/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>24816171
Sounds like you suck ass at software fren. I make fat dollars and actually work on cool shit.

nice rant anon. are you mad because trump lost for good today?

>>24816171
>The people are bland and everyone is a fucking nerd dweeb.
Kinda sounds like you're projecting your own insecurities bud. If I were you I'd try to get into the tech startups scene.

>>24816220
>nice rant anon. are you mad because trump lost for good today?
Shillbot.ai has encountered a problem with logic matrix

>>24816171
>I just want to be a normie Chad
Then become one.

>>24816171

100% agree. it is not fucking normal to spend your entire day thinking about singletons and factory methods and the architecture of new Javascript frameworks.

I get that its good money but its not worth it when you have to devote all your mental energy to something completely autistic and inhuman.

just my 2 cents, im sure the resident code monkeys will rage and call me dumb but whatever

cool so you want to push numbers around, fantasize about a nonexistent job where you do nothing all day and fuck women, and are envious of people that actually create value in society

except the chaddest of chads are in tech sales making millions. it is the equivalent of investment banking in 80s/90s now
if you're missing out on this it is nobody's fault but yours

>>24816263
What should you be thinking about then?

>>24816222
,>tech startup scene

Fuck startups. Overgrown manchildren wearing hoodies over the age of 30, covering their bald spots with man buns, looking to "disrupt" some shitty industry with "muh machine learning". Design a product that looks and feels the exact same because everyone is operating under the exact same empathy design paradigm, no solid business model, shitty perks, garbage work life balance, and insufferable reddit fags. Filled with basedboys with asian girl fetishes gtfo

>>24816278

Lots of potential things. History, macroeconomics, politics, culture, communication, leadership, psychology, game theory,. and on and on. These things actually have some relationship to the human condition and human desire. They are things that are actually interesting to talk and know about and give you some insight into human behavior.

Literally no one cares about the clever php hacks you spent months thinking about and implementing on the back end, they are just gonna be pissed off when your code doesn't work, and never appreciate or recognize your effort or knowledge.

>>24816268
>and are envious of people that actually create value in society

In case you haven't noticed the people who actually create value in society get treated like dogshit. Always. All the blue-collar workers and engineers who make your life possible, all the builders, looked upon like insects. Hell people just look at surgeons as walking wallets.

People only care about you if you're charismatic and good looking. That's why a nigger with a rap album gets more adoration by the public than a white or Asian man who writes software to literally save lives

Fuck society. Fuck spending hours writing code so w*men can be bisexual and polyamorous and ruin political discourse on social platforms engineered bg the men they shit on

Fuck it all

>>24816171
Yeah.
It's not natural for humans to sit 8 hours pero day writing code.

>He would trade being smart for being a normie and is burning up about it

Invest that energy into becoming who you want to be.

>>24816171
Bank tech is normal. But couple fags and negros for diversity sake. "Let Deonte take a look at it before you commit that..." "Deonte, how is the UX/UI?" "Is finna alright"

>>24816413
Sometimes making a good ranting shitpost and arguing in its defense is a step towards becoming the person you want to be

>>24816413
Being a 90 IQ black is better than being a 120 IQ white in clown world. I want off this ride NOW. REEEEEEEEEE

>>24816366
The counter to this is through tech though. Maybe if all the dudes who thought like you would man up and build their own empires/platforms to rival the recent "culture" that we see from sois and whores, you'd actually gain some traction. But no, while those sois are building twitter with my little pony shirts on, guys like you will work irrelevant jobs fade into mediocrity and then complain like a good boomer when you retire about the sois and how they ruined society. At least the r*ddit fags have the determination and drive to make the world in their image. Your type just likes to complain without any practical solutions. Yes, yes go now and run and hide fren. kys and fuck off.

>>24816295
Partying and doing drugs with venture capital money sounds pretty based to me. You sound fun to be around though I'm sure you'll have no problem becoming some kind of sales chad

>>24816435
120 is midwit so not sure why you thought a 120 IQ would be better than a 90 IQ nigger who is likely way more artistic and creative than the 120 midwit drone.

weird, i'm learning how to code now and i feel like i am finally optimistic about my future after i wasted many years doing accounting

>>24816338
Except no one cares about you when you cant even get a job with any of those things. Stay poor.

>>24816480
>Partying and doing drugs with venture capital money sounds pretty based to me

Bitch I've worked in startups. None of that shit happens, turn off your TV. Here's your average startup:

>spoiled "founder" who stole the idea from someone else and had the right connections
>Two asian dudes who are the brainpower of the entire org. Will get poached by a big company and the entire org will tank.
>Some retard white sorority girl to do sales and reception work. Will usually #metoo at least one person in the office
>Pretentious asian girls as "UX designers" aka diversity hire positions for women
>Man children with carpel tunnel from league of legends who make up 80% of the workforce
>Neck yourself when you fail to transition from startup to successful mid/large company because you want to stay hip and funky because you never grew up

Fuck you

>>24816515

The scrum master who bosses you around and gets paid more than you doesn't need to spend their life engaged in autistic semantic puzzles. Same with the guy selling your product. Same with the girl who interviewed you.

>>24816278
something that happens when you're coding all day is it becomes something you think about even off hours. You'll have strange dreams where you try to approach real world situations like you would with code, you suddenly get solutions to random bugs. It's just something that takes over a good amount of your day's worth of mental energy and, you have to make an active effort to stop thinking about work. At least if it was in something healthcare related or something similar, I'd feel like I'm contributing to something useful, but the main thing I'm working on is optimizing code and building features to drive up engagement on a shitty app. The money is good though, and it's been funding this physical product that I'm working on.

>>24816571
Idk bro i was just chilling with startup people a few weeks ago and thats exactly what we were doing. You're working with the wrong people

>>24816511
Go back to accounting

>>24816171
How to get normie job anons?

>>24816460
Haha peepeepoopoo haha wouldn't it haha be cool hahaha bro if haha you haha built your own twitter haha to own the libs pee poo poo haha bro

>>24816647
i refuse to believe that any dev job can be worse than accounting. with coding, you are at least building something. accounting is repeating the same exact processes every month. it is truly soul crushing for anyone who wants to build.

>>24816685
> retard thought I was speaking about building a twitter for the right....

You will never make it anon. Keep dreaming about reentering the matrix though! You may get there one day as a regretful boomer.

>>24816263
Yep 100% This. I have worked in network engineering / cybersec for almost 6 years now and I want to pivot out to do something else. There was a brief time where I ended up getting restructured to the finance department (long story), once i was on finance i realized that none of this tech shit matters. No one outside of tech gives a shit. The real money is on the business side. IT/Software devs are just plumbers.

>>24816716
>Hi Stacy, I'm Chad
>Hi chad, what do you do
>I'm an accountant
>Oh cool my sister is an accountant, she likes her job. I like your shirt by the way
>*Fuck*

Vs.

>Hi Stacy, im Chad
>Hi Chad, what do you do
>I'm a software engineer
>Lol my brother is a software engineer all he does is play video games and he's weird.... I have a boyfriend bye

The end

>>24816571
funny how accurate this is, and I'm not even in the west coast

>>24816571
Follow your dreams man. Are you getting into data science? With your background you can command a good position with a nice salary.

>>24816571
>Pretentious asian girls as "UX designers" aka diversity hire positions for women
holy shit this is spot on, I just left a startup position (got too political, they were masquerading a bipartisan firm but were really all ex obama campaigners). The entire UX/Design team was all asian chicks

>>24816576
Except those people don't think about any of those things you mentioned.

>>24816813
That literally sounds like a /biz/tard's dream though. Dude the boomer company i work at barely has any women under the age of 50 working there. I'd love to be interacting with some qt azn grils all day

>>24816853
They were not attractive. They were single and post wall.

>>24816785
except the top conversation never happens. it's more like:
>oh you are an accountant? can you do my taxes a haha ah ahhah
>no i am not a tax accountant
>oh so you are a bookkeeper?
>uh not really i mean i do some bookkeeping but like.. more stuff
>so what do you do?
>mostly spreadsheets
>wow anon sounds like you could use a vacation haaah hah

>>24816794
My dreams are to rid myself of autism and be perceived by others as a normal well adjusted guy so I can have healthy friendships and relationships with women. Even my own family who pushed me into STEM is sick of the autist that I've become.

>>24816883
Yeah, anon is confusing finance bros with accountants. Accountants are the IT people of the finance world, they are all fucking weirdos and have to work tons of unpaid overtime during busy season, but the girls are usually sluts and are hot (sometimes).

>>24816794
was meant for >>24816511 >>24816883 @ data science for the accountant

>>24816511
unironically, go back to accounting, tech isn't worth it. You have a higher chance of getting to a c level position / senior management while being an accountant than you do being an engineer.

>>24816970
i'm interested in data science but i'm mostly focused on web monkey stuff right now i.e. javascript, node, react. then i'm going to try to play around with unity and c# but yes i'd like to do some data science projects as well. unfortunately that means i'll probably need to pick up python too but after js and c# i imagine it should be easy

>>24817026

You will literally never stop studying as new tools and frameworks will come out all the time, faster than you can even learn them

>>24817026
data science / data analytics is going to turn into a new pajeet job. I highly recommend avoiding this path. Anything data related always gets outsourced by major companies

>>24816171
Tech chads take fat dump on your chest and Cleveland steamship that shit. Bow down to your overlords

>>24817051
>>24817058
yeah agree with both of these points. i am cool with it because with the accounting background, maybe i end up in more of a project manager role anyways. i guess we'll see. i want to at least spend some time making games in unity though purely for fun. anyone do game dev here?

>>24817026
As far as career progression goes, I highly recommend against going the webshit route. Knowing web stuff is good shit to know but you'll essentially be starting from zero as a babby code monkey, whereas if you go the data science route you'll have respect off the bat with your experience and domain knowledge. Data Science > Data Engineering > General Web Development for someone with your experience, if you really want to go the coding route. I agree with >>24817002 though that it might be easier for you to get into a better position, with good pay and less work, if you were to stick with accounting.


>>24817058
Data science and data analytics are two vastly different fields first off. Secondly you'll be hard pressed to find a company that doesn't do its own data science stuff in house.

>>24816460
>deplatformed
>dropped by server host
>dropped by payment processors
just start your own competing platform bro

>>24817180
hm so you would recommend python over c# for my next language? i really don't see myself in accounting long term. already reached manager level and it just gets higher and higher pressure

>>24816171
I make software for fucking oil companies.

Bitch.

>>24816220
Back to pol retard

>>24817235
that's kinda based what kind of stack do you need to know for that

>>24817235
You're still a back office bitch

>>24817294
Allah Framework with Quran Backend.

>>24816171

>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO BE WELL ADJUSTED

>>24817228
C# would be a waste of time imo unless you like making games for fun. Learn Python, Pandas, and Pytorch or Tensorflow. Think less in terms of what language you're going to learn next, and more in terms of what you will be doing. In this case, data science, machine learning, deep learning etc.

If you end up feeling that data engineering is what you want to do instead, then pickup Java, Scala, then Apache spark in that order.

>>24816171

>tfw I read daily threads on /biz/ of people FUD’ing the shit out of my industry while I continue to keep cashing 15k paychecks and 30k quarterly RSU payouts
>sometimes I join them in the FUD to keep normalfags out of SWE

>>24817414
post tits or gtfo

>>24817454

Post your bussy first

>>24817471
Nigger

>>24817051
if you have understand it to some extent, the rest is just reading new documentation and its fine by me

>>24816263

> Javascript frameworks.

Brainlet lmao

>>24816571
>>Pretentious asian girls as "UX designers" aka diversity hire positions for women
fucking christ, I do UX/UI and the field has become so incredibly asian over the past 4 years or so. It's gotten to the point that, at least where I am, some of the most ubiquitous experiences we share on the internet are designed by the pretentious people you mention.

>>24817392
appreciate the advice. any opinions on tensorflow JS? worth the time considering i'm already learning JS?

>>24817414
no one is saying it doesn't pay well , only that it's autistic and completely monopolizes your mind to focus on autism

>>24816853
>I'd love to be interacting with some qt azn grils all day

Implying that they would be interacting with software engineers and not dudes that have 10 hours per day to workout, which a SWE has ~0% chance of competing with physically.

Why would they need a software engineer? They're getting great pay for a diversity position, so they're (by some definition) "good" on money and just need a hot guy to fulfill their life.

>>24817535

Good. Normalfags stay out and stay poor

>>24817180
>>24817228
My dudes, site reliability engineering. Every tech company that cares about reliability wants them right now.

Read the google SRE book. The relevant tooling is easier to use than ever. They don't call it .yml engineering for nothing

>>24817392
>Think less in terms of what language you're going to learn next, and more in terms of what you will be doing.
>>24817228
but also this. Start thinking about real world problems and then quickly learning the relevant tools to engage with and model that problem systemically.

>>24816171
but what do they do about things like ecommerce? safex?

>>24817584
What exactly is SRE? I keep hearing about it everywhere, but I can't tell what the difference between SRE and Devops is.

>>24816171
OP and the entire thread, get into software sales if you have tech experience. Be "chad", get social skills and money or get back to debugging. Stop complaining though. Wanna market just dropship

>>24816171
Yeah not being useful is much better rewarded atm. How long can that last without getting rugged tho?

>>24817703
One way to think about it is that "SRE" is an implementation of the "devops" class.

I wouldn't worry about the titles as much as the nature of the role.

Think architecture of the overall system and how you can maintain uptime even though you are working at scale and adding features. Are we going to put out one instance behind an IP address or get a load balancer in front of that thing?

How do we get new builds out without manual steps?

How are we creating our infrastructure? Ideally with infrastructure as code tools and having everything deploy to a system with a lot of built in quality of life tools like a control plane, abstractions like config mappings to reason about configruation, auto scaling and auto healing i.e. kubernetes

No "hand built" artisinal servers. You make an AMI/docker image and deploy that shit to an autoscaling group or k8s deployment.

Outage? The alert is likely handled by SREs who are able to escalate further if necessary. Ideally, alerts that come in are for novel incidents and root causes are dealt with/auto-remidation added.

You can get pretty far by just knowing how/when to use various AWS services and tie them together to make an app work, instead of hand rolling some retarded shit like your own bash pipeline or managing your own queue/database.

>>24817584
On call engineering.. I'll pass

>>24817807
To expand on this, how do we even know we are up/down


>>24817814
>On call engineering.. I'll pass
I can understand that reaction, but if you build this shit right, you might get 1 page per month. On a shitty team with shitty alerts, it will be crazy dumb; I agree

>>24816780
>IT/software dev are just plumbers
delet

>>24817351
lmfao

>>24817840
I wish I could. I work in IT and want to neck myself everyday.

>>24817884
me too anon, it is a demeaning profession

>>24817814
It requires not doing ANY retarded shit during the building process.

The guy SSHing into a server to change something is a sign of a failure. A manual, human entry required to deploy is a sign of failure. Many companies are years away from a stage of proper maturity.

Basic flow: Code is commited, automated testing runs, some sort of CI/CD pipeline runs creating your artifact (let's say a docker image), optionally more auto testing with the artifact.

If all looks good, that artifact is then deployed in some fashion (ideally a canary deployment) and timeseries metrics are collected. If those metrics go awry, the system does an auto or semi-auto rollback to a previous build, fix it tomorrow.

Look into tools like prometheus for metrics, kubernetes as a platform, spinnaker as a pipeline manager. That's a decent starting set to get a feel for proper, modern tooling.

>>24817919
Did you quote the wrong person? I know what it is, I used to work an adjacent position (DevSecOps). I called it on-call engineering because every company that I've been at so far (startup software shops) that have SRE positions have been absolute shitshows where things are on fire 24/7. I've also heard things are not much better at FAGMAN companies.

>>24816171
Your workplace probably, I work as junior dev and probably actually “worked” for like 20-30 hours so far this whole year. Rest of the time I just fuck around and shitpost on 4chan like I’m doing right now.

>>24817989
>absolute shitshows where things are on fire 24/7.
Ya sounds about right. SRE positions you need to heavily vet for this kind of thing.

What helps is that my team is well staffed, so I'm only on call every 6 weeks or so I think. I haven't even had to fix anything difficult, as our app is so simple.

FAGMAN I can believe is bad for on-call as it is so large that you'll likely not have autonomous control over your product's architecture and inevitable uptime.

A good niche is to own a particular segment of a tier 2-3 company. If you can control it all, it can run itself pretty smoothly and the shit tier app won't have as much traffic as facebook messenger (causing issues more easily). Your issue will literally become stagnating, if that bothers you, as your pipeline will be so self service for feature devs and work so well that what is normally a 24/7 issue at a retarded shop is not even registering on your radar.

>>24817989
>Did you quote the wrong person?
and ya I thought it was all one person replying to me. I'm just brain dumping on SRE at this point though

>>24817392
what is the difference between data science and data engineering?

>>24817989
>>24818115
>your pipeline will be so self service for feature devs and work so well that what is normally a 24/7 issue at a retarded shop is not even registering on your radar.

And this can be accomplished with as little as 1-3 people that know what they are doing in ~1 year's time (assuming a very casual pace), while a team of 20 can be seen struggling with the same toilsome activities for years, with little to no overall improvement made to the platform.

>>24818165
many but they have two similarities in being bof gay and boring

>>24818165
>what is the difference between data science and data engineering?
Data engineers will be responsible for providing the platform for which data scientists will perform analysis on.

A data engineer will be concerned about things like data integrity, resilience, perhaps disaster recovery, access methods, scaling storage, modeling data, etc

The scientist will be performing some sort of business analysis now that (a ton of) data is prepared and accessible for them to process.

Inclined to agree, I work at a call center from home. Comfy af but I would love what you describe. Not sure how I could do that and not even sure how to make actual good money from passions either. I have stopped caring about working hard for more money I just invest and pray for moonshots.