/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>23899362
I’m straight so no

I do... thinking about swapping to BCH now before the possible split.

Brown ID, god damn it.

>>23899362
Yeah....

Wishing I had just gotten out of crypto in 2017. 3 long years of bagholding really takes a toll on a man

>>23899362
I immediately sold the BCH fork for 15% more BTC and have never looked back. I also bought the special token on bitfinex that bet on BTC winning over SegWit2x, kek.

>>23899643
I cashed out most of my BTC at the end of 2017, got lucky and sold at the top.

However, I kept a little BTC and also converted some into BCH (in addition to what I got from the fork) because BTC had lost its way. But time has proven that you can't fight a brand no matter how much better your own product is.

In hindsight I should have just cashed out everything, including the forked BCH. I kept BSV because I noticed at the end of 2018 that BitcoinABC isn't all that they are made out to be, and that was proven with this year's fork in two days. However, BSV haven't been able to achieve anything in two years now. Neither has BCH or BTC but those two have at least some recognition.

>>23899662
I hate Blockstream so much... Bitcoin could have been so much more than what it is. Lightning Network never went anywhere and they sacrificed so much for it, lost support and split the community. Made the protocol 500 times more complicated with SegWit. I'll never forgive that shit.

>>23899768
Yeah I can't hold BTC because technologically its a fucking joke. But BCH and BSV havent went anywhere so basically entire crypto market is clown world

>>23899362
YEHHHH

>>23899909
i miss the 2018 memes

>>23899362
hahahaha its an obvious scam from the beginning, Craigs an obvious charlatan that had the pretence of legitimacy from Calvins backing. The only thing BSV has achieved is showing the world having lots of money can only get you third world ugly gooks.

>>23900369
they are the true bitcoin, but that doesn't matter when you're up against brands and people. it didn't matter whether craig was satoshi or not.

seems like most of my bitcoin SV is in an unsplit BCH wallet... ugh. what's the easiest way to split? not sure if this is worth the headache.

>>23900463
He's basically hover handing those 40 year old slappers

>>23900479
>not hover handing
"he's basically hover handing"

>>23899768
>>23899796
You won't make it. You don't understand tech, you don't understand economy, and you don't understand people.

>>23899768
t. tech illiterate

>>23900617
>>23900650
Sure sure brainlets. You use Lightning Network often, do you?

>>23900709
theyve given up on bitcoin entirely.
what do you think could contribute to bsv's (or bch's) success?
i think:
tiny fees
layer 0 stablecoins (maybe SLP style)
cool scrypt functions
moneybutton type identication, signatures
the data storage/timestamp functionality has use cases but havent seen anyone care enough about that yet

>>23900463
>it didn't matter whether craig was satoshi or not.
He's not.

>>23900709
>You use Lightning Network often, do you?
Never. Also never BCH or BSV. I don't pay for things with crypto, I invest in crypto. I also don't pay for things with my shares. A credit card where you pay for things by selling fractional shares would be feasible, but not something I would be interested in. That's what cash, paypal and possibly USDT/USDC is for.

>>23900953
all bitcoin needs is actual usage to buy goods and services. BTC's refusal to remove the block size limit (meaning higher fees) was hostile to actual usage. all i wanted was for the block size limit to be removed, which is why I was disappointed when BSV needed to fork off BCH because they started to mess around with the protocol. but... BSV failed to get what it needed the most: actual usage.

>>23900990
and yeah, craig also failed to prove he was satoshi.

>>23901048
not a true believer i see. but that's ok, most in crypto aren't.

>>23901086
>all bitcoin needs is actual usage to buy goods and service
if you think this is the case, i would wait for the bch split and buy some cheap bch afterwards. they have the most infrastructure to make this happen, while still having tiny fees

BSV is going for a larger goal, trying to fix the problems inherent to the internet with micropayments and owning your online identity without exposing your keypair.. I think this is more likely to get people to spend USD; i would never buy a PS5 with bitcoin like I think youre implying, but we'll see

>>23900463
Electrum SV

>>23899362
I bought some hoping that Calvin would pump this shit one more time at least. Looks like he's given up completely though. BSV would be worth thousands right now if they wouldn't have focused all their energy on Craig's Satoshi larp

>>23901230
Didn't Electrum just fuck over some people? Guy was claiming that he had 600 BSV stolen from him because of Electrum Sv

>>23901230
i'll use an old version of electron cash

>>23901190
the plan is to sell my BSV for BCH before the fork on sunday so i get more BCH forked. not sure if it's a smart move since it's possible the BCH price could go down after the fork and the secondary fork gets no value, if that happens it would be smarter to wait until after the fork to sell the BSV for BCH since i'd get more BCH then. hard to know beforehand what would be the smartest move. the ABC chain (with the miner fee) seems to have only around 10% of miner support, which isn't very surprising. not even Roger Ver supports ABC in this.

>>23901469
i really, really wished bitcoin cash had just stuck with the plan in 2018 and not forced BSV to fork off. more than that of course i wished BTC had just increased the block sizes and not lost adoption, developers and community support.

>>23901489
i don't trust electrum, that's why i'm using electron cash. should still work i hope.

I dont see better crypto on this market. So yes im holding.

>>23901502
>forced BSV to fork off
It's impossible to blame BCH for Calvin's fork. If he wanted the original "protocol", he could have just downloaded it off of github and tweaked that instead of forking from BCH.

>>23901568
impossible? it's not BSV's fault that BCH didn't stick to the plan. bitcoin cash was supposed to fix bitcoin, not make a bunch of changes. you can't just go back to BTC because that would rollback the transactions on BCH. it was a dispute and the only reason BSV didn't win the hashwar is because roger temporary moved over BTC hashpower to the ABC chain. whether or not the exchanges would have ignored the rule of hashpower if the ABC chain had lost is a different matter. unfortunately from all the gloating videos I saw in 2018 i think they would have.

>>23901657
Calvin wanted an unlimited blocksize that houses random data like Weather SV. That was not part of the plan. He could have just taken the original protocol from github and retooled it into a data dump version without the stupid Satoshi larp from Craig. Then he could have been the first miner of the coin and started his chain from zero. The path he's chosen wasted time and huge amounts of money.

>>23899362
yeah, let's see if any real business adoption happens within 6 months and if not I'm selling it
still in profit though

>>23901742
bitcoin was always meant to have unlimited blocksize, bitcoin cash was supposed to restore that

>>23901901
it haven't happened in 2 years, what's another 6 months?

0.009 satoshis

>>23899362
Now is not the time to be selling large positions. Any other time over the last 12 months would have been better. Selling when market sentiment around a coin is nearing all time low... Go ahead. Gamble.

>>23901742
Pls....

With data on chain you can do crazy easy oracles. Link is useless.

>>23901901
>yeah, let's see if any real business adoption happens within 6 months
I'm gonna stick my neck out here and make a bold prediction. It starts with N and ends in O.

>>23901994
Genesis upgrade happened February 2020, thats where you start really counting. So 9.5 months of no new shit.

>>23901994
No it wasn't. Bitcoin was supposed to scale in steps. Satoshi said don't use it as a data dump. BSV holders would have been rich right now if Calvin had just skipped the Satoshi larp and started fresh.

>>23902046
Data for complex transactions such as smart contracts is far different than storing gay ass twetch nonsense.

>>23901994
>it haven't happened in 2 years, what's another 6 months?
fuck it, don't feel like selling now

>>23902063
might as well be the case, point is while I'm still in profit, I'm holding

>>23902071
the max block size was put in as flood protection. the idea came from Hal Finney. it was meant to be temporary.

http://web.archive.org/web/20160213234251/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.200

i don't care if you for some reason conflate the idea of data dumping with having limitless blocks (low fees). sure, being able to store data is a consequence of having limitless blocks but if BTC would have just fucking done it in 2017 nobody would have data dumped for whatever price it would be, 1000 bucks per 1000 kb or whatever. metanet was always silly to me, all i was interested in was unlimited transactions per block. also fyi people can still "data dump" on the blockchain today as long as you split it across several transactions.

>>23902252
>i don't care if you for some reason conflate the idea of data dumping with having limitless blocks
Satoshi is the one that said not to use Bitcoin as a data dump. He also said to raise the blocksize in steps. Calvin would have been far better off right now if he had not done the Satoshi larp and just started fresh. BSV could have been like Ethereum platform but using PoW instead. Wasting time on the Satoshi larp is just stupid

>>23902302
where did he say that?

note that i do think increasing it in steps is a good thing. or rather that it makes sense. if BTC had made the max size 2 MB in 2016, 4 MB in 2018, 8 MB in 2020 etc i wouldn't have complained.

>>23901489
You are listening to kikes who don’t want you to make it

>>23902375
You'll have to go read through the old forum posts. He talked about it there before he left

>>23902378
>You are listening to kikes who don’t want you to make it
Who are the ones that don't want me to make it? The BSV proponents?

>>23902389
yeah sure buddy, you make the claim but *I* am supposed to go digging through 5 zillion posts

>>23901086
>true believer
This is why you will stay poor. Adapt.

>>23902402
That's right. Just like everybody else. You need to do your own research. I don't care at all if you choose to read his posts or just listen to randos

>>23901742
>He could have just taken the original protocol from github and retooled it into a data dump version without the stupid Satoshi larp from Craig
Actually not a bad idea, airdrop data storage tokens on the fair BTC distribution. He should just have ran with that and have seen where that ends up.

>>23902426
Right? He'd be BTFO BTC and BCH right now if he'd have just done that without the hurdle of trying to convince people that Craig is Satoshi with zero evidence.

>>23902416
no, go choke on a nigger cock you fucking retarded piece of shit. you don't make wild fucking claims and complain when people don't want to go on a wild goose chase. if i can't find your imaginary source i haven't proved a negative, only that i can't find it. so fuck off brainlet.

>>23902407
why the fuck do you think i've entertained BCH and BSV

>>23902466
>BCH and BSV
Ideology and attachment. They're not BTC so being on a BTC codebase and PoW just means they're slow insecure boomer coins

>>23902466
>no, go choke on a nigger cock you fucking retarded piece of shit. you don't make wild fucking claims and complain when people don't want to go on a wild goose chase. if i can't find your imaginary source i haven't proved a negative, only that i can't find it. so fuck off brainlet.
This isn't a court. I don't need to spoonfeed you anything. Go look it up if you want or don't. I don't give a shit.

>>23902397
Btc is China you dumb fak

QFS on BSV. Iron Hands.

>>23902536
It doesn't matter either way. China absolutely dominates in the manufacturing of mining rigs. Calvin can't stop that even if he wanted to.

>>23902564
Wrong. Big blocks need fast internet. China guys cant make big blocks.

Thats why BTC has block limit so low.

>>23902631
China still manufactures all the mining rigs. They have mining facilities outside of China also. No way around that unless manufacturing gets divided up by multiple nations.

>>23902302
>Satoshi is the one that said not to use Bitcoin as a data dump. He also said to raise the blocksize in steps
Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto you fucking dumbass.

Any transaction is just a data.

>>23902821
>thinks creg right is satoshi
>calls other people dumbasses
how is it possible for someone to fall for creg's bullshit at this point? It's almost 2021 and he's proven nothing besides that hes a liar and a charlatan.

>>23902947
Then BSV is not needed. People can pay the miners in stablecoins or via sidechannel.

>>23903014
imagine thinking he would prove anything to an arrogant simpleton like you. read his medium posts, the proof is there 100x.

>>23899362
Ya

BSVjeets scrambling to somehow decouple their scam from faketoshi is somewhat amusing but also means they'll keep shitting up this board.

>>23903293
creg is satoj and Q

I don't know about y'all but I go where the trend is. There's a huge crypto project on the space injective protocol is where I'm headed, I already got a full stack of $INJ coins

I am holding bsv.

Call me a retard if you want.
Maybe I am early but not wrong.

>>23902071
umm sweety?

>>23899362
1000 BSV autist here, you kikes will never get my BitCoin

>>23899768
yours is a case study.
very lucky to get in something early. but ultimately too high time preference to really profit.
self-justified a bunch of retarded moves with gay shit like "btc lost its way and i have blockstream" even tho reality clearly shows its you who is a retard.
hope you did something productive with your 2017 ath cashout. as time goes on you are going to hate yourself more and more, until eventually you wont even be able to look at the btc price because of the memories it brings.
what coulda been

>>23903859
Nothing about what you posted debunks what I said

>>23902821
I've seen zero proof of Craig Wright being Satoshi. Satoshi was posting from California

>>23903924
Nobody wants your bsv.

>>23904358
>Satoshi was posting from California
if you show them the evidence from the log file that had satoshi's ip in it, they will just say "creg was using a vpn next which came out close to coffeeshop by hals house because of 17d chess"
they are literally mindfucked bots.

>>23900617
i agree with this man.

>>23904358
I've seen zero proof of Craig Wright not being Satoshi. Satoshi was posting from VPN

>>23905500
you left out:
"Satoshi was posting from a VPN that terminated near the coffeeshop by Hal's house"

There has literally never been more evidence that Craig Wright is Satoshi than right now. Multiple impartial people publically on record saying CSW signed Satoshi keys for them, among them BTC LEAD DEV (Gavin Andresen) at the time. That should shut the door right there on this "no proof argument." But the list goes on. Since 2019 CSW now owns the Bitcoin whitepaper and code copyright, not in some shithole, but in the US. This has been unchallenged for over a year. CSW has recently unoffically won his Satoshi defamation lawsuit against BTC-proponent Peter McCormack, who publically kept calling CSW a fraud. Tether has literally stopped funding McCormack and he's seeking to settle after being very adament he could win- after the DISCOVERY phase has finished he's thrown in the towel. If you put two and two together, it is clear he saw evidence that unequivocably proved to him that CSW is Satoshi. There is another lawsuit being filed against CSW for literally 1,1 MILLION Bitcoin, among them early Satoshi coins. These lawsuits are not cheap, both sides have hired multiple lawyers in a Florida court, so it stands to reason the claimant is expecting an actual payout. So now next year CSW is legally Satoshi on literally all fronts. You core cucks are pathetic, probably all worked as democrat pollsters in 2016 and 2020 in how incompetent you are at judging reality.

TiK ToK corecucks
Satoshi is back

BSV is the only coin that there is a collective effort to police people not to hold and actively get rid of. I've noticed this ideological enforcement even in threads that originally had nothing to do with BSV.

Really makes you think

>>23899362
I bought more today.

>>23902040
Brutal

>>23906732
WHOA!! so-and-so said craig proved he was satoshi to them privately?! where do I buy!? The only evidence of craig being satoshi is a bunch of hearsay, meanwhile there are tons of examples of him attempting and failing to fabricate evidence.

>>23906732
it must be horrendous being you. just think...3 years ago you were at .15btc, then you did that long stint at .05btc, then for most of 2019 you were at .025btc....now you've been crushed down to .01btc.
its going to keep going and going.
you're so stupid you can't even see it, even tho its so easy to see. stupidity should be painful. god hates you so he punishes you.

>>23907525

>>23899362
I have BSV from the time it forked because I can't be bothered to get it out of my hardware wallet, but I'm always so surprised anyone actually BOUGHT this scammy coin. I mean I get why people fomo into shitcoins shilled professionally by pajeets, I often think to myself "this is such a good idea, let me invest in this token in case it actually succeeds and solves problem X". But BSV is just such a joke, and the dude promoting it actually even looks like a typical swindler from bad movies, with fake tan, expensive watch and everything... Damn.

>>23907571
Reading cope from BSV bagholders will never not be funny. You’ve all absorbed cregs personality traits. Never stop posting no matter how low it goes.
> 0.0099

>>23899362
I am holding 300 bsv

>>23907571
>everyone I don't like is greg maxwell

>>23907562
Imagine being this obsessed with BSV and pretending to hate it, retard faggot.
>>23907525
The stubbornnes required to invent Bitcoin (BTC and BSV) is equally proportional to the stubbornness for him not to sign publically now to make a point.
"Bur bur bur muh cope", re-read the first shit I wrote, faggot. All the evidence is out there for anyone with above room temperature IQ.

>>23904434
I assume for the most part that the bsv supporters are mostly just paid shills.
>>23905500
Yeah I fucked up. Meant to say "I see zero proof of Craig Wright being Satoshi".

>>23908303
what about that time he was supposedly going to sign, then backed out with some faggy response and made gavin look like an idiot?

>>23909102
According to O'hagan's book, The Satoshi Affair, that whole thing was all faked.

>>23906732

Nice copypasta, but I'm not biting. CSW is not Satoshi and until he publically proves it, no-one should believe him

>>23909313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo8ifpXSuWE
yea...no. watch this mr 19 posts in this thread

>>23909466
Good. It's mainly because of retards like you that I make money. And that's original content, not a copy pasta, son.

>>23909677
Pretty hot for a milf.

>>23909746
based

>>23909677
Can you point to a specific timepoint in the video?

>>23902063
NiggerO? That´s too racist, too soon.

>>23899481
what retard buy a coin before it's fork? jesus

>>23903924
Based

>>23906873
Delet this picture ASAP goyim

>>23900953
BSV jeets invented "layer 0" to cope with the fact that their L1 isn't stateful enough to support any nontrivial app.

>>23909920
its around 50 mins. i watched it so long ago but yea its around there. maybe go back to 48 min

>>23903378

>>23899362

Yes 522 BSV here buying $6k more today.

>>23907525
>>23907562
Fuck you greg

>>23908112
Dilate greggles

>>23899481
>Brown ID
Appropriate

>>23906732
based, plus points for the demonrat insult you threw in at the end. It is so true too, these core shills are the very same breed as American leftists. I fucking hate these faggots.

>>23899362
I'm white, so no