/biz/ - Business & Finance

>invent a problem
>proposes a shitcoin to solve it
>shill it everywhere including /biz/
>exit scams
>invent a new problem and repeat

>>24630580
>he still thinks it's a shitcoin

see you in the top 100 next year. don't forget it was under a penny for a whole year.

Only 1,000,000 pnk to never go to jail sirs

kleros is the worst idea in crypto, worse than funfair and even worse than bitconnect. this project actually makes me laugh because i can't help it when i think about kleros court hahahahahaha

>>24630645
You don't understand, so I'll repeat
It solves a problem that doesn't exist.
Their next project will be a coin to predict your pet's next bowel movement.

>>24630533
No, you, sir.

>>24630864
sir!! ironic fudding is still fudding, see you in kleros court for your death sentence

>>24630533
That's the House of Commons

Nothing to do with court

oooOOOoooOOOoOOo SIRS I just got picked for my first court case! I promise to send all fudders to Camp Kleros

The idea of court full of you jeets and turbo autists doing the needful is lolz

>>24630935
Okay, how are you supposed to resolve a smart contract dispute in a decentralized, reliable, and cheap way?

>>24630935
justice exists and injustice exists. corruption in the courts exists. enter: Kleros

How do I buy this here coin with out getting raped by fees? I'm a newfag. pls no bully.

>>24630935
Tell that to the rape victim whose case I solved last week
Check mate

i been holding 130k PNK for 224 days straight

>>24630533
>Decentralized justice system
>Parties make an agreement
>Can't agree on outcome
>Go to "kleros court"
>Jurors have to be in this court
>Both sides have to argue their position in front of the jury
>Jury decides
>Neither side has time / skill to argue before juror
>Hire lawyers
>Lawyers start becoming very useful because they can argue well and win a lot of cases
>...
How the fuck is this solving anything?

I would like to bring to the attention of the courts of Kleros, that I, anon, in fact, made this pepe. Exhibit A.

>>24631839
Were you in that case too? I was a juror and boy I tell you it’s always hard bringing equitable justice to the blockchain, especially with rape cases in kleors

>>24631905
You don't argue, you just submit your statement/evidence and that gets judged. There are lawyers that work on kleros court cases to put together evidence and reports for juries but it's not necessary for simple cases. Contracts between individuals in different countries simply CANNOT be adjudicated any other way than kleros right now. No court has proper jurisdiction and even if there was such a court, like the old TPP proposed, it would cost tens of thousands of dollars to take a case to court and get a judgment enforced.

Kleros is simply the future whether fudders like it or not.

>>24631923
I made this pepe

>>24631989
wat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuSps_2wMQ4
>If Alice isn't happy with the job Kleros uses crowdsourced jurors to examine the evidence and settle the dispute
How will they examine the evidence of her unhappiness? If he delivered a bad job they have to examine the job
If he or she can't argue their case it's an incredibly unfair court.

>>24631989
Lmao never going to happen
Can't believe people are buying a shitcoin with a completely imagined use case

>>24632049
That's what I said, she submits a statement outlining her problem with the delivered product, and the jurors examine the product and the contract to see if the product met the terms of the contract or not. She doesn't have to be logged in on fucking skype to give a verbal speech to jurors, it's submitted as a text document along with the website itself.

>>24631989
Why the fuck would people waste their time with a 'kleros court' instead of going to an actual real court where the judgement will actually hold weight?

>>24632087
>it's submitted as a text document along with the website itself.
So she has to make her case in writing even better
>He can't respond with his reasoning
So he can't even be heard or submit his side of the story

>>24632093
would you bother going to a real court when you got scammed out of $50 on ebay because the product wasn't the same as in the picture?

>>24632159
Why would Kleros court get involved when eBay already has mechanisms for dealing with returns/refunds?

memes alone indicate that we will all make it

>>24632159
>Knowing my counter-part can't be hard
>Buy something on ebay
>Claim I was sent something else
>Send my evidence to Kleros Court
>Contract immediately terminated in my favor
>Keep product and money
Retarded shit unironically. Not only doesn't it not solve anything but it also doesn't work. Incredibly unfair system to the charged

If he CAN make his case it's basically our current court-system, but worse, because you have to sit there and argue in writing and online. Same thing like today except it drags on for much longer and you have to argue in writing, and you only have one chance at making your case.

>>24632114
I never said that you shit, of course both sides can submit evidence and their side of the story. Read the fucking white paper.

>>24632093
1. There is no real court that will hear a case between a Vietnamese freelance web designer and a Peruvian sole proprietership.
2. Because the smart contract incorporates Kleros, the judgement is automatic and doesn't need outside enforcement. Once Kleros court rules one way or the other, the smart contract automatically executes.

>>24632188
That's relying on a centralized trust third party. Kleros is designed for a trustless environment where you can't just go to mommy and let her sort it out.

>>24632263
>seller has video of himself packing the item, confirming what the item is, and sending it via tracked mail
>includes the mail tracking number and a link to the shipping company's website where you can clearly see it was sent to the address given by the buyer
>kleros court rules in his favor because the other guy's only argument is "durrr I never received package, vote me pls"

Read the white paper, read the book. Stop being retarded.

>>24632188
because ebay has to pay warehouses full of pajeets to provide arbitration. Kleros is a decentralized system. Also ebay was just an example. Kleros could also be used in the crypto world to stop people getting scammed, so if a shitcoin dev had kleros integration, he wouldnt be able to rug you without risking his pinkies in kleros court

>>24632263
>opposing side submits photo evidence of the item being packed with postage receipt
>your kleros case fails and you lose money

Retarded fudder. Btw both sides can appeal a decision, so not just once. Its obvious you dont actually know anything about kleros court so DYOR newfag

>>24632313
>>24632364
>>24632425
Lmao, this shit is literally inventing problems that don't exist or implementing the exact same solution that's already in place but somehow will be better if it's implemented by Kleros court because the shills said so.

Absolute peak useless shitcoin that will share the fate of the forgotten 2017 ICO shitcoins.

>>24632425
>he wouldnt be able to rug you without risking his pinkies in kleros court
PNK is what the jurors stake to ensure honest votes. As a party to the original smartcontract, he wouldn't risk PNK, the smartcontract would just fail to execute or return funds to buyers or whatever the smartcontract actually says other than "rugpull okay".

>>24632469
Cope harder FUDtard

>>24632668
Hahaha seethe more retard

>actually believing kleros court will ever become a thing in real life
>actually throwing your money at this retarded concept
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>24632425
>Retarded fudder. Btw both sides can appeal a decision, so not just once. Its obvious you dont actually know anything about kleros court so DYOR newfag
OK so that just brings me back to my original point then
See >>24631905
Retarded fucking retards

>kleros pajeet court gets it wrong
>kleros court gets sued in a real court
>kleros shut down for larping as a justice organ

Lmao, what now shills?

>>24632856
You're overblowing the amount of effort it takes to use kleros court for a smartcontract party. Submitting a statement and evidence for straightforward cases shouldn't take more than an hour or two. For more complicated cases, it will take longer. For extremely complicated cases and for large sums of money, yes lawyers may get involved, but they're not required.

Appeals just retry the case, I believe with no new evidence allowed, in case the jurors happened to be retarded the first time. The number of jurors increases and appealing costs more, but the ruling should converge to the truth very rapidly. Read the white paper.

>>24632093
Because it's cheap and if you add dispute resolution via Kleros as part of your ETH contract, then legalities are a non issue, as both parties agreed to use kleros beforehand
> Deposit ETH in contract, in exchange for service
> If completed, approve ETH withdrawal by service-provider
> If service inadequate, hit dispute resolution button
> Kleros jurors decide whether payment released or not, contract executes

>>24632926
>>kleros court gets sued in a real court
Name a single real court that will adjudicate a smart contract where the parties are on two different continents, especially when the smart contract itself states that disputes will be resolved in kleros court. Protip: there is no such court. No court has global jurisdiction.

>>24632926
Who cares if they get it "wrong"? Both parties have to agree to use kleros for dispute resolution during contract creation, rendering it valid. And if you don't like the result, there is an appeal process.

>>24632926
>what is arbitration

>>24630533
I think kleros is a good idea, but I don't see it catching on. Like who tf is gonna make a kleros contract to settle disputes. It's useful for people who don't have access to lawyers or courts, but like how would those people even know about this. I'm assuming there poor/not well versed in tech, how would they understand decentralized justice. Never gonna work.

>>24633153
>who cares if kleros gets it wrong and can't be relied on lmao

Fucking hell
The absolute state of shitros shills

>>24630533
checked

>>24633270
>but I don't see it catching on. Like who tf is gonna make a kleros contract to settle disputes.
The target market is smart contract users, which is why it's on the Ethereum blockchain. Kleros is easy to incorporate into existing smart contract templates. There's lots of room for expansion, too. Companies like Ebay and Amazon, or any online retailer, can incorporate Kleros into their dispute resolution business practices and basically outsource dispute resolution and save money. It can even be entirely automated on their end, with automatic generation and submission of evidence that they filled out their part of the contract and mailed the package with the correct contents to the correct address. Warehouses already track all this information internally for inventory control anyway.

Personally, if I took a freelance job online, I'd insist on using a smart contract with kleros for dispute resolution. I've dealt with flakes before and it's not fun to spend ten hours on a project and never get paid for my work.

>>24633279
If kleros got it wrong less people would use it, and this would be reflected by the price of the token going down (less buyers, more sellers who don't want to be jurors anymore)
Jurors don't want this because they are staking a large amount of pnk

>>24633458
That makes more sense.

>>24633279
I never said "can't be relied on". Only that worrying if the court gets it wrong is a meaningless question, as the court itself decides what's right or wrong, same as any jury. At least in the case of kleros, people are financially incentivized to get it right.

>>24630580
Guilty of baseless accusations. The court is adjourned.

I trust Vitalik. He said use Kleros and I'm ALL IN ON KLEROS.

Are you smarter than Vitalik? I don't think so.

>>24633270

Stupid nigger same shit was said about every fucking technological achievement to date.

HURP DURP WHO WILL UNDERSTAND COMPUTERS AND THEIR KERNELS DIS SHIT WILL NEVER BE USED BY REAL PEOPLE HURP DURP HURP DURP

stfu Fudder.

This coin can go to 0 idc about the price I bought it purely because I like the project. It's unique and it's better than buying another shilled coin here every fucking night.

Dont buy it if you want to make money you probably will anyway but u would be buying for wrong reasons.

How many tokens get lost every fucking day how many scammed thats just crypto this shit can get extended. There needs to be a way to settle disputes on a global scale in crypto no COURT on this PLANET will ever give a shit about 200$ in crypto. Or even more. Even 1000$. No court will ever fucking give 2 shits about a 1000$ claim between different countries. But if 2 parties both accept Kleros then it can be used as a dispute settlement.

Just neck yourself if you cant see this as a possible future for crypto.

Dont buy. I repeat dont buy. Only dreamers allowed on this coin.

>>24630533
This thread is hilarious.
I read a bit about this project before and was skeptical but this dialogue has turned me. I bought some PNK.
SEE YOU IN KLEROS COURT.

>>24632087
>it's submitted as a text document along with the website itself.
she could probably also make a recorded spoken case and put it up on youtube, and put the link to that youtube video in the evidence

>>24634893
>BAT, ETH, LINK, PNK
What's the last one?

>>24635246
it might not be released yet

>>24635246

XRP kek jk

>>24635246
I'm thinking something AI/machine learning related.

>>24635246
HEX

>>24635449
SingularityNet is garbage

>>24635487
What does that coin even do lol.

Whats the easiest way to buy? Should I buy USDC on coin base then exchange it for PNK on uniswap?

>>24635526
Literally nothing. You use it to buy AI services but the AI services are literally worse than what’s available for free.

>>24635556
Yeah thats probably easiest. You can also buy it on hotbit which has a ton of small caps alt coins.

>>24635556
this is what I did
as the other anon said, you could also use hotbit, but liquidity is pretty scarce over there

>>24635738
Would I have to pay huge fees buying it that way? I don't mind paying a little money but would the fee be under like 3% of my total purchase or 5% ish? Thank you based Anon.
>>24635788
Ok cool maybe I'm not completely lost.

Check this shit out, Kleros court already ruled on the trolley problem.

https://resolve.kleros.io/cases/200

Also you can change the URL to view all the previous cases. There's been a little over 500 of them so far, I found this one just randomly jumping around. (By the way I think the question for this "dispute" was poorly phrased since it implies a utilitarian ethics system)

>>24630533
CLEMENNNTTTTTT

It's over.

Hello sirs. Please lend me your attention.
I find the dialogue on this internet thread to be most troubling and disinformative. I am assured by my superiors that Kleros is a highly legitimate project.
Thank you for your attention.

No one can see the use case because you all live in first world countries to invest in a new court system instead of the third world country where this is the only justice they have

Sir. What is the make it stack?

>>24638019
SIR
hello sir.
forty thousand is the recommended number by our kleros engineers
thankyousir

>>24638019
100k make it
10k suicide stack

>>24630533
this shit is never going to work. let it go

>>24638142
Why do you say that?

>>24638142
Someone was telling me they were a juror in a rape case in Mumbai, looks like it's already working.

>>24638142
it's been working, and working well
it just needs a big partner and it'll have room to grow

>>24638142
then..... explain THIS!!

>>24638320
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>24631733
>you
I'm amazed that this mega thread is still going. shows the power of Kleros you dumb fudders

>>24638142
t. lost his case in kleros court and is salty about it

>>24638338
there would be more but jannies keep archiving the new ones.

the memes is what do it for. this is second only to chainstink
even eth doesn't get memes of this qualtiy

Not guilty by reason of insanity.

Most people use uniswap which is expensive. It’s trading on Bitfinex I’ve never used them.

For the fuddlers that think it’s Just a meme court. Let me explain a real world use. A site like eBay could run their fraud disputing system Through Kleros and save a ton of money. The court would be handed the evidence, tracking numbers damage etc. hell you could start your own auction site right now and integrate Kleros into it and you won’t need any customer service staff for disputes. Insane.

>>24638426
this
always bet on meme shit

>>24635082
uh but what if the plaintiff is a tranny, all jurors will see the case in a diff light

>>24638534
>it was paid fuders and he did the needful

>>24638634
>Uniswap
>Expensive
Ngmi