/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>24053131
Stocks up big crypto up bigger

>>24053666
why though? Trump is good for the market. You will never be a woman btw.

It won't

>>24053846
>Trump is good for the market
sorry but this is just a meme you fell for because you live in an echo chamber. trump inherited a booming economy from obama (which he turned around after inheriting the 2007 crash from bush) and slowed its growth down slightly.

people love this idea that trump is a businessman and because of that he's somehow an economist because both are about money but he's not good for the economy. stuff like nafta/tpp is what you want for a strong financial market, not tariffs and volatility based on fragile ego

>>24053846
Don’t be a sissy little faggot, Trump has done nothing for the market. Imagine if there was a dem in charge these last 4 years who wasn’t trying to neuter tech companies at every turn. The market would have done 2x what it did. Look at the coal stocks and manufacturing stocks and all the shit Trump tried to champion. Nothing happened. Either base your inputs in fact or don’t play a man’s game, because you are a little boy.

>>24053951
>>24053970
Never. You will die a male and your gravestone will have your real name on it.

>>24053951
he's in heavily in debt and isn't even that good as a businessman man
his cultists are just retarded

>>24053984
of course it will, i'm tall, have broad shoulders, a reasonably attractive face and a large dick. i don't need to become a woman when i'm superior to you as a man in all aspects lol

keep seething, chinlet freak

>>24053951
>>24053970
Imagine simping for China like this for free

>>24053999
this

>>24053999
check'd but you're a neocon faggot

>>24053970
Tax cuts increase cash flows, which in turn increase valuation when you discounts cash flows. Read a corporate finance book pleb.

>>24053987
you're not wrong but i think it's easier to sell these idiots on the fact that businessman =/= economist than selling them on the fact that trump actually made his money larping as a businessman on the apprentice

>>24054012
Imagine calling everyone you dont like a neocon

>>24053987
ALL real estate investors are leveraged. That’s how real estate works. You dont buy all your properties in cash moron.

>>24053999
china LOVES having an economically illiterate guy like trump in office, he gets played at every turn. at least if they're in multilateral trade agreements, we can exert economic pressure on them. not that you know what any of this means though, you're not informed about economics

>>24054014
>he thinks corporations actually pay taxes and that tax cuts are relevant for the growth of big tech
i remember being 16 too

>>24054025
muh chiner retards are all neocon faggots who ate up the pentagon propaganda
>>24054038
he's in debt from his retarded campaign, nigger

>>24053999
>>24054011
Imagine not realizing during Trumps presidency the value of the USD went down compared to the Yuan, and he literally made China richer. Can you cucks please go back?

>>24054047
American businesses that don’t have operations in Ireland for the purpose of transfer pricing accounting actually do benefits from Trump’s tax cuts dipshit.

>>24053951
>>24053970
November 2020 has been open season on deluded MAGApedes, I love it.

>>24054063
China devaluing their currency was a major point of Trump's. Dollar getting cheaper compared to the yuan is good and a success for him and makes the US more competitive.

>>24054084
we're talking about it being good for the market m8, the stuff you bet on. not someone making 400k-2 mil a year, who both doesn't influence the stock market and isn't in financial trouble whatsoever. of course tax the fuck out of those guys lol

>>24054047
>china LOVES having an economically illiterate guy like trump in office
Yeah it's so much better when we have someone dedicated to shipping a maximal amount of jobs to China who tells Americans those jobs are never coming back (they did), so much better than enacting tariffs to at least try to protect the American manufacturing base. I love being a debt slave to China and totally at their mercy for anything that gets manufactured.

>>24054063
Yes. That was done on purpose to strengthen exports. Idk if you’re smart enough to understand GDP, but part of that equation is net exports.

>>24053901
Lol, all the weak fags who can't compete in a sensibly regulated free market

>>24054038
>investing in real estate with campaign money given to him by his loyal followers
>this is totally normal
It’s hard to believe anyone could be more cucked than Trumptards. And that’s because they can’t be. You guys actually believe the shit you spew? Lol. Half of pol are literally paid propaganda shills who are just there to trick you. And you are a sheep who falls for it.

>>24054127
>implying Trump brought back any job from chiner

Markets have already spoken they fucking hate trump. He’s a pathetic loser that hates btc fuck him

I think Trump is an annoying fat retard, but I’m absolutely willing to hear about any positive economic changes he made. I can still think he’s obnoxious but recognize achievements, but I genuinely don’t know of any that are legit.

>>24054157
Please provide any evidence Trump leveraged real estate with campaign money while in office. Go ahead, I'll wait.

>>24054186
Trump wasn’t going to tax your capital gains. Kamala will tax them all and give them to niggers so they can buy Jordan’s. Congrats on voting against yourself making it dumbass.

>>24054127
>who tells Americans those jobs are never coming back (they did)
no bud, you're just wrong on this. trump bought back just a few manufacturing jobs, but the retaliatory tariffs from china alone cut US manufacturing jobs by more than that.

you're insane if you sincerely think US will ever compete on manufacturing jobs again, or that we should. we're too rich. we can't have people competing with $3/hr laborers, it's pointless and economically retarded to try. give those jobs up and make people do more useful work

>>24054129
>>24054111
>making our product worth less and our competitors product worth more is good for business.
I can’t even begin to tell you how retarded this sounds. Exporting costs us money. If we have to spend more of it because our money is worth less, that’s a bad thing. If China has to spend less of theirs when exporting to the US, that’s also a bad thing. It’s not hard to understand this.

>>24053846
Grid lock is good for the market.

Daily reminder that trump lost

If markets go up, it was Trump's work! Praise him!

If markets go down, Trump wasn't responsible, he doesn't have a say in it! REEE

You can't have it both ways

>>24054232
You aren’t economically illiterate. A strong dollar means other nations can’t afford our products.

>>24054208
I didn’t say it, your retarded Trump friend implied it. I don’t actually believe that, it’s just funny that’s a defense from a Trumptard.

>>24054260
Hey moron. Why are all the blue states dying and full of homeless people while red states are growing like crazy?

>>24054215
If the market exerts pressure to automate those jobs, we would be able to get them back. The market will never exert that pressure with chinese slave labor though. We are just giving it up to china, who will eventually automate the jobs themselves and probably take economic vengeance on America in the next few decades for the half century of using their people like dogs.

>>24054295
>reality:

>>24054257
They can afford it fine if we’re not being retarded and trying to be isolationist in a global economy. Your world view is small, your understanding of modern business is basically zero. I have built a $100MM business from the ground up and I can tell you the key to business is cheap operations and cheap salaries. You can lower the dollar and sell shit for cheap to people by bringing manufacturing into the US and making everyone in the US poor, or you can outsource cheap labor and have a strong dollar and still sell shit to other countries. OR you can simply choose not to sell shit to countries who can’t afford it because your economy is so strong you get to make that choice. But what you’re suggesting to do is the worst fucking possible outcome that turns the USA into a third world country which of course Trump doesn’t care about because he and his rich cronie friends actually win in that scenario. Do you?

>>24054349
HAve you been to Dallas, Atlanta or Nashville lately retard.

>>24054349

reality

>>24054325
i'm not sure what your suggestion is here. in what scenario does working those jobs here and paying $10/hr benefit us then? either we need to automate them ASAP before china can, or we have to keep buying from china. there's no option where americans work these jobs manually that makes sense

>>24054295

I'm sure those meth-addled dead-end flyover states are sure booming, Cletus.

The Donald is all bluster. He's terrified of authority and once the strong arms threaten to escort him out, he'll flee like a bitch and then tweet about it later.

What he's doing right now is buying time because he's fucked once he gets out of office. So many legal cases have had to wait until he is no longer president to continue with their cases. he has legal fees to worry about, among many criminal investigations. Douche Bank is also aiming to get their money back and China is going to go for blood after what he's done to them.

TLDR, he hung himself and won't be around much longer. He'll croak sooner than later.

>>24054295
That’s not even remotely true. Fuck, you really are just a pol parrot, zero original thoughts. I’m out, have fun with your fantasies, cumstain.

>>24054367
Hey retard. We already are a third world country. We have rigged elections and half the country is brown.

>>24054260
>Trump never did business before getting into office
This is essentially what you're saying which is clearly retarded. He leveraged his real estate before ever approaching the presidency, obviously. You've got to be a troll lol.

>>24054376
>muh anecdotes

>>24054377
these numbers don't prove whatever point you think you're making lol

>>24054376
>lists incredibly blue cities to try to argue red states are growing
HAHAHAHAHHAA FUCK. GOODBYE.

>>24054403
US elections are some of the safest and more secure in the entire world you fucking brainlet. leave it to ethnonationalist schizos to think they're rigged though

>>24053951
Obama had the slowest economic recovery since the great depression. The Trump economy was way stronger pre Covid.

>>24054417

>growing like crazy

Yeah, pretty much does. CA/IL/NY are starting to suffer comparatively. All you did was point out that major corporations tend to be headquartered in urban districts, which are almost always lean blue. We know. The poor niggers who vote Democrat aren't working there.

>>24054436
A few weeks ago you were probably saying Russians hacked the 2016 election.

>>24054444
>Obama had the slowest economic recovery since the great depression.

no way, the slowest recovery since the great depression in the worst economic crash since the great depression?

this isn't even controversial m8 sorry

>>24054379
Americans need to work the job so we keep the expertise and logistics and are able to actually engineer the necessary automation when the time comes. We do need to automate them ASAP, but there is no market pressure forcing businesses to do so and we do not have a dictator like Xi to force the tech sector in a direction that has long term benefit to the country.

>>24054436
Go on the Michigan voter registration database. Go to check my status. Look up William Bradley born March 1902. Zip code 48207

You trying to tell me a 118 year old actually voted in this election? You have the IQ of a rock.

>>24054367
>I have built a $100MM business
Yeah.

>>24054482
You could have done literally nothing if you come into office after a bubble popped.

>>24054232
You dont know how international trade works.

>>24054444
Checked
>>24054482
>giving the president credit at all either way
Absolute brainlet
Back to high school civics with you

>>24054462
..no? nice try though :^) hillary conceded on election night

>>24054500
no one said that out of 150 million voters, not a single person attempted to vote illegally you stupid fuck. the point is that the US is one of the best countries in the world (read: not perfect, no country is) at catching these incidents. also, the 1900 date of births are a commonly used john doe thing you fucking moron.

you know what we do with people who try to vote illegally? we try to catch them and then send them to jail. voter fraud will always happen on the micro-scale, in every country. it'll swing a handful of votes in a county, perhaps. this isn't worth obsessing over, and has nothing to do with the kind of ORGANIZED fraud magats like to write fanfics about

>>24054487
if you're sincerely suggesting we work jobs that are worth 1/3 of what they cost just so we somehow are better at automating them "when the time comes" i can't help but think that's somehow incredibly inefficient and not the best way to automate them

>>24054426
This

>>24054613
>the point is that the US is one of the best countries in the world (read: not perfect, no country is) at catching these incidents
>believing this
Chuckled IRL
Please tell me which stocks and coins you’re buying so I know what to avoid thx

>>24054444
>>24053999
Digits are with trump.

>>24054613
Why would Trump concede when there's evidence of massive voter fraud in favor of Biden?

>>24054609
it's not just the president chump, it's democrat control in general. it tends to work better.

>inb4 why are these poor/bad cities democrat
because people in bad conditions tend to vote democrat. correlation=/=causation. and also i'm sure some dem governors suck ass, don't care about that though, it's about the broader picture

>>24054536
agreed! the state of the economy when you come in is very important, which is why it's telling that obama started with the economy in SHAMBLES, and trump started with a booming economy :^) my point all along

>>24054661
which countries do better at catching voter fraud? i guess north korea, because all the ballots are only for 1 guy

>>24054680
no, there literally is no such evidence at all, which is why all of his lawsuits have been massive failures and nothing has come of his efforts to uncover widespread fraud, whatsoever?

if you're going to link me some boomer conspiracy site about 3 people who voted while dead, yes, this happens every election, for all candidates, on a tiny scale. no one cares about it

>>24054426

The cities are only "blue" because that's where poor brown people and liberal yuppies cluster. They tilt the overall vote of the city, but they aren't the engine that drives the service economy there (which is supported by the combined effort of the state economy). 90% of homicides are in cities too.

>>24054656
Those blue cities are in states with limited government and low taxes dipshit.

>>24054675
>If digits mattered
We'd be fucking billionaires on this board.

>>24053846
this is not true, despite what republicans tell you. the dems have been the party of wall street and big business since clinton.

>>24054717
His lawsuits are failing because he’s a protectionist president and all the judges are in the back pocket of globohomo neoliberalist companies.

>>24054682
Imagine being so clueless and insecure you needed to make a non sequitur statement defending democrats that had nothing to do with my point lel
Congress has plenary power over spending and money. I’ll give you a minute to look that phrase up, dipshit. And republicans controlled Senates are actually the single best predictor of a strong economy, to the extent that red or blue votes do anything at all.
You are a dumbass redditnigger and you need to either give me your opinion on stocks or fuck off

What do bidenfags propose we do about the literal fake economy we have going on right now? Do you think a nation with over half of the workforce working in a hospital, 25% of people on welfare, a tiny cluster of meth heads working factory jobs, and everybody else driving for uber or pushing paper around, is destined for long term success?

Or does this sound like a late, decay stage society and economy to you as well?

>>24054766
COPE, they're failing because he's a delusional retard like his fans, who has a severe psychological shortcoming that makes it impossible for him to ever admit defeat or error

>>24054682
Yes the economy was in shambles and he had the slowest economic recovery since the great depression. Compare it to the Reagan recovery that you posted beforehand right here >>24054482

>>24054787
>who has a severe psychological shortcoming that makes it impossible for him to ever admit defeat or error
Coming from the guy who thinks the president controls economic prosperity
Laughed out loud

>>24054761
This. Clinton installed a Goldman Sachs banker at Treasury, this was the moment the flip happened

>>24054787
You’re the retard who hasn’t figured out that 130000 ballots coming in are 4 AM all for one candidate is statistically impossible. Shit voter turnout in Wisconsin was 8 standard deviations above the historical mean, meaning it’s next to impossible.

Sorry your community college math classes suck so bad.

>>24054782
This is largely because greedy boomers refuse to die or pass their money onto their children

>>24054782
>we have going on right now
excuse me, who was the president for the last 4 years? you guys love to do this shit where you point at something trump did and say "this is bidens america" lmfao

>>24054794
>it's easier to recover from a smaller crash
holy shit, really?

>>24054842
>excuse me, who was the president for the last 4 years? you guys love to do this shit where you point at something trump did and say "this is bidens america" lmfao

Someone who was trying to fix the issue caused by the prior 3 decades of uniparty cronies selling off our industry? Look at the dates, retard

>>24054837

It's more because greedy coastal boomers who run our government decided the midwest didn't need to have a functional economy anymore and their friends in China could have it instead. And now we have one of China's best friends leading the country.

>>24054831
>You’re the retard who hasn’t figured out that 130000 ballots coming in are 4 AM all for one candidate is statistically impossible.

yeah, because that didn't happen mate lol. keep recycling that fake news that was explained perfectly sensibly less than an hour after it occurred, and you fucking mouthbreathers still think it's real

>>24054806
keep pretending you're not seething, i'll be awaiting your citation about republican control of the senate

>>24054842
>democrats lock cities down
>economies in democrat states and cities destroyed
>covid the absolute worst in democrat strongholds
>AHHH ECONOMY BAD BECAUSE ORANGE MAN!
double digit IQ

>>24054717
>which countries do better at catching voter fraud?
Any western country where you need a fucking ID to vote (all of them)

>>24053131
That’s not true, the court cases are being filed they’re winning on key law suits. They even got Wisconsin or Michigan electorate to turn. Not only that but counties in Nevada are not certifying. You must be from Reddit. Go back to where you belong heathen filth

>>24054897
So you’re stupid enough to believe voter turnout in Wisconsin was 8 standard deviations above the mean?

>>24054842
>it's easier to recover from a smaller crash
It's easier to have GDP growth and stock market growth if they're both already down. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

>>24054897
>do my homework and spoon feed me
Lol no, retard
>pretending I’m not seething
Idk what you even meant with this. You haven’t the slightest clue on how the government works and you’ve backed yourself into a corner on an anonymous forum. Just leave the thread dumbass but first tell me which stocks you think are going to break out so I can short them

Welp. It’s over.

>>24053951
For a board about business you sure know fuck all about the economy. First, the fed determines the condition of the economy more than the president does. Second, we went through an actual devestating recession under Obama. Did you communist trannies forget that? Third, we had a historically good run on the stock market under Trump.
Finally, you will never be a woman. Dems are terrible for economies. Markets work at maximum efficiency when business have more freedom. Your party is anti-freedom. Why? Because you're a commie transvestite.

>>24054869
this is delusional cope, bottom half of US household for instance is still down about 30% from where it was in 2006, read the rest of this thread if you want an explanation on why it matters what kind of economy you inherit.

rest of the pic is retarded too of course, the wall is a massive waste of money for instance

>>24055022
>Second, we went through an actual devestating recession under Obama. Did you communist trannies forget that?
Happened during the Bush administration when the loan bubble popped you fucking nonce. It carried over into Obama’s admin and he had to stop the bleeding because Bush didnt give a fuck.

Holy fuck I didn't know /biz/ of all places had so many trannies. Dilate.

>>24055022
>Dems are terrible for economies
you should learn a bit more about neoliberalism in the past 3 decades

>>24055074

Are you trying to convince people of anything with this low effort diarrhea? The statistics are real, he was actually helping the middle and lower classes.

>>24055141

It's "make a quick buck at the expense of the future", the ideology. And the future is coming quickly now. With that said neither GWB or GHWB were any different than Clinton or Obama, the real issue are neolib/neocon unipartitarians who distract Americans with social issues while having one unified economic strategy that involves mass globalism.

>>24054904
>assigning opinions to me that i don't hold
lol

but yes, trump could have been way stricted on covid back in march and the economy would have been hit less hard

>>24054927
>he still believes voter ID makes a meaningful difference and isn't just a suppression tool
sweaty..

>>24054955
good point, we should destroy the economy on purpose so we can make number go up

>>24054963
okay thanks for conceding the point about the senate

>>24055022
>First, the fed determines the condition of the economy more than the president does
no one said otherwise

>Second, we went through an actual devestating recession under Obama
literally kill yourself on the spot you subhuman retard nigger, the recession STARTED BEFORE HE TOOK OFFICE LOL

>Finally, you will never be a woman.
i'm attractive and have a large penis, i don't need to be a woman m8, i'm twice the man you are

>>24055094
Exactly your chart would look like shit if it happened during the end of Obama's presidency and Trumps would look even better because it would have recovered way faster under him. And dont try to claim that it wouldn't have popped if Obama was president because the legislation that caused the bubble had bipartisan support.

>>24053131
You will never be a real woman

>>24055148
"he was helping"
read:
the economy grew, as it was already doing before he took office, and bottom half wealth continued to climb at about the same rate it had been climbing under obama

>>24054975
is there a statement from the trump campaign or is this just more media fuckery?

>>24055228

Incorrect. Bottom half was not doing well under Obama. And despite taking over after a crash, Obama was the first Prez to never see a year of 3% GDP growth. And since you're on /biz/ I'm assuming you're aware that recovering from a crash usually involves a temporarily heightened growth rate as things rebound.

My question for you is: do you actually care about the welfare of America or are you just here to spread FUD? There are no flags on this board so you could just as easily be a seething Euro who's happy some senile crony dinosaur is back at the wheel here

>>24055285
yeah dude, reuters (one of the most reputable media outlets, known for totally fabricating stories) is just making it up

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>>24055185
>assigning opinions to me that i don't hold
You do in fact hold that opinion if you think Trump is responsible for the current state of the economy. Before the pandemic, the economy was literally the best it has ever been.
>but yes, trump could have been way stricted on covid back in march and the economy would have been hit less hard
The lockdowns were extended for political reasons only. Many red states did much less of a lockdown and faired better than blue states.

>>24055303
So no statement from the Trump campaign. Thanks, anon.

>>24055298
>Incorrect. Bottom half was not doing well under Obama.
>And since you're on /biz/ I'm assuming you're aware that recovering from a crash usually involves a temporarily heightened growth rate as things rebound.

i'm actually blown away by the schizo dissonance here.

5 seconds before arriving at the second sentence you completely disregard the state of the economy as obama took office, and then you reach the second sentence and suddenly the lights are back on in your head and context matters again

you can't have it both ways chump.

>>24055347
>You do in fact hold that opinion if you think Trump is responsible for the current state of the economy
what gave you the impression that i think that? he's responsible to the extent that he worsened the covid situation by not handling it well, unlike say, south korea which absolutely crushed it despite having a more dense (and still huge) population and is now suffering no ill effects

but of course covid in general isn't his fault. where would you get the impression that i think that

>The lockdowns were extended for political reasons only.
no, they were extended because america, unlike every other first world country, never even had a period of real relief. thanks for trumps inaction and rhetoric covid was never actually handled well, and the second lockdowns were exactly what every other country would have done, if it had that many infections per capita

>>24055359
>“This morning we are withdrawing our lawsuit in Michigan as a direct result of achieving the relief we sought: to stop the election in Wayne County from being prematurely certified before residents can be assured that every legal vote has been counted and every illegal vote has not been counted,” Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani said in a statement.

almost like reuters does not just make up news stories for no reason

>>24055478
Extremely doubtful any meaningful lockdown could happen in the USA which is 100 times larger by area than south korea with 6x the population. In addition, there is a constitution that people such as yourself like to wipe your ass with for a virus that has a 99.8% survival rate. Just pure cowardice. This is precisely the type of scenario that is used as an excuse to destroy civil rights and cuckolds such as yourself are totally ok with it.

>>24055816
>Extremely doubtful any meaningful lockdown could happen in the USA which is 100 times larger by area than south korea with 6x the population.
>we can't do the ideal thing, so we might as well not even try anything and downplay the virus like trump has

literal non-sequitur friend, just because a full lockdown is challenging (also not necessary to do a full nation-wide lockdown anyway) doesn't mean any lack of action is thereby justified

and yeah, being a consitution cuck is pretty sad lol, imagine being obsessed with a piece of writing from hundreds of years ago. pure paranoia either way, no one is seriously infringing upon your rights any more than they would be if there's a curfew due to riots.

Is pol still coping?

>>24055376

This is incoherent nonsense. I don't like using the reddit word much but you're quite literally gaslighting.

>>24056165
Woman. Never.

>>24053131
Presidents don’t matter, the fed run the show.
Take this discussion back to /pol/

>>24056658
you've never been with a woman?

A pajeet shitcoin thread died for this garbage. Imagine trying to convince a business and finance board that you're a woman.

You will never be.

>>24055971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN2cQsT_DvQ

>>24056840
Trump is unironically of female gender

>>24053901
This is treason.

>>24057017
Lmfao cope migatard fuck tour zogdaddy

>>24057279
Your*

>>24053131
Trump won

>>24054782
Absolutely nothing, because too many retards believe the President actually has any meaningful impact on the economy. As the picture you posted shows, the dismantling of the US economy was planned decades ago. What we see is what happens when you switch to a finance economy from a production based one.

>>24053131
did Kleros really settle this, if not it aint over!

>>24053131
All depends on the senate.

If senate stays Republican and those politician retards keep blocking each other from fucking everything up ---> stock market go boom

If the senate goes Democrate and those morons try any of their big programs, stock market either goes sideways for 2 years or goes down a lot

>>24053131
wen rumpy preziden??=