/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>24255034
>I was thinking about not having any gas in the house what so ever, everything running of electricity so infra heaters and stuff.

lmao, confirmed for being some onions bugman that's never lived in a country/state with hard winters.
You will freeze to death the second your powerline freezes and the state tells you it will take a month to fix because you live in the boonies. If you build a cabin like this in a winterous environment without a wood/gas you are going to be fucked.

>>24255127
im not planing to live in siberia
its hungary and next to balaton where I inherited land
the house where my mother and father live now has no gas and they use these infra heaters and they are fine, for backup they have a big log furnace in one of the rooms but thats it

>>24255189
I just checked online and it looks like you guys only get pussy winters where you hit ~-3 max so I guess you're probably fine. I don't know shit about that area though, if it's at any risk of hitting -20+ or massive snow storms I'd at least have an emergency stock of gas heaters/ emergency blankets in case you get fucked by snow one season.
I had a winter that hit -25 where my heating went off for ~10 days and even in an insulated American house I was nearly freezing my dick off and had to wrap up in a shit ton of clothes.
Good luck on your cabin building anon.

>>24255369
thanks anon
-25 where is that?
montana or something?

>>24255189
build a Russian stove house

>>24255034
Wood itself is pretty good insulation, the problem is more in the gaps between logs. Obviously, with modern construction, that's less of an issue. But definitely have a wood-burning stove for backup. In fact, you should use wood as your primary - research "rocket stoves", which burn wood at very high temperatures and extremely efficiently. Electric heat is kind of inherently inefficient, and even a small fire + good insulation will reduce your electric demands significantly.

>>24255522
my grandma had one of these
incredibly comfy
>>24255558
these look pretty cool, are they safe to use indoor?

>>24255369
-20 is definitely possible in Hungary, although such temperatures don't last longer than 2 weeks max

>>24255713
yes its all about the chimney

>>24255522
Complete with free loli.

Siberia-anon here. -40c in winter. Most houses are log-cabin style but some are like the ones in OP pic, but with double wall construction and insulation between. For log-style you can cut them flush like mine in pic on the right, or another insulation method in english is called "chinking", kek.

About electric, its true you can't depend on public utilities. Not just because they are Russian, but harsh weather does knock them out. So in my case I have electric + wood fireplace / stove (this >>24255522) + a generator, water lines + rain catch, septic tank + outhouse.

>>24255406
Anywhere near the Great Lakes in America will fuck your shit up.
Lake effect is a bitch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhAA8mYBqrE

>>24255852
Thats a cool looking dog siberian-anon.
btw is your sister of the cute looking gook/russian mixes?
if so please post pics.

>>24255852
This is the inside of the left house. Its more like a log cabin surrounded by another structure with the roof. My father-in-law threw this sand on the ceiling which I learned is actually how they used to insulate.

>>24255034
>living where there is a winter season
Ngmi

>>24256031
>not having seasons
I would kms

>>24256031
Shitskin genes detected.

>>24255189
You should at least have a little propane heater and stove. They're not expensive, anon.

Here you can see the thickness of the insulation (banya). Its about 10 inches.

>>24255968
I'm actually American. I did marry a mixed altai girl. I'm moving there to escape waging. You can live nicely off $10k per year, so just need $200k or so invested.

>>24256371
post wife feet pics

>>24255369
kek american houses are built like absolute shit

>>24255713
When you build a rocket stove for home heading purposes, you usually surround it with thermal mass (stone or concrete), run it hot until it gets to a certain temperature, and then let it go out. So it's only on a few hours a day.

>>24255852
based as fuck siberia-anon and kek @ chinking, please post more comfy pics if possible

>>24255127
Not the heckin coldarino!

>>24255852
We're reaching levels of comfy that shouldn't even be possible.

>>24255127
I live in rural northern Minnesota power rarely goes out in the winter and it does it’s only for a night at the latest.

>>24255034
>amerifats don't know about insulation
luhmao

>>24257194
>>24257815
It is pretty comfy. The plot of land is very fertile - cabbage, onions, tomato, literally everything grows. Neighbors have chickens. Last year they gave us 4 and I was eating eggs like gaston. In-laws have 2 cows that make unlimited dairy. Wild raspberries everywhere. The basics of life.

At the same time I can get unlimited 4G internet from MTS for like $6 per month.

>>24255558
>Electric heat is kind of inherently inefficient
heatpumps are efficient
>>24258228
>unlimited 4G internet from MTS for like $6 per month
jfc, west EU telecom is such a scam

>>24258228
How old were you when you moved to siberia?

>>24258663
Yea that's the funny thing with rural russia. You can see houses like these with no running water, but connected with 200 Mbps fiber internet.

>>24255034
Are they livable. Yes very
But if you have to ask then it doesn't mean YOU can survive.

>>24255034
that's my dream, good luck with that
>>24255852
so fucking confy

>>24258228
based, did you meet the girl online? I wanna move somewhere similar

Logs are pretty good insulation. Modern construction methods seal the gaps really well.

I helped a (very) little bit with putting one up in Alaska. I was just a kid and saw them doing it and they let me do some of the bark-stripping and showed me how they were hoisting the logs into place, putting fiberglass between them as they put a new one on top of the old, and then plastering over the joint. It was really neat.

Also had family friends who had a custom-built log home. It was gorgeous.

They're plenty warm inside. I don't know how heat-efficient they are in comparison to normal houses, but if you can afford to put up a log home you can afford to heat it. They're not cheap.

>>24255034
>I was thinking about not having any gas in the house what so ever, everything running of electricity so infra heaters and stuff.
bro.... electricity bill wouldn't even be worth it if you are living in a real winter. you put a wood stove in a cabin like this retard. and yes, I've lived in pic related many times. some of the cabins I've wintered in were even smaller and more drafty than that. the woodstove cranks out the comfy heat though.

>>24255980
why have ceilings so high in a house that battles the cold? you get shitloads of snow too?

>>24258799
I've been going to Russia since age 18. I bought the land at 24, in 2014 after the dollar literally doubled on the ruble because sanctions. So I got a 15 coт. plot for 115k rubs, which was like .5 acres for $1,500. I've been living there on / off 6 months at a time (visa restriction). Every summer I build onto the property with my in-laws. Started with just a shed. We go back to the US to wageslave over the winter. Next step for me is residency, which you have to be ready to live there 5 years uninterrupted, so I kind of have to save $ up to my goals before starting that.

By the way water in mine is NOT connected, because pipes would burst if not used over the winters.

>>24257732
>>24256031
>>24256067
Meh. I have Raynaud's, living in a cold climate is sheer hell. Any temperature below 60, my hands and feet stiffen up and circulation to my limbs shuts down. If I ever move back to the U.S. it'll be to south Florida.

>>24256371
Does she have a sister who's single and wants to move to a warm climate and to have some kids? I'm in a warm part of Asia, would love a Siberian qt GF.

>>24255034
Gas electricity septic water internet and septic...
The problem with houses like this, is you still need all the same utilities of a 2000 sq ft house.

I think 800 sq ft is too small and 4400 sq ft is too big.

My ideal size is 2400 sq ft

>>24258228
man this sounds really nice

>>24259523
Yea I was puzzled too but I trusted my boomer dad in-law's designs. The house is just the cube part, and the roof slant is for the snow. It surrounds the whole cube and usually you can make a veranda out front, sort of like a front porch, but the cube is where you insulate. Like this house didn't even bother enclosing the roof part.

Also yes, fuck tons of snow.

>>24259261
Yes but also in person. I did some years of college at Tomsk polytechnic and she was at Tomsk State. Met her on a language learning website called "sharetalk" by rosetta (can't find it anymore). I was trying to learn Altay lang.

>>24260014
cool story anon i'm glad you made it seriously. any plans to return to usa or no real reason?

>>24259566
Anon I hope you’re ready for what you’re committing to.
I’m an expat and have been living abroad for 6 years now. It will be fun and some of the best memories of your life but watching your family progress and age without you is an incredibly difficult hurdle to over come. You won’t notice at first because you’ll be busy having fun with your own life, but one day you’ll look at your mom on a Skype chat and notice how she’s seemed to have aged a decade over a night and you’ll realize how your siblings are starting families of their own that you can’t really be a part of. When you have the once yearly get together you’ll realize how difficult it’s gotten to speak with them since you’re all living such incomprehensible different lives. Then you’ll start forgetting old memories replacing them with new, in the process slowly and subconsciously deleting parts of your family from your very psyche. Expat bullshittery has been fun but now I’m beginning to develop an repatriate escape plan.

>>24260138
people underestimate how important it is, as you get older, to continue to have people in your life who remember you when you were young. this is my story too.

>>24260138
>>24260251
based expat anons this is interesting as fuck

>>24259596
Heh, no but I'm from Hawaii and we're living there now for my work and she hates it and would rather go back to MINUS fucking 40 degrees. That said, she was also miserable in chicago and germany thru the cold as well. I think you can't take a trad girl too far from the trad.
>Kids
Russia actually gives you money to have kids (Maтepинcкий кaпитaл). Putin gave us $6k for the first and $9k for the 2nd. The money can be spent on "dwelling for the child" so I put it all into home improvement. I declared birth abroad at the US embassy so both keedz now have US and RU passports.

>>24260138
Wow those are some heavy black pills. I hadn't really put full consideration into that. My parents are ex-commies from Ukraine so I don't think the culture divide would get too bad, but I do notice them aging. I suppose I could keep the current 6 months rotation racket going until my kids need solid schooling. Right now I'm so fixated on the "escape-wagecucking" phase that I have few thoughts to what happens after its achieved.

Where are you from and where did you move to?
>>24260251
You too, where are living?

>>24255034
Finnish live in wooden houses at lapland. You have to figure out electricity and humidity control.

t. aku

>>24260703
I am from the US and moved to Japan. Initially as a student but the latter 4 years have been at a soulcrushing wagecuck job. I don’t want to scare you or shit on to dreams or anything, I think that living abroad is a great experience for a multitude of reasons, and I probably wouldn’t change my choices until this point, but around the 5th year mark the novelty had basically all worn off. Maybe it will be easier for you if you’re living a simple life and focusing on your new family (while making an effort to stay in contact with your old family) but in my position right now I feel like I’ve sold out my family in the US in exchange for a novel experience, and now that the veneer of “newness” has washed off it feels hollow and meaningless.

>>24258890
based priorities

>>24260703
I've lived a lot of places, but settled back in the US, I'm just on the opposite side from where I grew up. I have kids and a house here though, so I'm pretty grounded where I'm at. would choose differently though if I could do it all over again. It's not just the people, but the place too. Not sure how to explain it, but there's a feeling of home that I don't expect I will ever really have again.

>>24260977
Checked and good insights. I guess the novelty for me would be more about the financial independence, rather than the place. Living off investments is what I'm after, and its only possible in such a low COL area for me right now.

Let's say you didn't have to wage. Would you still enjoy and stay in Japan?

>>24255189
>>24255034

I dunno how you guys live in villages. Just a few years ago, some alcoholic raped some 72 year old grandma in a slav country. Then another relative of that grandma got killed with a brick and his house burned down and someone collected the insurance money.

These are just stories from people I know, within the last year, from one village.

>>24257888
Hey minnesotabro, I’ve spent my childhood and a lot of summers in northern Minnesota. What county you in? Had a cabin in my immediate family in St. Louis county until I was about 19. Distant relatives have cabins all over the state too. I really want a lake lot on the chain lakes in ely (farm, south farm, white iron, garden) so I can build a cabin

>>24256371
>>24261420

Are you fat? Tell the truth. Ne obmanavai menya, ya vseravno uznayu.

Tell me the full story. Why, how.

>>24260703

>My parents are ex-commies from Ukraine

O blya, bratan hohol. Ladno, ser'ezno, raskazivai - kak, chto, pochemu, kakogo xuya, itd.

>>24261420
>Let's say you didn't have to wage. Would you still enjoy and stay in Japan?
Difficult but fair question.
If I had the cash to visit back and fourth at a whim dozens of times a year? Maybe. But I’ve recently had a kid of my own and the realization that I’m not going to get to raise her with my family is getting quite difficult.
Like >>24261348 mentioned I think it’s easy to become rootless if you flutter around too much. I have some great friends here but I’ve come to realize nothing can really replace the feeling of love and acceptance that a tight knit family brings you.

>>24260014

Oh, ok, I guess I read your whole story now. Nm on questions.

>>24261615
>>24261668
No I'm like gaston, ne vru, see >>24258228
Kek what else you wanna know? I met the girl online and IRL in Tomsk 2009. Then I went back to the states. Then in 2010 I yolo'd to Kiev to meet her again. Kiev because no visas required. We stayed in a commieblock vacations apartment in Podil' for 3 months. BTW I was a total newb about Kiev: stray dog packs roaming in the nights, PP Patrol stopping me for burzhui checks, eternally stale pryaniks at furshet, itd, ebin times.

>>24261530
>Village Stories
In Siberia nothing ever happens. People get bored and create fake news. The latest one was, a mad dad murdered a taxi driver with a hammer because the driver was late picking up his daughter. His daughter was waiting towards the evening in the snow at a remote taxi stop, and WOLVES came by and dragged her off. When the taxi arrived, all he found was her boots and leg stumps and a bloody mess.

>>24260460
>Russia actually gives you money to have kids
A lot of countries do that. Hungary has been in the news for it a bunch -- "60 Minutes" keeps rerunning their segment calling the Hungarian government "racists!!!" because the Hungarians refuse to take in herds of African rapefugees and instead pay their own Hungarian people to have babies.

I'm in Taiwan and they're giving out some pittances for it; as usual the government here is too focused on pretending to help people while actually selling everyone out to China to actually do anything real. I think Japan gives out some benefits, and maybe Worst Korea too.

>>24260703
It really depends on your family dynamics. One of the main reasons I live halfway around the planet from "home" is because of my family, and I am very glad to be away from them.

>>24260977
Too bad for you, I guess. I escaped my soul-crushing parents who were micromanaging my life and destroying my future. My mother just wants me to sit in her spare bedroom and run errands for her, all while she bitches at me incessantly about how I should find a job in the middle of the coronavirus scamdemic because obviously all of the shut-down companies are on mass hiring sprees, demanding that I stay inside because I'll get the beerflu and bring it to her, and whining that I won't help her find a painless easy way to kill herself because she's tired of life. There's quite a lot more but those are probably the big three.

>>24262442

haha ebin <3

>stray dog packs roaming in the nights

Biggest thread to your life there, for real.

>PP Patrol stopping me for burzhui checks

>be in Odessa
>see gopniks/gangsters/whatever - walk right past
>see cops
>have nothing illegal on me, haven't broken a single law
>walk all the way the fuck around anyway

>eternally stale pryaniks at furshet

Also, did you know notice the phenomenon I call "the privatization of pussy"? When we were kids, hot girls were everywhere. Then slowly America happened - they all ended up away from private transportation and in nice cars, and then suburbs started to appear.

>In Siberia nothing ever happens.

Dunno, Ukraine is bad. I know the stories I just told are true for a fact. Someone is constantly getting raped in these villages. I would genuinely be afraid to live in one, from experience.

Anyway - I dated a "trad" girl for a little bit. We didn't get along in the end because I wanted her to have goals in life (which she appeared to at first), but then she just wanted to have kids and become a house-wife and that doesn't really sit well with me.

>>24261875
>nothing can really replace the feeling of love and acceptance that a tight knit family
Damn, thats true. My wife's family is way tighter than my own, but I guess I will have to factor in ever-inflating travel costs for yearly trips. Pushes the FI further out...
also flying with infants is absolutely intolerable.

>>24260138
Anon black pills this heavy this early? It’s not even dark out yet.

True and based tho

>>24262692
On the corner of my commieblock, every day, UA version of ДПC was stopping car after car and giving tickets. I couldn't figure out what they were doing.
Taxi mafia was another fun thing I didn't realize.
>arrive at KBP
>angry mob of taxists:Taкcи жeлaeтe!? Taкcи жeлaeтe!?
>no, thanks, no taxi
>wait 8 hours in arrival hall for girl's flight from moscow
>extra swarthy Slavoslav Taxichenko: "are you SURE you don't Taкcи жeлaeтe?"
>no, just waiting, thanks
>girl arrives
>we get in a different taxi
>Slavoslav looking at me with pure hatred from the sidewalk

Then our taxi driver blasted through red lights at top speed right past ДПC, zero fucks given. Also he put on Frank Sinatra "Strangers in the Night" as he knew what we were there to do.

>>24262692
>Privatization
Just adding to that, its so sad what is happening to UA, namely on the IMF debt slavery enforced on them. A few months ago they were forced to unlock the law banning the sale of farmlands. As of July 2021, foreign oligarchs, chinks, banks, etc. can buy up UA agriculture for cheap. UA's most based industry is getting bought out by land speculators. Food prices are probably going to inflate bigly. Truly a sad future. I think that's why villages there are becoming less cozy.

>>24263948
>As of July 2021, foreign oligarchs, chinks, banks, etc. can buy up UA agriculture for cheap.
Damn, I'd better get over there and stake out some land. Thanks.

>>24263669
>extra swarthy Slavoslav Taxichenko: "are you SURE you don't Taкcи жeлaeтe?
My sides

>>24255034
Retaed, get a wood stove. Wood heat is peak comfy, and chopping wood makes you strong and manly

>>24258228
Everything slavs build is ugly, same with other eastern euros. They can not into beauty for some reason.

I would ask this same question of /diy/, maybe /trv/, and definetly I would ask /out/ if this is doable. They're more knowladgable about this than /biz/ is.

>>24263669

This is actually a great heads up not to take airport taxis in slavland to noobs. At best, you get ripped off, at worst you end up drugged in a ditch naked (pretty rare, but still).

>>24263948

Yea, this is depressing as fuck. Fucking Poroshenko forced a lot of businessmen to sell farmland "to the government" for pennies. Something you don't really hear much about. P.S. not into politics, so not shitting on Poroshenko because he was (supposedly) anti-Russia. Just because of the facts.

>>24265419

Have you seen the SU-27 or Russian women?

>>24265419
I think it comes from being poor or moreso trying to look poor to deter thieves. Insides can be pretty nice. One guy on my street is loaded but decided to construct his roof and parts of his walls with scrap metal sheets, including some old billboard pieces, so he has huge picture of Tom Cruise built randomly into his roof. I'll look for pics.

>>24265831
based

>>24265872
how is that based? It's just a commonly used safety precaution

>>24266208
It's common to try and deter thieves by looking poor

it is not common, atleast here in the PNW in the US, to construct parts of your roof out of random old scrap metal and billboard pieces

>>24260460
Based Putin child payments
This is a good thread

>>24255034
DIY

>>24262640
>"60 Minutes" keeps rerunning their segment calling the Hungarian government "racists!!!"
Fuck 60 minutes
Keep the Africans out

>>24255034
Bare minimum is a wood cast iron stove which you can also cook on

Check out alumaice

>>24255034
The only shitty thing with this is, if you want to give it to someone when you die, they have to pay taxes on its estimated value at the time of death to receive it. Even if you built it with your own hands. If you don't care about this though, then ya its definitely doable. There's a guy on the lake that my family's cabin is on who bought one of the islands and built a house there. He mostly stocks up during the winter when the ice roads are open, other than that he just boats stuff back in the summer and keeps a quad on shore to drive to the town to get groceries. He's easily the most based and redpilled person I've ever met as well.

You can make anything winterproof with vapor barrier, insulation drywall/flooring and well-sealed windows/doors with a good heat source. The biggest hurdle will be plumbing and airflow though. You'll probably have to build the house with an insulated/vented attic, and bury your pipes/septic tank below the frost depth in your area (this will vary based on your latitude). You can insulate your water line by running it through a larger pvc pipe (air has an r value, and the pipe will protect against frost), and then running a heated electric cable alongside it if needed. Idk if these questions were answered already, I didnt read the thread

>>24267118
Here's an example of the kind of heated cable you would want to use:
https://www.homedepot.ca/product/waterline-30-ft-pipe-heating-cable/1000173833

I'm doing this and many of my neighbors do.
I have wood stove and propane stove. Doesn't cost much to heat ~$400 for each heat source.

>>24267118
>The only shitty thing with this is, if you want to give it to someone when you die, they have to pay taxes on its estimated value at the time of death to receive it
That depends on the country. Maybe that's the case in Canuckistan but in the U.S. the inheritors currently get "step up basis" and don't pay any taxes on inherited property until the estate hits US$5,000,000.

Biden stated in his campaign that he wants to eliminate step-up basis on inheritances, among many other "reforms" that will make Americans wish they hadn't been so fucking stupid as to elect him.

>>24262692
>she just wanted to have kids and become a house-wife and that doesn't really sit well with me.
fuck you