/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>24030828
>putting plants in bocals rather than in the ground
Onions

if you dont have at least 9 baths youre ngmi
https://www.century21global.com/property/gouveia-guarda-6290-081-portugal-C21118409238-USD

I just need this

>>24030901
a wagiepod?

>>24030901
no bathroom

>>24030828
Unless Portugal plans to change its crypto legislation, there's going to be a lot of us there

>>24030828
dangerously based.
this is exactly my plan.. make it and buy rular home in Portugal/Spain

>>24030828
i literally live in third world shit. DONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

id rather be in california struggling to pay off some shitty house that at least gets more valuable by the day and people are happy to be alive. everyone here is fucking miserable and the land is so fucking worthless its not even worth plowing down my shitty house and building a new one

FUCK ME

>>24030890
Nah dude. Just want a little farm and smoke weed and lift.

>>24031018
poo in the loo

>>24031188
>Just want a little farm and smoke weed and lift.
you would be based if you didn't mentioned weed

>>24030828
>>24031129
i'm just thinking about something closer to the coast

>>24031133
Portugal?

>>24031225
>you would be based if you didn't mentioned weed

>>24030875
it looks rocky, anon should need to renew the soil there.

>>24030828
Six figures for that are you serious?
I was expecting it to be one of those rundown hovels they sell for a couple of hundred Euros

>>24030890
Damn. that looks sick af to retire in

>not building a cabin in the woods in the middle of a huge plot of land, days from any kind of civilization - then laying the land with all kinds of traps and no trespass signs after installing barbed fence all around
>not building a huge, self sustaining bunker under said cabin deep enough to be safe from ANY kind of threat and ai cameras all around the land with alerts in said bunker alerting you from possible trespassers (they're a must have)

ngmi

>>24030828
>finally get to move back to Okinawa
>this time it’s not a $480/mo 1LDK on the western fringe of Naha
Don’t give me hope like this, anon
This sort of vulnerability is dangerous

>>24030828
I think there are villages/small towns in Spain (?) where you can get a house for free/extremely cheaply if you actually live in it. They are trying to stop those villages from dying out.

>>24031447
(the defensive turrets in strategic positions all around that land with a vent like road from the bunker should be obvious too - thats for if the cameras give you alert of a possible threat)

>>24031502
Yeah, in Italy too. You can get s house for a euro.

>>24031447
Wut does ngmi stand for? I am a faggot retard nigger coomers. Ngmi?

>>24031100
Excellent choice. low cost of living.

>>24030828
is your only goal to run away? you realize you can do this without being rich right?

Portuguese here

Without a doubt, this is one of the best countries in the world to live a nice and peaceful life, if you have the money.

Pros
>great weather all year
>everything is cheap
>low crime, especially in the rural areas
>great food
>if you like nature, we have everything, beaches, forests, mountains, all within 3h max travel
>no dangerous wild life
>almost everyone speaks english
>beautiful girls

It's only "bad" for the people that leave here, our wages are shit

>>24030901
Looks depressing

>>24031732
"live" not leave port bro, how many black people are everywhere ? are they agressive?

>>24030828
Cute house, love it, why Portugal tho?

>>24031732
I'm a non-white, would I get lynched if I decided to live there?

>>24030828
Ramp will help us buy our homes once it blows up

For me, it's the £2 billion 84 sqm 2 bedroom apartment
https://www.century21global.com/property/westminister-london-sw1p-united-kingdom-C21123238899-USD

Those houses tend to be in small villages in the middle of nowhere. Even as a neet you will find it boring when towns nearby don't have the consumer products you want.
Internet won't be great either.
Also forest fires can be a bitch.

t. Alberto Barbosa

>>24030828
My plan, invest in Ramp, and any other credible projects. Save up, open a chocolate brownie business franchise And thrive

Is it difficult to find good defi?
Looked through DYMMAX (dymmax.com), they developed a referral program with Probit, wanna take part. Good staking model, private sale was finished with 1mln funds.

>>24031648
>is your only goal to run away? you realize you can do this without being rich right?
I just want a farm and financial freedom to continue travelling the world. This house was obviously used as an Airbnb - nice passive income while I'm banging trannies off tinder in Bangkok.

>>24031860
Also it's overpriced

>>24031791
>leave
Didn't notice, my bad
>how many black people are everywhere ? are they agressive?
Depends on the region, if you want to avoid emigrants just go somewhere far from the main cities Lisbon and Porto. But even there, there is low crime.

Happy to answer any questions

>>24031803
No capital gains tax when you cash out and everything >>24031732 says.

>>24030828
how would one go about cashing out in portugal? would you have to be a citizen?

>>24031447
Never mind you faggot piece of shit. I looked it up on nigger booktionary and it mean "nothing good must incinerate"
Classic nazi shit. Kys

>>24031791
Lisbon is 80-90% portuguese, anywhere else is basically >95% portuguese. There are a few nogs from macacoland but they're nothing to worry about (for now).

>>24031919
What do you think of that Portuguese House, Portuguese anon?

>>24031791
No, they're not agressive, but they'll steal your shit, beat you up and rape your gf, just the same.

>>24031929
>how would one go about cashing out in portugal?
Buy a POS house for 5000 euros, open a bank account - cash out. Or if you're a euro it's much easier.

>>24031919
Tell me aboit the girls, Portunon. Are they weird and cliquey and masculine like Spanish girls?

>>24030828
i am pretty sure you are being massively ripped of if its listed on century 21
can any porto bro expand on this, do these house really go for 170k and how do people there afford them?

https://www.imovirtual.com/anuncio/moradia-t2-2-no-lombo-do-meio-canhas-ponta-do-sol-ideal-para-alojamen-ID13TNH.html#12d44782c2


Here is one for about the same price but in Madeira. That's where I'm going. Literal paradise on earth.

>>24031978
It's a nice rustic house, usually found in some rural areas, not for my taste

>>24031816
Of course not

>>24030828
Almeria area of spain is cozy but they just clamped down on crypto. Im looking to leave the UK as soon as possible

>>24031860
no one here will listen to the small town meme. i keep trying to tell them theyre going to go to a small town and spend 20 years setting up their life and realizing it sucks and they already wasted their life and stuck there

yeah im sure youre the ONE fucking person that likes alaska and minnesota

>>24031225
based bro, are you me?

>>24030828
Portugal is the cuckest place in the whole of cucked yuroland . Just see how cucked these idiots are , they're welcoming you fucking losers in, knowing full well, as soon you get here, Gov is springing the trap , and take their cash away, to pay for nigga babies . Imagine the cuckdom .

>>24032055
Yes, it's a problem here, they are too overpriced. That's why most people live on smaller citys nearby or just rent there

>>24032017
no way it could be this easy

>>24030828
looks boring OP
also looks like something I can already afford
who wants to lvie in the middle of nowhere

>>24030901
there should be holes in the floor and the kitchen sink have an extending shower head

>>24030828
I'll probably never make it, but if I do, i'd like to live somehwere like this.
Pic related is Geirangerfjord, Norway

>>24031881
so yes, your only goal is to run away and masturbate your ego. sex is free if you're not a genetic disaster.

>>24030901
live in the cage eat the bugs
>>24032153
perfect for waffle stomping turds

>>24031919
>>24031957
hmmm interesting, what's the monthly payment for like a small flat i can live by myself? I only need good internet, can be in fuckin village. there's no crypto tax right ? so i can fuck off there and pay zero taxes ?

i was trying to look for places in main towns, and they were expensive and not too many to choose from in long-term like 6-12 months perspective, spill some beans where i can go and what websites i can see for flats there

>>24032194
If you need good internet, then Portugal is not for you.

Build quality will be poor. South and Eastern Europeans are shitty builders. I guarantee you there will be leaky faucets, showers, wobbly kitchen elements, the roof will not be straight after some time, ...

Source: I travelled around quite a bit

>>24032290
i mean 10 or 20 download , and 10 upload would be fine. not looking for fiber etc.

currently im using 40/10 and its enough for my needs.

>>24032378
Then, you're stuck living in the bigger cities, amongst all the niggas. Most of them can't even speak portuguese, despite being born and raised here.

Probably some desolate area of norway with just nature in most directions

Kinda hard to find real estate there from an english google search so this is all I came up with in a minute

https://www.all-real-estate.com/property-details/bauthiful-house-in-stunning-surrondrings-10237

>>24032194
>>24032290
>>24032430
I live in a small village and I have solid 1Gbps
rent varies but I find most for 300euro a month

>>24032101
kinda true, Portugal treats foreigners like kings
you fuckers are annoying and pay basically 0 in tax

I'm buying the Rio in Vegas fuck it

>>24030875
Autist

>>24032430
fuck all that, i want to live in small city then
>>24032616
show me some offers/websites as example for 300€, is this total price for a month? like electricity,water etc ?

>>24030901
eat the bugs and take the vaccine

>>24031447
BASED (in a nuclear bunker)

https://vinhomes.vn/en/sale-real-estate/vinhomes/vinhomes-golden-river.html

>>24030901
believe me you think you do but you don't

>>24031100
Based, we are already working on the citadel lads.

>>24032175
>sex is free if you're not a genetic disaster.
growing up in the modern world fucks you over in a lot more ways than simply genetics can
high chance parents are divorced, broken families everywhere if the father even stuck around to see his kid. being raised indoctrinated by extreme globohomo and being taught to hate yourself (if white, especially male) for nearly all of your formative years can really do a number on a dudes mental. and then you realize it's happening across the entire west.
All I'm saying is, nobody gets to pick the environment they grow up in.

Who thinks crypto villages might pop up? Anons but up property and make loose communities. Trad girls might move there to find a husband too.

I'd be able to live off my eRSDL divs easily.

>>24030828

>>24031502
>>24031613
Do you need to be a citizen? Or just EU?

>>24031618
>>24031938

>>24032175
>if you're not a genetic disaster.
I def have some disaster in my DNA

>>24031816
nigga why u think its called moortugal?

>>24033143
sounds a lot like myself, that didnt stop me from having wider goals though, what did stop me was seeing how many millionaires /biz/ creates who spend their wealth running away from any form of responsibility, just like their own shitty fathers. i was planning on helping the world, now i just want to escape from it like the rest of you much richer faggots since i dont want to make the world a better place for them.

>>24031919
I went to Lisbon and porto before, your country is beautiful anon. Loved the area around Sintra

>>24032730
I usually find houses through acquaintance so I don't know much about doing it online
https://www.olx.pt/anuncio/t1-no-centro-fig-da-foz-com-despesas-incluidas-IDG54EY.html
https://www.imovirtual.com/anuncio/apartamento-t1-garagem-junto-ao-lidl-ID14Eg0.html

>>24033171
oh yeah, "trad" girls

>>24031613
>You can get s house for a euro.
>>24031502
>>24033404
You're not getting a livable house for a single euro lol

You need to do $17k USD minimum in renovations (legally). Don't worry about legal minimums though, because you're realistically looking at $60,000 or even up towards $100k in renovations, in addition to a place to live while they are done.

Also got a figure of $400 in taxes and a $5600 deposit that is returned upon completion of the $17k renovations

>>24033171
>Trad girls might move there to find a husband too.
>>24033583
Trad girls don't just up and move to find a man lol

That's what NYC bar sluts do

>>24030901
>Looks like the link logo

Fitting for a linkie

>>24033171
We need kibbutz citadels, going full homestead cryptos.
Need to prove holdings by signing to get in.

>>24033621
That's still pretty cheap for land in a small town if you get closer to 60k

>>24031502
You can get some good, cheap RE in Andalusia that's close to the Med. I can't think of any off the top of my head, put the small villages in Spain are comfy as. Alternatively, if you were to want to live in a city, go to Valencia. It's just big enough where it's lively, but not jam backed like Madrid or Barcelona. The food there is excellent, phenomenal beaches, and the RE is petty adorable as well.

>>24033828
Ya. still cheap. One should just know what they're getting into.

Tryna save that one guy who will try to fly to Sicily with a $20 bill and start living

>>24032360
What are you talking about, Portugal isn’t as corrupt as other non-NW Euros, their roads are impeccable.

>>24032055
Always search local listing agents in the native language. Sites like that are catering to wealthy expats and have them pay out the ass for perceived "modern comforts". Email local places and enquire there. You'll get the best value for money that way.

>>24033512
t. Syrian-Lebanese eternally butthurt shitskin

>>24030828
Don't have a pic, but I'm going to buy a plot of land by Punta del Este and build a house complete with a state of the art home gym, sauna, pool, full sized bar, and a favela proof wall surrounding the property. Uruguay is cheap, homogeneous, has barely any niggers, and politically irrelevant enough where you don't have to worry about any geopolitical issues.

>>24031100
Doesn't help US residents.

>>24031618
ngmi means not gonna make it
also theres google, newfag

>>24033839
Great festivals too, love Valencia.

>>24033565
thanks

>>24030901
anon if i had to live in this shithole i would kill myself.

>not buying a massive comfy house in nature

couldn't be me.

https://www.green-acres.fr/properties/218226a-764864.htm

>>24031018
Use the sink

>>24030901
How would you even fuck in that? Look at how close that bed is to the ceiling, you're really going to have someone cowgirling you there? And if you're disabled, forget about using that bed in the first place

>>24034983
In the future all disabled humans will be forcefully healed so they can be hardworking productive people

>>24031133
Portugal is not third world shithole though

I dont get it... all you people who just recommend moving to Singapore or some euro shithole, what about your family and friends back home? Wont you miss them? Do you even care?

>>24035392
Everyone in this thread is LARPing.

>>24031919
>>24031732
I'm from Latvia and would actually want to travel to Portugal with my family and spend gloomy winter months at the seaside enjoying sun.

How much would it cost to rent a 2 bedroom apartment for 1 month that is with a nice view close to the sea? What are the living costs?

Are there co-working spaces for IT people to socialise with normies?

How much should I expect to spend living there per month?

Im getting a "masia" in catalan pyrenees

>>24032064
looks like paradise indeed, what is the catch?

180K EUR seems cheap for such view and location. Is it infested with crime and niggers?

>>24031133
California is hell. I am considering a boat offshore of Portugal.

>>24031938
Ngmi

>>24032164
norway is cold depressing and full of autist betas and SJWs

>>24035683
No its a paradise so why would there be crime and niggers? The only foreigners as far as i know are Venezuelans but they are mostly portuguese descendents coming back.
The cons is that its an island. Dont know about ordering stuff online, never lived there, but its top comfy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZf2Q05GaI

>>24035392
Don't have any friends. Would somewhat miss family, but I already live in a different city from them so it wouldn't be that different.

>>24032290
starlink will solve that

>>24035683
Madeirans are like Portuguese but with significant African plantation slave ancestry and other slave populations such as Jews and Moors. Besides that, it’s still better the avg. muttamerican.

>>24032084
I've lived in rural minnesota my whole life. is something wrong with that?

This one looks great. I can live like Diogenes.
https://www.idealista.pt/en/imovel/30112607/

>>24035866
This isnt true, you must be an /int/ haplogroup spammer autist

Portuguese Breezehome

Açores is 100% my game plan. Already scoping plots of land on S.M. Already approved for naturalization thru descent. Already improving fluency in pt-pt. Best dairy in the world. Best fish. Alcatra, Feijoada, people there still make fucking truckloads of filhoses & malassadas for carnival before Lent.

I still have to work on the cash-out strategy. Already set up with Activobank + Revolut credit card for day-to-day. But for large purchases, property for example, I will need to change BTC into EUR.

>>24036102
Wont you still have to pay US taxes? Or are you Canadian?

>>24030890
vanity is for weak faggots

>>24030828
why u buy small house when rich? stupid whaitu piggu

>>24032101
Well, I kindly invite you to look at France and UK in terms of cuckery, you can't beat them.
t. former French

>>24030828

>>24030828
are you making it with DUN?

>>24036211
I'm American. I assume you mean continued taxes on my income, which will be mainly from dividends and option selling through my US brokerage accounts. So yea, 30% of that I can count on losing. Crypto I am not sure. How would the IRS know? How would they figure the cost bases. I have some from 2013 and everything in between. Some I purchased with ACH, some with credit card some with EUR girocard, and some with SEPA spread all over the place. I know Novobanco d. Azores will cash it into EUR from a lot of exchanges, coinbase for example. But then what will coinbase tell the IRS?

>>24031732

>>24035969
Yes, that I am. Madeirans have slave blood.

>>24036102
DELETE NOW

DO NOT TELL ANYBODY

>>24030828
Does Portugal allow their citizens to own guns though???

>>24037339
Yes.

>>24035911
Retard
Ignorant and still in the cave

>>24036610
Looks chernobyl tier

>>24037339
Hunting license for hunting rifles. You can get pistols but you need to justify a need for it i think so.
Its not America bro, you can mount a 50 cal on the back of your truck and own an RPG

>>24036924
You pretty much have to give up your US citizenship due to your tax laws. The banks share info in Portugal with the other signatories to the banking privacy act for data sharing. Take a look at Georgia Anon. It might be what you are looking for. Plus Georgian banks aren't signatories but in good standing with EU banks.

>>24037447
cant**

>>24037355
>>24037447
Well I could pull it off & frankly my heart yearns for Portugal & Spain.

>>24037474
I understood what you meant anon..

>>24037461
So the flow would be, Crypto to Lari, Lari to Euro, no questions asked? Interesting, I will take a look.

The signatory banks are a tough barrier. I have a novobanco account from way before FATCA (which costs me 60 EUR / year just to maintain...) I tried to open another account in Porto at MBP and they literally turned me away when I whipped out my passport. They said they would open accounts for any national in the world EXCEPT US Americans because of the tax reg compliance. Same thing with a security deposit box.

>>24034226
Imagine being this cucked.
>tfw American 2 years lived in PT
>he thinks I'm paying taxes to americuck
>notgonnafuckingmakeit
You think all these rich fucks who game the system got to their status playing fair? Get absolutely fucked. Also, remove thread please, Portugal is a gem, stay out you fucks :)

>>24038113
Actually...nice.
>>24030828

OP is a stone based home owner

>>24037819
Try Santander in Portugal for your EU bank, and avoid SOLO in Georgia, they are the only cunts away. Use Bank Of Georgia. Worth looking at this too
https://virtualzonegeorgia.com/

>>24031938
definitely ngmi

Are you allowed to own pole arms, bows, and crossbows in Portugal?

>ya so im like totally doing the van living thing
>oh? you wanna spend the night? sure lets netflix and chill...

>>24038635
just get a broom stick and sharpen it, in Minecraft

>>24038704
>ya the rolex i got was thanks to my bitcoin skills

>>24038723
That doesn't answer the question Wolf.

>>24038635
You can.
Bow and arrow is no problem at least.
As long as the blade is less than 10cm and you're not using it as a weapon, then it's not counted as a cold weapon so there's no problem at all.

>>24039164
>10cm
Short as heck bro.
Is there some kind of permit to get a hold of "antique" weaponry to get around this?

>>24030828
I'm going for a stone home, not too large, like 2000 sq ft with a basement. Enough room for me, my wife, and at hopefully at least 4 kids. And I want at least 100 acres to nestle into, mostly wooded, with just enough open land for my dogs and for a large garden to be more self sufficient.

Grow food, hang out with family and dogs, go shooting whenever I want and watch the world burn knowing that my family and myself will be /comfy/

>>24035830
That looks the opposite though

I'll take the chalet in the French Alps

>>24032064
madeira or the azores would indeed be paradise

i think i would like to live in northern wisconsin near lake superior, possibly in the bayfield area

i also would like to live in laos. i could spend the rest of my life split between luang prabang and the 4000 islands easily. paradise

>>24032928

lol i can see my old apartment in the background of that picture. i miss SG so fucking much man

https://www.french-property.com/sale-property/1-IFPC25816?source=featured-search

Nice view but 500k eur.

>>24037474
>>24037447
lmao at those prices, robbed at gunpoint

>>24036102
No need for that, Stellar has you covered via the Wirexx app.

>>24030828
Portugal is a shit hole.

>>24039925
Holy fuck that is comfy...

Buy the family farm and have fun not working for anyone but myself

>>24038341
Thanks Fren. Good info.
I have also thought about skipping the major cash out and just using the crypto for living expenses. Looked a bit at crypto.com cards and cryptopay, which in the US require identity verification, but in Europe not.

>>24037013
It was a g*rman man in portugal, probably still bitter over ww2

>>24031898
What's a fair price for that kind of property senpai?

>>24030901
Okay well you can have that. Just go commit a crime and go to prison. You'll have the same space, even less if you're lucky.

one day baby

>>24030828

>>24039895
>i miss SG so fucking much ma
can't believe this thread is still alive and someone replied in a positive manner

Why are you no longer in Saigon?

>>24030901
That's a tomb

>>24040237
Probably between 100k and 150k euros

>>24035911
Well you've lived there your whole life. How would you know any better? This is coming from someone who lived in a farm town in the south that moved to a bigger city.

They both have their perks. You get privacy with living in a rural area but its also boring as fucking shit for the majority of people.

>>24031938
Already hasn't mi

>>24030828

OUT OF MY COUNTRY YOU FUCKING NIGGERS, THIS PLACE FUCKING SUCKS!

>>24040443
But I do know better. I've traveled plenty. Why assume this is the 1800s and people never leave a 5 mile radius of their home? There are no longer any advantages to living in cities when you can easily visit them instead and then return to your comfy home innawoods and access anything you want on the internet.

>>24031618

Yup, this one's ngmi.

>>24031732

Don't listen to this guy, the country's a fucking shithole.

>>24036102
Use Kraken for btc to euro and go with Fidor or bbva or bank frick

>>24040737
Interesting. Will those banks issue accounts to US citizens?
Like I said, they and also Deutschebank, Sparbank Munich and a few others refused me service due to my passport >>24037819