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>>23977776
fuck

>>23977777

>>23977810
kek
it's ok. can't get em all

>>23977838
So many missed gets due to that script nigger.

>>23977861
that particular GET is special because it was 14777777 on the 14th of July (7)

>>23977906
Yes. That's how I knew xsn was gonna be good.

>>23977957
quintessential

>>23978138
I think there was one with pepe and a shotgun as well, but i dont have it.

>>23978160
it's hard to keep track of em all

"Soon"

>>23978675
im not selling

>>23978694
I will sell when 1XSN is enough to buy 1 fleshlight

>>23979111
checked and kekd

lol you fuckin losers are still going with this

>>23979206
Absofuckinglutely

>>23979206
you have no idea how bullish i am on STAKEholders NETwork

>>23979320
MOOOOOOOOOOOOO FOR MOOOOONNNNNNN

>>23979355
C H E C K E D
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>>23979498
HOLY STAKIE DIGITS CHECKEM GBR INCOMING

So is cz behind the fud campaign ?

>>23979882
cz, jannies, skad, george soros, bill gates, and the world economic forum

i wonder who's been fudding for months with the same pic
>>23975346

>>23979206
>said the nervous man for the 7th time that day

can i run a masternode from a hardware wallet yet

>>23981613
Take the SSD cold hosting pill friend, especially if you have a tower or even a laptop.
>buy $25 SSD
>install easy Linux distro, or safely pirate Windows 10 LTSB (HWIDgen)/LTSC (KMS38)
>download XSN Core and let it sync
>encrypt your wallet
>deposit XSN
>setup MNaaS for however many MNs you want to setup
>deactivate or physically unplug the SSD from your tower
Sounds a little daunting but it's very easy. Once initial setup is out of the way, you bring in masternode rewards 24/7 from isolated cold storage.
I hook up my SSD every few weeks to let it sync, watch rewards come in, and make backups.
Then you can use your primary drive to goof off without any repercussions.

>>23982382
Easy and safe

so mn rewards go to the core wallet even if youre using mnaas? i figured they would go to the cloud balance

>>23977776
using the latest UI simple swap. Works perfect. Soon will test ETH.

>>23977776
Based

Is this project dead? Price keeps dumping and devs Haven't spoken in days.

>>23983019
nice. how much mn do you have? I have 15.

>>23984475
we are testing the dex in closed beta group. Lots of progress has been made. Just wait and see ;)
The UI simple swap works perfect now.

>>23984519
>Simple swap
Wasn't this shit meant to be released months ago? How long is this gonna take? Have they even started raiden?

>>23984549
can't release a dex with bugs. Has to be user friendly and working. I wish I had a time frame. I think before eoy year, this month or next month.

>>23984549
there's more than one testing group. eth integration and raiden have been in more tech-heavy ones. im in the SSUI group

>>23984499
Checked. I have 11.
Giving the DEX another go.

>>23985932
How long till ssui in open beta?>>23986233
Checked.

>>23981383
Those are valid concerns.

>>23986233
Success

>>23985932
There is no Raiden test group. Stop lying. Inb4 the wEth webm.

I can't stress how happy I am that I don't have to use Livecoin anymore. This was stupidly easy and it only took 13 minutes to
>move my BTC to L2
>open an XSN channel rental
>execute the swap into XSN
With standard BTC tx fees at that.
>>23986358
Devs have been testing it for months. From the Nov 1 dev update...
https://medium.com/stakenet/xsn-core-update-nov-1-2020-b6f648d5bdcd
Adding ETH Support
>ETH support in the light wallet is nearly ready. Devs have setup the backend, prepared the API, and will soon deploy to our private beta group for testing.
Adding ETH to the DEX via L2
>Our developer's focus has been on the integration of ETH private key functionality and L2 client channel states.
also
>As with the ETH support, the DEX tests will be deployed to our private beta group first for testing and review

>>23986523
nice, im also done with livecoin and high btc withdrawal fee. I use dex now for xsn and btc.

>>23986523
yesterday my btc lighting channel took 40 mins to open but today it took 8 mins. Depends on bitcoin miners. xsn takes 1-2 mins.

>>23986699
Checked.

>>23986699
Checked.
With ETH and a few more coin pairs and this exchange will be truly formidable.
Pic related is what's to come.

>>23977776
man i have a few grand of this shitcoin from 2017 locked into cryptopia, hope those scammers release my fucking funds so I can sell this shit

>>23986960
I wouldn't count on it. Is there even any legal cases against them?

Yes, it’s hard to find a pearl in a sea. But I've found a good project on the PosBit news channel. It calls Dymmax (dymmax.com), and I suggest you to find out more and make sure that I’m right

>>23986974
yeah they're in court
they say they are going to release but timeline is ????

>>23986951
lol nice. Can't wait :)

>>23987103
Lol

>>23986960
Sorry to hear that. I miss cryptopia.
It was like Livecoin - randomly went down a lot and occasionally made me nervous - but with some patience, it was always there to do non-KYC trades and it had decent trading volumes.
Grant Thornton put an update out in September
>https://www.coindesk.com/cryptopia-users-liquidators-grant-thornton
Part of me thinks they're just dragging it out as long as possible so people give up.
I got burnt by Bittrex's shady "we're gonna reset your verification back to new, break our basic KYC verification system, and freeze withdrawals from your account until you give us your ID" surprise back near the end of 2017. Ever since, I withdraw crypto from exchanges immediately.

>>23987166
checked

>>23984445
>>23986951
>>23986346
Those graphics look CLEAN...fug

>>23987166
Checked
>>23987128
Based
>>23987437
>that pic
kek

isn't the lightning network far from being usable?

>>23988442
Depends what you mean, stakenet already has stable lightning swaps. They have been stress testing bots recently to see how well they can get it to scale.

https://orderbook.stakenet.io/monitor/xsn_btc

>>23988567
but they are using the btc lightning network, no?
have been hearing only bad from it as in being unfinished and not safe to use bc of several vulnerabilities found

>>23988655
There are using LND, most of those issues have been fixed in LND 11 btw.

>>23988655
we are trading on the lightning network right now with no issues. Very secure.
I don't use livecoin anymore. I use the dex but the latest version is still in closed beta. Hopefully soon they will release it to the public on discord. There is less than a cent fee to withdraw your bitcoin. Amazing.

>>23988675
100% correct

>>23988655
simple swap automatically trades on the lightning network.

>>23988442
I used it to swap around $300 of BTC for XSN a little earlier and it was painless. >>23986346
All the Bitcoin maxis are betting on LN to make Bitcoin scale effectively and so there's been a lot of momentum put towards building up its liquidity and robustness.
A few things that would drastically improve its usability (and Stakenet DEX) are watchtowers, multi-path payments, and submarine swaps. Saves a lot of the hassle involved in opening channels, being limited to the inherent liquidity of that channel, and having to keep the client open while, say, you have buy orders posted to the DEX.
2020 has been a particularly good year for LN and 2021 will probably see a gold rush in that direction.

>>23988675
>>23988713
>>23988992
interesting thx for the info

>>23988992
>watchtowers, multi-path payments, and submarine swaps
Can you tell us more about these?

>>23988781
What fucking wallet is this? It looks like Exodus except it's sleeker for some reason. wtf?

>>23989380
That's the SSUI anon. Pic related. The 'Swap' tab is the SSUI.

>>23989452
Pic related is the "wallet' tab. the above image >>23989452 is 'portfolio'.

>>23989380
>>23989452
>>23989470
The 'dex' tab. I won't post the SSUI tab coz it's above >>23988781. These may change in the future but so far they are very nice.

>>23989380
'settings' tab. if you want to have a look yourself you can download the dex right now from the discord.
>stakenet.io
>scroll to bottom
>click 'discord'
Also the SSUI isn't on the open beta just yet, but it's very stable so should be soon enough.

>>23989186
>Watchtowers - LN nodes delegated to monitor transactions associated with open payment channels anywhere in the lightning layer.
Let's say I want to put in a low buy order and let it sit for a few days. It's 2nd nature on any CEX. If I wanted to do that with Stakenet DEX right now, I'd basically have to leave the wallet open the whole time until my order was filled.
>Multi-path payments
Let's say you have 1 Bitcoin, you keep it the old-fashioned way in a qt wallet, and it's spread between two different wallets 50/50. You want to send .8 BTC. You get an "insufficient balance" type error, so you have to send two smaller amounts to compensate (i.e. .5 and .3 or .4/.4).
Lightning Network channels traditionally functioned in a similar manner, but multi-path payments (added in LND 0.10) allow for funds to be sent out from multiple wallets at once.
In their own words...
>The highest payment amount is now defined by the sum of all channel balances rather than the maximum.
Detailed info here: https://lightning.engineering/posts/2020-05-07-mpp/
>Submarine swaps
They allow for the sending and receiving of LN BTC without necessarily having to manage channels and they do so via HTLCs between at least 3 parties that hold different pieces of a puzzle with contingencies. They are still more on the experimental side of things but have a lot of promise.

>>23989507
Thanks for the info, lots of juicy stuff coming for lightning.

>>23989566
checked.

>>23989566
Checked

>>23988655
>>23989566
Checked.
>>23989020
No problem. There was indeed a major exploit within Lightning (patched in LND 0.11) that allowed malicious HTLCs to spoof genuine ones with the right prerequisites and positioning.
>A malicious peer could deliberately intercept a HTLC intended for the victim node and probe the preimage through a colluding relayed HTLC to steal the intercepted HTLC.
Full discolures of the vulnerabilities and the solutions they took to fix them are explained in detail in these links below.
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2020-October/002855.html
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2020-October/002857.html
What was patched in LND 0.11
>This vulnerability was patched in lnd v0.11.0-beta, by properly isolating the
preimage database from the invoice database according to the HTLC's next_hop
field in commit cf739f3f [3] of PR 4157 [4]. The isolation ensures that we can
only claim forwarded HTLCs as a result of learning the preimage from an outgoing
HTLC. It also fixes the privacy leak by not revealing invoice preimages unless
the node is the final destination.
Upcoming for LND 0.12
>For some time we have debated flipping the switch on requiring payment secrets
across the three major implementations. This vulnerability is further evidence to the additional safety and privacy benefits. Now almost a year since the initial deployment of payment secrets in lnd, the upcoming v0.12.0-beta release of lnd is likely to make payment secrets required by default. We would welcome other implementations to do the same.

>>23990672
*fixed for bad formatting

What was patched in LND 0.11
>This vulnerability was patched in lnd v0.11.0-beta, by properly isolating the preimage database from the invoice database according to the HTLC's next_hop field in commit cf739f3f [3] of PR 4157 [4]. The isolation ensures that we can only claim forwarded HTLCs as a result of learning the preimage from an outgoing HTLC. It also fixes the privacy leak by not revealing invoice preimages unless the node is the final destination.

Upcoming for LND 0.12
>For some time we have debated flipping the switch on requiring payment secrets across the three major implementations. This vulnerability is further evidence to the additional safety and privacy benefits. Now almost a year since the initial deployment of payment secrets in lnd, the upcoming v0.12.0-beta release of lnd is likely to make payment secrets required by default. We would welcome other implementations to do the same.

>>23990871
Very nice

>>23989566
GBR incoming

the new UI is fucking slick. really hoping my big bet in XSN pays off lads. it's exactly what crypto needs and i just hope the devs can deliver.

>>23991690
>>23991741
Do you think alts are gonna get btfo one more time while BTC keeps mooning? I'm really bullish on XSN for next year but more bearish in the immediate short term (up until around Christmas)

>>23991973
Devs can and will deliver, it's just soon(tm).

>>23991973
It will. XSN was really early to LN adoption and that will pay off in spades.
>>23992031
>tfw the staging build you're testing with is only 2 days old
They keep busy.

>>23991997
It's really hard to say. Previous patterns would probably suggest that XSN will just about retain $ value and take a hit in sats value. I think that the impending release of what X9 are currently working on will help the value of it.

>>23992431
I want to see if I can catch whatever the absolute bottom is, unless we already hit it. This is already massively undervalued as is. Don't want to get too greedy.

>>23987166
I consider it lost funds, not that important to me anymore

>>23993082
In that case you've set yourself up to get a nice bonus if it pulls through
Good luck man