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Iv seen this coin in here many times now.
Been FUDDED like crazy, so iv stayed away.
But im starting to learn this game i think and iv noticed some of the better coins receives the most FUD.
Cuz these coins also gets talked a lot about on the crypto channel on YT.
So im going to look more into this one.
Do you have some good links you could share please??

>>23716935
Check their YouTube channel, their Discord channel, their medium.

I've put a good amount of money in this (gained from LINK), and got a good feeling about this one.

>>23716935
It's been FUDDED for whales to accumulate even more. Anyone not seeing that seriously need to wake up.

>>23716957
Nice one, I gained from ETH (Not as much as I wish I did, sold way too early), and got in below $1 on LINK.

I've been accumulating this one hard as of lately, as I believe in the scaling solutions they build upon.

>>23716973
Guess you've been invested longer than I have. Invested in LINK purely because of this board, lol.

Now after doing some research on this project, I'm convinced it will pull massive gains moving forward

>>23716998
my favourite part is when link got shilled here, then got dumped on - the whole board forgot about it for 6 months while the smart bags loaded up.

And look at it now...

>>23717083
True. The time to buy XSN or any other ALT for that matter is now, before the next leg up.
Don't FOMO into this one later, like those who bought LINK at $20 lol.

I bought the majority of my XSN @600 satoshi, so I'm still in profit, while I get free XSN from my nodes on the daily.

>>23716935
I've never seen this coin get fudded a whole lot
I've been in some threads posting my thoughts, people might call that fud

>iv noticed some of the better coins receives the most FUD.
i don't agree with this, im holding two coins, and they get literally 0 fud
sure some people say "muh progress is low" and "token not needed", thats not fud imo
so really, look for coins that get virtually 0 fud, only way to make it
just look at link, there was never any real fud

>>23717211
LINK is one of THE most FUDDED projects back in 2017, same goes for ETH. I guess you're either new here, or simply you don't remember too well.

Take the time machine and look back at the massive FUD both of these projects got. Heck, even BTC was FUDDED like no tomorrow back in the days. I remember when it reached $100 and I saw in online forums, that people shook their heads, and laughed at this "monopoly money" with no value.

People FUD for a reason.

1) Because they're trolls
2) Because they know the project is good, but don't have the guts to invest
3) Have invested heavily, and wants to sell to accumulate even more.

>>23717257
im talking about "real" fud

>>23717257
4) actually think the project won't succeed and explain in detail why they think that is

>>23717211
checked

In since June of 2019, got 115k usd put in at about four (bad in hindsight) entry points. Currently getting about 325/mo usd worth of xsn. I'm getting worse returns than a bank does on a fucking mortgage. $800/mo is like 40mns and not including mnaas fees. You got some balls to still be holding, op. That or brain problems on the same magnitude as I do here's to hoping we are right. $1.25+/xsn and managing to hold that without dipping below again makes me a free man.
A 10x sounds like a lot but it's less than 3x from ath and it does not seem too ridiculous considering that puts the project as still being worth under $140mm.
I could see $5 in a bull or even $10 in a true gbr. I'm afraid if it hits $10 I'd have to sell off 130k just for a cool milly post tax. That way I'd never have to think about it again but still collect $2k/mo in MN block rewards. At $10 I'd imagine that means the dex was a success so if hydra comes into play there's the trading fees atop the $2k/mo. That milly is going into S&P500 so it can 2x roughly every 7 years. After 14 years I'd be able to retire and live more than modestly off the meme 4% rule to the tune of $160k/yr.
Assuming it happens within five years that puts me at 50, about the time I intend to stop thinking about money entirely. Growth hormone will run me about 400/mo, test around $20/mo, deca about $30/mo, tretinoin maybe $5/mo, botox maybe $500/yr, and a good diet maybe 7.5k/yr. I hope to upgrade to a better house by then as I'm still in a 1.2k sqft starter home. I need an 10*45' lap pool in my basement with a 6*8*8 sauna and steam room, two treadmills, oly platform, power cage, and a 12*12 spa with two massage tables and a good personal aesthetician that does house calls for weekly massage/wax/acid peels/etc. as needed. Preferably on five or ten acres <15 minutes out of town. Such a property will run 400k on the low end and more likely between 600 and 800k. Can't get the dream house until financially independent though :c

>>23717332
huh wow you are one with the numbers are you an ass sweety?

>>23717262
That's true, Any "real" FUD against XSN has been dealt with. Only thing I'm seeing is "SCAM", with nothing else to add to it, lol.

>>23717332
I've accumulated on all the lows, and have liquidated parts of my LINK bags for XSN. Yeah I've got a ton of nodes, but I like the passive income much more than just "holding" something that doesn't yield me anything.

If you're gonna invest in stocks, at least do so in dividend paying ones, the snowball effect will yield you WAY more than "just" a 2x over 7 years.

I plan to reallocate my portfolio towards stocks and real estate once I'm satisfied with my gains.
Wont touch roids though, haha.. Don't wanna put my life in jeopardy.

>>23716880
Sorry sirs it's over. Stakenet was always vaporware.

Just use Kleros.

>>23717469
here is what i think
>no product yet so i wouldnt invest (muh beta)
>people behind it might not succed which is a very big risk

>>23717485
Sure is buddy. I've been beta testing their DEX for the past 6 months.
"Muh vaporware" you SUCK at Fudding. Nice try though.

>>23717521
Join the Stakenet Discord server and try it out on your own.
At this point they COULD make a full release, but they are waiting for ETH to be fully functional, as it will become a game changer, and possibly beat Uniswap by a long shot. (Low fees, instant trading).

Keep fudding if you want, at least you bump the thread, which is nice of you.

>>23717589
>but they are waiting for ETH
then i'll be waiting too, no need to risk anything
>Keep fudding
if you REALLY think what i posted was fud, then you're unironically ngmi

>>23717606
I miss read what you wrote, sorry about that buddy, haha..

Keep on holding, wish you good luck.

>>23717332
dude... what the heck is this post

You seem to be worried about everything...

Just chill, collect your premiums and check on it in a few months.

>>23717797
There are quite a bit of people who bought high on this one, can't blame him. In the end he'll make all his money back + some without a doubt

>>23717842
yeh i guess - gotta risk it for the biscuit

Whenever bitcoin calms down, then alts can run

>>23717405
Numbers are fun, but it's true I don't have many friends. I don't think I'm an ass though. Just not good at talking to people or making friends.
>>23717469
The mutual funds pay dividends. It's hard to beat 10%/yr. I'm looking for safe returns once I get to that point. I can live with just a 4x in under 15 years. Roids are better for your health that being natty if done right, but anti aging is something of an obsession for me. I felt like shit before getting on and I wasn't even 30 yet. I'd sooner give up my wealth than I would my fitness routine and health. >>23717797
What is worrying about it? It's not very good returns right now but you have to remember the speculation element. I was down on link until we broke past $1, this is a game that rewards the patient and the planners. Keep your chin up and make calculated moves and there's no reason you won't make it in a few years time.
>>23717842
Says it all. That said don't let this be your only bag though. Everyone needs at least 5% btc and it doesn't hurt to some ETFs to tap into as a weird kind of emergency fund. It's easier to part with stonks than it is crypto, mentally at least. Cashing out process is a lot smoother too.

>>23718036
Yeah if you truly plan on completely cashing out. I'm not, I'll spend my crypto the same way I'd spend FIAT

I only have 12 nodes. But no more job or money. I can't buy any more :(

>>23718529
12 nodes is more than the majority of people man, you'll make another node from your rewards eventually!

>>23718662
This dump is extremely good for buying though. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>23718529
you're gonna make it, just hodl

>>23718707
Sure is.. Still accumulating this one. Want way more nodes before I settle

>>23716880
Cant wait to get RUGGED in this absolute spaghetty code

>>23719308
lol if there was a rug it would have happened. Dev's still here, shit still working. It's pretty sweet.
even if you think the code is shit - sushi pumped on release with shit code.

so how many MNs to make it?

>>23719492
And look what happened to that shitcoin

>>23719655
it went up to $10 before coming down?
People who took any profit, up until this point made a tonne of money?

Good to me.

>>23719492
Not worth rugging when they can just mint as much as they want lmao. That would go unnoticed long enough to market dump and get maybe 10btc before books are wiped clean. If they masterkey it I think it'd be riskier than just minting the equivalent amount. They've put the effort and enough time in that it's not worth crashing at this point with $0.1 XSN. That is my hope at least.

>>23719612
10 is a good target back when we were $0.3+. It would cost very little to get that much now. Probably better to just stake the 150k until we get some better prices at this point since the returns are shit. Fees eating up >25% of block rewards. Kind of buggy getting them set up though so I wouldn't tear any down to stake unless you don't mind the process. Takes about five minutes each and my luck has been about 1 in 3 fuck up and have to be redone. Prices are low enough I'd rather buy $100 of xsn each month and top up the cloud wallet instead of using my rewards. Expect around 5.7xsn/day/mn. $0.15/day/mn in fees paid in xsn.

>>23719965
10 is a great target, frankly 30 is better now you're right.

>>23719884
They cannot mint anything without approval of the node owners.
God damn you're dumb...

>>23720760
They own nodes. How many times have you voted anyway? Not hard to pass if they're the only one who votes. I doubt they only have 10 or 20 masternodes anyway. It would be more pronounced than you think. Try using your brain sometime.

>50$ liquidity
>github ghost town (shillers claim they have private repo lmao pathetic)
>anon dev's probably eastern europeans or turks
>roadmap from 2018, still haven't got even half of them done
>idea was great back then but now uniswaps and cz's casino took the market share bcz of the incompetence of the xsn devs

>BUT BUT BUT LIGHTING NETWORKS!! FAST SWAPS!!

anon, normie doesn't care about that. he rather buys straight from cex with his visa card and doesn't care about your stupid feeles dex with zero users

>>23720944
uniswap volume says otherwise

>>23720944
have you tried using Dex?

I.e. not Cex which get their wallets siezed, shut down withdrawls... etc.

>>23720944
Lmao, I haven't touched a cex except for initial deposits after using uniswap.

Next year I'm quite certain we will be seeing 1$+, easy 10x from here.

>>23720944
DEX's is getting more and more volume every single day. No liquidity? The Stakenet DEX can pull liquidity from ANY CEX out there.. Liquidity providers make sure of that.

Lame ass FUD, better luck next time.

Cex scammers

>>23716880
how low will it go? or is there news coming, i am kicking myself hard for not buying it when it was 2 cent in march but i also didnt expect it to dump 40 cent again. so i guess this is my second chance.

this is pretty much a guaranteed 1$ in 1-2 years right ?

>>23720930
>They own nodes. How many times have you voted anyway? Not hard to pass if they're the only one who votes. I doubt they only have 10 or 20 masternodes anyway. It would be more pronounced than you think.
So, any XSN shillers here gonna refute this? I think the Stakenet community should vote for public audit on these developers. The developers are way too suspicious, github is empty, don't communicate with community much, shady public/private beta, etc.

>>23717589
>beat uniswap
The stakenet DEX aggregator relies on instant settlement exchanges (layer 2 DEXs and CEXs). Uniswap moving up into layer 2 would be bullish for XSN

>>23722343
>this is pretty much a guaranteed 1$ in 1-2 years right ?
You run the classic risk of "project failing", which is basically the only reason people didnt buy link sub $1

>>23722351
Fair on the number of nodes the team own and maybe the autistic communication but the rest of what you say I don't agree with.
First of all the github isn't empty. The DEX is a private repo, and the XSN repo is updated frequently, there's a bot that keeps track of commits and pull requests in the discord, and having a private beta is not shady, it is a regular and, IMO, expected occurrence in software development.

>>23722443
>Stakenet community should vote for public audit on these developers
Right, advocate activity that would decimate your own investment, kek.

>>23722621
Governance is pointless if the team owns most of the nodes anyway. Yeah, they can mint as many stakenet coins as much as they want and bankrupt investors who actually vouch for the project to be successful. If there's no public audit on these developers then nobody's gonna trust on these guys because they can manipulate votes into their own liking. Ironically, we're talking about governance during the middle of election. Haha.

>The DEX is a private repo, and the XSN repo is updated frequently, there's a bot that keeps track of commits and pull requests in the discord
It doesn't matter what codes contain on these commits but what matters are the number of commits and which developer these commits belong to so that the community will know which developers are under performing. If only the community can fire under performing developers through governance then crypto would've been a safer investment than say, stocks.

Huobi executive arrested for illegal activity. Pray that those on huobi don’t become cucks like okex.

>>23722351
<32% of XSN is in masternodes. Inflation is a thing of course so the teams shit will go up with everyone else's but it's not really something you can audit, it's a central part of how XSN works. I'm more concerned about hydra never coming and them keeping dex fees for whatever the next big project is coming (soon) that I am them masterkeying or minting themselves an additional 100% of supply. If they pull it off they stand to make a lot more than if they try and pull a quick and dirty rug. If they were, going to rug there was a lot of opportunities before, or shortly after the posw scam takeover. If it's a con they're playing a very long con, and again at this rate they may be more likely to get legit bucks than scam bucks. Then again they might just be waiting to bridge eth so they can get a juicier payout from rugging.
It's crypto. Either the project fails and goes - 99%, rugs and goes - 99%, or you see fat gains. There's no defending yourself here as you see with all the audited guys still managing to fuck bagholders. Audits don't mean shit as far as I'm concerned.

odds?

>>23723902
Plz explain to a brainlet. 600k sats xsn in the future? That puts my xsn bags alone in the 8 digits territory on the dollar. I think it's hard to go off past performance when this is one of those projects that rely entirely on the team getting their shit together and releasing a product. But apparently speculation can pull things to retarded levels looking at the last bull lo who the fuck knows.
If I'm ever that rich I'm getting a cabbitch gf and fucking her in the butt every day.

>>23723902
Looks kind of autistic. Two charts compared:
>XSN rally and crash 2020 - post BTC halving, pre new BTC ATH
>BLOCK rally and crash 2016 - post BTC halving, pre new BTC ATH
Both projects are of a similar nature.
Both pumped in the summer months that followed the last two BTC halvings.
Both ran out of momentum near the end of summer and crashed through the fall.
BLOCK got hit hard after the 2016 elections when BTC started it's pump back to and beyond ATH. XSN appears to be getting hit the same way.
BLOCK's 2016 "euphoria" was approx 60 cents. It crashed to 4 cents, then pumped all through 2017 before topping out at $60 at the start of 2018. It did a 100x

XSNs ecosystem is a lot more advanced than 2017 DEX tech.
If DeFi is indeed the new ICO/dApp platform bubble of this cycle, XSN will see action like BLOCK did.

Big thread

why the fck delta shows different prices? then cmc and gecko are different too?

>>23724810
Coingecko is the most accurate because it simply reflects the going rates and volume without any additional layers of interference.
XSN's price and volume info is wonky on CMC. Numerous times where there have been "technical issues" that exclude Livecoin's rate/volume. When this happens, and it's happened numerous times, it displays info from obscure exchanges where it has little volume and the price is either very high or much lower than what it's actually going for. They play a lot of games with what is "eligible" and what isn't.

>>23724308
holy fuck Block pumped to $60.

We gonna make it

>>23725405
US Postal Service files patent for Blockchain-based voting system
https://www.forbes.com/sites/vipinbharathan/2020/09/20/us-postal-service-files-a-patent-for--voting-system-combining-mail-and-a-blockchain/amp/
Bullish

Bump

>>23725760
XSN and USPS partnership confirmed! With the two teams combined I expect even greater levels of unprecedented efficiency, transparency, and communication.

>>23727947
I've been waiting for blockchain to reach the 24/7 news cycle for some time. Seems to be getting closer. It is cringe when they speak on behalf of it and don't know what they're talking about all, but it could turn into some reactionary politics scenario where one side says blockchain bad and the other side in reaction embraces it with open arms and wallets.

>>23728112
That's probably exactly how it will go down too. They even managed to make masks a political thing. The stupid right vs left Twix and Mike vs Ike was meant as parody but I always felt that hit a little too close to home. No one is happy about it so how these marketing dipshits think cracking a joke about how retarded democracy is is beyond me. That's the last thing I want on my mind when eating candy. At least we stand to gain no matter which side takes it up as their cross. Mammon don't care who you vote for, he's a cruel master but I take the abuse.

>>23724308
>XSNs ecosystem is a lot more advanced than 2017 DEX tech.
There is a lot of stuff the devs can't talk about due to NDAs too.
>BLOCK's 2016 "euphoria" was approx 60 cents. It crashed to 4 cents
I guess our 'euphoria' was in june/july? And this is our crash?

>>23728196
People are made so overly zealous by corporate media disinfo that it may as well by left twix vs. right twix.
Mark Twain was right about people either being uninformed or misinformed. The uninformed tend to be wiser in many ways for their lack of diligent effort.

>>23727947
>XSN and USPS partnership confirmed!
Where does it say that?

>>23728356
BLOCK hit its 2016 ATH September 9, exactly 2 months after the July 9 2016 BTC halving.
XSN hit its 2020 ATH August 14, about 2 months and 3 weeks after the May 18 2020 BTC halving.
BTC is breaking out now. If it's anything like last time, alts will bleed out and capitulate in Q4 or early Q1 2021 (good buying opportunity) as BTC soars back to ATH.
I think alts will provide wild GBR-like returns into 2021-22, but only once BTC reaches a new paradigm north of $20k.

>>23728565
So I should buy a little of btc right now and dump into alts after moon?

>>23728603
BTC looks really bullish. It hasn't been this high since January 2018.

>>23729249
Only problem is i have no money to buy btc lol.

The astroturfing in XSN threads is next level

XSN is complete pile of shit vaporware project

>>23729738
>Scam
Kys cz.

>>23724308
>Both projects are of a similar nature.
Yeah except BLOCK is more advanced compared to XSN.

>XSNs ecosystem is a lot more advanced than 2017 DEX tech.
Oh, you're dreaming.

>>23716880
S.....Stak......SAFEX?

>>23730563
>Yeah except BLOCK is more advanced compared to XSN.
Fuck off, this is the 2nd biggest lie i've seen this week. Blocknet stands no chance.
>>23730609
>cz scam
Nah fuck off.

>>23722969
I agree with you. As long as there's no public audit on Stakenet, no new investors are going to trust the devs. Investors should make sure that 1 - they don't have masterkeys and 2 - they don't own majority of the nodes.

>>23731062
Bad fud.

there is room for all komodo,blocknet and stakenet! and its good for whole ecosystem that everything it's not laying on one piece... reason i like blocknet and have invested in it is that they know this and community aslo know this. we all should reunion our forces not fight against.

>>23731438
I disagree. Layer 1 DEX solutions will not get used due to congestion, wait times, and high prices.

>>23731476
Unidex volume says otherwise

Hi steakfags

You turkish cunts can go suck mohammeds cock

>>23731875
400 million is not much compared to CEXs. It's already been proven that uniswap (layer 1) had major congestion issues during the mini defi run.

its good to have first working layer 1 before other layer's... its like building a house

>>23731953
Doesn't work that way retard.

>>23731888
XSN will allow me to move out of Londonistan you can enjoy Muhammad's cock you dirty Paki

>>23731932
100m would absolutely moon the fuck out of XSN.

Shit 10m would 50x the price.

I'm happy with a slice of that market, that could potentially trickle to layer 2 solutions that don't have congestion issues.

okey.. im retard.. and blocknet is shit and stakenet is god. Followers of stakenet are sons of god... there only one tru god and its stakenet other projects are gona be doomed and there will be blood on the street... sounds good now? you worry on your investment in stakenet?

can you explain for retard why stakenet is superior?

why not pull the same rope? why the toxicity?

>>23732096
Indeed. Looking at how blocknet pumped in the previous bullrun gives me high hopes for $100 XSN. And I don't think it will dump after the peak, not nearly as much since the overall space of crypto is usable (going to be).
>>23732242
>>23732252
>>23732312
First, please learn how to use replies.
>you worry on your investment in stakenet?
No, long term looks extremely bullish and short term alright. I'm in the closed beta and we've been given some new info that eth testing will be coming in a few builds (for closed beta testing).
>can you explain for retard why stakenet is superior?
Blocknet uses layer 1, meaning it will have major congestion issue and high fees once crypto gets adopted. Think back to the 2017 bullrun, and how high btc fees were and how slow the network is.
Layer 2 DEXs (stakenet is far ahead of everyone else) does not have this issue, also layer 2 is private so addresses are very difficult to track.

>>23732371#

any security or Trust issue on useing LN secondlayer?

Why cant komodo or blocknet make second layer?

>>23732601
>any security or Trust issue on useing LN secondlayer?
Not that I am aware off. The most recent exploit was fixed in lnd 11.
>Why cant komodo or blocknet make second layer?
It's not that they can't but it takes a lot of time and work to make it possible. Stakenet is very far ahead in this regard.

>>23732371

cant all dex go all in one and stakenet second layer top on it?

>>23732662
>cant all dex go all in one
Sorry but I don't understand what you mean?

This is now a hex thread

>>23732667

like if all dex liquid could combine "one big massive dex" and that dex would have layer 1 and yours stakenet layer 2. ultimate decentralisation ... you get idea what im trying to mean? XD

>>23732772
>>23732786
Kys
>>23732773
Oh ok i see. That wouldn't do much since those dexs would still be using layer 1. So the cumulative on-chain use would still be the same.

>>23732795
Hex is a shitcoin, you know about stakenet don't you anon?

>>23732798
Steaknet too long a word for HEXfags

>>23732819
Stakies anon, stakies.

>>23732822
>>23732833
Why don't you make your own thread? Most anons here are looking to here about stakenet. In fact most of /biz/ already knows which is why they either ignore or fud. Of coz the brainlets fall for the fud and don't understand the implications of the tech.

>>23732880
>>23732892
Seriously fuck off pajeet.

>>23732913
Kys

I wonder how everyone who puts a lot of work into the project feel when they see this shit starting to come to the floor.

>>23732934
Pretty comfy, the price dip is mainly due to bitcoin and honestly i expect alts to dump more as bitcoin breaches 20k. It's hard to say just how high bitcoin will go and when alts will recover then moon. But this is definitely the last cheap buying opportunity.
>>23732947
FUCK OFF NIGGER!

>>23732795

in future if all uses LN senond layer they could do this "one big Dex"?

>>23732960
>in future if all uses LN senond layer they could do this "one big Dex"?
Possibly, but it depends. If layer 2 fees are extremely low then people won't have any reason to use layer 1 again for trading. A massive layer 1 dex getting popular would increase fees on-chain which kinda fucks itself.

>>23732971
>>23732987
Stop spamming your scam here curry nigger.

This is what we call fanboy fucking. It's always Bitcoin's fault, whether up or down. These people can't manage the project, if they were working for me, I'd fuck them off work after a week.

would like to see someday the "big dex" .. thank you for this conversation

Due to a lack of good governance, they will soon run out of money for development and will print millions more to drag this shit indefinitely.

>>23732997
Learn to reply.
>if they were working for me, I'd fuck them off work after a week.
Retard, theses devs are some of the best. They are leading in building a professional and functional layer 2 DEX that supports BTC - ETH swaps. Find me another project that comes anywhere close, pro tip you can't.
>>23732999
>>23733010
>>23733037
Kys.
>>23733019
>they will soon run out of money for development
No they have plenty of funds left. Why do you come in here and lie?

best price chart in crypto, everything flatlining. hex goes up

JoPark took over the role of YankeeRuinedXSN, because the other one seems stupid to fuck people for so many years.

>Hex pajeet spams in xsn thread

>>23733312
can some jannie put this curry to sleep?

>>23733334
>30 post by this id
Jannies wtf are you doing.

Good morning everyone.
I'm surprised to see that this thread is still up.
XSN is trading in 700 sat territory again. Still trying to find a floor. I'm going to put low-ball buy orders in for the rest of the year.
>>23730563
>BLOCK is more advanced compared to XSN.
11 weeks out from entering open beta and XSN's DEX went from handling a few hundred dollars in volume/24h to $20k. Pic related.
How will BLOCK compete on a big scale using L1?

>>23733611
I think sats value will drop more when btc goes up.

>>23731138
>Bad fud.
You couldn't even answer such very important question.

>inb4 fud
How is audit a fud? People has the right to know such important things to prevent fraud. People need to know whether the devs have masterkeys or not - the devs have not answered this yet. People need to know if the devs hold most of the nodes - the devs have avoided this question many times in telegram. Any legit question about XSN is being seen as fud by the devs is not really a good sign that the devs can be trusted.

>>23733633
Do you really think the devs will work this long on a project just so they can scam and run away? They make a lot more by doing the correct thing.

>not fud
It is fud because the devs do not own majority of the masternodes. You fudders always pull shit outta your ass.

>>23733629
Same. One last bloodbath for alts.
Most who bought promising alts at this point in 2016 and held for a year made 100x returns or more.
Hell, even BLOCK could potentially pump back into double-digit territory again.

>>23733702
Oh man the $100 xsn 2021 meme is gonna be real.

About to load up a shitload of XSN. Who's gonna chad with me ?

>>23716880
How much%? How much are you staking to fet 800 per mo

>>23733772
He would be a mega whale at these prices. Imagine how much he'll make a month at $1.

>>23733707
PoSW hit $1 as an unknown, obscure coin.
XSN could certainly hit $100 at the height of another GBR, especially as it is part of the DeFi bubble.
Just about every potential "ETH killer" and competitor saw insane price action during the ICO bubble. There's room for multiple projects to thrive.
I think XSN has the best shot at becoming the ETH of DEXs.

>>23733850
To hit $100 it needs to have around 10Bill MC. I think it's very possible considering what they are building. And I don't think it will dump much if the platform gets as big as im hoping it to be.

>>23733850
what was the difference between masternode and normal node? and how many is a masternode right now?

i am thinking about jumping on after i missed it for 2 cents after looking at it for 1 full year at 4-6 cents

Im considering XSN, prolly gonna give it 5% of my pf.
Wherr can I get it, Id prefer buying it after the btc run but at only 5% of my volume I can handle some loss.

Staking wont be a possibility for me tho, only 3k in total I guess thats not enough

>>23734101
15000xsn is required min for a masternode, you'll need 150xsn on cloud if you use MNaaS.
>>23734176
You can buy on livecoin (has the most volume) or buy on the dex.

>>23734176
bro you have no idea how early you are with 3000.
and yes that can afford you staking

>>23733772
% depends on his average buy price, I'm at about 4% and getting $417/mo. Fees for masternodes is about $95. Depending on if he is including fees or not in the $800 figure I reckon he has 40 to 50 masternodes, or he is doing tpos on a pretty fat stack(500k+). Figure just under $20 which varies with price minus flat rate of $4.56 USD value paid in xsn/mo/mn at these shit prices and about 14% if you get your entire stack at current price of $0.1148. The numbers are tempting, just realize it can keep bleeding so don't yolofomomofo like I did unless you are very confident. I'm down $78k and in makes me sick to think I could have over 1,000,000 xsn if I had been more careful with entry and got in at average of $0.12. 21mn feels like nothing compared to the 68mns I could have had. But we miss all the time and are fortunate to be unaware of such things. How many 5x options did I miss? 10x uniscams, 20x penny stocks, etc.. Once we see $2 xsn the sting will be much softer. I'm currently torn between stacking sats or trying to lower my average buy on xsn. The fundamentals are delicious but bitcoin looks like a guaranteed 10x in the next five years.

>>23734437
>Fees for masternodes is about $95.
I think you should clarify.

It's 15cents usd a day for 1 node if you use MNaaS.

>>23734101
There's merchant nodes, masternodes, then whatever a tpos host is called. Masternodes are what we're discussing and they secure the blockchain and give block rewards depending on the ratio of stakers and noders. The dex will be run on merchant nodes and eventualy by distributed across masternodes for decentralization and security in the final phase of dex dev. That is also when dex fees will be disbursed to masternode operators in addition to a small burn to help counter the inflation rate. With the aggregator and expected use of arb bots some speculate we could see inflation approach zero or even outpace inflation. Trades are completed in the native currency and fees are paid through market buying of xsn so it could put some real pressure on the xsn price. The tokenomics gives me moonboy giddiness if I think on it too long. I have to try and temper it with the reality that it's a very ambitious project in a sea of ambitious projects. No other L2 dex solution has this much progress though. My defeatist side says I got lucky with 50k link and lightning can't strike twice. But we're on /biz/, a lightning field and the constant reading and shitposting is equivalent to shoving a lightning rod up our ass with conductive lube. I think you're being reasonable keeping it at 5%. I did 4x that and it came back to bite me in the ass.
>>23734176
That would get you about 1.35k, assuming your pf is $3k. If you mean you pf is $60k and you want to go in with 5% which is $3k you should be shy just a couple hundred bucks from two masternodes. Just don't market buy whatever you do. Even livecoin doesn't have the liquidity for a $3k buy, but if you place an 30k xsn buy order it will get filled within 12 hours if it's a reasonable price.

>>23733720
Already am, friend.
>>23733940
Market sentiment makes the difference between $10b market cap being within arms reach or being a pipe dream. Sentiment for crypto is only getting more bullish and will likely stay that way for the time to come.
>>23734101
XSN masternodes are intended to act as code-agnostic servers that run the DEX and earn fees from it in addition to the standard block rewards they earn now.
Alternatively, you could stake a large amount of XSN. They compete in terms of profitability as there is a 45/45/10 (treasury) split of the rewards. If too many people saturate the MN side of the network, it would become more profitable to stake and vice-versa. Last time I checked, MNs are still more profitable.

>>23734741
anything i need to know about livecoin? i kinda want to start buying a little now that you say you should only limit buy.
just kinda iffy about buying BTC to transfer to livecoin right now.

>>23734453
>Figure just under $20 which varies with price minus flat rate of $4.56 USD value paid in xsn/mo/mn
I feel like that clarifies it pretty clearly. It's not a short post but sometimes the small details are the most important. If I were to actually clarify I would say if op is getting that from mn's he is paying about ~182.4 to 228 per month in fees.
Who goes by daily cost anyway? There's too many days in a year so breaking it up to monthly, quarterly, or yearly makes more sense. In my case that's about $95.76, $287.28, and $1,149.12. When managing money you have to track it and you want the information stored and displayed in a way that works with the rest of your personal finance management system. I use all three because I still wage and it helps to consider different scales when deciding on moves within the month, quarter, and year. Makes tax time easier too as long as you don't get things mixed up. Knowing excel is a real life saver so you can keep it all in one place and pull the numbers as you need it in the way you need it. My math sometimes has stupid errors when I throw a shitpost together in a hurry but I double checked here and it's good.

>>23734888
I've never had trouble with them. Don't kyc or your shit is locked for 24 or 48 hours iirc. The daily withdrawal limits is generous enough on non-kyc'd. Something like 2btc/24hrs. I can into the limit on binance because I waited too long before pulling my link but still it was just checking each day and making a transfer until my account was dry. A minor inconvenience. If you're worried about security then move just a day's worth of purchases at a time and transfer the xsn back after your trade completes. It's a cex so it's not perfect, but un my case at least I haven't been fucked with on livecoin it any way. Can't say the same for coinbase which gets off on fucking with your shit.

>>23735040
where do you store xsn ?

>>23734741
I think stakenet will be a big name in the future. Also I think the name sound good, stakies too.
>>23734888
Checked. I find livecoin slow deposits/withdrawals,
>>23735195
You can store xsn on hardware wallets, XSN DEX, XSN Core, XSN Cloud (centralised but you get pooled staking, you can't store more than 10K xsn on the cloud FYI).

>>23734888
Checked. I've used Livecoin to buy XSN ever since Cryptopia got hacked and I treat it the same.
>deposit BTC
>buy XSN
>withdraw immediately
It's ok for a no-KYC CEX. When you make an account or reset your password, I believe it freezes withdrawals for a few days. I believe 2FA shortens the wait time and increases 24h withdrawal limits.
It's been some time since I made my account so I don't remember the terms precisely. I'd recommend waiting until the account can withdraw to deposit any BTC.

>>23735303
whats the place if you gonna go masternodes? i might buy a few the coming months

>>23735343
is eth not possible btw?

>>23735195
On my pc with a couple backups on SD cards. I figure put it with my camera junk and they assume it's an ancient 8gb card that's worthless. If they ever get mn management working on ledger I will move it to that but I feel good enough with my current setup. I just like knowing I have titanium stamped plates in backup locations so even a fire won't fuck me over(assuming I survive it).
>>23735303
You just don't get staking rewards for amounts greater than 10k, unless they changed it again. Not sure how they'd block a transaction of 11k with how it's implemented. Cloud is the dumbest place to store though so it hardly matters. My vote goes to core wallet or hw wallet.

>>23735444
Possible but it's a shitty pair that should be removed. Look at the volume and order book for it. Either your order will never be filled or you will wind up paying $1+/xsn on it.

>>23735425
I would say livecoin, although you can buy from Beaxy and you could try the DEX, link is on the discord.
>>23735444
ETH is possible, but the liquidity on that pair is low so i would send ETH to Livecoin (make sure it's NOT from a contract wallet, make sure that you follow the livecoin instructions), then swap for BTC then for XSN.

>>23735425
Right now you have to run a node on XSN Core. XSN Cloud has MNaaS so it's easy to setup. In the future you will be able to run nodes with your xsn in your ledger/trezor and on the Dex.
>>23735444
Checked. Eth pairs volume is terrible, btc is the only way.
>>23735477
Checked.
>Not sure how they'd block a transaction of 11k with how it's implemented.
I must have misread what they meant. If its only staking rewards that would be good.
>Cloud is the dumbest place to store though so it hardly matters. My vote goes to core wallet or hw wallet.
I think storing on cloud is better for moving it from livecoin if you haven't got the core or betadex.
>>23735544
Checked. I remember someone did that.

>>23735622
checked, i am just making all the trips today.

so if i buy 10 masternodes i can only use 1 on the cloud right now ?

>>23735444
Nice 2x trips.
There are XSN/ETH markets but none of them have good volume right now.
XSN/ETH and ERC20 swaps will be a critical part of the DEX. I'm not in the group testing out that component, but it appears to be going well from what I've heard.
I can vouch for the SSUI. It has made significant progress over the past few weeks in private beta. It works with a rather high success rate now, but still needs a little more heavy stress-testing to ensure the rate is near-perfect.
LN swaps themselves underwent a very similar procedure.

>>23735723
If you're buying large amounts 7K+, it's better to store them on xsn core so you can make a masternode.

>>23735727
>SSUI
Can't wait to test eth soon.

>>23735723
Masternodes are kept on your core wallet, mnaas just helps you through the process of setting it up. No xsn is kept on the cloud when running a mn. You will want some on the cloud though as fees are paid for with your cloud wallet. Mn and staking are two distinct things with xsn.

Is now a good time to pick up a masternode?

>>23735947
Yes, now and until btc moons and starts to go into alts.

>>23735947
It's the lowest price we've seen in some time, news looks bullish. Tough call to make though. $13mm mcap. Do you see it going higher in the long term? Short term? Worth waiting it out for a lower entry at risk of price moving to quick above current prices? Order books are thin so it doesn't take much for a 10% move in sats. If you want a good sized bag but see price going down you don't have much choice but to load up a bit each day. If you just want one or two mn's you could wait and still not get burned too bad if it starts pumping. It will be hard to get six figure amounts if we see another uptrend without your average price jumping accordingly.
Determine your portfolio % allocation and desired average cost and start from there using your trading strategies. Shit is just too personal on microcap shitcoins for me to feel comfortable giving a step by step plan. I guess to answer your question I'd say it's a better time now than it was for some instances in the past, but I would add that I can't read the future so like, idk bro. For what it counts I've got some money on xsn.

>>23735963
>moons
That seems like it could be today

>>23735947
I'd say between now and January.
What I've been doing lately is moving BTC to Livecoin, putting in low-ball orders, and keeping an eye out.
I wouldn't rule out XSN finding a floor between 550-650 sat again when BTC goes parabolic. Don't want it to, but if it does, I buy.

500 - 600 sats i will buy a lot

>>23736863
Same. I intend to get as many MNs as possibly by EOY. Once you have enough MNs to get >15k XSN in rewards/year it's pretty comfy

>>23737470
i'll wait for the dip,. i generally like buying when people are crying, and people are starting to cry.

usually my best trades.

>>23736863
well fuck i only have tether and the price is not actually going down, just the sats.

i hope 15k is the ceiling for now. i dont really wanna but btc to buy xsn right now and get cucked when it suddenly drops while i am transferring

>>23737470
how many fucking nodes is that ?

>>23738208
8

>>23738279
oooh, thats doable for me if the price reaches 10 cent. would be almost all my crypto monopoly money though

Let's say I want to buy a MasterNode and set it up on a VPS, what are the required specs for it to run?

>>23735303
i am currently downloading core wallet
https://stakenet.io/

seems a lot bigger then just a wallet, am i just downloading the whole means of staking here? i just wanted to have a wallet to try and buy a very small amount of xsn right now

>>23738658
If you want a wallet for a small amount of XSN, particularly less than 10k XSN, you could try putting it on the XSN cloud. The DEX/Multicurrency beta wallet can work as a wallet for XSN. The Core Wallet is currently not a light wallet so downloads the whole blockchain for use.

>>23738416
very low, small vpn's can deal with it. But thay may change as the dex moves to hydra.

At the moment i run some nodes off some of the cheapest vultr servers.

>>23738765
so the program i am downloading now will be using the computer to rune nodes? i am not sure i want to run it on this computer, i was thinking of getting an older cheap model i let run in the corner.

cloud is pretty much what i was looking for now, there does not seem to be much protection on it though, just a password and email.

>>23738416
>>23738770
Having said that... if the node needs to be upgraded to deal with future fees... i'm not gonna be complaining at the $$$$ coming in

Is there a good quickguide on staking you guys can recommend? All i understand is that have to hold a certain amount of a coin and make it a functional node so the system can run, but I don't understand how or what exactly it does and if by running a node my coins are still " free" as in I can sell them on the same day I disband the node.

Also how many XSN is necessary for a MN? (I imagine that means masternode?)

I have left crypto in 2018 and the whole new DeFi technology went past me. Thanks for the help bros.

>>23738849
With masternode hosting, you keep the coins in your personal wallet and the cloud will run the masternode on your behalf.

So it's safe.

You may find this helpful:
https://cloud.stakenet.io/login - this is the easiest place to run a MN, and it keeps the coins in your wallet. The VPN is paid for with XSN.

If you're new to running them, it's not a bad place to start.

>>23734682
my pf is 3k, how many XSN is reasonable atm? I think btc will rise to 17-18k maybe even 20 before going back down to 13-14k.

XSN are at a good price right now, but they could be around 20% lower.

low iq discussion.

>>23738073
The biggest red flag I saw in 2017 was "couple takes 2nd mortgage on home to buy BTC" ($17-19k).
The biggest bull flag I saw in 2018/early 2019 was the media eulogizing it again ($3k).
Glad I had some more spending money to play with when XSN crashed to 3 cents earlier this year. That helped me get to double-digit MN count.
>>23738416
It can be done for cheap. I know someone who found a VPS that does 5¢/day hosting.
XSN Cloud is 15¢ but MNaaS is extremely convenient.
>>23738922
Checked and 15k/MN.
>Traditional MN setup guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlLRnW3Ke8
>MNaaS setup guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlLRnW3Ke8
Both vids are a little old (2018). The process has not changed very much.

ooh boy i knew i should have waited a few days, bought a tiny amount of BTC at 15166 to buy xsn but it is still transferring

>>23739453
:(

>>23739453
>t. John Oliver
>>23739609
Q4 2020 is looking great for BTC.
It could break ATH by January.

man how long does a btc transfer take usually? i still have not gotten my stuff on livecoin

>>23740211
>i still have not gotten my stuff on livecoin
Oh no, your bitcoin got stol... I mean lost in the transaction? Please send a ticket to Vlad, and he will take a look! Best regards, Livecoin support team

>>23740286
i do hope this was the correct site
https://www.livecoin.net/en/finance/index

>>23740211
It takes a good while. They want more, confirmations than others. Btc is already slow too. I wouldn't fret much. Sending the xsn back is a much quicker affair at least.

>>23740352
i am more pissed i didnt just go with the eth route since btc will crash to 13k before i get my xsn now.

>>23740211
I've had it take anywhere from 30 minutes to half a day. The other day was one of the longest waits I ever had.
>sent BTC Thursday, October 29, 2020 1:42 PM
>received BTC on Livecoin Friday, October 30, 2020 3:35 AM
Almost 14 hours. All the more reason to further the adoption of L2.
You can expedite it on-chain by paying a higher tx fee. I'm cheap so I usually don't and hold out.
Still frustrating though.

>>23740373
i wanna go to bed soon, i bought some orders at 800 sat, now i wanna put down some orders. what is the chance btc will rally to 16k this night? kinda not sure if i should gamble and put an order lower then the quarterly low we just had.

>>23740583
Hard to say what it will do in such a short time frame.
DoJ seized $1 billion in Silk Road BTC/BCH/BSV
>https://www.coindesk.com/u-s-seized-more-than-1b-in-silk-road-linked-bitcoin-seeks-forfeiture-bloomberg
The last time XSN was under 780 sat was when it jumped up from the 660-690 sat range in June.
Whenever I have buy orders in, I usually just keep Livecoin open in a tab, signed out, and loosely keep an eye on the price action.

>>23740774
i am a land surveyor. so i only look at charts in the morning for 5 minutes and in the evening.
do you mind sharing your targets?

for now i might just spend 1k every week until i have a few nodes.

i waited years to buy in at 4-6 cent and didnt even when it was at 2 cent. now that xsn crashed back to 10 cent i should probably just start taking the chances.

same go's for vidt but i am less sure about how that even pumped to 1$

>>23716880
Just like bitcoin this doesnt even need to exist. We already fully functional decentralised trading running on Ethereum. All the other useless non erc shitcoins can go to hell for what i care

>>23740825
Worst case scenario? Maybe 500 sat or somewhere in the 400 territory when there's a flash crash and capitulation. It went sideways in the 500-650 sat range for a long time during the bear market.
I'm not really a TA guy. I bet on the consistency of patterns within a particular sequence and have been DCA'ing for about 2 years. I caught the knife a few times doing it. I believe XSN (and a number of alts) will do especially well next year because I believe BTC will reach a new paradigm and bring alts along for the ride for a 3rd or maybe even 4th time.

For most of the time when XSN rallied this summer, there were far more buying than selling. Once the pressure inverted, it began to crash.
The books on Livecoin are a good indicator of demand. At the moment there are about 1.2 mil in sell orders and 584k in buys.
Sell pressure is still stronger. You may have people unload to ride the BTC pump.
>>23740854
Please. I've been hearing "Casper coming soon" since Bitcoin was $1k. Uniswap was a mess on ETH 1.0. Having XSN as an L2 relief valve for burdensome L1 BTC/ETH tx is a good thing.

>>23741200
what other coins you looking at? i am still looking at a buy in for link if it ever crashed to 5 dollar again. (i bought it for 27 cent and sold it for 17 cent btw)

also still looking at vidt and wondering if ESH would be a good investment while waiting for a next coin they will swap.

>>23741699
In 2017 I had probably 30 different alts. I sold out of most of them in early 2018. Shortly after BTC capitulated in December 2018, I drew up the following plan and I've been sticking to it through thick and thin ever since.
>DCA buy and hold at most 3-4 coins of varying degrees of risk into the end of 2020
>Re-assess position no later than Q1 2022
>low-risk (BTC)
>med-risk (ETH/XMR)
>high-risk (XSN)
I chose XSN as my sole high risk because I was very impressed with how much development progress they were making during the worst of the bear market.
I'm with you on missing the LINK boat. I remember when it was initially shilled in September 2017. I thought about buying some, but ended up buying COSS at 5¢ instead. I'm happy I got a 5-10x from that at best and got out in early 2018 before they KYC'd and put out that exuberant party video (lol)
Nice gains, but they don't compare to the returns LINK pulled.

>>23742521
at least i am happy i never swapped my ESH to ghost but selled before the swap.

This coin shows 8 dollars daily volume tho

>>23742964
CMC
>$534,041 USD
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/stakenet/

CoinGecko
>$540,039 USD
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/stakenet

XSN DEX
>$12,639.51 USD
https://orderbook.stakenet.io/monitor/xsn_btc

Looks like whatever you are using to check the price is only pulling info from Beaxy ($8/24h). No one in the XSN community uses Beaxy because it has KYC. A few people who initially did stopped because they botched a deposit match promo event (marketed as a nsa bonus but was really a loan).

where can i check masternode counts?

>>23743433
You can look on the Core Wallet under the second tab in masternodes (can't remember what it's called).
Alternatively you can head over to https://stakenet.info/masternodes/ where there is a count there

>>23743433
>>23743469
There's also a count on the block explorer itself at xsnexplorer.io, but stakenet.info has cool maps and more detailed info. Pic related.
>https://stakenet.info/masternodes/global
>https://stakenet.info/staking/tpos/global

Don't you know when the shit is going to sink? Look at this!

And this is how I end this long topic. The truth will stand up for itself, BYE!

>>23744460
>it went down after going up
Investing may not be for you.

>>23744460
>HA! CASE CLOSED!! I SHOWED THOSE STAKENET PAJEETS! HIGH IQ MOVE OMG I'M NOT A RETARDED BASEDBOY!!!!
Just stick to BTC if you're a total retard, alts are probably not for you.

>>23745144
Unsure how BASEDBOY turned into BASEDBOY but I'll take it as a sign brb selling my whole stack based-turkroach

>>23745177
JANNIES NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>23743469
https://masternodes.online/currencies/XSN/

>>23745144
>>23745177
>>23745199
Checked.
Jannies and sȯyboys are one and the same.

>>23745177
Not from around here?

>BTC might break $16k tonight
So it begins.

>>23746346
No sir, only been lurking these depths for a couple of months

Wtf this thread still up.

>>23738849
The core wallet is where your node collateral is stored, you can host the masternode through xsn cloud as they offer a service.
Cloud has 2FA you can turn on.
>>23738995
They could be lower, it's up to you when you want to buy, dips are for buying, we're in a dip now and it may dip more as btc moons.
>>23742964
>>23743268
>>23743268
>https://coinranking.com/coin/DCGfNDwbjTbtk+stakenet-xsn
>500,000
>>23743433
>https://stakenet.info/masternodes/history
>>23744195
Looks like it will blow up extremely hard.

>>23746991
lol that one HEX shill took over the thread and spammed it relentlessly
>>23747455
>Looks like it will blow up extremely hard.
Checked. As explained here
>>23723902 >>23724308
A serious altcoin run could have XSN hit double digit prices, possibly even $100, in 2021.

>>23747615
When you consider how much XSN is already locked up and the future dex burn mechanic, you know things are gonna be fucking amazing next year for stakenet.

>>23747654
I've never been more sure that XSN will succeed. It becomes more certain day by day, week by week.
Some of us have been telling /biz/ about this since 2018. Still haven't sold 1 XSN.

bump

Do they have tpos on ledger yet? I really want my stakies.

>>23748879
The hard fork was successful. Now they're working on implementing the UI into the wallet.

>>23749099
Checked. I heard you can already do it on trezor?

>>23749394
Looks like it works.
https://xsnexplorer.io/trezor
I don't have a Trezor to test it out on my own.
Once it's working on Ledger, I can finally put my Nano S to use.

>>23750029
Same, hopefully soon.

>>23750051
All my XSN is in MNs but it's satisfying to buy straight P2P from a DEX and send straight to cold storage.
No geoblocking. No KYC. No limits. No games.

>>23750569
Will they have it so you can trade from your ledger with the dex?

>>23751032
Soon. 5 years . Buahahaha

>>23716880
Daily reminder Stakenet is basically a community coin, total vaporware, and you should go look at the LOKI chart NOW.

>>23719612
Ive been told even 1 is make it in the long term

>>23751201
>Loki
Fuck off, you always shill this shit.
>>23751275
1 is enough long term but if you can get more, get more.

>>23717469
this is just plain wrong, dividends will never make you more than a total market etf or VOO etf. Sure in 20 years time you might be making $40k p/a in dividends, but you would have 6x your money in that time with growth stocks. Then you can just go all in on a bluechip stock that pays dividends. Missing out on 3-4% compounded annually for 20 years is gonna fuck you

>>23752066
Checked.

Seeing the amount of fud and pajeets shilling their own scamcoins in this thread just baffles my mind. Perhaps XSN really is the next Link.

>>23753322
It is...

>>23753322
>>23753755
Checked.

>>23753756
xsn always has the digits, i keep repeating this for all new ppl.

XSN Marines will be the new meme at $20

>>23751032
So I've heard.
>>23753322
>>23753755
checked
>>23753957
based

Does Stakenet have a SINGLE viable competitor? because if someone can name me a single project that is solving the DEX problem in a better way i will be dumping my monthly paycheque into it.

Wait...XSN team is anonymous? Fuck this is a rugpull

>>23755092
I don't think so.
They got a 1.5 year head-start. Next to no one with influence in the crypto industry saw its potential until very recently. A few of them pretend that it doesn't exist and back mediocre L1 ERC-based ICO tokens instead.
XSN is only getting started. It's gonna be hard not to see it as the DEX volume keeps going up.

>>23755363
gonna pump in some money.
started with 1k that gave me about 8419.91815753 XSN

gonna see if btc dumps a bit before completing a masternode and figuring out how to run core on my computer.

after that i might start collecting a few more masternodes over the coming months, i am not sure how much time i have before it go's out of control again, also not sure if it will actually take a dump first (even more then the current 80%)

can we get a redpill on their team. Im skeptical

>>23755623
Very talented pic related.

>https://link.medium.com/f9N6jcE067
>This is guide how to do a raw Lightning Swap. It’s pretty remarkable that Stakenet have been able to go from requiring to do all that to do them to just simply clicking a few buttons when you think about it

>>23755623
they're pretty good but their communication isn't that good, so they don't get the exposure they deserve.

>>23755710
>>https://link.medium.com/f9N6jcE067
>>23755746
okay shillboys you almost have me.
But people are claiming they have no competitor, what about the HEGIC?

>>23755888
CHECKED.

>>23755888
>HEGIC
Who?
>Hegic: On-chain options trading protocol on Ethereum
>On-chain

>>23755894
what a shame, should've said something cool or post a bog

>>23755911
Checked again.

Also what did you mean?

>>23755623
They helped the LTC Foundation make LTC Lightning-compatible.
They found a major exploit in PIVX and tipped off their devs.
They are spoken highly of by the Raiden Network developers who are known for having one of the most active githubs in crypto.
They're backed by one of Bitmex's pre-seed angel investors (who also later sued Bitmex for not honoring their contract and won).
>>23755576
Hey man, welcome back. Are you holding any BTC? Something tells me alts might have one last crash.

>>23755905
I'm a retard, I just read dex and thought they compare.

>>23755926
Nice man, you seem informed.

I will def throw in a couple opf hundred bucks after the next altbleed.

>>23755926
no i was retarded in march. after getting a job and an actual prospect at buying a house at no risk but a year of working and taking a mortage with very low payments (its like 1.5% a year even if you lock for 20 years)
and pulled out of crypto. i have nothing in crypto except that XSN for now. i think i made like 20% gains in a year at most. my fucking mother bought some more BTC at 11k and just sold at 14.5k all in all i think she has made 100% gains the past 2 years on BTC alone. never touching any shitcoin and just randomly deciding to buy BTC low and selling high.

all in all at the start i was to careless and this year i was to risk averse, i even had a 5k euro buy order ready on bitvavo to buy BTC for 4k$ but told myself i would have a house risk free.

now i hope i will be somewhere in the middle and i hope that BTC will give me 1 more chance the coming 6 months or if 13k is the new bottom.

>>23756242
>my fucking mother
anon don't say such things

>>23756367
maybe it doesnt work in english, would "my god damn mother" convey the message better?

as in it is not a shout to my mother but more to the weirdness that she is doing better in crypto then me?

>>23756405
>she is doing better in crypto then me?
lmao

>>23756440
literally just buying a full BTC when "its low" an selling a full one when "its high"

coinbase
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/invite/qwv8g4kr

Go get your free XLM while its pumping charts say STRONG BUY

XLM vid quiz answers:

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Answer 2: Facilitating low-cost, universal payments

Answer 3: Transactions are fast, inexpensive, and global

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Its free real estate.

>>23756242
Congratulations on buying a house. I hope to do the same in the next 2 years.
If this upcoming bullrun is anything like the last one or the relatively ancient 2014 run, there are plenty of opportunities to make massive returns so long as you don't get too greedy or get blinded by popular sentiment.
Were you on /biz/ at the height of the GBR in 12/17-01/18? It was peak delusion. Everything was going up forever. Whoever made threads around Christmas saying "thanks biz, cashed out everything" was mocked.
>>23756153
Good luck. I plan to do the bulk of my XSN shopping over the next 8 weeks.

>>23757399
>e to do the same in the next 2 years.
>If this upcoming bullrun is anything like the last one or the relatively
I hope you dont jack up the price

up

>>23757399
>height of the GBR in 12/17-01/18?
How to identify the peack of delusion?

>>23757399
i was there and i got caught by FUN. i tripled my money and then it turned to dust.

before that i made gains on all sort of 3 letter acronyms that went up.

i still have a bag of REQ to remind me that nothing go's up forever

>>23757579
ah a fellow REQ'd one

>>23757467
whole market going up, and people still thinking everything goes up. But people got cautious now, pulling the trigger will happen very quickly this time the top won't plateau a single second.

>>23757639
>whole market going up, and people still thinking everything goes up
well in the summer only defi were going up along with chainlink.. my sell signal will be when scams like Fantom will go up again.. but it's hard to identify the very peack of delusion

>>23757639
>>23757797

>>23757797
peak delusion has always been, and will be for this cycle, mainstream media commenting euphorically about the growth of 'bitcoin'.

look for soi comments/"news" articles about "the new class of bitcoin millionaires" - this is your queue to go alts, then stablecoins, because that's your signal that any institutional money is now into the investment and hedging by looking to scam their Boomer clients into holding through the trough because 'it's a good growth play'.

if you assume the worst in speculative market makers (scalping/market manipulation/insider trading), you'll usually be right.

big funds are accumulating now, they'll drive a fast pump in the next months to get news trending about BTC, then they'll sell their Boomer clients on it and hedge themselves by capturing fee income for their holdings while they drive price down and then continue stacking sats.

>>23757435
I get a pretty comfy amount of MN rewards and I reinvest them into more MNs instead of selling.
Idk if I'd cash out everything, honestly.
>>23757467
Pic related is as true as it gets.
/biz/ went from self-congratulatory elation and euphoria to bargaining to a deep sense of despair in a year's time.
Inversely, when the sentiment was extremely bearish when BTC was in the gutter and there were tons of bobo threads calling for $2k or even $900 BTC, bobo got thorougly btfo. IIRC it was around April Fools Day 2019 when BTC pumped to $4k and it was glorious.
>>23757579
It was almost impossible not to make money at that time.

>>23758690
>It was almost impossible not to make money at that time.
it was for me, i literally only started right at the beginning and had no idea what i was doing. so i rode my req and FUN to the ground.

this year i was too careful instead, i still cant believe i didnt buy the march dip. i just kept saying to myself that i was a responsible adult and shouldnt gamble with money, even though i knew deep down that it was the golden dip.
i hope i am now in the middle.

at least i made money by rentering in the 2019 rally for half a BTC, my mother got a full one at 3800$ at that time and sold at like 10k.

>>23758690
also about the chart, has XSN not just done depression fase? i know BTC is in euphoria but how will that effect XSN that is already down 80%

>>23758767
It happens, man. Around Christmas 2018 I had my finger on the trigger to buy a ton of ETH when it was $85. I even made a thread on /biz/ when I was considering what to do, but I decided not to.
>>23758794
I think BTC just crossed the threshold from Hope to Optimism with this recent rally.
It still has yet to break its ATH so euphoria would be still be a ways away.
Alts (inc. XSN) are arguably still in the Hope phase as BTC leads the way. I think XSNs Depression phase was likely in March 2020.

>>23758632
>mainstream media commenting euphorically about the growth of 'bitcoin'.
>>23758632
>big funds are accumulating now, they'll drive a fast pump in the next months to get news trending about BTC, then they'll sell their Boomer clients on it and hedge themselves by capturing fee income for their holdings while they drive price down and then continue stacking sats.

when btc dumping won't alts be mooning?

>>23759364
Alts tend to do well when BTC is going sideways after some bullish action.
Otherwise
>if BTC crashes, alts crash
>if BTC pumps, alts crash

>>23755623
They are genuine nobodies who don't even have the professionalism to disclose their full names or even take decent photos of themselves.

When big exchange ?

>>23759918
Hoping very soon especially now the market is turning.

>>23759965
????

>>23759965
lmao

this whole project been hopes and dreams since 2018

>>23759965
To be fair, the DEX rolled out into private beta only a few weeks after that. I was in one of the early testing groups.
They've made considerable progress since then. The wallet and DEX itself are far more advanced than I ever expected them to be.

>>23761189
Wtf? DEX is working.

2 years is really not alot for a software project.

>>23759791
And vitalik was well known before eth blew up? No

how much do you get from staking 1 masternode?

>>23761590
New thread
>>23762245
On average it's about 9 XSN every 32 hours iirc

These shits can't even figure out eth key management, what the fuck, they had THREE YEARS!?!

>>23762334
>>>23761590
>New thread
Yihooo! I created a new thread, break this up and post there! KYS

>>23762458
ETH privkey integration has been going exceptionally well.
>>23762479
>he doesn't know how bump limits work
reddit is --> that way -->

I have a feeling we're going to see this message for a LONG time.

>>23762581
>ETH privkey integration has been going exceptionally well.
absolutely ZERO proof for this statement.

>>23762603
Even if I had hard evidence, you'd just throw a bitch fit about it like you do everything else.
Remember when you called LN swaps vaporware? Then the DEX itself? Then Raiden? Then BTC/ETH swaps?
Then you spent weeks spamming FUD about low DEX volume?
And now that the DEX volume is seeing 5 figures every 24 hours, you've conveniently cropped it out of your screen grab and moved onto the next thing. "vaporware" >>23762591

You have spent months calling everything vaporware until it comes out and no one should listen to you.

>>23762823
it's true. Progress is being slowly made and it just depends if they follow through on the whole thing.