/biz/ - Business & Finance

some of us gonna make it, peace

voting biden on the third

You ready for tomorrow, bullfrens?

>>23657852
Based.

>>23657864
I'm sorry anon, tommorow definitely will not be green.

>>23657864

buy xiaomi, thank me later

What are we buying after March sale v2 bear bros?

>Blood red tomorrow.
I get another month of furlough bux, so I can buy all the dumps. Recommendations /smg/?

>>23657873
Everything bad was priced in in march. The market crash we saw a few weeks ago was the "second collapse". The stimulus goes through independent of who wins on Tuesday. This is the bottom.

>>23657879
Have sex

>>23657914
AMD

>>23657923
I agree the bottom is close, but most people aren't crazy enough to buy the day before one of the most important presidential elections in history.

>>23657807
I can't exactly force the gym open with my AR
>>23657864
I'm always ready for more
DIP
I
P

>>23657894
They are in a ton of trouble at the moment. Why should it rise?

>>23657920
FB, V, MSFT

>>23657894
Too soon. A better short term investment would be the Chinese fitness industry. My suggestion would be Hiaomi. If you have high liquidity invest in both, but you won't lose much investment in betting in a sector where the Chinese government wants to see a rise as per their 2020 work report.

http://english.www.gov.cn/policies/latestreleases/202010/10/content_WS5f81503ec6d0f7257693d442.html

>>23657942
That's why they'll gain the most.

>>23657968
>They are in a ton of trouble at the moment
they are literally not

whats the best site to look at chink stocks and euro stocks

>>23657973
I don´t see a reason why you should invest in single stocks in China. The only reasonable stocks are BABA and Tencent, rest is absolutely unsafe. Chinks cook their books, fake everything, are super leveraged and their whole economy is super reliant on the export industry... guess what.. we have a global pandemic where the countries go into a shutdown again

The risk of getting burned on a chink stock is way too high imo

>>23657983
I dont know about that anon but good luck. I'm sitting mostly in cash and SPY puts.

>>23658009
stay away from euro stocks, they are absolute shit tier
continue gambling with chink stocks

>>23658038
JD is also fine

>>23658043
He probably just wants to use them as indicators famalam

>>23658043
i just want to watch them i only have money in ge

>>23658038
This might be of no value to you but, I'm a portuguese attorney that specializes in taxation, and from my experience most companies cook their accounting documents - Portuguese, American, German, Chinese, you name it. Just this past week the team, that I'm in, spent a several amount of time dealing with tax inspections in American E&P companies done by the Angolan Tax Authority. Eroding tax bases isn't something necessarily inherent to a nationality but to the game which corporations partake.

>>23658155
>a portuguese attorney
>hanging out in a anime stock trading thread
Always amazes me the people who end up here.

>>23658174
Don't be. I have met several people that work in one of the BIG4 that lurk 4chan since they were kids.

>>23658174
>tfw portuguese accountant
Mostly dealing with coffee shops, hairdressers and such, not big enough to matter. But they all have cooked books as well lmao

>>23658221
Well he at least has to have autism, right?

>>23657970
Not sure about V a lot of anons that hold it complain it's the eternal crab stock. But I'll get FB and (average down) MSFT. Thanks fren.

>>23658221
Based. The Portuguese accounting guild is incredibly based desu. The "OCC" lives on youtube have been an incredible amount of help with this whole COVID-19 tax legislation spam by our government. The law firm I'm in mainly provides services to E&P companies that do fracking in Angola, but we also work with companies from other sectors, i.e., I mainly do Angolan Tax Law, International Tax Law, some American Corporate Income Tax, and European Union Law, in order to do aggressive tax planning. Tax is truly an amazing field.

>>23657835
Current buys
>TQQQ
>MSFT
>V
>NEE
>PLUG
>MCD
>WMT
>MO

This is weird. Is this thread being invaded by the portuguese?

>>23658350
I hope so I baghold PLUG at -3% since entry

>>23658298
I hold MA. And it does not crab. It just dumps. All the time.

I just want others to share my pain.

>>23658360
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the people in /biz/ were from shitholes trying to make a quick buck

>>23657835
>another suicidal faggot thread
Well, I'm out for today.

>>23658174
I'm a tax specialist for hmrc that works predominantly on offshore structures. If you have money, you pay less tax. We can't check everyone and with complex arrangements it takes us years to resolve issues.

>>23657914
Bears are incapable of buying. Most bears aren't waiting for March sale vol2, they're still waiting for the March sale bottom.

>>23658360
>Me after a new bench PR

>>23658375
I could recommend you Royal dutch sh*ll. Guaranteed bleeding on good and bad days.

>>23658420
Bye! See you soon!

>>23657835

RIP BURGERFLIPPERS & MCWAGIES

AHAHAHAHAAH

THIS IS GONNA INCREASE MY MCDIVIDEND NET MARGIN AT HIGHER LVLS

TIME TO PREPARE FOR THE END OF YOUR DEAD END JOB MY FELLOW BASEMENT DWELLING MCKEKWAGIE

LMAOOOOOO

>>23658478
Based.

>>23658478
>mfw I am long on American misery
BASED
THE OLD 'FOLIO
The "Short American Middle Class/Long American Misery aka Fed Approved" Portfolio:
PLTR
MCD
KO
AAPL
DIS
AMZN
PM
WMT
FB
GOOG
AIRB (or whatever ticker AirBNB gets)

Each one a work of art in undermining some aspect of American middle class life.

>>23658421
>offshore structures
Those are way too obvious. The only based tax arrangements are those in which companies use corporate finance to fuck with the Tax Authorities. I'll gladly advise hybrid financial instruments to a client than incorporating his company in an offshore. I don't know how it works in the UK - my experience with the HMRC was very short lived and I had to ask around their input in operations that could be qualified as long hiring of transports for VAT purposes -, but in Portugal, and in most EU countries, we have anti-abuse laws that presume that inbound income from offshores have the nature of tax evasion. Plus, since the Danish conduit cases case law - check the following link: http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf?num=C-115/16 -, the tax authorities in the EU have been starting to presume that EVERY complicated business structure is abusive. Hard times are coming for tax attorneys and for accountants

>>23658520
Begone pesky doomer

>>23658520
is there one for the german (or euro) middle class too?

>>23658565
It just keeps going up. I COOM to the Fed taking big dumps on the American middle class
>>23658569
>is there one for the german (or euro) middle class too
Yea, not having positions in the DAX in the first place.

My HSBC puts will print soon: GB going in full lockdown for a month + peak Corona coinciding with end of transition period

Hi.

>>23658569
We really need to thank police officers for putting up with the scourge that is white women

>>23658569
Maybe Vonovia, the eternal renting jew. A long Berlin XHain misery portfolio would make me feel good as a Swabian.

GMEbros... convince me not sell GME at a loss so I can buy UVXY calls.

the short squeeze is still possible r-right ?

>>23658643
hm makes sense, what about deutsche wohnen?

>>23658654
If you're in it for the squeeze and not because you even remotely believe in the company then you should have already sold

So GME has to pump by mid November right? It just has to..

A lot of 11/20 15c were bought

>>23658740
Hold the fucking phones. You retards legit think GME has a future past this holiday season????

I thought we only bought GME for the squeeze potential or new console release spike. Youre beyond retarded if you think GME will exist in the near future

>>23657973
>search Hiaomi stock
>it doesn't exist

My portfolio could benefit WELL from a massive world war. What are the odds of that happening? (short-medium-long term?)

>>23658772
Yeah I personally think it has a future and that's why I'm holding.

>>23658844
there’s never going to be another world war, and if there is we’ll all be dead before it happens

>>23658844
Under the Dems? good short to mid term

>>23658845
Based retard, have fun with that

>>23658869
Hey maybe it's a retarded plan but I'm not quitting halfway through it, we'll see. NIO negated my current losses mostly anyway

>>23658804
My apologies. The company is called HUAMI. Here's the link: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/HMI/

I THOUGHT THE GME SQUEEZE WAS GONNA BE POST HOLIDAY. NOT THAT BABY SQUEEZE TO$15

>>23658916
I have studied much on pumpNdumpology
GME dumped while you waited for the meme pump.
Also NAK is going sub 0.50.

>>23658916
The squeeze was supposed to be wall street boomer shorting firms getting BTFO from the new console release spikes

>>23658971

>>23658971
Lmao gme retards on suicide watch

>>23658360
what is the story behind this?

>>23658298
MA > V

>>23658772
i tried to warn you about the pumps over the 10xATR 200 hour SMA line. i tried to warn you about the trend line being broken.

no one listened. most of you didn't even take profits on half of your position around $15 like i told you to. you should have listened. maybe you'll learn to respect my meme lines next time. or maybe you'll just continue to lose money and suffer idk lmao

>>23659085
Both are pretty much exactly the same desu.
I have MA simply because I use a Mastercard

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

Oh ho ho man I sure was tired after march, took a little nap, my little bros were making so much noise in the past month the little shitheads I was trying to sleep. Welp guess I'll get up, where are we at.............

mumu spread those fucking cheeks

>>23659103
I think a lot of people did sell though, otherwise there would be way more butthurt about it be back at 11 or whatever it closed at on Friday

>>23658977
Nak will hit 100 if Trump gets elected and they build the mine. Give it 4 years

Ahahaha okay okayyyy, ill give in to you fags and say it once more. Alright ahem, excuse me, it went something like this:

FUCK JANNIES
FUCK CHINA
FUCK TRUMP
FUCK BIDEN
FUCK GME
and.. oh yes.
FUCK JANNIES

thank you very much, it has been a great night everybody

>>23659010
So when is that happening

>>23657864
I'm a bull with long term investments, but I don't think tomorrow is gonna be green. At best we might see a mild negative crab.

I'm thinking we gonna get gutted, alot of people panicing right now.

>>23659189
When they panic, we feast.
You do have cash ready to go, right?

>>23659076
He came from the future to kill Sarah Conor

>>23659139
that would be nice if i actually had some positive effect on some anon's portfolios. i personally sold half at $15 from $10 and told everyone multiple times to do the same. im probably gonna get my other half stopped out at break even on monday though unfortunately, but i still made a nice chunk of change. i'll also probably still buy back in cheaper after the election is over with hopefully Trump as the winner, whether that's immediately or after some contested bullshit, whatever it is, after that is all complete. because i still think the fundamentals are strong at least through 2021 which is as long as i'd give it to short squeeze. hell i'd say even if it doesn't infinity squeeze it'll still likely go back up to at least $15 from wherever it drops to so you can still swing it pretty easily as long as you just remember to take profits on the pumps and move your stop loss up to break even, so you can safely stay in for the memes but even if it fails you still made money. pretty straight forward risk management here in all honesty.

to be fair, technically speaking, it's right around the best place to buy GME. but so are a ton of stocks. under normal circumstances i'd simply buy back my half position at $10. but obviously with the election and no stimulus and potential covid 2nd waves and lockdowns resuming in yurop, these are not normal circumstances. and this, my friends, is why i say you have to combine this with the FA. for the gamblers out there there, feel free to buy around $10.

>>23659217
Yes over 50%, I position correctly as its a larger 6 fig portfolio.

I've not been able to invest any large amounts since about early July.

The danger about them panicking this time is we could see a far slower recovery if the FED and other CB's around the world don't pump as much. Many countries are maxed out on credit at this point.

If we pump hard, I'm trimming exposure to the meme market.

I am 50% in the market,
Monday is gonna fucking suck.
Help me Bros.

>>23657923
the "second collapse" was caused by the soft bank manipulation scandel unless im missing something here.
>https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/04/softbank-reportedly-the-nasdaq-whale-that-bought-billions-in-options.html

>>23659103
> he thinks TA is real

I mean we all knew GME holders were retarded but come the fuck on anon

>>23659269
what's going to happen monday?

>>23659339
You don't know?

>>23659357
no...

>>23659339
Retail sold off last week, institutions sell off this week.

>>23659380
Red is coming chief.

Is now a good time to buy SQQQ?

>>23657860
Voted Biden and straight Dem last week of September.

What is going to happen if the futures will be green pre Monday?

>>23659424
well you know what to do then

>>23657914
Canadian National Railway

Xpeng finna bouta be the Xiaomi of EVs, screencap this post.

Green and crabby until Wed, then we get to 3k next week

>>23659439
Sarcastic asshole....


I like that.


You'll fit in just fine.

>>23659328
i mean you can literally see the graph screenshot yourself, but okay. the key is always going to be combining TA and FA together. the FA in this case being the upcoming election which we all know is going to be a shitshow, you should have seen this coming a mile away and the TA confirmed it, you fucking retard kek

>>23659422
Even if you pick the correct direction, decay is so strong with SQQQ that you might still lose money.

since this is /smg/ and i'm sure you all voted for stocks to pump... what is your favorite thing about Trump?

I'm 75% in the market. Started in July. Am I fucked?

>>23659451
kek they stole from apple and tesla, this might be worth a shot

>>23659485
he's hard on mainland China
that's it really

>what's a moving average?
>what's P/E?
>AAPL
>TSLA
>final destination

>>23659514
we can watch the red burn through our stocks together Anon!

>>23659485
he makes fags and trannies upset

>>23659543
>what do u mean GME has no PE ratio

>>23659514
>Not being all in at all times

How does an yuropoor get into US options?

>>23659546
At least we can shitpost Bogdanoffs, r-right?

>>23659646
Tastyworks
Also stop posting 3D

The only good result is a Trump victory.

Any other scenario is hell on the stock market for the next 3 months.

Guys, honestly. I think half of the US is going to be infected with this virus....

Haloween, Elections,Thanksgiving, Black Friday & Christmas....Gather, gather, gather....

My guess is a liberal state is going to lockdown within 2 weeks. My guess is on Illinois.

Shorts on Oil seems like the safest pick.

Also, money is on Biden getting this virus within 2 weeks. Be prepared.

>>23659657
It is the only thing that means anything in my life.

>>23659567
>>23659538
based

>>23659724
LOl, you're kidding right?

Rich people have cash reserves. Reserves they deployed in the market crash. They've likely 3, 4, 5x'd their money. The super elite, like Bezos have gotten ridiculously wealthy.

The only way to fuck the rich is a surprise Interest rate hike. The stock market is owned by the rich (see pic).

>>23659771
This. Covid crisis only widened the wealth gap

>>23659646
That girl needs to do some leg exercises. Squats would be a good start

ne one else gonna pick up few bags of candies for Halloween clearance cheapies today >:D

>>23659797
We're all little minnows in a ocean of sharks and whales.

>>23659249
So I'm only 5 figure. If you have a steady income source why not just go crazy at the bottom to get some real deals, and just continue to work as the market slowly recovers?
It's not our money is making any progress on savings accounts....
Please give me some advice. I got 50k in savings and 50k in my stock account

>>23659646
Trading212

>>23659724
>>23659771
>>23659857
I'd love it if Trump were waging a war on the elite and wealthy on behalf of the little man, but it's a fantasy

wtf i love deflation now

>>23659724
>stock crash
What crash?

>>23659921
it only dropped 11% in span of 3 days no big deal imme rite?

>>23659921
>03/08/20

>>23659822
>girl
hmmm r u sure

>>23659898
CFDs =/= Options

>>23659944
Ladyboy. My bad

>>23659866
If you want to be rich, buy calls when fed starts QE. Seems like that worked before.

Otherwise, SPY/TQQQ in calmer environments.


Right now...Cash is king.

>>23659921
also, what does /smg/ think of how it took roughly 15 years for the nasdaq to recover from the dot com bubble burst? (considering everyone believes we're currently in dot com bubble 2.0)? considering the buy and hold strategies commonly employed?

would you have really held for 15 years just to get to break even back then? would you, now?

>>23658155
I am Big 4 accountant. You can't "cook the books" in publicly traded countries like they do in China. You will eventually get caught/pay massive fine.

>>23659932
It's a big deal for those who bought the top of this ridiculous bubble. The super rich Jews bought into the market in the 17th century.

>>23659831
Lol, GLUTTONYYYYYY

>>23659684
>Any other scenario is hell on the stock market for the next 3 months
Within the market there will be winners and losers just as there were earlier in the year.
Do lockdowns and covid fears affect AMZN and DAL the same way?
Position yourself to take advantage of it like you mentioned with oil and it shouldn't be a concern.

>>23659866
>why not just go crazy at the bottom to get some real deals
Great idea anon! Tell me, where exactly is the bottom?

>>23659966
>buy calls when fed starts QE
You're aware the Fed is still adding to the balance sheet even now right?

>>23659975
Well....If stock market crashes, everything crashes.

Gold, silver, bitcoin...everything except cash.

Only thing to do is have protective PUTS ready to deploy on your own stocks.

>>23659980
what's a big 4? is it like big 5?

>>23658038
institutional trader here
it's a nice hedge and diversification for US/European fund managers, especially through the election season and Brexit. You don't want too much exposure because of the sensitive relationship between US & China but getting in at the right time with the right size can lead to some great returns.

>>23660004
so buying bags of stocks fine but buying bags of candy = sin

HYPOCRITE

>>23660009
>Do lockdowns and covid fears affect AMZN and DAL the same way?

At first, yes. Just as how when Europe started locking down last week, everything dropped.

Then as days go by, AMZN will recover, DAL won't.

>You're aware the Fed is still adding to the balance sheet even now right?

Yes. But nowhere near the rate in March. They need to up their balance sheet to 10 trillion.

>>23660004
I feel asleep on Haloween 2pm to 10pm....Have 700 pieces of candy I need to get rid of....shit

>>23660050
so yes, if you don't see any value in it for your own portfolio, you don't need to buy it
BABA is fine for exposure to China/upcoming Ant Group IPO

>>23660010
i still don't understand how this works in practice. it seems too good to be true that you can just buy stock and also immediately buy puts at the same price and now you suddenly have a risk-free trade, don't you get fucked by premiums? aren't you just constantly losing money for all of the times where price doesn't move on high volatility in one direction or another?

>>23660050
Thoughts on NIO?

Bullish on any particular

>>23659910
Fuck Walmart

>>23658350
>TQQQ

maybe if you want to lose 50% very quickly

>>23660069
>don't you get fucked by premiums?
Yes, in the sense that you're getting "fucked" by paying for the protection that puts offer. It's kind of like insurance. You're paying for something that you hope to never use, but when you need it, it pays back way more than you put into it.

If you don't think that the market will crash enough to make paying for the premiums worth it, don't buy puts. I never have, I just put in trailing stop loss orders.

>>23658520
PM only sells outside the US senpai

DIP BUYER GANG REPRESENT
D B G

You say "market crash" we say "bargain"

>>23659980
Just because you can't cook the books like they do it doesn't mean we don't cooks the books. Besides, I'm pretty sure when applying any IFRS rule there's a lot of space to interpret any given operation. This is especially the case when dealing with hybrid financial instruments. Obviously, their stock market has a lesser degree of regulation.

>>23659543
more accurate would be a 3k account going to 1k

for here at least

>>23660080
NIO + XPENG + LI AUTO

>UK locks down again

>>23660151
Pussy soaked Chad fingers typed this

Debating whether to wait until 2-3 days after the election to put my money in or pick up some cheapies now.

I was really lucky on withdrawing my money on the first red day we had just based on intuition.

>>23660069
it's insurance

when you expect something to go up or down like 10% or crazier through something big like earnings or election day, then it caps your losses
heck, SPY married puts to Jan 2021 are "only" like a ~6% premium and in hindsight that would have been a very reasonable hedge when SPY has dipped like 10% already since mid-October and it's still a bit uncertain next week

also it doesn't have to be married puts, you can just buy OTM puts too just to protect your gains to a more loose manner

>>23660174
Thanks.

Going long on Alibaba/NIO soon.

>>23660113
exactly, i just use proper risk management and position sizing with stocks only. options have never seemed worth it to me and way too complicated to figure out the risk/reward involved, and i've also been turned off from them because of all of the WSB memes and loss porn when dumbasses use them as leverage, not insurance.

i only trade 2 ways: pure TA with pre defined risk/reward day trading, or DCA'ing on objectively defined dips on stocks that are fundamentally strong during times where the world isn't insane (a.k.a. now), scaling in and scaling out of them. those i don't have stop losses on, i just keep track of the FA and world news to know if a habbening is happening or not, and split up my money enough that i can buy more if it goes down more.

>>23660191
The economic bear market that has continued unceasingly since 2009 will keep on trucking no matter the orange tint of the boomer that gets elected.
it is more lucrative to put money on pieces of paper that correspond to businesses that you can easily take out than it is to actually lend money to these companies in the first place.
Investors are the ultimate bagholders of the Nu-Market. Buy the dip here, ignore the FUD.
There is one constant now: shrinking american middle class. And the market is the BEST way to inverse it.

>>23660208
No worries. If you're investing in the chinese stock market don't take my words/SMG's arguments for granted. Check the chinese news for yourself

>>23660198
>when you expect something to go up or down like 10% or crazier through something big like earnings or election day, then it caps your losses

the problem i have with this is that from what i understand, options are where the "smart money" is and they are very good at pricing options fairly. that is, if you expect a 10% crazy drop or something to go down, the MM's probably already priced that in and that will be reflected in higher premiums that make up for that, which i guess is related to the movements of the VIX. you're basically assuming you can outsmart the smartest people on wall st in that case, which is rare.

>>23660191
There's a decent chance at a relief rally at first.

Trump wins = bull train. Trump will discourage lockdowns (might still happen) and will initiate stimulus fastest.

Biden wins = Trump lame duck, Trump likely not to care what happens from here to January. Lockdowns will still happen. Hedge funds will sell in December to lock in Capital gains tax under Trump's plan....Therefore Nov-Jan will be hell.

Then Feb-June will be greener than grass in April as Biden pumps in a 3-4 trillion dollar stimulus.

At least that's my thesis....

>>23660260
Seems like US is fucked in the next decade.

China is just efficient in nearly all aspects and growing exponentially.

>>23660261
>outsmart the smartest people
The better analogy is beat the casino.

>Paris has seen hundreds of miles of traffic jams as people tried to leave the city ahead of France's new national lockdown

this should be fun to watch this winter

>>23660261
*also these "smart wall street people" are often asleep at the wheel. Robots are doing the market making now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3YNecdqIH0

>>23660261
i dont get what part of insurance you dont understand, no one is trying to outsmart anyone
options were created in the first place as a way to hedge
you're not putting all your money into puts, you're only buying enough to hedge your position

think about it if you wanted to dump $500K into the market at once, do you want to get fucked by timing or some uncertainty in the market (e.g. US-China geopolitics risk) because you bought in the wrong week? Or are you going to buy like $25K in long-dated puts to hedge your position so your losses will be capped during that period?

Keep in mind that the premiums on these puts are expensive in the first place precisely because the market is incredibly volatile as shit, that even large companies can go down 10 to 20% overnight
SPY puts to Jan 2021 are "expensive" nowadays because it's unthinkable in calmer times that SPY could even dip 10% within a couple weeks

if you're a small player with only like 5 figures or even 6 figures, then yeah you probably don't have to worry about hedging and just use stop losses. Bigger players cannot do this because they CANNOT unload instantly without causing a flash crash or something

>>23660324
Might be. I'm just betting that it is. Covid-19 fucked the entire western world and we didn't do shit. Chinese exceptionalism is the future

>>23660400
>Bigger players cannot do this because they CANNOT unload instantly without causing a flash crash or something

this actually makes a lot of sense and the only part of your post that actually mattered in the end. options are insurance for whales, essentially, because they can't dump on a stop loss without major slippage and probably an investigation from the SEC depending on how big they are.

Whatever happens tomorrow remember that a couple of trillions are coming after election.

>>23660453
Based Chinese Anon.

Moving onto USPS contract.

I'm betting it's going to be 50/50 Oshkosh/WKHS.

Keep your eyes on these 2.

USPS contract likely given after they receive funding from stimulus.

>>23660324
>believing the Chinese

most of their economic data is a lie. some we've discovered, many we probably haven't discovered yet. they're also soulless assholes with no empathy. if they somehow "beat" the US, the world is unironically fucked. literally think nazi germany but instead of hitler you have xi jinping, instead of 66 million people you have 1.39 billion, and instead of aryans you have the han mandarin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZfBQ8rxBH4

i repeat you REALLY don't want China to win at the end of the day. they're like the jews but worse because there are over a billion of them.

>>23660548
>USPS contract likely given after they receive funding from stimulus.
So in other words sometime next year after the election/any possible unrest relating to it is done and settled

>>23660548
wasnt it all going to wkhs at some point? now its split? soon it wont get anything? lol

>>23660579
>most of their economic data is a lie.
What country isn't lying about this?

people are voting for biden because he said he would make a stimulus bigger than trump's, why hasn't trump outflanked him on this yet?

>>23658478
They're still accepting funding.

https://www.seedinvest.com/miso.robotics/series.c?utm_source=misolandingpage&utm_medium=referral

>>23660640
the virus and virus response likely crushed trump

ironically its being shown that the "beloved" and "smarter" EU is having a massive 2nd wave also

now we will hear how "the EUs 2nd wave doesnt excuse trumps response"

conclusion: the virus cannot be contained. deaths are coming.

>>23657835
im 100% in cash... when is a good time to buy in during the Biden depression? 3rd year in?

>>23659975
>would you have really held for 15 years just to get to break even back then? would you, now?

>>23660548
>Jan 15 2016
A lot can change in 4 years

>>23660617
the chinese economy in particular is extremely opaque, this is common knowledge i shouldn't have to explain this to you, but here are two common examples.

>>23660538
Bears will miss their exit again and we can keep buying the dip

>>23660640
it doesn't matter what the president does or who he is, any standing president with what happened this year would lose an election, no matter what their stances or party platforms are, people will always blame the consequences of events on their highest leader, whether or not it's deserved is another topic

>>23660579
I know they're assholes and lack empathy. That's what's going to make them the future #1 power as well.

At the end of the day, we all should of seen this coming. Look at US culture these days. Absolute shit. When US children dream of being YouTube stars while Chinese students focus on math and science...Check your local walmart at 1am to confirm US decline.

>>23660699
>keep buying the dip
You'll eventually run out of money.

>>23660712
I kept buying g dips and it kept going down

>>23657920
Automatic Money Deposit (AMD)

>>23657835
kpop fag is gonna make so muhc money on nov 12

>>23660640
It's better to spread it out, pass a $2 trillion stimulus now and pass another one in 2022-2023 if needed

>>23660704
>this thing is the peak of what zoomers find attractive and talented

>>23660586
>>23660612
>>23660691

USPS waiting on 25 billion from stimulus.

Likely to allocate some of that to new vehicles.

It's not smart for any company to use just 1 fuel source.

On the other hand, USPS keeps spouting "New Technology" when it comes to this contract. So it means Workhorse will get SOME of the contract.

Split contract seems like the way it'll go. 50/50, 66/33, 75/25. Likely Oshkosh/WKHS. It's a good idea to buy calls on both of them on huge dips.

>Protesters against COVID-19 restrictions clash with police in Spanish cities

>>23657920
>/smg/ predicts blood red tomorrow
So it's going to gap up like 2%.

>>23660712
How could you possibly run out of money when covered calls will always expire worthless if it keeps dipping?

>>23660473
puts are still a good idea if you dont wanna try outsmarting the market with your own godly timing
a put that cost you 10% in premiums and a stop loss 10% behind both have their pros and cons. The former lets you not give a shit about timing during a volatile period, but of course it's only for that time period. The latter fucks you over if the pick goes down more than 10% afterhours before you can react, or if it triggers for you then whipsaws back more than 10% the next day.

I think we can all agree that protective puts would have been smart *in hindsight* the past week. You wouldn't have to worry about buying back in because of greed, you still have your position and you're already hedged so you're not worried about timing

they're also good for hedging your own puts/calls that you write and sell to other people. Like having a deeper OTM put just in case the company was actually Wirecard (extreme black swan scenario)

So how's that scientifically-backed European lockdown working over there lads?

>>23660788
i dont have any wkhs. but i dont see why they would get anything. seems to be getting worse for them and the stock reflects that. glta.

>>23660785
You wouldn't want to fuck this?

We going to be green next week FYI, buy puts Wed and after

https://butlerradio.com/ak-steel-front-and-center-at-trump-rally/

Buy CLF

TQQQ will be less than $100 EOW

AAPL is still overpriced.

>>23660823
*of course if you had protective puts
there's always the option of selling them at a massive profit if you think you've already reached the "bottom", you dont have to let them expire worthless or only cash them out on its intrinsic value

i wish i had protective puts but I got greedy and totally underestimated the panic election period would give. I still think this is silly because even if Biden wins and there's the chaos of switching government, he's probably going to announce a huge stimulus anyways in the short term

>>23660856
>buy CLF as the global economy implodes
idk

>>23660856
>>23660856
>>23660856

>>23660860
How do I figure this out for stocks

>>23660826
WKHS dropped thanks to Roth Capital manipulation.

They stated the Contract would be announced mid-october...only to be told by USPS PR that they haven't decided yet...

The next possible contract decision is before years end.

If they get all of the contract (best case), there will be a run up to 45+.

If they get half, 30+

None = $5.

>>23660873

You must not have read the article

AK Steel is a wholly owned subsidiary of Cliffs. Clf ceo said he will close that plant unless they get rid of loop hole. 212 will save a shit ton of jobs. Aks steel is the last company to make the parts for electric grid.

So it is interesting to know trump said we saved these 1400 jobs. Expect CLF to go to 10 this week

>>23660890
You can look at historical price/earnings, price/book, price/sales.

Just posting this here anons. Don't fall it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghbkv0MKV-w

>>23660823
at the end of the day i feel like the smartest thing is to understand the TA and the FA and plan accordingly. because i know about the world events going on currently (lockdowns, election, etc, you know already), i liquidated my shit near the top a couple of weeks ago (around 10xATR above the 200 hour MA is still great). im technically around the level i'd like to start buying again (10x below), but because of the FA im gonna wait in case there is a covid-style crash which negates my TA. now i just stick to day trading with stop losses while i wait.

like, instead of buying insurance i'd rather just do my DD and plan my position sizing accordingly. understand that this year is a massive outlier, most years are not as crazy as this one, it's important to remember that this year is not "normal" by any means. when things return to the mean on a global scale, i'll go back to using my strategy and doing just fine with it. if i get lucky things will crash again like with covid and i'll actually be able to take advantage of buying the bottom this time (10xATR below the DAILY 200 MA, go ahead and look at it yourself if you don't believe it's ability to roughly call the bottom) for a long term hodl.

looking at CLF right now, thanks for the great short idea lads

>>23660917
Here's AAPL's ridiculous price/book value.

>>23660856
>>23660877
What say you?

>>23660648
Never actually done anything with seedinvest but might throw 200 at this

>>23660862
the big worry isn't biden winning, it's a "contested election". the safest move right now is to just wait on the sidelines, maybe day trade if you're in to that (but not accepting overnight risk), and wait for the dust to settle, then buy the dip when things start recovering.

>>23660908
you must not know what an imploding global economy will do to CLF shares

>>23660932
In context

>>23660928
>>23660935

That article is automatically generated rubbish.

Let's see.. Cleveland Cliffs

2 M&A done this year emerging from the pandemic even stronger than before
3b mkt cap
Potential revenue sitting at 20-24b
Trump tariffs and 212
Infrastructure bills coming

I'm expecting a 15x from here with my options

>>23660712
Yes. But till then I will wave the flag of dip buying for all to see.

>>23658174
I mean I'm an engineer for Johnson and Johnson, and I've written protocols that go before the FDA. I've also lurked on 4chan since I was in high school. I'm almost 30.

>>23660978
>economics
what site is this

>>23660926
trimming a position during uncertain times is perfectly viable too
not for greedy degenerates though, there's definitely going to be some opportunity here and gamblers with 4-figure or lower 5-figure portfolios (like most people here) can afford to gamble their entire portfolio and still recover from it

2020's volatility has been a huge opportunity for a bunch of lucky retards to get a jump start into 6-figure territory, without needing to get into the high risk of using options trading like a lotto

Then eventually, once we've all made it, we start selling premiums to lotto retards

>>23660667
>Deaths are coming

Lmao ok senpai wake me up when they get here. Man doomers really are the cringiest.

>>23660860
AAPL should be at 70 desu.
The only reason I even care about Apple is because them crashing will pull down all the other tech stocks

>>23660983
lmao wow good job you deposited money into RH and made average gains from it using options
my short thesis just got stronger

>>23660966

Impending doom? Invest in companies with a century of iron yet to be mined in the ground. Invest in companies that done 2 M&A this year. Invest in CLF

>>23660835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSPuRXkUWoU

>>23660997
it's finviz, it's in the OP post

does anyone ever use the OP links wtf

>>23661006
do you not have google?

what about T?
hit 26 in march now back down to 27

>>23661015

>average gains
>6 figures in a month

All you had to do was buy CLF

>>23661031
Wow you must be some kind of genius savant to find this kind of opportunity when nobody else did! And you're using options on Robinhood!

>>23661018
but CLF shares are headed lower so i dont want to buy them. thanks though.

>>23660978
>most of the market is absurdly overpriced

kek, won't stop me from raking in the cash from it going up regardless, though. must feel shitty screaming "IT'S OVERPRICED IT'S OVERPRICED!!!" and it keeps going up, eh anon?

>>23660835
She fucks niggs.

>>23660154
Definitely a difference between "cooking the books" which is fraud and aggressive accounting positions.

arent lockdowns and shit good? the bull run in april was fucking insane

>>23661080
stimulus effect lasts about six months.

>>23661080
the market took off when cases/deaths topped out. when hospitals werent overwhelmed, etc.

this last surge caught people off guard for some reason. i think they thought the EU had everything under control. but you cant contain corona.

>>23661048
Bitter

>>23661056
I'm balls deep in AMD and AMZN. You're arguing with the wrong person.
The point was that AAPL's P/B is high even in context with other 'overpriced' tech.

>>23661022
not even when people tell me to

>>23661048
He's also really talented at thread splitting and spamming his position so much that everyone in here regularly can recognize him immediately.

>>23661108
this proves rural areas are absolutely fucking useless. its the only place where people can work and shit and the eocnomy still tanks like nothings happening.

fuck anyone who moves here

>>23661002
all depends on your risk tolerance and strategy, but yeah. it's best not to take the risk on massive world news events though, and i speak from experience. once with a biotech position that i got out with a small profit on but i had to hold for half a year and being down over 30% on ALL of my money (5 figs) because of the US-China trade war (tariffs on $300b chinese goods, remember? i thought it should have nothing to do with my biotech that made hemophilia drugs but boy was i fucking wrong), and then with the covid crash where i had a position in AMD that was up thousands of dollars, i thought "it's up so much i can just long term hodl now, yay!" and got out slightly above break-even.

not making that mistake again. remember boys and girls: if the VIX hits 80+ it's time to buy. look at the VIX during the covid crash or 2008 if you don't believe me. probably won't happen ever again but just something to keep in mind if you missed buying the bottom in march (like i did because i didn't know this at the time, fml)

>>23661056
It depends on what your time frame is. If you want to buy and hold for decades buying now is retarded. If you just want to swing trade, then you can play at the casino and win.

>>23661025
You jerk off to sissy-hypno I bet.

Do I buy more FNGU????????

>>23661179
This guy says buy FNGU/TQQQ this week.

>>23661132
>and then with the covid crash where i had a position in AMD that was up thousands of dollars
bruh what
AMD was going to be fine

TSM and AMD fundamentals didn't change through covid, in fact it only got stronger

dude

>>23660579
>lie about economic growth for decades
>nobody punishes you for it
There's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with investing in the Chinese. I only care about making money, fuck all of you moralists lmao

>>23661189
Yeah, I mean...I already have 100 MSFT, 100 AAPL but I feel like I need to get 50 more FNGU, that's what it feels like, man. Sometime it do be like it be.

>>23661235
Buy FNGU when stimulus happens.

SQQQ Calls are a better bet until then.

Also that black guy is Billie Eilish's type.

>>23660995
any insider info you'd like to share so we can make some fucking money?

What would this nigger invest in?

>>23660548
I'm not Chinese. I'm the Portuguese attorney that previously posted.

is predicting the crash by looking at the march crash an accurate way or is it just going to be shit and no one knows how shit?

>>23661194
weed

>>23661277

I just learned about straddles. Why the fuck would anyone be dumb enough to sell naked calls? This strategy seems like the cardinal sin of options writing.

>>23660995
Similar story here.

>>23660579
>Americans bully the rest of the world
>Get mad when they realise their bully times are ending
Why should I care about the chinese ruling the world? It's america who fucked Europe.

>>23661315
EYE and BAL

>>23661319
Pro-Chinese anon**

>>23661354
The fact that BAL is a cotton index is GOLD

XD

>pictures of giant protests in philly this week

thats how rona is spread

>>23661403
america is absolutely fucked. the chart never went down or anything we just have non stop deaths

VXX, UVXY gang where you at?

>>23661415
yeah this winter will be..... amazing in a bad way

>He bought calls on SPXS for the election? Go ahead and pump SPY.

i hate TESLA so much bro's, i wake up filled with rage at all these onions idiots who earned more money then me. And it's a fucking bubble, yet they are going to keep pumping it. Fuck it makes me mad

>>23661403
And Halloween.
And the election.
And Thanksgiving.
And Black Friday.
And Christmas.
And New Year's.

>>23661364
Well, kind of. I just feel like they're a culture that we could all learn a few things from.

>>23661112
sure, but my main point is that those sort of "fundamental" stats are often useless and contradictory. i've been trading AMD for a long time now and i've been reading bears on stocktwits calling it overpriced the whole time, and it more than fucking doubled in price from the price it was at BEFORE the covid crash ffs. i just feel like at the end of the day P/B or P/E or whatever you want to look at is fairly useless.

much better to look at debt/cash burn and innovation i'd say. market is forward looking, after all.

>>23661192
it's easy to say in hindsight. at the very least i wasn't willing to let a massively winning trade turn into a loser. i didn't know as much back then as i do now though, unfortunately, but i'll be ready for whenever it happens next time (and i think we all know, capitalism will always have boom and bust cycles, it's only a matter of time). if you look at the AMD chart i basically bought in to the dump after that earnings which then dumped due to covid if you want to see what sorta percentage we're talking here. felt bad because i wanted to be one of the people who bought AMD low and could just hodl it for 30 years or something, like it couldn't possibly drop that much again, but i was wrong because, again, world events will fuck any and every company regardless of their personal fundamentals. taught me a lot so i can't complain.

>>23661231
as many people here will agree: you're free to do so, and it can be very profitable, but you're playing with fire. upside can be nice but if you pick one of the ones that gets "found out" you could lose everything you put into it.

>>23661437
all sorts of stuff. i think we had some full football stadiums. movie theaters are open for no reason.

etc.

>>23661351
chinese are just yellow nigs

>>23661435
bro...

gme and snap

>>23661458
And viruses survive longer in cold, dry climates.
And lack of Vitamin D (less sunlight in Winter) makes respiratory infections worse.

>>23661351
classic yuropoor response. completely ignorant about what you're talking about while still somehow maintaining an air of smugness and false sense of superiority.

>>23661468
they're yellow jews. at least their government is.

>>23661441
From others I've heard. It's the same.

Extreme lack of empathy. Selfish. Worst tourists

I'll skip on their dietary habits.

>>23659158
Mid November

>>23661488
ive noticed every EVERY european cant stop talking about america. theyre so fucking jealous. every european i talk to online either talks about wanting to go to america and getting married to move there or they just look for any reason to hate on america.

the entire time ive been on the internet ive seen europeans EVERYWHERE that look for any reason to shit talk america any chance they get. they will do this for life.

>>23661474
Pintrest, NIO, GME, WKHS, Oshkosh are my favorite plays...waiting for elections for clearer picture.

>>23661488
Yeah you guys sure helped my country a lot during WW2 dropping bombs on our factories to make sure we didn't recover fast.

>>23658740

You never buy a boomer stocks waiting for a gamma squeeze

Institutions short these to the ground. GME pump was a meme

>>23661514
rent free lol. the euros seethe 24/7 about america because they know their day has past. europe has not been relevant since 1945. they cope by saying 'muh chinese century', but here we are in 2020, and china's not even close lmao.

should i get corona at my local movie theater to watch Monsters Inc on the big screen?

>>23661500
I could say the same about Americans. I have met good people and bad people on both sides. Listen, I don't have the pretense to defend or to attack any of those two cultures. I'm here to make money. Nothing personal.

>>23659771

Rich people arent deploying shit till dow is below 20k

Nothing is cheap right now. Its all nosebleed valuations

NeW ?_?

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>>23661542

CAR

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>>23661514
We aren't jealous and I don't know anyone who wants to move to your country, even less seeing how bad things are getting on your country.
Sorry but you're not the center of the world, neither the Chinese. Nobody gives a fuck about others.

>>23661544
bro i see people going on planes, in big cities, and going out to eat and shit with no corona

>>23661577
>no corona

>>23661435
If you look closely at any FAANG or any stay at home stocks, you'll see that they look exactly like pic related. I'm not fucking joking, mate. I'm 75% in the market because muh low interest rates, muh trillions printing machine, but it honestly looks very grim

>>23661543
You're becoming irrelevant USA. Mad? Europe is trying to get rid of your big tech bullshit, oil is dying fast and your country and currency will implode this winter

>>23661525
blame the nips, i too wish you frenchies spoke german right now.

>>23660953

The thing is

Even a trump landslide is going to be contested

The left is gonna burn the streets and blame Russia or something

>>23661613
Neither nips nor germans fucked my country. USA did.

>>23661588
Stuff like MSFT or FB grows 20% a year. Of course these lines look like exponential boom phases.

>>23661664
there's an endpoint

>>23661645
you surrendered to the nazis, you got what you deserved. next time maybe fight a little harder.

>>23657873
Green in the am then red

>>23661687
When the growth stops
But so far these companies boom ahead. Except Apple and some others but Apple is more consumer electronics and stuff anyways.

>>23661231
wasnt that always IBMs logo before it was a faggot thing

>>23661755
>leaning against the glass
This gives me anxiety

>>23661693
Cuck philosemite cope

>>23659103
I listened, you saved me from losing 3k in unrealized gains.

>>23661588
FeAR