/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>24009094
what if indeed

>>24009094
Obv

the US itself is a bubble. probably 80% of the population can't even basic level algebra or chemistry. 30% of the populatoin are mexicans the us under 18 is 50% nonwhite. LOL @ anyone who thinks our competitive advantage in military prowess and military technology is going to last. the next 50 years is the army of NCO Tyrone McHernandez and Private Shaneequa getting absolutely dismantled by Pvt. Xiao and Corporal Ivan . the US military was arm of economic enforcement for american prosperity. bye bye to that

>>24009094

https://youtu.be/5YeEGcrinSM

I'll be making my own economy with Fuse anyway. Legacy economy can gtfo.

>>24009094
its easier for joe schmo to cash out than it is for jp morgan.
that said, long china.

>>24009094
Everything is a bubble it just depends on how far you zoom out. Rome was a bubble. Byzantium was a bubble. The Spanish Empire was a bubble. France was a bubble. UK was a bubble.

Bubbling is the natural course of history. Things work and inflate until they don't and all the associated infrastructure and power collapses. But bubbles are also fractal. You have day-trading bubbles, monthly bubbles, yearly bubbles, cycle bubbles, multi-decade long bubbles, commodity bubbles, stock bubbles, banking bubbles, political bubbles, demographic bubbles, civilizational bubbles, likely even a humanity bubble exists and even a space bubble exists. Humanity will collapse one day and so will the entire universe. This is the course of nature. The difficulty is human life is usually short up to about 80 years at this point, so you do not get to see most of the larger bubbles pop in your lifetime unless you're lucky or unlucky enough to live exactly in the right timeframe.

>>24009094
you aren’t wrong.

>>24009094
inchallah

>>24009791
very stoned, great post
what happens when the universe bubble pops

>>24010076
Repeat. Time is a flat circle stoner bro

>>24010076
The birth of a new universe

>>24009094
Only
>the American empire
?

>>24009094
The S&P500 will always go up long term. It's a hand picked list of the largest growing US companies. It's very reason for existing is to continue to grow. If a company on it is no longer up to par, then it is removed and replaced with a better company.

>>24010124
>>24010127
probably
I wonder if it happens exactly the same

>>24010227
This.
Not worries about growth in the USA (Tech & Healthcare are top tier)
Growth in EU? Toast. They are toast
Their biggest sector is underperforming financials.
Asia looks great, especially if the Koreas unify.

>>24010386
only americans invest in US equity only
everyone else is not so delusional and just buys a worldwide index

>>24010471
Then Americans have made the most profitable move DCAing over the last 30 years.
Easy.

>>24011025
Adding: IIRC 40% of S&P500 profits from ex-US

Reminder that since all you doomers are too pussy to buy each year, you will literally never retire

>>24010227
This.
Also the world economy continues to grow, as bigger companies come out of emerging markets, they end up just listing themselves on the NYSE.

>>24010227

>>24009094
>index stops going up
lmao, look at this dood

>>24010227
Isn't this essentially buying high?

>>24011133
No. Inflation baked into the cake practically guarantees it. At minimum, nominally.

>>24011166
What I mean is, the S&P index consists of companies that are already doing well...to put it simply, it would be like buying link when it is in the top 10 vs buying link when it wasn't even in the top 100. For this reason, I think a Total Market Index like Vanguards VTI is a slightly better choice.

>>24011133
There is no high with eternal growth.

>>24011209
Opinion on international equities? Do you think it's not worth it since S&P worthy companies already operate internationally?

>>24011207
The S&P500 components are selected by a committee. In other words, the index is actually not 100% passive.
VTI offers more diversification but has slightly underperformed VOO, over it's lifetime.

>>24011245
Yes, Americans can obtain significant international exposure through an S&P 500 index:
>>24011040

>>24011133
There's always new highs though. And then you can also buy the dips for bigger gains.

>>24011259
>but has slightly underperformed VOO, over it's lifetime.
Isn't this because of QE though? Most of the money from QE is funneled into the large cap corporations.

>>24011245
S&P500 is the best of the best for as long as the USA is the best of the best, any further diversification is pointless and just wasting gains. Anything outside the US is only worth it if you have deep(local) knowledge about it and can time the market or as an attempt to inflation-hedge rising costs in developing economies by investing in the aforementioned stocks..

>>24010359
It repeats for infinity, so yes it eventually will.

We've already had this conversation.

>>24011369
Not here to speculate.
VOO outperforms VTI, especially during the last 5 years (FANG + Microsoft).

>>24011369
Actually, lol, I will speculate.
Do you think that US technology and healthcare will outperform other sectors in the future (Yes!)... well now you have your answer.

>>24011508
>US technology and healthcare
I do, but do you think the companies in the S&P will make the biggest gains? Surely there are companies not in the S&P that have greater potential?

>>24011259
Emphasis on "slightly". The difference is negligible.

>>24010076
>he hasn't shorted the universe

>>24011480
For a buy and hold investor, wouldn't VFIAX be better than VOO since VFIAX allows exact dollar amounts and the purchase price is the NAV? I don't see the point in ETFs for a buy and hold investor.

>>24011639
Yep.
>>24011630
Look at the top 10 holdings for VTI and VOO.
See any similarities?
>Surely there are companies not in the S&P that have greater potential?
If so, the committee will bring vote them into the S&P500.

>>24011639
Ha, they are almost identical. VOO has a slightly higher dividend right? Might as well use that as the tie breaker and go with VOO.

>>24011662
Most (((non-Vanguard brokerages))) charge you a transaction fee per mutual fund purchase, and those add up. Mutual funds also are legally required to give periodic payouts (not dividends) which can be a tax drag.

>>24009791
In other words: bears always win in the end.

>>24011699
I plan to use Vanguard as a brokerage; in addition, Vanguard's index funds are just as tax efficient as ETFs due to a special patent.

>>24011697
Buy-and-hold for 30+ years the dividend difference is a rounding error. I prefer VTI because more diversification, instead of concentrating 100% on large caps, helps me sleep at night.

>>24011733
no that means bears win once in a thousand years

>>24011133
>Isn't this essentially buying high?
>>24011313
>There's always new highs though. And then you can also buy the dips for bigger gains.
Right. It's like buying a money printer "high" when it's printing speed is almost always accelerating

>>24009498
yeah....

>>24009791
Based and Perspectivepilled

>>24009498
This. I don’t see how it would end up any other way. Our muttland US military will suffer some humiliating military in the next 15 years, and that will be the end of us as supreme global hegemon. Our own Suez.

>>24012324
*military defeat

>>24009791
Byzantium never really imploded fren