/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>24698395
It's dead just give up

>>24698441
FUD, BAT is just getting started

>>24698455
Checked.

>>24698395
What does this mean

>>24698919
This roughly means: ugp to uphold to huobi and this is monthly as you can see.

>>24698969
So the devs are dumping

I'm not paying attention to BAT anymore. I'd dare to say I'm not even giving a basic attention.
I have some holdings, but I'll not hype this coin anymore. I'll be happy if it moons, of course.

>>24698395
>https://etherscan.io/token/0x0d8775f648430679a709e98d2b0cb6250d2887ef?a=0xe567d569be19dd911937d90c912d538d48f270bc
How much are held collectively by the ICO whale wallets? I need some perspective.

>>24698395
so glad i sold my BAT bag.. what a shitcoin

>>24700605
Brave CEO was fired from Firefox for saying dumb incel shit and I'm not even making this shit up. The worst thing here is not even that he was an incel, but that he is FUCKING DUMB. He lost a pretty great job and ruined his carreer for being uncapable of managing his emotions.
For that, I have 0 hopes for BAT. I hold some, but still.

>>24701082
They also do shady shit like fill in referrals with their code then disable the field so you can't take it out.
When they were called out on it they said they would stop doing it but pic related was just taken and you can do it yourself as an experiment right now.

>>24701082
>creates Javascript
>against fag marriage
>after leaving Firefox makes a superior browser with faster user growth and better partnerships

>he is FUCKING DUMB

Get better fud

>>24701276
Wow it is blank in chrome, and you cannot change it in brave....

>>24701488
Yep, wonder what other underhanded things are they doing...
Some anon posted a list of other flaws once, like keeping certain stuff in the browser side which is a big security risk, wish I could remember what else he said.

>>24701608
>some anon

Super organic post bro.

You mean the spyware-anon who shows up in every fucking thread with his long-ass copypasta?

>>24702090
Nope.
If that's all you could take from that then it speaks volumes.

>>24701608
>>24702090
That shit is not correct and/or outdated at least, I am not a security expert but I think the browser is quite ok.
Bat on the other hand ll be abandoned by them, this is my prediction for the next 2years!

>>24702174
Now comes the part where you say DYOR.

>>24699773
>I'm not even giving a basic attention
honestly, thats brave of you.

>>24702492
This kind of "reddit arguing" when nobody ever addresses the points mentioned by the poster, but rather attack the poster with ad hominems or some sort of vague denial a la "I don't know what you mean, I think you're [bad]" does not belong here. GTFO.

>>24702568
>attacking baseless assertions
>ad hom

Yeah totes leddit retard

>>24698395
Imagine not accumulating basic income token for when BAT finally moons

yawn

>>24698395
It's not going to end. Whales are finally abandoning this trash token. More will follow.
>>24701082
>>24701276
I disabled rewards on my smartphone and ads are still being displayed.
Fucking scam.

cameron is a gay homo

>>24701082
You're definitely a faggot if you disagree with anything he said.

>>24704582
Enjoy being scammed.

Listen you may have to hold through yet another Adam and Eve.
But I brows the web and I get my bat.

>>24704643
I hold 0 BAT except for what their browser gives me. Enjoy being a faggot apologist who is retarded enough to think Brendan leaving Mozilla is a bad thing.

>>24701276

I never had a problem with this and don't understand the crying over it. They are providing you the link so it's just the same as a referral. People cried like little bitches when it has no effect on them whatsoever. Good on him for trying to up those referrals.

Millions browser cost averaging.

>>24698395
We still do not yet talk about BAT.

>>24705550
This. And they changed it and apologized right away.
>>24705599
When? Q1 2021? 200k trying to get to 500k before blast off

Does /biz/ realize if bat/brave fails crypto is going to fail right? Or at least be 10-20 years off real use case besides muh store of value

>>24698395
Can someone explain BAT to me? It has a seemingly proper usecase which is already being used and even somewhat reaching the normies, yet the token costs so little. Are my observations wrong or what is happening?

>>24706316
Shit didn't mean to post that pic

i have exactly 1 (one) BAT coin, will i be rich?

>>24706754

Dying felt so goddamn good today
We dance the electric Pagan Love Song
We hunt with the children paling in the catacombs
Eating dead flowers bleeding in a strange daze
I was cutting throats and eating tears
Smiling in a ruined age
Douse (my love) everything with gasoline
I woke up adrift in a Technicolor bliss
Ten million miles high
I'm a Christian zombie by daylight
Satan, he come trippin' 'round midnight
Circle jerkin' redneck truckers' dream
You scream, I scream
Everybody screams for morphine

All right

Did all my fellow BAT boys see that Apple checked Brave out of BAT’s most basic function?

You can no longer earn BAT on Apple devices. Top lel. This absolute shitcoin just got canned because Apple demanded it. Your “earned BAT” goes straight to the websites you browse. So no more earning your share for having Brave ads toggled on, BAT’s most basic and important function.

This shit gets more and more pathetic by the month. Their big release to try to detract attention away from this crushing blow by Apple is a fucking speed reader (wut) that nobody will fucking use or cares about. Absolute DISASTER of a project and BAT continues to tank in price.

Dead project, dead token.

>>24707107
Apple cucked Brave*

and here’s the news that they released on the sly:

https://brave.com/rewards-ios/

it’s ogre

>>24707125
lel not even a year ago Brave was in the Apple store's "Apps we love" section. Wonder what the iOS vs Android split is like in the 22M users.
Not an applefag so I'm not clear on whether this extends to Apple desktops as well?

>>24707125
Well fuck, yep, BAT's dead. Glad I got rid of this when it hit 30 cents.

Did they ever release the self serve platform? They should have done advertising right from the start as in pay twitch streamers and youtubers to shill BAT to their followers.

>>24707125
Huh? So applefags can't earn bat. It isn't like normies knew about earning bat anyway.

jesus fuck apple for doing this. this is a huge blow to ethereum too because apple is essentially saying they will not hesitate to kill any project or dapp on iOS that they aren't profiting from

I'm wondering if Brave isn't about to fold. I'm the last 4 days both my PC and Mobile have stopped getting BAT for ad views and no one will answer my support request. Of course could just as easily be making shit up in my head.

>>24707224
Pretty sure it extends to Apple desktop/laptops as well. It’s a crushing blow to the whole BAT ecosystem.

>>24707478
One of the whole points of BAT was to bring crypto to the masses, to create a use case for crypto where people could actually use it in their everyday lives. This is like putting the brakes on a huge hope for BAT’s use case scenario

>>24706316
Bump

>>24707009
is that a yes?

>>24707107
i got one BAT add today on phone

>>24707107
I'm so glad I dispersed my portfolio months ago. Like you said, it keeps getting worse by the month. We don't need features no one is asking for. Even the ads I receive now are shit, mostly videogames to earn crypto. If you're still holding this, you need to seriously reconsider your options. BAT is broken right now

>>24707832
Fucking shit news, but I'm still getting ads on all my Apple hardware.

>>24709794
fat ass

>>24709794
Think they’ll continue advertising on Apple products/iOS versions of the browser, but the BAT will go straight to the creators/websites browser rather than the user. Also it seems that users aren’t going to be allowed to tip from Apple products, lel. If that’s all true, God help this project.

Apple claims that users were “earning money through tasks” which is against the nebulous, nonsensical rules they impose to control other companies. Either way they just took a big nasty dump down Brave’s throat. Not a death knell for Brave but absolutely a huge blow to BAT. I mean think about it. BAT just lost like half its use-case.

It’s a big deal but the WORST part about all of this is how the Brave team tried to sweep it under the rug with their dumbass new feature (who gives a fuck) and probably will never address just how big of a fucking deal it is.

>>24710317
Did they "sweep it under the rug"? I mean the blog post is fairly long and explanatory. It is what it is, which is to say, a shit sandwich. They can't just say WELP shit's fucked brehs, pack up and let's go home now.

>>24710317
i think apple users will leave apple now they cant use BAT and buy androids

>>24710419
I want to see some leadership from Brave. Give me a statement from Brendan Eich or Luke Mulks. This is a big fucking deal; Apple is blatantly wiping out the crypto currency’s whole purpose. I mean watch the original video where Brendan Eich explains what BAT is and how it will work — it doesn’t even apply anymore! Another point is that if a company as big and powerful as Apple says “no fucking way” to BAT, then why would other tech companies/governmental institutions be OK with it? Where is its legitimacy going to come from if Apple just totally shut it down on their hardware?

Damn right they swept it under the rug. A blog post, whoop dee fucking do. Give me an official statement from the head of the BAT team or the CEO of the company about what they’re going to fucking do about this mess

>>24705550
I can tell exactly how you vote and your political beliefs from that retarded statement alone. Have a critical think about what you wrote and how the world would work if everyone thought like that.

>>24706229
>And they changed it and apologized right away.
Except they didn't change it, like I say you can go and try it right now.

>>24710864
>I can tell exactly how you vote and your political beliefs from that

Lol. Get the fuck out of this thread you schizo freak. Nobody cares

>>24710704
First, as they address, Brave's model does not actually fall into the largely malicious category of tasks-for-cash Apple's new guidelines lay out. These same guidelines now preclude many others from doing the same thing, Apple and other big players included.
As you rightly point out, this IS an attack on crypto writ large. but it's not as if Eich has a magic wand. What kind of fucking response should they level at Apple?

this is the final nail in the coffin for BAT. its been a pleasure memeing with you guys.

>>24702568
I saw your post on reddit lol.

>>24707832
For the past year I've been posting in bat threads that they were going to get cucked by chrome, edge, safari.
I was posting that Eichs clock was running out and his window of opportunity was closing fast.

This entire fiasco is caused by 3 things:

1. Eichs ego: Unlike other startups he had something to prove here. It made him incredibly ultra cautious to the point of inaction
2. Related #1 he refused to accept vc money. This would've greased the skids for him and provided synergy with other big-tech
3. He refused to bring in anyone who could develop the token. I get it...he doesn't want vast price swings...but allowing modest 30-40% YOY gains would've cemented a userbase of content creators around it.

All around, I hardly pick duds. But I fugged up with this one....

>>24711930
BAT was first shitcoin foray and I have to say it's been miserable so far.

fuck guys should I just swap it for Monero now or wait until another scam pump?

>>24701082
Dude is based as fuck and invented javascript. I'm buying the floor, obviously dumped for the dump though.

>>24712050
>invented javascript
javascript is absolute trash. That's why there are a million frameworks, because everyone is trying to fix it's poor foundation

>>24710864
I just tried it and it didn't fill in

So is everyone dumping bat then? They didn't do one fucking thing they said this year. No self serve. No other use cases. Uphold only way still to cash out

>>24712050
Problem is, it's a long play. It's been a long play. We've had 3 years of ups and downs and the price is still the same it's always been. This makes it an even longer play, IF they can sustain

>>24709866
Guess it was too fat.

>>24710317
>>24710704
Appreciate all the posts. We're in for dark times, lads.

>>24712096
>No self serve.
Shit like this pisses me off. Self Serve should've been completed by March. Everything was already there and ready to go. Was hoping we would have SKU by now as well.

>>24711444
Why isn't it dumping then? Everyone's heard the news by now and it's decreased less than Chainlink in the last day lol

i had such high hopes for this, it's a shame that over the next few years the token will bleed out and eventually brave will switch to usdc while claiming they still support bat so they can have plausible deniability, but then eventually they will sunset bat and only use stablecoins. then the project will die a couple years after that when brave runs out of ico funding. they should have taken more risks while they were somewhat under the radar.

>>24712050
yea, welcome to everyones 2018 thoughts on the matter
>>24712153
the only thing that can reliably explain how user rewards dropped off a cliff over last 6 months is that advertisers thought the CTR was bullshit and/or botfarmed.

SELF SERVE ADS ARE COMING. TRUST THE PLAN.

hahahahah

>>24712003
well you didn't get "scammed" it was a real project just lackluster execution. The frustrating thing is the technical execution has been B+ / A- meaning technically its fine...it can compete across the board.
Its just been the absolute paralysis on the rewards / token level.

>>24712263
I 100% agree with this post. That’s exactly how I see the next few years plying out. Mix in some false hope and some BAT pumps to 30-40¢ but with the same exact end result.

>>24712215
because i have so much to dump that its going to take me a week to do it without clearing the order book. if you havent gotten out yet, i suggest you do it.

>>24712493
they could have simply just made a roadmap with "BraveTube" "BraveMail" "BraveCloud" "BraveOS" and it would have bought them more time and more community interest but they just tip toed into the waters and were too scared to jump in. if you want to compete with google, you can't half ass anything. sad

He already tweeted it didn’t go well with Apple in the summer.
Brave is trying to take down safari google and windows.

You have to just realize .. this huge token isn’t for you!! You shouldn’t own it.

Basic Attention Token

Think about it.

SAY BASIC ATTENTION TOKEN OUT LOUD TO YOURSELF.
NOW SAY IT TO A FRIEND.

it sounds ridiculous that’s because YOU WERE NEVER MEANT TO OWN IT. It’s not cool!!!????
It’s not cool to say!!!

It’s for corporations to say, advertisers to say.
THEY are the ones that have your BASIC ATTENTION!!!

Because your a BASIC!!

It’s not tipping I don’t tip basic attention. How weird.
Hey bro u want some “basic attention”
Hahahaha why a joke.
It’s all in the name.
It’s the cooperations little nickname for you. BASICS. And your attention and THEIR TOKEN.

>>24712646
I didn't ask why are *you* not dumping yet, I mean the token period. We should have absolutely seen a precipice dump today and we have nothing of the sort.

>>24710501
You're delusional if you think people are going to abandon their current devices and buy a new one just to use a different web browser.

Bought in on July, 2018 and here we are nearing 2021 and still no self serve ads. Now all iOS installs no longer have any incentive to view ads when they are finally released.

I'm out.

Sold for $1500 loss. The $75 I put into Chainlink at around the same time for the memes made me nearly $3,000 profit. I'm exiting crypto entirely, and the fact that I'm still up over a thousand feels like some kind of coup. Good luck guys.

>>24713594
Don't let the door hit you in the ass
Its gonna moon now. Eich tweeted that he never going to stop fighting

>>24713931
Apple controls ~45% of the US market of smartphones. That's like wiping out half the current installs in one swoop. They now have no incentive to participate in the ads program, if it ever releases to the public.

He's essentially fighting to maintain the current level that BAT was at a week ago, not to increase it. And that current level is...not...good... Even if he wins, what is he winning, really? It doesn't mean it'll moon, it just means he'll be able to maintain it at it's current rate which, again, isn't a win.

Regardless, good luck. But the outlook has just been massively downgraded and pretending everything is fine because the CEO sent a tweet is not a prudent investment strategy.

>>24698395
Find a bat thread with alot of replys on a weekday and its talking about the end of bat lmao sad holding bat is pure suffering. So any chance apple reverses this or na

>>24714188
This Apple news is a huge deal in a very negative way. Brave can’t even throw us scraps about BAT anymore. They almost pretend it doesn’t exist.

>tfw use brave on my macbook and iphone

>be me
>turn off app store auto updates
>still get brave ads

Eich is going to ban gay marriage, and that faggot Tim Cook wont be compliant with the TOS guidelines.

Maybe I'm coping, but this might not be as bad as we think. They really need to be doing damage control and rolling out Publisher ads or something.

Anyone else planning on seeing how this plays out and going down with the ship? I'll be here thotposting until the end.

Saturday BAT thread should be interesting at least.

Fire up them brave browsers and watch some porn!

GUYS HELP ME WHAT SHOULD I SWAP MY BAT FOR? I WAS THINKING MONERO I CAN'T TAKE THIS SHIT COIN ANY MORE 3 YEARS WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>24715514
btw I bought Stratis around the time I bought Brave and somehow felt like it was dying and got out at a small 10% profit. I am getting Stratis vibes now but am down like 40% kill me

>>24712092
>muh frameworks
That is the most brainlet anti-JS argument. React is the only thing that matters.

>>24715601
I haven't coded in Javascript for work since 2016 but back then there was a million frameworks (I was there around the time jQuery started dying). It's a shit language and I'm sure in a few years something else will replace React. Also, Brendan made it in 10 days. How good could it possibly be? Have you even worked in other languages?

>>24715514
I sold 275k BAT for TSLA in June. Maybe diversity into some stonks, because crypto seems pathetic right now.

Why are you thinking Monero instead of board favorites like LINK, ETH, etc?

>>24715750
Mommy milkers

>>24715750
Monero actually stands for something and is about 30% down from its ATH which I am pretty confident it will reach again.
I already have 10 ETH but maybe a few more wont hurt
I doubt Link will go up that much more but then again, I bought link at 51c and sold at $3.70 and now it's 4x more so who knows.
As much as I dislike Charles, ADA might also be something I diversify into as well. Shill me some more though
Also I have 2.5 BTC and it is my largest bag, don't need to add to it (BAT was my 2nd and it is painful)

Welp. I don't have much more hope for BAT. Woulda-coulda-shoulda sort of thing, I guess. As always I should have just held Bitcoin, but hindsight is 20/20.

Always a lot of smart, rational posters in these BAT threads. However only the most delusional can brush off this Apple news are unimportant or unimpactful. This is basically a crushing blow, not just because it impacts Brave/BAT users but because of what it potentially foreshadows.

>>24715750
BOOBA

>>24716059
Yea it foreshadows some bad shit for crypto in the future. Then again bat could be the one to blaze the trail.
>>24715514
HOLD FEW MORE MONTHS

>>24716149
I can't tell if you are making fun of me or think an inevitable scam pump will occur please help me I've lost so much

Also look at the fucking freaks on Hacker News. None of these dipshits could ever wrap their heads around Brave or BAT. It's the same with the /g/ crowd - I mean this is the type of nerd freak Brave is up against.

People that are purposely playing stupid and brushing off the evils of Apple/Google/Facebook/etc. in order to attack the little guy. It was always going to be an uphill battle for Brave and BAT, but I think more and more are realizing it's just impossible. You cannot be an upstart tech company fighting Google AND Apple head on. BAT ecosystem was DOA.

>>24716211
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25377688

I hate these people more than you could ever imagine. Redditors on steroids. Probably even stupider than the average Reddidumb. Disgusting.

>>24716229

I use hackernews to find interesting things in my field, with that said, those people are the epitome of the mid-wit basedboys

>>24716211
>People that are purposely playing stupid and brushing off the evils of Apple/Google/Facebook/etc.
Not only that but also missing the concept that with Brave you are the one who gets paid for ads YOU want to view. We already have a "Black Mirror" society.

Guys, when will BAT do something? It's harder to make fun of XRP schizos since their bags actually did slightly move up. BAT just isn't doing it. Redemption when?

>>24716205
>>24716366
No I was being serious. Youll be able to get out in a few months. But how can you have lost so much?? Bat is the only project I havent made shit on but haven't lost anything either.
Link made a shitton
Bunch of other shitcoins are down 99%
Bat not so bad. There is still good support levels. Ill pick up 200-300k more if we dip below 15 cents. Its darkest before the dawn

>>24716462
Oh I haven't lost anything, just...opportunity cost? My money is dusty.

>>24715876
I've thought about Monero, but I'm too scared its going to be banned or cracked and dump to hell. I can def see it reaching its ATH again though barring said events.

>>24716462
>Ill pick up 200-300k more if we dip below 15 cents
That's my plan as well. I want at least 200k if we go around 15 cents. I'm not quite ready to throw in the towel and I'm glad other lads feel the same.

>>24716504
Opportunity to lose 99%
But really if you think bat is going down then sell. But you'll be selling the absolute bottom. It may hit 1000 sats if bitcoin rockets. But will bounce right back.
Look at the size of the team. And compare it with other crypto projects worth x3.
https://brave.com/careers/
That look like a company that is going insolvent? They have said 100 times bat price going up is brave ultimate bet/goal. They just say it in low key post.
You can sell now. But this isn't a shitcoin.

I'm not selling you pissant.

Fucking retards selling the bottom.

BAT was by far my biggest mistake in crypto
What a nightmare

>>24716611
I would suffocate myself in those milkers

I don't think anyone should sell, but at the same time this shit isn't going from 20 cents to 20 dollars like LINK did. You're fucking kidding yourself if you think BAT is ever going anywhere near that, EVER.

This latest Apple news SHOULD cause a dump, that would have been healthy, but since crypto prices are 99% controlled by bot trading it actually didn't do anything substantial. BAT just dumped along with the market due to daddy bitcoin topping off.

We might head back down to 13 cents and then back up to 25 or something - who gives a fuck though? gotta question why we stick around/support this project in the first place

>>24717448
this was meant for >>24716884

selling at 20 cents or 17 cents, who fucking cares dude lol. This shit is going nowhere fast, just buy back in in a year when it's 20 cents again? who fucking cares

>>24716462
Im also looking to pick up 2-300k. As far as im concerned IOS is predominately an American market, and its only mobile. Android is still the global leader and MacOs and Windows still allow brave rewards. Its a 15% haircut right off the top which sucks, but its not the end. Critical failures in things like IOTA have not sunk the coin, so I don't see how this would be any different. The IOS story is not over either. For all we know, brave rewards could come back to IOS in a structured deal, or apple being hit with an antitrust case. Brave is just another member in the consortium, and a jury could side against apple.

This is a bullish dump. And I for one regular in the Saturday bat threads, shall be buying more while they are on sale !

>>24716211
I saw this homos thread. He was literally offended that Google wasn't raping him. I hate HN with such a passion.

>>24718440
>He was literally offended that Google wasn't raping him

lol, I know. If you were to point that out to some fucking midwit retard like him he'd undoubtedly have an "ACTSHULLY...." response that would do nothing to disprove Google etc. raping him. His post literally starts out with "say what you want about Apple here, but". I fucking hate these bugmen.