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Vitalik is watching Kleros very closely!

December 2019.
https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1207344008306937857

May 2020.
https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1261299784029286403

July 2020.
https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1285743053148495872

Are you smarter than Vitalik? Now you know what to do.

>> No.24752849
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24752849

>>24752783
the hype is indeed real
https://youtu.be/VXqcY3usp3Q?t=3385
https://etherscan.io/address/0x3d96a409b46d945d2802330b968b1de917ce597f#tokentxns
plus the insurance thing Clement briefly spoke about a few weeks ago on Telegram
surprised we don't have more bag holders, still, gives us time to acquire more pnkies

>> No.24753005
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24753005

Give me straight my fellow indian villagers, because i believe in this token and all use cases. Are we going to make it ?

>> No.24753017

is it time to do the needful, sirs?

>> No.24753027

>>24752783
Vitalik can't even build a secure and scalable POS chain.
If he likes Kleros, better run away quick

>> No.24753068

>>24753005
yes in 2 years sir
>>24753017
unicef sir, the needful
>>24753027
you are basterd bich sor

>> No.24753074

just added more. biggest holding right now

>> No.24753225

>>24752849
can you show me your pnkies?

>> No.24753270

>>24753225
why?

>> No.24753277

>>24752849
sup tranon, i read you were close to selling your pinakions yerteday? i hope you haven't been listening to that depressing music of yours again..
be patient, there isn't a better hold than kleros riight now

>> No.24753329

>>24753270
i want to see your stack :)

>> No.24753355
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24753355

>>24753277
I saw that post, it wasn't me, sorry. I'm not sure why people are still pretending to be me in some of these pnk threads lmao. I thought those days were long gone baka
but regardless I'm not selling below $5
>>24753329
why? I'm not done doing the needful. I should have just over 50k next week though

>> No.24753373

do any of you pajeets actually participate in the court?

>> No.24753395

>>24753355
checked. but i thought you were at 50k? is this someone larping as tranon

>> No.24753430

>>24753395
i have 50k currently, but i am buying a few k more next week(if the current price stays roughly the same)

>> No.24753468

>>24753430
does your portfolio consist only of pnk?

>> No.24753513

>>24753468
currently, yes. I did hold some other coins a while back but I didn't feel comfortable holding them so I traded them back to pnk

>> No.24753576

>>24753513
you should go back to the one where you were contemplating on buying. i saw you on that thread. something big is gonna happen soon. btw is it true that are you not sure if youre transgender anymore?

>> No.24753577

>>24753373
yes, i already did the needful as a juror my good sir
rapist went free, and i got more pinakions because of it

>> No.24753587

>>24753576
>not sure if youre transgender anymore
I'm a transcryptonian. I went from Btc maximalism to PNK maximalism.

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>>24753005
Anon, if you're holding PNK trying to get rich, it's going to be a long slog. They have about 500 cases so far on the platform most of which don't even involve smart contracts. You're going to have to put in some effort on this one. Figure out how smart contracts work and start updating templates to include Kleros dispute resolution. This is an uncut gem right now. It needs a saleschad like Steve Jobs to come out and force everyone to use it.

I would unironically expect BTC to have better gains over the next 6 months thank PNK. Of course I think PNK has more intrinsic value and a better usecase, but it's held back by smartcontract adoption, and smartcontract adoption is unironically being held back by the promise of oracles and chainlink. We need a saleschad to tell everyone the wait is over, dispute resolution is here and it works.

>> No.24753641

>>24753576
>you should go back to the one where you were contemplating on buying
hmm, ocean?
>btw is it true that are you not sure if youre transgender anymore?
No, I'm sure of what I am. It sounds like the imposter has been up to no good recently in these pnk threads baka

>> No.24753662

>>24753641
no but it’s got an ocean colour to it. prove you are tranon. where are u from

>> No.24753674

Be wary anons. Vitalik shilled OMG last bull run and look at all the bag holders today. And PNK is an even stupider idea than OMG honestly

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>>24753674
>And PNK is an even stupider idea than OMG honestly
I don't even know what OMG's stupid idea is. But I'm a sucker for ancient greece so I'll hold PNK and use Kleros court until they literally shut it down.

>> No.24753765

>>24753662
I don't know what else I was thinking of buying back then besides ocean. I did have some prq at one point, did you mean that?
>where are u from
UK, Scotland to be exact
>>24753674
what happened to OMG?

>> No.24753779

>>24753640
would it possible to add a kleros cause to a defi contract? do you think rug pulls could be prevented by implementing some type of arbitration?

>> No.24753780

>>24753765
nah it’s something else it’s blue

>> No.24753827
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>>24753779
Yeah, probably. Just depends on how you program the contract. I don't know how defi contracts really work though, I'm a BTC/LINK/PNK boomer, I don't fuck with other shit and ONLY installed metamask because there's no other way I can figure out how to stake my PNK on Kleros. I fully expect to get hacked any day now.

>> No.24753873

>>24753765
OMG is literally worthless rn, HK firm bought it and tried to pump it by listing it on every normie app they could and it just keeps going lower and lower

>> No.24753980

>>24753827
are you me? quasi boomer, btc/eth/link/pnk stack, have never heard of metamask or uniswap until 5 minutes before purchasing my pinakions.
we're either a bullish or sell signal kek

>> No.24754072

>>24753980
If we're aping in hoping for a fast pump so we can dump, it'd be bearish. But I'm a buy and hold trader and I'm looking to actually expand adoption of LINK and Kleros and smart contracts in general. I'm considering starting up a consultancy firm just for smart contracts to start implementing them for businesses where it makes sense. So I consider all my buys to be bullish.

>> No.24754098

>>24753780
hmm, I really can't remember :(
>>24753873
looking at the charts now, ouch. thanks

>> No.24754190

>>24753373
Last week I sentenced a man to death in a child rape case.

>> No.24754259
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>>24754190
This is the thread that made me take Kleros seriously. For some reason it didn't click that people were literally judging cases RIGHT NOW until I saw this.

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>>24754190
you did the right thing, well done

>> No.24754419

>>24753640
>He doesn't know that the number of resolved cases has doubled in the past 6 months.

>> No.24754438

>>24754098
last clue last letter in my id

>> No.24754450

>>24752849
>anonymous board
>avatar fagging
holy shit, fuck off you’re ruining every thread you attention seeking whore of a man. And you >>24753225 have some dignity, you’re talking to a man larping as an ugly anime girl.

>> No.24754491

i love money skelly but he was also very positive about omg, dgd, mkr... look where all these projects went
dude is excited by the possibilities, not by the reality of whether a team will deliver or not, and even less in the bags of mouthbreathers

>> No.24754499

>>24754438
s-surf? I am in the Aegis pool, and I have an nft leviathan thingy that farms me some surf here and there
>>24754450
big baby boohoo

>> No.24754508
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>>24754419
THEN WHY HAVEN'T I BEEN SELECTED FOR ANY CASES???
Just kidding, I already know why. I'm only staked in J-E translation and general court.

>> No.24754586

>>24754491
Well the problem with omg was they were super ambitious and had zero chance to deliver. Mkr is still like a top 25 market cap and really is revolutionary they'd be higher if they just used fucking Chainlink oracles. Their time will come.

PNK is already pretty much done all it needs is intergrations which the team is constantly working on and scaling for lower gas fees with a layer 2 or ETH 2.0.

If this was on Binance or Coinbase it would be 50 cents east by now I can't think of a more credible project that has been around as long as PNK not on a major exchange. Sleeping dragon. My biggest holding wish I had more only have 200k but I had to sell all my ETH to get it and feel bad.

>> No.24754604

>>24754508
You should stack some at the 'Onboarding' court. Being drawn as a juror and seeing the evidence / voting / appeal process cleared most of the doubts that i had.

>> No.24754758

>>24754499
wrong again

>> No.24754838

>>24753779
Absolutely. You have to think of this coin in terms of what happens in the real world. Do you ever hear of startups rugpulling their investors? Usually no - because there's legal accountability and investors can recoup their investment through a court if they get scammed.

With Kleros you could avoid rugpulls entirely. Only invest in ICOs where the team's payout is locked behind a Kleros smart contract. E.G.: Team has no tokens to start, but 1 million tokens will be distributed to the team in 3 months if the Kleros court agrees that they met their 3-month objectives.

Imagine how different the altcoin dynamics would be. Sergey's Link stack would be locked behind a Kleros contract:
>You have 3 years to implement staking, otherwise you get nothing
Instead he's dumping his bags on Linkmarines, making millions with staking nowhere in sight.

>> No.24754873

>>24754838
Link dumping and him owning 60% of the supply was always in the white paper and stressed during the ico as a critical aspect of the coin though.

>> No.24754914

>>24754873
Still raises the questions where is staking at, what's holding it up, and when it's expected to come out.

>> No.24754945

>>24754873
Yes but he should have only been allowed to keep that 60% if he actually delivered what was promised in the whitepaper. If the logic was
>I need 60% because that's what the whitepaper says
then it follows that him owning 60% of Link should have been contingent on him actually delivering the vision of the whitepaper .

>> No.24755100

>>24752783
what's the point of this bullshit project? to turn court into whoever pays most wins?

>> No.24755144

$KILL is live on Uniswap. It just hit 100% in 4 hours. Gonna hit 200% by tomorrow..

https://app.uniswap.org/#/swap?outputCurrency=0xb85c54b5fcb21d90ebf4737e2149d4aacc9f45bb

>> No.24755321

>>24754945
Even so nobody that bought into the ICO would be upset with Sergey. They only got a 80x on their money. If he didn't deliver he wouldn't be able to dump 10 million USD in Link every week for a year.

Not saying it isn't a good idea Link just seems like a dumb example.

I'm all in pnk/Api3 tho fuck Link.

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Forgot my pic.

>> No.24755644

>>24754838
For any case that involves significant amounts of money, they'll just covertly bribe the jurors.
It only works if the claims being disputed are worth less than the jurors PNK stake.
It's right there on the white paper.
Therefore, only useful for small claims.

>> No.24755755

Also can anyone tell me what happened to Chainlink ? Back to the "stablecoin for 3 years" ? It was shilled by the WEC days ago but nothing changed

>> No.24755778

>>24755755
Oops wrong tread

>> No.24755849

>>24755644
How do you bribe jurors when they're anonymous?

Also there's a cap on how much you're willing to bribe jurors anyway, because it has to be less than what you'd lose from just losing the case, and further shaved down by expected loss when you're not 100% sure you'd lose the case fairly.

Hell, it'd be easier to bribe jurors in real life court, at least there you can use AI facial recognition to figure out who they are and contact them through family members to bribe/threaten them.

>> No.24755970

>>24755340
Hhhhhha fugger man

>> No.24756021

>>24755849
By reaching them out through the new youtube account they created to post the video argument.
Or any other contact channel every juror will subtly leave at his arguments.
Because jurors are there for money, why the hell would they NOT bribe?
That's retarded. And there isn't even an incentive to virtue signal, which is the only reason people play good in real life.
This meme coin is basically for wokies who truly believe humans are actually honest, and not just act like it due to intangible social repercussions.

>> No.24756099

>>24755849
Because attempting to bribe in real life risks getting you in jail.
Attempting to bribe in an anonymous virtual network, you'll get away by saying it was someone impersonating you.

>> No.24756134

>>24756099
In short, this shitcoin is useless because real courts only work due to the eminent threat of jail for lying even in a small claims case.
Unless they make a deal or promise to imprison/kill people, this is a joke court.

In shorter
There is no justice without violence.

>> No.24756153

>>24756134
Poor guy. Missed Bitcoin, missed Chainlink, and now misses Kleros.

Vitalik is smarter than you.

>> No.24756211

Yea bro just bribe all ze jurors xD! Just make a utube vid and offer some money to all the jurors bro xD

>> No.24756239

>>24756211
The paid shills are real

>> No.24756240

>>24755644
This is why the vote stake is variable. For higher value cases, the vote stake is greater. In addition, the appeal process means that the briber would have to bribe an exponentially growing group of people to win the appeals.

>> No.24756259

>>24756239
Bribed 100k jurors on the newest rape case, i gave them money but they all just voted for the right thing anyway LOL fml

>> No.24756289

>>24756211
or make a betting website similarly to "assassins market" where the only fool that would take a bet against the worst odds is the one that bets for sure (the jurors)

>> No.24756295

>>24756134
How Low IQ are you. Do you know nothing about Schelling points and economic incentives? Faggot

>> No.24756338

>>24756295
You fucking midwit, did you even see the twitter thread?
Jurors are posting youtube video links to make their cases.
Do you really think the accused won't message that account?

>> No.24756346

>>24756295
>economic incentive
that's my exact problem with this concept

>> No.24756478

>>24756338
Jurors do make their case, they just vote. You clearly don't understand how this works. Assuming a bribe was economically viable though (which it wouldn't ever be as long as the parameters for the court are set correctly), how do you expect the juror to trust the briber? Would the briber create a smart contract that executes when the juror votes how they want him to?

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>>24756338
>using social media
NGMI.

>> No.24756547

>>24756478
Ok, then the jurors have to be paid higher than the case value itself.

What the fuck is the point in this again?

>> No.24756559

>>24756346
The Schelling point for a vote IS honesty. So jurors are economically incentivized to vote honestly. This is the real genius of the protocol

>> No.24756571

>>24756478
read >>24756289


basically you can make it so that either the jurors vote by the way the briber want or he wins his money back and it will be economically nonsensical for anyone else to take the bet.

>> No.24756587

>>24756547
It doesn't matter if you can't understand. Vitalik shilled this token.

>> No.24756590

>>24756559
>So jurors are economically incentivized to vote honestly
no they are economically incentivized to maximize their gains. and if that means taking a bribe anonymously... oh boy. you got problems.

>> No.24756636

>>24756590
Read the wp

>> No.24756674

>>24756636
i don't care about whitepapers when even in today's court system people are taking bribes left and right and you just made it infinitely easier and more natural.

>> No.24756749

>>24756590
Then what about appeals? If i thought a bribe had occurred (eg by the briber posting the bribe on the internet and i saw it) then i would just keep appealing the decision until the briber ran out of money. Its like no one has even read the whitepaper.

>> No.24756799

>Mfw some asshole trues to bribe me on utube
>not on my watch, honest juror here sirs
>accept his money but vote for the right option anyway
>screencap his messages and bribes and send them as evidence on the case
>topkek.jpg

>> No.24756809

>>24756749
>eg by the briber posting the bribe on the internet and i saw it
so the loser can just post ads pretending to bribe people and go for infinite appeals? your system is unworkable. trump would have a filed day with it.

>> No.24756832

>>24756799
read >>24756289
you only get the bribe if the case goes his way.
if he loses the case he wins back his bribe and some if you win the bribe he wins the case.
the briber can't lose.

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>>24756749
This fud is great because this thread is now like a FAQ for newfags showing that Kleros is bulletproof

>> No.24756922

>>24756809
So bribing jurors to vote against your interests, then appealing? what would be the point? also appeals cost money, so you would only do them if you think you have a good chance of winning

>>24756799
This anon gets it, honesty will always win

>> No.24756935

>>24756832
>appeals
>briber runs out of money, turns out bribing thousands of jurors is expensive and unreliable

>> No.24756966

i am doing the needful this week and buying $5000 worth of kleros sirs

>> No.24756992

>>24756935
>Briber bribes the jurors.
>Jurors accept then vote for justice anyway.
>Briber gets rekt.
>Briber takes the jurors to Kleros court for breaking their deal.

Bullish.

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>>24756920
I know right, I'm loving this. Please send more FUD my way. This is too easy

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>>24756966
Checked and based

>> No.24757057

>>24756935
if you can appeal like this then the court is useless. because it costs nothing to fabricate "evidence" of tampering

>> No.24757070

>>24756966
uniswap sir

>> No.24757080

it's simple game theory m8s kleros court is either completely useless waste of time or the one with more money to throw on a case wins. which is just plain bad.

>> No.24757124

>briber tries to bribe a bunch of jurors
>some jurors voting for the wrong thing and wants the bribe
>case goes against briber anyway because tons of jurors just looks at evidence and votes and dont even know there is a potential for a bribe
>jurors that wanted to take the bribe losses their stake
>never accepted bribe again
>moderchuuuud

>> No.24757138

>>24756922
if appeals based on flimsy evidence of screen capped forum posts work then it costs fucking nothing to forever appeal your case if you lose.

and that's assuming you can even find evidence of actual real tampering on anonymous distributed betting platforms.

so again... shit is unworkable.

>also appeals cost money,
so again the one with more money wins? great...

>> No.24757147

>>24757124
>and doesnt even get the bribe because briber lost case
>ahhhhhh

>> No.24757194

>>24757057
The jurors will vote honestly based off of the information available in the original case files. Yes its true anyone can post anything on the internet, that is why jurors will not use that untrusted information to inform their vote.

>> No.24757211

>>24757124
this sounds more and more retarded by the minute... so people are hard incentivized to vote with the majority not their consciousness? cause otherwise they lose money? oh boy...

>> No.24757249

>>24757057
The evidence of tampering will be used to deicde whether its worth appealing. If you think you have a good chance of an appeal being successful, then you would be a fool not to do it.

>> No.24757267

>>24757211
Yes and the majority votes for the right option. Checkmate.

>> No.24757273

>>24757194
so again the one with more money to throw at he case wins? great. because jurors will just maximize their profit the best they can. i know that the majority of people are not honest and virtuous if it's about their pocket. so game theory is against you.

how big there "juries" are exactly?

>> No.24757287

>>24757267
>the majority votes for the right option
if that was true... lot of people would not made it to president.

>>24757249
like i said if done correctly the bribe leaves no evidence. it's just a bet after all.

>> No.24757308

>>24757273
Maximizing the profit is voting for the right option

>> No.24757361

>>24757308
no say for example someone could place a bet on an individual juror betting the "right" way and set the odds... and say that juror saw this as an opportunity to make bank and decided to vote the "wrong" way... what can you prove exactly? that he choose not to vote with the majority. that's all.

>> No.24757385

>>24757287
At this point, your arguments have become incoherent. I cannot decipher the point you are trying to make.

>> No.24757401

>>24757287
They vote for the right option because that will be the majority and where the profit is.
If someone tries to bribe a bunch of jurors they risk voting against the majority losing both the bribe and their stake. (which will happen every time)
But i see your point as right now it hasnt been properly adopted and there arent that many jurors or cases. But down the line if it actually gets big i dont see bribes being a viable thing at all.

>> No.24757428

>>24757385
it's simple tho. i assume in this kleros bullshit voting involves public keys and signing messages. yo you can easily make smart contracts that do atomic swaps based on these signatures.

>> No.24757455

>>24757401
>They vote for the right option because that will be the majority and where the profit is.
not if there is a bribe? i mean you can win $2 by playing nice or $100 by placing a bet on you playing bad and winning. so simple. the majority will take the bribe.because humans at large are not decent especially those involved in crypto.

>> No.24757495

>>24757401
btw i just really want to know if someone though this through properly or it's an other pipe dream. so far i'm very far from convinced.

the only hope i see is if the sheer number of jurors turn this into a prisoner dilemma. but if individual jurors votes can be isolated on chain then this is out of the window.

>> No.24757545

>>24757455
If there is thousands of jurors on a case, the bribe will need to put out a lot of money first of all. And idk why you think he will be able to even reach out to all of those anonymous jurors. In the end the jurors that wants to take a bribe must gamble on the briber to have managed to reach out to the majority of the anonymous jurors and them wanting to gamble. But yeah good luck trying to do that.

>> No.24757588

>>24757545
>the bribe will need to put out a lot of money first of all
technically just a little bit more than what the jurors would make not taking the bribe. by game theory then they would take it because they would assume others would take it and they would minimize their loss and maximize their gains by taking it.

it's not simple man... kleros needs some very heavy privacy features to avoid targeted bribes and even then, this could all turn bad from betting market arbitrage.

>> No.24757613

>>24757495
There is better fud than bribes, you should question what stops someone with a lot of pnk to spread it out in tons of wallets and get the same vote as tons of jurors

>> No.24757615

>>24757455
>>24757545 is based. votes are anonymous so there would be no way to ensure you were bribing the right people or that the bribed jurors vote how you want them to.

>> No.24757642

Physical judges in the normal world can already be bribed and nobody wants to overthrown the current judicial system just because of that.

Let that sink in.

>> No.24757650

>>24757545
see this is the problem. you don't get how betting markets price in eventualities by all available information and the only way to make money on them is have insider information that makes it worth to bet against official odds.

jurors would naturally use the betting markets just for arbitrage if they feel the market is not properly pricing in the information as they see it. they would also use it as a gauge of how the popular sentiment is because that makes it statistically likely the other jurors as a sample size will have the same distribution.

so on and so on...

you can't avoid jurors betting on the cases the try so long any part of it is anonymous. and then you can't avoid people taking advantage of this.

>> No.24757668

>>24757588
What is stopping a random person pretending to be a juror then accepting the bribe?

>> No.24757697

>>24757613
>There is better fud than bribes
fud? heh, i have no stake in this crapshow. i just want to know if any of you brainlets thought this through. i'm all in bitcoin and will remain so no matter what i will think of this project by the end of the day.

i was interested in democracy 2.0 and distributed voting based on crypto technology for a long time. and i have to say this shit sounds retarded. you guys are all "people will vote right because they get some meager payout for voting right duh". yeah sure... takes a bit more than that.

>> No.24757698

>>24757668
You would get the bribe when the case is closed, which is why you take a risk by trying to accept the bribe, if it goes the right way anyway

>> No.24757722

>>24757615
>votes are anonymous
how can they be if they are involved in smart contracts? there must be a public key and a signed message or you can't check the votes legitimacy. this pseudo anonymity is perfect for bribes. makes payouts trustless and automated without any fallback.

>> No.24757735

>>24757697
I have thought it through and i dont see bribes being a problem at all in the long run. But we can agree to disagree.

>> No.24757761

>>24757668
nothing but again no normal sane person would take the odds offered unless they can ascertain their outcome.

let's say the case has a 20-80% chance of win/loss for a party.

so that party offers 1000:1 odds on a $100 bet that juror 0x3242355434a55645...332 will vote "not guilty" you have to pay $100k if he votes "guilty" and get only $100 if he votes "not guilty".

>> No.24757779

>>24754586
omg dgd mkr all have similar problems. led by guys with an idea but not the skill to actually build that idea to fruition
lol @ "mkr should use chainlink". obviously, reasonable discussion of projects is hard on /biz/ now that you shitcoiners made a x100 on that ponzi. oracles have never been mkr's problem. their real issue is vc control and inertia. even then they still work and now that the march 2020 print is paid off, it is likely mkr will appreciate
(until tether blows up, and crypto goes under another gigantic crash, and mkr prints again
this is basically the problem, it's a nice system but just not well thought out against systemic risks)
point being, seeing as we're in a shitcoin shill thread with low tech awareness. 1 mkr used to be worth 3-4 eth, all the way up to 5 eth. now 1 eth is 1.1 mkr. vitalik doesn't dole out financial advice. he just points out cool projects
pnk has some really neat ideas. they unfortunately have all the hallmarks of "team with cool ideas but no real vision to execute" as well. down to their co-op structure. if you believe in the vision it's fine to bet on it. but most of you around here are bagholders dreaming of dollar amounts, and that might end up in tears

>> No.24757782

>>24753780
Just say the name you stupid phaggot

>> No.24757784

>>24757735
i will just have to see a slight indication that this problem has been "dealt with".

>> No.24757941

>>24757761
If I was a random person, those odds are incredible and I would defo take them. The expected return on that bet is huge.

>>24757784
Anyway, If no other arguments have gone through to you, then how about just looking at the 500+ cases that have been resolved successfully.

>> No.24758151

Any events planned for PNK within the next 3 months? Got a 50k stack now but have a few extra eth to spread, and wondering if it’s a good time to add

>> No.24758221

>>24757273
Imagine being this stupid. Even normies and NPCs can understand game theory, it's like the simplest "new science" from the last century and even easier to understand than 19th century sciences.

>> No.24758275

>>24757941
>If I was a random person, those odds are incredible and I would defo take them. The expected return on that bet is huge.
no i think you are reading the numbers all wrong. your expected return is 0.2 of $100 and 0.8 of -$100k so -$79980

only juror 0x32423554... knows for sure he would get the $100

>> No.24758290

>>24758221
i'm reasonably sure you are the one who fails to grasps something fundamental here.

>> No.24758357

Something huge is coming next month, get ready for it. Once it's announced Kleros will eventually become a household name.

>> No.24758380

>>24758275
Okay yeah I see. The juror would have to be very confident that the other jurors would take the bet though, as if not they would lose $79980. Also If an appeal happened they would need to ensure enough of the new jurors brought in would also be willing to take the bribe. Seems to be a high risk strategy that assumes perfect information on the part of all jurors. It may work, but if was a juror in that situation then I would never take the bet.

>> No.24758429

>>24758357
well this is certainly believable

>> No.24758443

>>24758380
not necessarily only if the jurors can't be isolated and their pubkeys bet on individually. like i said earlier... otherwise he only has to be sure of his choice.

i assume selecting a jury is basically listing the pubkeys which are synonymous to accounts or identities for a case. and i assume the voting uses the same pubkeys to verify it's authenticity.

based on my general knowledge of distributed voting protocols... i admit i haven't read a whitepaper the past 2 years.

>> No.24758556

>>24758443
>i assume selecting a jury is basically listing the pubkeys which are synonymous to accounts or identities for a case. and i assume the voting uses the same pubkeys to verify it's authenticity.

These assumptions are incorrect though. The jurors are anonymous. Bribing the jurors only makes sense if you bribe enough to swing the case. If not, then you have just lost a lot of money for nothing.

>> No.24758592
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He also endorsed Pickle

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>>24754873
This is some massive cope right here

>> No.24758674

>>24756134
>he doesn't understand how predetermined agreements are mediated through escrow on whether or not certain conditions are met
NGMI

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>>24757211
You realise this is how fucking Wikipedia works right? (Minus the money incentive) and it’s the most largest source of information on the entire planet. It’s more comparable to how information on Wikipedia is verified than a fucking rigged US election works

>> No.24758688

>>24758151
They just did a conference, videos are up on youtube. They're even kind of interesting, I liked the one on Linguo.

>> No.24758722

>>24758679
Wikipedia is biased by the pseudo-caste system they've developed, the ideologically motivated campers, and the fact that editors choose what articles they edit. Kleros is protected from that by randomly assigning jurors to cases within their competence and by making the jurors have skin in the game by staking PNK on each case. It's covered in like the first few chapters of the book, explaining how Athenian courts worked.

>> No.24758818

>>24758556
>The jurors are anonymous
and where did i said they are not? in crypto pubkeys are identities. anonymous identities. you can't really stake without a pubkey for example.

>> No.24758850

>>24758722
perverting those incentives is trivial as i explained numerous times. you fucking brainlets don't seem to grasp the basic math involved in this.

>> No.24758893

>>24758850
>it's trivial
Please, go ahead and show us by staking in the courts and subverting our protocol. I assure you you'll have a very unpleasant experience trying to do so. Clement has bounties up for people who think they can do this. Try your luck faggot

>> No.24759193

>>24758893
you don1t subvert it by staking you mongrel have you read nothing in this thread? you subvert it by making stakes and rewards a joke compared to the payout for defection.

jesus fucking christ....

>> No.24759253

>>24757455
Retard you’re arguing a stupid point. The main use case of kleros will be for when a pajeet scams someone and gives them shitty code, pajeet’s not gonna have enough money or care enough to bribe the jurors. jesus fucking christ why are you so dense.
Also
>27 posts by this ID
seethe more

>> No.24759452

>>24758850
>>24759193
How exactly are you going to get in contact with a juror once they are selected for a case? There are cases open now, show us how to contact a juror on one of those cases.

>> No.24759605

>>24759253
you low iq subhumans will learn the hard way if this thing becomes more than a joke.

>>24759452
read
>>24757697
>>24757722
>>24757761
>>24758275
>>24758443
you don1t find the jurors as persons, you share a mutual interest to find each other on the betting markets.

>> No.24759698

>>24759605
Keep on seething anon

>> No.24759878

>>24759605
So you assume the majority of jurors in a case are 4chan betting degens that will go on betting sites, bet, and shift their votes?

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>>24759605
Holy shit he's still going

>> No.24759950

>>24754508
Unless you are staking 200k+ MINIMUM, you have fuck all chance of being a juror.

>> No.24760056

>>24759950
I have way less then that and I'm on a case right now

>> No.24760159

>>24759950
When you're the only staked juror in a court it's 100% odds.

...WHY WON'T SOMEBODY DISPUTE A TRANSLATION ALREADY DO I HAVE TO GO FUCK UP A TRANSLATION MYSELF???

>> No.24760163

>>24760056
Onboarding doesn't count

>> No.24760190

>>24760163
Not in Onboarding

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>>24760190
Have you considered taking a bribe since reading this thread?

>> No.24760352

>>24760190
I get that you want more people to buy PNK but there's no sense lying, anon

>> No.24760514

>>24760352
What? I staked 137k to Blockchain non-technical and got picked in 4 days

>> No.24760549

MY CURRY STAYS SUPER SLURRY PNK $10,000 EOY.

>> No.24760716

IM BUYING YOUR BAGGGGGS FAAGGGGS

>> No.24760727

Gg

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pic related

>> No.24761070

>>24760996
What does this mean fren?

>> No.24761211

>>24761070
It means hold through at least Q1

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24761592

>31 posts by this midwit ID
Go directly to Kleros jail sir