets that produce wealth along with me), and prenuptials that exclude the woman from entitlement to my family's estate (because she didn't earn any of it), but entitles her to be taken care of as long as she stays faithful / stays married.

I have seen instances where ignoring a spouse temporarily works, but usually that requires having access to multiple dwellings so you have somewhere else to go, and even that is rather suspect, so I'm not a fan and it coincides more with FWB type relationships. The best move in most cases is to just be stoic when shit gets hairy in a marriage.

>>24891463
You're a liar

>>24889851
Except I don't know of a man that thinks a career is the only worthwhile thing he can have in life

>>24891095
lmao rolling for a check on this

>>24891692
That's oversimplifying, I know and I'm sure a lot of people know men who have sacrificed their social lives and social skills in favor of autistic focus on their careers.

>>24891783
I'm in college for engineering and even in that field it seems like it's only women obsessing over their career and just wanting to make money

>>24891943
I've seen a lot of women in this field last 2 years working then move over to some HR/Management role. Predictable

>>24891044
>revelation
The reason you want to stack money is to give yourself options down the line. The money won't buy your happiness or women but it will buy your freedom. At this point the most important thing I feel is to have enough money to be comfortable to stop waging and still have a nest egg to start a family when the right woman rolls around.

>>24891943
Two reasons for that:

In college, women are in essence, exclusively told to be strong and go into the workforce to advance their careers, while conversely colleges liken traditional womanhood to slavery and barbarism, so you get girls who believe what they're taught and it reflects that way

Men might not obsess over trying to earn money but they become what I like to call a "tinkerer", where the real nerds just fall in love with their work or passion and they spend a ton of time on it. It's a comparable phenomenon to video game addiction only that they're obsessed with something very profitable instead. This usually requires the person has some antisocial predispositions. It's not common at all.

>>24888649
They do not put career over having children when they say "they jut want to focus on career" it means “I just do not want to settle down with a loser beta incel right now. I am still waiting for chad".

>>24892026
>Money buys you freedom
Through most of history this has been a fact of life and we are returning to this trend quickly. Most people on /biz/ and in life are blissfully unaware. You need to be debt free and able to either have millions in your estate, OR have a high earning job before the door to high society slams shut, else you are stuck in the underclasses.

>>24891574
No, I mean ignore not run.

>>24890027
>This. Most guys, even “successful” guys with careers or whatever end up having to settle for roasties in their 30s.

That’s the problem, if men respected themselves they wouldn’t scoop up chads old cum rag, they’d make sure the roastie suffers the proper consequences for her whorish past and ensure she dies alone. the reason wh\y women are the \way they are is because men enable them.

>>24888724
because a family can work if only one person has a career and most men are better at it than most women

>>24891385
The right answer is status has nothing to do with it. Women are never held accountable and want for nothing.
The problem is the state and women being feral. If your argument is 'he's too nice to his loved ones' your beliefs are wrong and part of the reason society is collapsing. We are supposed to have laws to limit toxic male AND female behavior. The proliferation of sex pests and whores over traditional family structure shows the law has completely failed in the most basic tenet of ensuring stable societal structure and should be removed by force.

why she will not adopt some

>>24892240
When women say this it usually means they want to bang Chads and not have kids because it's a really enjoyable life until they start to feel the biological clock ticking.

If a """Chad""" tries to change a woman who wants to be independent, odds are she will not change for him either, but it's a possibility. Not changing a woman like that is the right thing IMO, but I would say if you can score a date with a career minded girl cool. Better to just live life than live it by a checklist and never take chances. I wouldn't want to try and impose on a girl who wants a career though, and chalk it up to incompatibility in the event we don't get serious.

>>24891234
Women need to be held accountable. They don't need to understand why, they just need to understand there will be consequences. Most people are too stupid to understand why.

>>24888649
Wonder what’s going to happen with all the left over women. Will there be mass suicides in future?

>>24892508
I agree with you, but I never said that women can't be held accountable. My musing was just observing their nature. You don't hate a woman for being a woman, but that doesn't mean she can do no evil.

>>24888649
>>24888728
How do we profit from this?

>>24892578
I'm glad we agree. I am sick of seeing good family men attacked when the scorn should fall on the cunts and courts that ruined him.

>>24892616
open a gigolo escort agency

>>24892508
>>24892578
To elaborate a little further, I have heard women described as "solipsistic" due to their emotional nature, and while I am skeptical of the PUA guy who I heard that from on most things, this guy got it right here. Hence why in another post on another chain I was talking about using legal and financial instruments via contracts and a trust to allow me to be on equitable terms with her in compensation for modern law's failure.

Compared to hundreds of years ago, I do wonder how much of our problems with relationships between sexes is a consequence of female nature and how much of it is due to indoctrination of society against the natural order. It may be that women in another age, while still with the same nature, were more competent citizens than the incompetent citizens we see now. I am agnostic to what is true here, but it would be a sickening irony if the truth is that we just fill women's head with garbage that they have become such bad citizens that we begin to question their natural agency.

>it's another incels hating women thread
Go get laid you fucking nerds

>>24892657
Max Bialystock spotted

>>24892844
I know this is bait, but wouldn't it be hateful to the woman in the OP by writing her pain off

>>24892793
>I am agnostic to what is true here, but it would be a sickening irony if the truth is that we just fill women's head with garbage that they have become such bad citizens that we begin to question their natural agency.
How is the answer not obvious. Look at women in the 20s and prior (before the right to vote). That's all the evidence you need. They have had their heads filled with pseudo-equalitarian trash without suffering he consequences that come with it, so they turned into a bunch of entitled children

>>24892844
Bend over

>>24888724
Because only men can be incels

The older I get, the happier I am with my business and not being tied down and wasting energy on family bullshit. Why is starting a family such a high priority for you guys?

>>24892917
That is strong proof for your argument which I'm inclined to believe, but imagine we went back further in history through the Plymouth Colonies in America, and even further back to the late Medieval and Early Renaissance periods in Europe, would the same trend hold true? At times prior to suffragettes I have seen evidence that may suggest the contrary was more common than is seen in the past hundred years.

Why do we have incel whining threads on /biz/ when /r9k/ and /pol/ are just one click away?

That's like making shitcoin threads on /v/

>>24891390
>religious women want families and they don’t have a bunch of previous partners.

hahahahhaha

HAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

>>24893083
People want what they can never have

>>24893083
I believe it's worthy attempting to be the patriarch of a well raised family tree that helps to undo the mess we've created in this world.

>>24892917
Yes. Take any group of people, remove accountability and in a few generations they become trash.

>>24893111
The point of this thread started off as claiming women are unhappy with dedicating themselves to careers and the single life... Which is true and stats back it up

A lot of the rest is discussion of solutions financially or otherwise on how to try and make a happy family in an inhospitable environment (due entirely to the law)

It's sorta like a "where did it all go wrong?" type deal right now

>>24889851
Nah. Men can still start families at retirement age if they want to. Women's ability to have healthy children rapidly goes down after the age of 30.
Women are ready to have babies at 18.
Earlier really, but 18 is a good age. Women start to decline in their 20s. It's no one's fault. Just the way it is. Have babies then have a career. But spend time with your kids. Raise them well. Women really shouldn't start careers until they're in the 40s. Leaves them a good solid 30 years to work if they want

>>24889498
lol no, men start having autistic kids around 50, women at 35. A woman at 45 can't even have kids, their autism range is a decade before that.

>>24893083
>Why is starting a family such a high priority for you guys?
Because I don't want to be a genetic dead end.

Creating value for others (through a business, paying taxes, or whatever) and then leaving no kids behind is the ultimate form of cuckoldry. Literally your entire existence was for the benefit of someone else's kids. I can't imagine a worse form of cuckoldry than this.

>>24893551
Then don't. Create value for others, that is. You can do what you want, man.

>>24889498
Autism can be good.
My dad was 40 and my mom was 36 when i was born. If it wasnt for autism i wouldnt have made it.
Its matter of luck if you get slightly beneficial high iq autism or if you turn out a full crayon eating sperg

>>24893575
I'm having kids, so my job and side-business create value for them.

Thank you, though, for working hard so my kids can reap the labors of your existence. Really appreciate it man.

>>24893441
Starting a family at retirement age is a terrible idea. By that age you don't have the energy to take care or play with the kids, you'll miss out their adulthood and the generational gap will be too wide to relate in certain aspects.

The ideal age to have children is the mid-20s.
>b-b-but muh career!
Careers are dehumanizing. Jobs are depersonalization.

>>24893852
That is why I will be retiring at 40

>>24893812
I already said earlier ITT that I don't and have no intention of working hard.

>>24888893
>>24889095
>>24889417
Do you want to be 70 when your son is 20?

If you don't have a wife and kids yourself, you really have no right to criticize others for doing the same thing as you. Everyone who's single should stop posting immediately.

>>24894446
I don't. I mean, desu, I do actually agree with the tradcucks ITT that women are exceptionally likely to regret not having children.

But I can absolutely understand the desire not to be suffocated and tied down, and wouldn't criticize anyone for foregoing it.

>>24889924
Why even bother with men? Just get a dog or two, or even more if you want. They'll fuck you two or three times a day each. You can spend every waking moment with enormous cocks in two holes at a time if you want (it's really hard to do airtight, dogs just don't understand the whole "get underneath on your back and knot her in the ass" bit).

For guys, bitches take a little time and care to get them used to it, but once you show them how enjoyable it is, they're insatiable.

I'm not joking, I'm entirely serious. Unless you're allergic to dog semen (really, it's a thing) dogs are simply the superior sex partner for both women and men.

>>24890133
Based and redpilled
No matter what your gender, race or upbringing may be if you are born in the western world you should make taking it easy and doing as little as possible (when it's not about a hobby /sport/thing you like) your motto

>>24888724
If you have money you can still hang fresh young things at whatever age as a guy

>>24891061
I’ve had two cat ladies in my apartment building over the past 3 years and live on a street with tons of cuties, they all have Dogs instead of boyfriends it seems. I remember grinding my ass off stacking up money to put into crypto when i was alone, felt unable to have a relationship/make a connection with any women and just wanted one to put in the slightest amount of effort beyond playing with their hair or darting their eyes at you..... after I grinded and worked on myself I got that. Now with a great GF/relationship when I see those women on my street I see victims of Jewish trickery that were told they don’t need no man and they are stronk. I have some sympathy but also a sense that if they wanted to be treated like adults they need to start acting like it and taking some accountability/risks instead of drowning in Netflix shows and wine.

>>24894030
Don’t take it personal some people are like animals that see no purpose in life beyond reproducing. They have no great dreams or goals beyond wage cucking so starting a family is a nice cope for mediocrity in that they no longer need to take any big risks or go on the hero’s journey because “I have a wife and kids to look after”. Nothing wrong with that if that’s what you want out of life but people that act like it’s the peak of the human experience are small minded IMO.

>>24893852
Yea it's not a good idea to start a family at 65. But you could if you really wanted to. But well into your 40s is ok. I had my first kid when I was 23 though.

>>24888649
finally, queen of roastie culture said the truth. good!

>>24888724
It does, but men rarely scoff at the chance to have a relationship with women. The whole sex and the city thing was about showing women they should live their life to the full, get the career in the big city and go out every night. This was directly suggesting women should forego having and prioritising a family. The same applies to men, but the “bachelor” lifestyle is significantly less glamour attached to it, especially after 30. I do feel for women who were led to believe that lifestyle would make them happy. Clearly it isn’t as glamorous as the show suggests

>>24889498
my dad was 43 when she squirted out my sister and I and neither of us turned out with any mental ailments or deformities. my mom was 25.

>>24888649
Are you a woman since you care so much about what women are doing?

>>24889498
my dad was 43 when he squirted out my sister and I and neither of us turned out with any mental ailments or deformities. my mom was 25. a lot of my childhood friends had old dads as well and none of them had autism.
barron trump seems like it though but his mom was also in her mid 30s

>>24889498
>implying autism is bad

>>24891390
I went to church and ended up marrying an 18 year old virgin. However, Christianity is a massive waste of time and money so I wouldn’t recommend this to anyone who isn’t prepared to make some sacrifice

>>24889924
>I’ll happily live alone with my cats
Baiting hard there bro

>>24888649
I'm a middle-aged man and am alone for the same reasons. Also I'm painfully shy.

>>24892616
Invest in wine, cat food and pharmaceutical companies

>>24896873
You don't have a cunt though so it's statistically normal for you to remain alone. A woman has to actively sabotage their chances at avoiding loneliness for decades to end up alone.

>>24896873
SSSSSSH THIS IS 4CHAN YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO THROW SHIT AT WOMEN

>>24897001
I do have a cunt. He's my roommate from Austrlaia.

>>24896873
but desu if you focused on career as a man and are single, you're probably just super unattractive.

>>24897066
Heyoo. There's hope for you yet.

>>24888728
man, that pic is some golden cope for being a beta incel.

Women are being reduced to hoes and housewifes.
Corporate society is collapsing.
University enrollment is falling.
Women will learn they either marry or sell their pussies.
There is no in-between.
The feminist narrative is failing.
The only systems of support left for women are simps and government handouts.
Simps will be shamed by society.
Governments can be controlled by revoking woman's voting.

Gilead anyone?

>>24897701
This book was literal propaganda against wanting to be a housewife by portraying it as slavery

Meanwhile in real life marriage is being used to take wealth created by men and give it to women due to a whole host of unequitable situations under the law. That's not even getting into the topic of abortions, which men are guilty of too, but women are the primary gatekeepers of sex and conception of child.

>>24897861
I'll be honest, only watched the Netflix adaptation. I'm expecting my firstborn soon and my wife willingly gave up her career to turn our house into a home and raise our child. Seems to be a natural instinct.

>>24888724
It does. a lot of people replying say men can have kids all their lives, but after 35 the chance of mutation in your sperm goes up dramatically. Don't leave it too late bros, you don't want autistic children.

>>24897989
I've heard that book cited as a justification for feminism before to say that the old ways are cruel and barbaric, as if it was journalism, which idiots also love citing Upton Sinclair's book The Jungle as justification for their idiotic ideas even though that is a fictional book too.

>>24894446
This is an anonymous basketweaving weeb image board. You're supposed to exchange and trade ideas regardless of your background. How do you think this site became as renowned as it is now?

>>24889498
My father was 62 when I was born, and while I am somewhat unconventional in disposition I am very successful and have no problems meeting women nor earning money. My younger brother is a turbo-chad.

>t. 23 year old, $200k annual income

>>24898349
How did he find your mother?

>>24898388
She was my father's secretary, she was 30 when she had me. They are still happily married now and now she is the one that works and brings in money while my father is semi-retired.

>>24897861
Good for them

I don't get threads like this. If you really believe women are all selfish, deceitful, annoying, have the intelligence of a child, and need constant babysitting, why do you so desperately want female companionship? If I hated women that much I wouldn't even talk to them, let alone want to be married to one.

>>24898465
Your dad is the definition of based

>>24898662
Because it has nothing to do with hatred. The law is literally unfair to men and we teach women to compete directly with men and ignore their nature which makes everyone unhappier (this is statistically true and measurable by the decade in the USA for men and women). For most of us we naturally want happy families, and that's in our human nature. Men and women.

You are believing a lie that somehow this is hatred for women, when the real hatred is training them to hate their own nature until they realize it's too late.

>>24898662
>>24898901
Most of us aren't desperate either. We all want women who respect themselves and respect us

>>24889498
Great, so I'll have a friend

Share your reviews/comments about DuckDAO?

Found Medium article about their Crypto Incubator, seems open, share your opinion about it.

>>24898901
>>24898951
Dude, you spend so much of this thread complaining about women, trying to prove you're better than them, whining about how they live their own lives, etc. How much time do you spend silently seething about them? You let women control your life. You're subservient to them

>>24898465
tell your dad to pick it up

>>24889924
We're reaching levels of cope that shouldn't even be possible

>>24899451
The amount of incels in this thread

>>24898465
Holy based

>>24889095
>by age 40 the risk of having autistic kids gets higher and higher
Mandatory vaccines undoubtedly contribute to this

>>24888724
because womens value to men declines rapidly as she ages, while men are still valued for their wealth. It's better for the kids, society and themselves that they don't work and stay at home.

>>24889924
lol women deal with isolation worse than men, cope

>>24888728
>female suicides skyrocket
I just woke up it's to early to fucking fap jfc anon

>>24898014
>mentions one poor study which only showed a difference of about 1%
>study took zero confounding variables into account
don't fall for the bullshit anon
unless you that is b8, in which case you got me to reply.

>>24900768
>I just woke
That's literally the best time for it

>>24897152
Care to refute any of it then? Sounds pretty accurate to me and I have a gf

>>24893441
>Women are ready to have babies at 18.
The hard truth is that most girls are able to have children at age 12

Terrible Advice.

I know some religious women who are the biggest sluts imaginable

>>24898662
Women often have no idea what they want. Even something as simple as choosing a fucking restaurant can be a Herculean effort for them. Few would outright admit that they love a man who takes charge and tells them where they are going and what they are doing. The man is the leader in the relationship and this "gender equality third wave feminism" is a Jewish trick meant to destabilize the backbone of any civilization (the nuclear family) by convincing women to ignore their own genetic instincts bulwarked by tens of thousands of years of sociocultural roles by forgoing something women are inherently better at then men: rearing children and taking care of the home (which is no small feat and indeed, I would argue, perhaps the most important and difficult job a person can have). Instead, they have been convinced to act not in their own best interests by ignoring their natural instincts and they in turn become miserable and without meaning by the time they hit 35, despite having all the wealth and career goals they could want. And because THEY are now bitter and unhappy, they must make all the men they meet unhappy as well, which in turn, makes men not even bother putting in effort for women who hate them, which causes a positive feedback loop of women hating men even further, etc. until civilization collapses and the natural roles are taken up by force and necessity.

The greatest trick (((they))) ever pulled was convincing people that happiness was achieved in doing the exact opposite of what nature intended.

Anyone here think that they shouldn't have kids? I'm kind of ugly and im socially retarded. I did get lucky with crypto but I don't have anything else going for me

>>24899375
Did you even fucking read what he wrote, gynoid? You will never be a woman, dilate, etc.

>>24901943
Have sex incel

>>24902332
Your pussy will never be more than a rotting gaping flesh wound tranny freak

>>24901906
Okay so tell a woman all this and lead her like a real man instead of writing essays on 4chin

On the one hand you're probably right to a certain extent. On the other hand you're a frothing incel hoping that girls suffer because you're too socially inept to get your pee pee touched by one so nobody gives a fuck.

>>24888649
women are a depreciating asset.
If you're a man you should never buy one.
renting is cheaper.

>>24902412
You peenis will never be touched by a woman. Nor will it be touched by one of these trannies you fantasize about so much.

>>24902447
The Jews are doing enough work sowing suffering in the female gender. We arent doing anything except pointing out where they went wrong

>>24902488
lol you're brain is so fried you can only think in terms of sex XD what a braindead neanderthal loser you are XD

I'm a medical student and truly terrified of not being able to have a family. I won't be in a good position financially or time wise until I'm like 34, so realistically my only choice is to find a young wife or risk having a retard

>>24902534
By that time you should be financially set. You can easily pull a prime 25 year old by that time.

>>24902534
Find a woman that is 18-20 before her brain gets fried by the cock carousel and Jew propaganda. Do your best to protect her from the ills of society and dont let society scare you into thinking marrying a young woman as a mature man is shameful, that's just NPCs spouting off their Jewish programming and keeping us from birthing strong children

>>24901336
Should i convert to Islam?

>>24889498
This anon is correct. Don't know why do many got triggered by it. Honestly you all sounds like coping roasties. Literally using exact same arguments about why it's fine to have kids when you're middle aged.

>>24890640
Operative word here is PEAK. Women peak at 18, they only go downhill

>>24890133
This is how I live, I think I'll make it the slow way eventually, probably mid 50's as it a result of investments, pension and inheritance. In the meantime I work a fairly menial job but actually do almost zero work and conserve my energy for my family and interests.

>>24888728
MAN ID

>>24894253
>Do you want to be 70 when your son is 20?

-------A man CAN start a family much later than a woman.

Read this again and stop drinking while browsing 4chan, he is saying it is an available option, he is not saying he will do it

If you want strong sons full of vigour, you must start your family young

>>24900862
It was a 6thfold increase from 20s to over 40s. Although its a small chance to begin with and is still a small chance afterwards.

>>24888724
because men need a career to start a family

>>24888724
Because men are men. Men can find fulfillment in other aspects of life. Men are independents. Women aren't, they rely on men or at the very least social interaction.

Its sad but a man could be a complete degenerate in his teens, become a career man and then find a passion for making art in his 60's. He doesn't even need his art to be recognized to enjoy it and dedicate his life to making a masterpiece. Thats not how women work though, so much so that if you are a woman and reading this, you're probably imagine the man I just described becoming famous for his masterpiece instead of it collecting dust in some basement.

>>24901906
This guy gets it

>>24902522
Better than only being able to think abouts trannies XD

>>24902332
>>24902446
>>24902488
Fucking kek

If you are serious, which I think you are; you're not the first bastard I've talked to who lorded his shit opinions over me than threatened me by saying women won't love me for my opinions, something I actually predicted earlier in the thread; then you are a fool whose entire argument is predicated under the assumption that feminism is right and makes women happier. Again, statistically over the decades in the USA male and female happiness has gone down, in correlation with changes in family law, the tangible shortening of marriage, and increase of feminist friendly philosophies.

The law is not equitable. Financially if you want to have a woman around you must think about how to protect your assets, because the law gives women default power over the family finances and authority over the kids. The divorce rate, infidelity rate, and rate of which spouse initiates divorce in the USA all indicate that women are incapable of wielding this power responsibly. Here I don't hold it against women, because it's not in their nature to be stoic or decisive.

Notice how user ID grmT5 interprets this as hatred against women in spite of evidence that suggests these are unbiased observations to a real phenomenon. To him, he's the one ascribing untrustworthiness, cunning, and inferiority to their behavior. As I've said this whole time, you don't hate women for their nature. It's why I love women.

>>24904583
This

>>24902332
>>24902446
>>24902488
>>24905058
What is truly being subservient to feminism is being so worried that your opinions are problematic that you listen to users like grmT5 and change your opinions for fear you won't get any sex. And make no mistake, these same people will deride you for that kind of behavior too. Look at how Belle Delphine simps are treated by Feminists and progressives. The men who fall for her trap are mocked as pathetic. Women hate you for being submissive because you aren't providing with the love their nature craves. Plainly, the people telling you to "have sex incel", hate you, and hate you for being a man regardless of what you do. They make caricatures out of you when they're young and haven't been sacked in divorce court, but look at men who got married, had kids, and lived to thirty or older. Talk to them about what their lives are like and you stop hearing this hatred, because they were subjected to all of it.

>>24889608
Lol. My dadade me with his gf at 55.

>>24902332
>>24902446
>>24902488
>>24905058
Feminists will try to trivialize you for thinking about all this stuff elaborately, and here's the thing: if you run the risk of never having sex, take that risk. It's better to be alone in this society as man, away from bad women and the family courts, than to be desperate and lose your wealth to these institutions. The whole insult about not getting sex is translated to mean, "Undesirable, badly raised, badly behaved women will not want to be in your company.", To me that sounds like a good thing. I've got a hobby that exposes me to a lot of hippie girls, and I've had a few over the past two years want to fuck me. Trust me when I say, you don't want to do it. No amount of blue balls would convince my brain to stick my genitals in that much crazy. And if you wanna make it financially and still have hopes of realizing your nature too, of having the family, then don't get discouraged by these freaks. Their suicide rate and depression rate is considerably higher than the norm for a reason.

And this is how it all relates to /biz/:

For men, you need to think about marriage like starting a company so your family estate is safe from family courts, and you don't get a bad business partner (read: "wife")

For women, you need to think about how you're spending your time and the consequences of your choices in life. Do you want to spend your fertile years forgoing motherhood? The choice is yours, and if you want to work your way up the ladder in the business sector, now is the best time to do it, but realize that your young and fertile years are limited, and many, many women are left unhappy when they skip those years. I don't think you or I should measure ourselves against the top 0.1% of people as the Chad and Stacy memes tend to reflect, but you will probably miss finding the type of young men who are / could become great later in life if you choose your career over children and marriage.

>>24903297
Most guys on 4chan are just hoping and praying that by 40-50 they'll be able to bang those 16 year olds they've been fantasizing about since high school

>>24888724
because you can be fulfilled and socially relevany by perfecting a craft

>>24889498
What you read
>men over age 43 have a 100% increase chance of Down's Syndrome babies
The actual math
>Men go from 1/700 chance to having a Down's baby to 1/350
Congratulations, a statistician successfully lied to you

>>24905157
What hobby is it buddy?

>>24905084
>>24905125
>>24905157
Nigga what the fuck

Seriously, what do you spend your time doing? Getting mad about how women lives their lives? Seething about how you know so much better than them? And while you're doing all this they aren't thinking about you at all. If you ever nutted up tried to say all of this shit to a real woman she'd laugh at you and leave. They do what they want, and you cry about it instead of just doing what you want. You are 100% inferior to them, because you've chosen to be.

>>24905161
I'd also like to point out that people such as this fool don't try to argue or reach an understanding, they spend their whole time fighting to make you feel self conscious so you shut up, or angry so you slip up and they can ridicule you. Just ignore this fool and keep pressing on. If this is a woman talking she's on the clock, if it's a man talking he'll have his balls metaphorically guillotined off soon enough, and if he's s tranny who did that literally, it's likely he's gonna kill himself for such a grievous crime like self mutilation.

They are trying to make you and your future wife unhappy. Accept the risk of no sex, you don't need gross women fucking you to be happy.

The love of my life got liver cancer. I fear she will not live another year, but I have seen the best of feminity in her. When I needed it, she gave me comfort, but she loved me for who I am, because she saw who I was before and where I'm going. I didn't have to play games for her to want to be with me, she always made it easy. So, I know that the good women are out there. We would have had a good family together. I was gonna graduate college and move us out to a really nice town near New York City.

I'm in the process of watching cancer take away the rare woman who makes you understand the Catholic reverence for Saint Mary, or the way the French loved Joan of Arc. To me the way she acted was so unlike all this noise we've seen in here. Even now she's taking her chemo and surgery in stride. You might think this is too convenient for this thread, but what I'm telling you is true, short of doxxing us.

So, I don't care about these combative buffoons anymore. I know real love between men and women is attainable. We can be happy. Don't listen to these degenerates telling you you're pathetic for questioning feminism. I don't care at all about sex anymore, I am a man and it's in my nature to want it, but I mean I don't need sex from anyone anymore. This peace you can find is better.

>>24905290
I'm a musician.

>>24905349
You don't even know. I don't force my way upon anyone, I just voluntarily walk away. You're the one trying to cow us into changing our ways by demeaning our nature and threatening us with a lack of sex. As I said earlier you are here to fight us and try and make us angry, I doubt you're even reading or thinking about what is being said. There is no convincing you. I'm just here for posterity's sake. To be a successful and fulfilled man, you must break away from the status quo to protect your assets and your sanity.

>>24889417
Your chart is inaccurate. According to this, the man and woman eventually achieve an equilibrium point. However, most women for their entire lives are valued more by society than men. As a man, your societal worth is determined largely by your ability to provide (i.e. make money). A male who is a neet loser at 16 and does nothing for 20 years will have an even lower SMV than his 16-year-old self. The bottom 25% of males are pretty much worthless their entire lives and will never amount to anything.

>>24905857
This is where I break from SMV thought. Yes, I get it's trying to make sense of modern relations between men and women, and so it's hard to deny the point it serves, but I don't think you are worthless because you were born ugly or have a terrible condition, self imposed or otherwise, that makes you repulsive to society.

>>24904330
doesn't even matter. it really was a poor use of statistics and hardly took into account any confounding variables with any significant data/experiments. this means they just make generalized statements based on the data they play around with. now I am not doubting that sperm quality is unaffected by the health of someone, that is a different story.

at the end of the day you could simply state that being an unhealthy male (typical chronic poor lifestyle and toxin exposure) will most probably lower your sperm quality. you could also state that being an 'older' unhealthy male would probably reduce the quality even further due to prolonged poor lifestyle , but to what degree we are not really sure. even the poor studies don't show that much of a difference.
obviously just aim to be healthy as possible and you can probably pump out chad type loads until whenever.

>>24888724
Because women select for rich men. Men don’t select for rich women.

Also women are quite literally programmed to desire children. Men want them too but female bodies are chemically driven to create babies. Women can’t deny that drive any more than a man can deny his hunger or thirst.

>>24889498
Good maybe they will invest in something like BTC or LINK in their timeline

>>24888724
Because women literally won't give you the time of day if you flip burgers you dumb slut.

>>24905857
Men don't give a single fuck about society though, society is literally just "work until you die, maybe you'll get laid but if you don't it's because you're an incel loser". I'm not gonna say holding shitcoins and hoping for a 100x is better or smart, but there are no jobs right now so fuck it.

>>24906550
There is some point here though, what kind of moral problems would a guy who's on into his late 30s or early 40s, might not have much going for him at that point? I respect that not everyone can be wealthy; that's not my measuring stick as I'm learning you can do everything right and still need more luck. But, what about a raging alcoholic who's got his life off track, or a middle aged man who lives with his mother still? You can say they don't care about society, but their moral problems won't let them escape from some of the truth in SMV. That much, I do agree with. I just don't agree with the lambo toting, sunbathing assholes who participate in PUA. They're right on some points but they seem vain to me.

>>24906869
>lives with his mother still
>middle aged
>30s

Protip: half of 30 year olds live with their parents now, boomerstein. It's weird how shutting down the economy makes it impossible for people to live the 1980s economic boomlife in the city, huh?

>PUA

It's called "stop being ugly and pathetic" boom, you get a girlfriend.

>>24888724
Because men don't need to devote 9 months + be fertile + be mature enough to nurture and properly train a baby while still being young enough to have the energy to do so. Men can literally be in their 50s and easily start a family and raise kids as long as they have the resources to do so. Women don't have that luxury.

>>24890696
based doomer

>>24889498
lol which has very weak correlation even the studies concluded that

not with women though, autism and women age has high correlation

not to mention that men can reproduce till their 70's lol

>>24897152
>>24900971
>no arguments
>uses incel word to shame man
He can't because he will never be a women and he needs to dilate.

>>24893463

>>24889498