/biz/ - Business & Finance

>how the fuck does anyone make money here?
they don't and they feel good about it because money is evil

Germans have been neutered and conditioned for 75 years. I am afraid they are too far gone at this point.

>>22803669
>engineer friends make 2,000 euro net
What the fuck? Thats 28k a year in burgerbucks. Do they have entry-level positions or something?

Don't know, I come to Germany occassioanly and you krauts look happy, but the amount of refugees in Phorzeim is scary

>>22803669
what is the ss ponzi scheme?

>>22803669
You revive hitler.

>>22803730
My link stack is my only way out

>>22803764
>entry level engineering
that would pay you about 1300

>>22803790
Move to Portugal and cash out your crypto tax free.

>>22803790
Hallo, FA hier :)
Bitte teilen Sie uns mit wieviel Kettenglied Sie haben, danke.

>>22803669
That is completely fucked. You need to move to the UK or somewhere.

>>22803669
god damnit why the fuck do the greenfags hate nuclear so much, it's the best we have against climate change and a good way to stay green
MAN FUCK THEM, if it takes me one YouTube video to figure that out why can't they?!
how is every fucking party shit at one thing but good at another
why can't there be a party that combines all the good things !

>>22803669
>crypto is tax free after one year

>>22803797
Jesus christ, even in states with the highest income tax it's not that bad.

>>22803827

Green energy isn't about saving the planet but for political agenda. Can't purpose rational and working solutions. Nuclear = evil.

>>22803669
Bulgarian here.
I unironically intend to retire in Bavaria once I make $2M-$3M in Bulgaria.
Takes westerners a while to figure out that socialism means that the middle class is raped in order to provide for the rich. Welfare is just another luxury for the rich - it lowers crime by poorfags and is paid by wagies.

>>22803861
we should make our own party

This is why the "class mobility" meme is so retarded. They talk about how in Germany you can move from 20th percentile to 80th percentile income much easier, but it's like the difference between 18k/yr post-tax versus 28k/yr, whereas in America it's the difference between 18k/yr post-tax versus 45k/yr. An assistant professor at a low-tier state college in America gets paid more than the director of a world-class research facility in Germany.

>>22803880
>2-3 mill
>bavaria
so you want to end up on the street halfway through your retirement?

>>22803880
>I unironically intend to retire in Bavaria once I make $2M-$3M in Bulgaria.
if youre poor you get free housing, free food, free gibs, free health insurance, free everything
if youre rich you pay the same taxes like somebody making 40-50k a year
if youre middle class you get fucked
I HATE THIS SOCIALIST HELLHOLE!

>>22803669
I live in Putler Empire where minimal wage is about 180$ and ur beloved engineer friends would make at best 700$ here so STFU

>>22803855
nothing to do with taxes, what is cost of living etc.

its like comparing polish pays with germans, or germans with switzerland pays and wondering why they are higher

>>22803884
No, instead of caring about politics like a dirty plebeian you should care about making as much money as possible and leave this shithole.

>>22803880
why would you retire to somewhere more expensive where you currently are, makes no sense

>>22803898
>so you want to end up on the street halfway through your retirement?
I have no expenses whatsoever. Once every few years I buy an expensive mac to compose music on - then I only need housing and food. 2-3m euros is sufficient if you don't want to keep up with the Joneses.
>>22803904
This guy gets it.
Sweden has the same wealth inequality as the states, despite the fact that it has next to no income inequality.
What does that tell you ... it literally means it's impossible to start with nothing and make it in socialism. Socialism is a luxury for the rich, who remain rich, while wagies pay for their lunch.
The right term is "oligarchy".

>>22803669
>>politicians debating additional meat tax
Not just that, the super markets and discounters are looking to print the "true price" for le climate on their their grocery products.

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/59659/4694141

The next step will obviously be to pay the "true price" or ban products.

This is actually an interesting example of how governments and corporations merge. I think it was in January or February when Merkel and Klöckner said food should be more expensive. Some time after that, Merkel invited representatives from the major grocery store chains. Now, they're probably all coming out with these new prices.

That's public-private partnerships in Agenda 21, and one of the reasons everybody is happy to kill off the small companies and consolidate power in the large corporations so they can be used to rule through them.

>>22803669
and they're going to give everyone basic income in the foreseeable future, probably raising taxes even more to compensate

all in all the pervading idea is that everyone sinks to the bottom as if pulled down there by a gigantic magnet and your average normie is programmed to always do what is easiest for them (extreme egotism) - and not complaining in a PC culture is easiest, so they just endure and die out rather than complain. middle class quickly disappearing as even highly qualified people can't afford things that were thought of as basic not so long ago.

tick, tock. it's clearly a race now: somehow make it and become ridiculously rich or become stuck in the brownish masses - reality TV, unemployment, screaming neighbors, burkas, niglets everywhere, normalization of sexual perversion, garbage on the street (everything used to be perfectly clean, i remember that) and enforced PC culture on top of it all.
i watched TV the other day at someone elses apartment (i never watch TV) and there are sex toy ads in the middle of the day on a goddamn sunday in prime TV now.
the future will be literal heaven for the few billionaires on earth, they will live in incomprehensible (and i mean that) joy and ecstasy. the sad thing is that there will be absolutely nothing inbetween the nexus (star trek) and a kalkutta-like slum.

don't complain (that will put you on a list) and don't forget to wear your cuckmask 24/7, after all we're in this together!

>>22803936
>why would you retire to somewhere more expensive where you currently are, makes no sense
Because once you're financially independent it's not more expensive.
Instead of paying for a gated community in a cheaper country, wagies pay for your police.
Instead of paying for private schooling, wagies pay for higher quality public schools.
Instead of paying for private health insurance, wagies pay for higher quality public one. And if you need something urgent, then you pay it once, it sucks but it's probably cheaper than the cheaper country.
The list goes on.
Every "good" that socialism brings is paid 100% by wagies and used by everyone. The rich get a nice deal at the end of it all.

>>22803772
Basicly social security is doomed, because the government can borrow money from it and never pay it back. Then they need the new working class to pay off the old working class

>>22803952
>Merkel and Klöckner said food should be more expensive
What the fuck? I don't understand.

>>22803950
this is absolutely insane
groceries are already up 10% fom last year
some burger on /fit/ told me they pay a third of what I pay for chicken thighs
and now they want to jack up prices another 30-50%
WHAT THE FUCK?!?
I was ready to escape thsi shithole. had a US work visa and job lined up, literally three days before my escape flight they shut everything down for muh corona. I cant take this anymore, somebody kill me please.

>>22803979
Oh my god, just like in the rest of fucking europe!

>>22803669
Du hast keine Krankenversicherung? BAHAHAHHAHAHA das ist nicht mal erlaubt in Germoney

>>22803669
>how the fuck are you supposed to make money here?
LOL you're not. You're supposed to be kept to your limit of subsistence and be happy that there's that "social net" to catch you and take care of you.
I lived in that shithole for five years. Then moved to NZ with a 30% pay cut, which translated to almost twice as much money in the bank every month after taxes/mortgage/living expenses. Germany is a complete fucking joke.

>>22803669
The taxation system in Germany is already so high that it's clearly not designed to generate maximum revenue, but to impoverish the German people.

From the perspective of Merkel etc, if it forces people to become dependent on the social system, as you likely will if you lose your job, so much the better. Once you are dependent on them you lose much of the little freedom that you still had. If you are dependent on the social system, now they can tell you where you can live how long you can go on vacation which vaccines you need to take, you lose any choices in the schooling of your children.

Some ideas on how to save money:
* See if you can telecommute. If you can spend most of your time in Eastern Europe, you will could pay a lot less in taxes, rent, and groceries. Eastern Germany has much lower rent prices, even if same taxes.
* Take your expenses to the bare minimum
* In Germany you don't have to pay income taxes if you own an asset for more than a year before you sell it. See if you can find a way of making money that takes advantage of this situation.
* don't get a car. or if you do live in it.

>>22804005
you replied to the wrong guy, but politicians are nothing but representatives taking the blame for the actions of the ruling elite (giving the agenda a face that normies can get wrongfully blame).
virtually everything they do on a national scale furthers the disappearance of the middle class, the corruption of virtues and normalizes sins in its various forms.
healthy food is necessary in order to function well, so of course it gets attacked. also everyone has to spend money on it, so the amount gets increased.

(1) people need to spend more money on food => less money to make it out of the lower class
(2) they function worse when they eat shitty food => less chance to make it out, easier to control
(3) health-craze (completely artificial because people just used to be healthy w/o effort) keeps people occupied and separates them further (divide&conquer, just look at how hostile vegans and other indoctrinates are towards normal people)

>>22804055
you dont have to have health insurance if youre self-employed (yet). although they want to close that loophole too
I havent had health insurance since 2016, saved me probably 25k euro at least. the only expense I had in that time is 1,300 euro to get a cavity filled, so Im well ahead. if something bigger comes up I have an "anwartschaft" to join a private healht insurance. the public health insurance is complete garbage by the way. you wait months for a doctors appointment. whenever I tell them I pay myself I literally get a spot within a couple of days.

>>22804055
Ja wir müssen wegen denen ihrer nazi methoden ja 500 pflichtversicherungen haben

>>22803974
sure but you still will pay a fourth of your retirement money on a place to live alone, even in bumfuck nowhere in bavaria and thats just for purchase, running costs for your house or whatever are not paid by wagies but yourself, and they will probably find a way to tax you on your retirement money too

>>22804081
This 1 year holding loophole is only for Crypto atm, not for Stocks

>>22803669
it's your own damn fault you can't figure out how to make a progressive tax curve

>>22804099
>health insurance if youre self-employed
this is the biggest fucking scam of them all.
when you're self-employed you automatically pay the maximum amount (~800€ i think), regardless of how much you actually make.
why?
because they *just assume* that you might be stating a lower income on purpose.
yep, that's right: they simply assume that you cannot be trusted and will bill you the absolute maximum based on nothing.
i'm honestly happy that i had a six-digit operation last month, just because it fucked the health insurance over a little.

>>22804144
Yeah the prices are pretty high. But you can find far lower healthinsurance providers in germany. I think you can get low to 2-300€ if you do research

>>22804141
progressive taxation is the biggest scam ever just look at that chart you tard. it barely makes a difference whether you make 100k, 200k or 300k but god forbid you make more than 40k youre alerady in the highest tax bracket. its absurd, there should be a flat tax so everybody pays the same

>>22804168
you mean private health insurance? that *can* be cheaper when you're very young, but once you're in private health insurance you can't switch back again, and it ramps up very hard once you get middle-aged.
in other words it's a gigantic risk. lots of people get stuck in "privatversicherung" and get ruined by it

>>22803915
that's actually extremely based

the worst of all of this is the absolute complacency of people here
I have friends in their 30s who make 3k net and think theyre balling. I try to tell them thats less than they would make in a junior position in the United States but then they just gloat about how much better Germany is because muh health insurance and muh trump. it is honestly hard to stand all this retardation here, the government is serving people shit and they just keep asking for more because its so delicious

>>22803812
STOP SPEAKING SAUERKRAUT GARBAGE
THIS IS AN ENGLISH SPEAKING BOARD

>>22804182
Yes. No wonder all good CEOs move to US or something. Deutschland schafft sich ab, is no meme. No innovation anymore. Everything is sellout to China or made there. TESLA is years ahead from muh boomer car industry

>>22803915
leave for what country, though?
the only solutions i ever hear are memes (live in the woods in canada, live like a king in thailand etc.)
the entire planet is being controlled by the same people. the only few countries out of their reach are north korea, cuba, possibly iran.
in other words you will see the same trends everywhere on earth, just maybe in a slightly different flavor and with differing tempo

>>22804253
>in other words you will see the same trends everywhere on earth, just maybe in a slightly different flavor and with differing tempo
in the US you can literally work hard and retire in 10 years. then they can go ahead and wipe out the middle class completely while I sit in my comfy gated community. NZ; Australia, Canada, Id imagine all those are much better than Germany too in terms of making money. I know plenty of peopl who emmigrated to those countries and not a single one wants to come back, ever

>>22803669
I used to work in Germany. Got paid €12,000 a month, not too bad

>>22803669
I feel you OP
I don't know what is worse though: The situation itself regarding the hard facts, or the fact that so many cucked Germans are still okay with it and think we live in a great country and gonout and demonstrate for higher taxes (friydays for future niggers)
God I am so sick of it. University is the worst place of them all. A bunch of braindead zombies in there. I hope they all die off soon once it comes all crashing down. Fucking subhuman scum. I hate them to death

>>22804287
>Got paid €12,000 a month, not too bad
doing what?

>>22804295
I'd dox myself if I said.
It was unironically to do with green energy though, probably explains why it is so expensive

>>22803974
>Instead of paying for private schooling, wagies pay for higher quality public schools.
thats actually really good thought? something about Australia doing it and it working really good
if the rich want their kids to go on nice schools, they better invest in it
thus everyone wins

>>22803952
i actually wanted to agree with you but then you brought up the mask
is that just a metaphor or are you really saying dont wear a mask

>>22804005
Like others said, this seems to target the middle class.
Agenda 21 wants to centralize and control all resources (except for those owned by the oligarchs who started this project). Thus, ramping up the cost of basic necessities might be a convenient way to abolish private property for most people.

There is a strong push to minimize services which interestingly coincides with The Limits to Growth predictions from the 70s:

>Global Industrial output per capita reaches a peak around 2008, followed by a rapid decline
>Global Food per capita reaches a peak around 2020, followed by a rapid decline
>Global Services per capita reaches a peak around 2020, followed by a rapid decline
>Global population reaches a peak in 2030, followed by a rapid decline

See also
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is/

>>22804170
>I fundamentally don't understand what a progressive marginal tax rate is
flat tax is a fucking scam.
what you're arguing is that the tax structure as is, is fundamentally a flat tax for those with an income over 300k.
that's the gut of the problem.
the tax structure offloads the tax burden on to those making 40k, when those making 400k still have plenty of fat they can trim.
what's worse is that those bringing in 400k price out those earning 40k from markets like housing.

>>22804279
the same shit is being implemented everywhere, though.
PC culture (thought-crime), forced vaccinations, eco taxes, massive indoctrination in school systems (moral corruption of your children), pushing sexual degeneracy, pushing "alternative" lifestyles, completely abandoning freedom of speech, divide& conquer everywhere, especially racially etc. etc.

the ride never ends, and it will even invade rural canada. i don't know about you but i want to live for another 4, 5 decades. just look at the speed with which society has crumbled in the last 20 years.
we went from idyllic, clean, peaceful 90's with smiling white people everywhere to decade of terrorism (muh invisible enemy) => decade of illegal immigration => pandemic (muh invisible enemy).
all of those trends will only get worse, and extrapolated 40 years into the future you are either filthy rich or can expect to meet a horrible horrible fate when you are old and defenseless.

Weird. I live in Finland and it is considered common fact (propagated by right and centre parties) that in Germany salaries are higher, goods cheaper and life better because there is supposedly less "socialism" and more liberty. Yet by all numbers on OP quality of life as a finnish worker seems higher.

>>22804295
as a professional larper

>>22803669
>my apartment alone is 1000 euro per month
You really can't get a cheaper one?
>I pay 500-600 for healthy food
I think the right term here would be 'luxury food' you don't need to pay that much for healthy food if you know how to cook.

>>22804401
>>22803669
>my apartment alone is 1000 euro per month
>I pay 500-600 for healthy food
yeah, shit dog, you're getting scammed.
I pay 550 warm for a 2bdrm altbau in berlin
and pay about 300 bucks a month in food, including beer.
And for me, brutto, 2800.

>>22804338
>i actually wanted to agree with you but then you brought up the mask
>is that just a metaphor or are you really saying dont wear a mask

the pandemic is yet another iteration of the "invisible enemy" meme. every time you hear that we "have to" give up freedoms to fight an invisible enemy, it is tool by the ruling elites to destroy society further.
hint: invisible enemies can neither be proven nor disproven. they could be there (terrorists etc.) or they couldn't. this is why it works so well: normies are afraid to question anything and will require extensive evidence to not go along with anything that fights an *invisible* enemy.

i think the next iteration after the pandemic (its never going away, but just like terrorism it will become a normal part of life) will be MUH HACKERS.
when your electricity goes out in the year 2035 and when supermarkets are empty and your bank account has been magically reset it will always be the invisible enemy again, and gullible as you are you're going to eat that story up and "do your part" to fight them.

about the pandemic:
i don't know about you, but no one in my (extended) died from this invisible enemy, just like the last one (no one died from terrorists either, weird huh).
i wear my goddamn cuckmask to the supermarket, but only because i know that i will make it out of this open-air-barn that german society has turned into

>>22804365
>we went from idyllic, clean, peaceful 90's with smiling white people everywhere to decade of terrorism (muh invisible enemy) => decade of illegal immigration => pandemic (muh invisible enemy).
All this shit is a trap to make people more right wing ie. More hateful and happy to back pointless wars.
Putin started it all by backing Asad, the consequence is mass immigration to the west causing the west to fall apart (Brexit for example). Clever man that Putin.
The west now has no choice but to become fascist

>>22804338
>is that just a metaphor or are you really saying dont wear a mask
Not the guy but masks or gay.
Only put my on when literally threatened with fees.
Fuck this nonsense.
I know seniors that were born during Weimar that recovered from Corona and when another uncle died from cancer the doc asked if he can write Corona to get more gibs from the government.
The virus is an overhyped flu to have an excuse to crash this scam economy and destroy the middle class.

>>22804292
>or the fact that so many cucked Germans are still okay with it and think we live in a great country and gonout and demonstrate for higher taxes
this is the worst of it. they want lower standards of living because climate. the subversion is complete. once germany becomes a failed state full with niggers, they'll blame the rich who got out for not contributing, too

>>22804295
Larping as Idi Amin.

>>22804343
flat tax is by definition the fairest tax system you can have. as you yourself say the problem is rich people have flat tax while poor people dont. make it fair and have everybody pay the same percentage rate, and LOWER those fucking taxes while youre at it. I couldnt care less about some guy making 400k a year and hes certainly not pricing me out of real estate, we dont even livei n the same neighbourhoods. what is really pricing people out is bringing in millions of foreigners and giving them free housing through Hartz IV its completely insane. there should also be a super high tax on RE moguls, say anything more than 2 houses/apartments you pay a lot in taxes. your primary abode and maybe a holiday home should have zero taxes as long as you actually live in there. thing is we can argue about specifics all day but the fact is there is a TON That could be done to improve this situation but politicians dont care and normies dont care either, so Im really not gonna bother arguing more with dipshits like you about hurr durr you dont understand progressive marginal tax rate

>>22804449
das leben ist kein ponyhof

>>22804389
Ha back in the day that wasn't even that high a wage for me.
Best I ever got paid was £1450 a day for 48 days then 4 weeks off ,rinse, repeat.

>>22804483
riecht hier in deutschland aber mittlerweile so

>>22804081
>don't get a car.
why?

>>22804449
>>22804454
I was there in January when we posted vids of people in China dying on the street, we knew that it was going to be bad, first we (the chads on this website) didnt want to leave the house but now we know that wearing a simple mask can help a lot with not getting infected, i think its another flu but we still dont have long term data, there might be long term lung damage you dont know, i'd rather just everyone wear a fucking mask or not go outside for two weeks
who are those people who invaded this site with their DONT WEAR THE MASK YOU DRONE, mentality, like fuck off newfag (not you, you guys seem nice but you know what i mean)

>>22804467
>flat tax is by definition the fairest tax system you can have. as you yourself say the problem is rich people have flat tax while poor people dont. make it fair and have everybody pay the same percentage rate
you continue to contradict yourself, let alone whatever you think "fair" is highly suspect

>>22804448
>I pay 550 warm for a 2bdrm altbau in berlin
for a shithole in some ghetto maybe
>about 300 bucks a month in food
for hormone-laden crap meat and processed food. try eating healthy top shelf stuff and that number doubles. thing is once you get older maybe you want to live in a nice place and have healthy food instad of beer & chips

>>22804450
The great Satan, aka the USA/Israel, especially Obama started this shit by instigating the Arab Spring, toppling the last bulwark against the negro hordes by murdering Gadaffi and financing islamic terrorists against Assad.
Putin has nothing to do with the mess in the Middle East.

>>22804365
The 90s were an exception. The cold war just ended and the war on terror didn't start for another decade. People were sick of racial tensions and calmed down after the rodney king riots.

>>22804522
how am I contradicting myself? I literally repeated what your dumb ass said. if everybody pays the same percentage rate of their income thats the definition of fair, what else would you propose? actually dont even bother replying I dont really care about having an autistic debate about progressive vs flat tax the taxes here are TOO FUCKING HIGH no matter how you slice and dice it.

>>22804518
>I was there in January when we posted vids of people in China dying on the street, we knew that it was going to be bad, first we (the chads on this website)
Cograts you revealed yourself as a Chinese Agitator wanting to spread panic in the west.
Anyway Chang, I admit I fell for it and was posting this shit too. Even bought 5kg of Vitamic C in late January/early February.
I however can admit I was wrong and got tricked and now corrected and did a 180°.

>>22804528
You have gone back further than me and I agree, it started way back but dont underestimate how clever putin was.
Purely by verbally backing Assad he made it possible for him to survive.
Otherwise the great Western war against terror would have included him in the hit list.
Not being able to directly get involved in toppling assad without causing WW3 meant that the middle East remains perpetually unstable, everyone fighting everyone else.
Without lifting a finger Putin caused europe to move way to the right and the union to start to rip itself apart.

>>22804448
> 550 warm for 2 bedroom apartment in berlin
ahahahahaha yeah right. If you aren't living in some hellhole highrise in Marzahn or in a rat-infested cellar arpartment in the outskirts of east berlin, there's no way unless you're a girl fucking her landlord for rent benefits (many do)

>>22804559
>flat tax for the rich is the problem
>therefore everyone should have flat tax
you still haven't demonstrated what marginal rates are.

the bigger problem is that a proportional tax based on income implies somehow that their benefit from society is directly proportional to their income.
that's not true, and basing a tax plan on that assumption is dishonest, and therefore, not fair.
ultimately it winds up benefiting inherited wealth and those already owning assets.

>>22804518
>who are those people who invaded this site with their DONT WEAR THE MASK YOU DRONE, mentality
people that have been here for years and can smell bullshit from a mile away.

MUH
INVISIBLE
ENEMY

when will you people understand how simple that is? they invent a stupid idea that can neither be proven or disproven by the public, an invisible enemy, and then they take away your freedoms.
first it was muh terrists, now it is an illness that no one actually has but that the news reports numbers on (because numbers is all they have. where are the PICTURES AND VIDEOS OF DYING PEOPLE), next it will be "muh hackers" responsible for the complete breakdown of society in 10-20 years when everything has been taken from the public and even the general infrastructure starts to crumble

there IS NO invisible enemy. EVER.

>>22804589
just leave berlin. i don't get it. why do people keep moving there even though they are being fucked in every orifice

>>22804483
>https://www.presseportal.de/pm/59659/4694141
geritten wird aber trotzdem

>>22804523
You're largely exaggerating things here. You can find reasonable priced flats in Berlin neighborhoods that certainly aren't 'ghetto'. Also German food standards are comparatively high. I don't understand your raving against the meat sold here being 'hormone-laden'. You have a point about becoming older, though, and I have to say that Berlin at least isn't a place for old men.

>>22804589
haha, I live in south tempelhof

>>22804579
Assad is not the one backing terror.
Our (Germany's) allies Turkey and Saudi Arabi are doing so.
Our country is full of fundamentalist Wahhabist preachers on their pay roles.
Bashar Assad is also the only one in Syria protecting the native Christians.
The middle east will remain perpetually unstable until either Israel or all Muslims vanish and will probably remain so either way as neither jews jewing jews nor muslims fighting each other for harems is a good basis for civilization.

>>22804604
> there is no such thing as viruses, the whole world has made up a disease
Go back to you Atilla Hildmann telegram, schizo

>>22804589
>unless you're a girl fucking her landlord for rent benefits (many do)
Care to elaborate? I have no doubts that this happens, I just want to hear some stories about what sleazy things happen in my hometown.

>>22804248
gigabased

>>22804565
i mean i didnt post, i just lurked, but saying "we" sounds cool

>>22804604
terrorism is an invisible enemy, i agree
but nigga a virus is literally invisible like how retarded are you https://twitter.com/laethageal/status/1239699270577553409?s=21

>>22804664
https://www.cosmopolitan.de/sex-statt-miete-ich-schlafe-mit-meinem-vermieter-statt-miete-zu-zahlen-81444.html

Countless stories like this. If you make it one day, just buy an appartment in berlin and exclusively rent it to hot college students who will fuck you whenever you want

>>22803669
>how the fuck does anyone make money here?
>zero tax on crypto after one year in germany
>asks in a crypto board

are you literally retarded?

>>22804651
Absolutely based

>>22804651
You dont believe in the chemical weapon attacks on his own people?

>>22804624
After that plague, there's certainly no reason to come here. The night life was the only really good thing that Berlin had to offer. Now it's gone once and for all because almost every venue that was worth a thing, is going to close down forever. There's not going to be much left. If you come to Berlin, because it's 'cool & hip', you're a dumbfuck.

>>22804523
>try eating healthy top shelf stuff
>why do I have no money

God you sound like an insufferable entitled low iq twat

>>22804718
Hes been framed. Ever heard of the #OPCWleaks ? https://wikileaks.org/opcw-douma/
https://themindunleashed.com/2019/05/leaked-opcw-report-shatters-official-syria-narrative.html

Article by rfk.jr on syria. Cia started funding jihadi terrorists in 2008 well before arab spring or any alleged chemical attacks by assad because assad rejected a saudi/qatar pipeline that would supply eastern and western europen with oil and reduce dependency on Russia for oil.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/rfk-jr-why-arabs-dont-trust-america-213601

>>22804654
you're like cattle, you should be treated as such

>>22804722
can I get thoughts on frankfurt please?
I live here since I was born but have literally no idea about it, I never go out

>>22803669
kek. 2k engineering. What is he engineering? A giant pile of bullshit?

>>22804604
You are a fucking retard. Media was also downplaying it as "a flu" at first and WHO was repeating Chinese propaganda, until the west saw in Italy how bad it really is.

>>22804718
>You dont believe in the chemical weapon attacks on his own people?
Not really. The UN reports are inconclusive at best. I've also met a few members of the Syriac church hierarchy (during charity events, not going to dox myself) and all were adamant that Assad is the only one able to bring peace and stability and reasonably redpilled about other questions regarding MENA. They wouldn't shill for someone that slaughtered his own people.

>>22804776
>it was the glowies
>again
Why didn't we listen to truman?

>>22803669
>500-600 for healthy food
thats 20€ a day anon... that is literally impossible except you try to do it on purpose. I cook for around 5-10€ a day and I bet it is 100% more healthy than your "healthy food"

>>22804851
kek I feel like an absolute chad, I never changed my views on the virus and ended up always right.

The market is shit, everyone is selling their grandma kidneys to buy their onions green, raiders are scouring the neighborhood, i even saw one guy holding a cup of fresh water last day, crazy stuff.

Wait, not anymore?

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>>22804604
Fuck off please. SARS-CoV-2 wouldnt even touch you because you are way to dumb to survive.

stell dir vor du lebst in einem drecksloch wie deutschelande, stell dir vor...

I feel you, it is the same thing here in Austria
What really gets me is that most people really don't understand how much better people in the USA, Australia and Canada are living.
The biggest reason why even lower middle class/most poor people enjoy much greater standards of living are low energy prices, but most people are too retarded to understand that energy prices are reflected in the cost of EVERY SINGLE GOOD.

The worst thing is if we slashed taxaiton and regulations and got rid of this green energy bullshit, Germany and Austria could be amazing countries and catch up with the USA/Canada/Australia.

Sadly, we are going the opposite direction. With more green bullshit expect a rapid decline in standards of living due to even higher prices in all sectors.

>>22804694
Why do they make it sound as if the homeless dude living on the street somehow has it better than the women CHOOSING to suck dick for lodging ?

Low wages that for some reason don't increase.

>>22804886
Fuck off fucking pajeet Nigger >>22804840
yeah this is unironically not true

Starting wage fresh out of uni for an electrical engineer for example is around 50k€ before taxes.
Around 3k after taxes and social security contribution
Its still not that much but at least i have free healthcare. I would be in debt if id live in america

have some suicidefuel

>>22804950
yeah idk

Meanwhile our "right wing" party here in Austria is asking for price controls on food

>>22804990

>a Pollack
>living in Poland near Germany border
>working in Germany as a doctor and spending cash solely in Poland
>Germcucks seethe
It's that simple, get lost poorfag

>>22804592
youre either being dense or misreading my posts on purpose, either way, like I said I have no interest in an autistic discussion about flat vs progressive tax rates with you. maybe reread what I said or dont. I dont care.
>>22804629
>I don't understand your raving against the meat sold here
then maybe educate yourself about what absoulte garbage youre consuming when youre eating industry meat. when you want grass-fed beef, chicken thats not full with antibiotics and growth hormones youre paying a lot more than 300 a month. thats what I paid as a broke ass student when I was eating frozen dinners every night. when youre 30+ and wanna take care of your self you will be paying a lot more than tha if you want high quality meat, veggies and so on. I understand /biz/ is full of youngfags who dont care what they put into their body but that will change with age.
>>22804877
>I cook for around 5-10€ a day
I had all these dumb discussions on /fit/ before. a kg of organic chicken thigh is 17 euro, chicken breast is 30 euro per kg. if youre working out and eating 150g of protein a day and NOT using industrial garbage meat you will spend a lot more than 10 bucks a day, not my fault you fags are all broke and dont care what you eat.

Honestly, as much as I meme about Germany and the tax/contribution burdens we have: Where exactly is it better in central europe?

I agree, salaries are way better in CH, life more enjoyable in Scandinavia but in general we are quite comfy. The grass is always greener on the other side

>>22805111
Sadly there are not many alternatives
Eastern europe pays like crap, southern europe has no jobs and the remaining countries have similar problems.
I think CH like you said is the only choice.
Or the UK, but thats not central europe anymore. But I wouldnt want to live in the UK too.

>>22803834
Unironically these EU are pretty nice for investors and traders but pretty shit for the actual countries

>>22805111
tax-wise youre better off pretty much everywhere else save maybe belgium
income wise it really depends on what you do.
quality of life is a bit of a meme because everybody defines it differently.

>>22805158
Unironically these EU countries are pretty nice for investors and traders but pretty shit for the actual workers

So what else is there?

>USA
Despite nigs and libs it's still probably the best bet for earning good money, and it's a massive country so you can always find a nice little corner without too much retards.

>rest of the anglo world (Canada, Australia, NZ, UK, Ireland)
Insane housing bubble in every single one of these, you either live with your parents or with roommates. Cucksheds go for millions, it's worse than in USA or other western countries. Bunch of chinks and/or muslims, nigs and other cockroaches. Taxes are brutal in UK, somewhat less in other countries.

>western Europe (Germany, Austria, France, Benelux)
Everything is already said in this thread, I don't need to tell you again how bad it is.

>Switzerland
So far so good, probably the best off country in Europe. Not ideal, but close to it.

>southern Europe (Portugal, Spain, Italy)
At first glance they seem poor, although I believe general quality of life is much better compared to western Europe, particularly in north Italy or Catalonia. I'm gonna be honest though I haven't done much research on these countries so I might be wrong, if some anons is living there feel free to correct me.

>norhtern Europe (Scandinavia)
Overtaxed socialist nightmares. It's probably not that bad if you're a min wage worker, it's probably great then. If you aspire for anything more, like entrepreneurship or being a highly skilled professional just lol at you. You'll be sucked dry like a literal slave, even more so than in other western countries.

cont. in other post 1/2

>>22805052
>muh I need organic chicken breast because I want to be swoll.
A can of fair tuna is 2€ I think and I also think you would need 2 of those for your coping swollness.
>but that does not taste good
well either you dont bitch about the money you pay for your ego booster or go to a cheaper alternative
>muh you are poor shut up
you know why I am not poor fren? because I know how to handle money unlike you obviously. picture very related

>>22805176
2/2

>easter Europe and Balkans
This one is a really wide grouping. Again they are much poorer than western Europe, but there is no doubt that life can be really good in some of these countries especially if you made good crypto money. Slovenia, Czechia and Slovakia seem like a good countries both for business and living. I'm from Serbia which is honestly and Africa tier shithole, at least taxes are low but that doesn't mean much since you earn an African tier wage even as an engineer or doctor.

And that's it, everything else is an even bigger shithole. My best picks would be Switzerland, USA and than certain Eastern European countries like Slovenia, Czechia or maybe even Estonia in the Baltics. Although learning Estonian would be a bitch of a task.

>>22803764
its net income, so after 42% tax

>>22805176
Most parts of Australia are not that bad regarding housing
WA for example is much cheaper than Austria

>>22805204
what about asia?

>>22803861
this. left politics in germany are a joke. they just have their agenda that they push and everybody that doesn't think further than 5 minutes ahead votes for them because their solutions seem logical (like i said, only if you dont think ahead very far.)

>>22805191
>A can of fair tuna is 2€
lol yeah enjoy your mercury poisoning when you eat cans of tuna every day. like I said youre a broke bitch who doesnt care what he puts into his body and then brags about his 10 bucks a day grocery bill. sick and tired of retards like you. if you want food quality that comes even close to what aws the norm 100 years ago you are paying top shelf prices, its either that or eat industry garbage. this is not about ego its about health once you get older you will understand or maybe you will just stay ignorant. FWIW I save 30% of my income which is more than most people I know. but guess what Im still pissed Im getting bled dry in this shithole because you can be successful and still be mad at this system. either way this sthread is about what a crap country germany is if you want to talk meat prices and nutrition you can go to /fit/ ive said my piece.

>>22805191
oh forgot the pic
and one thing I want to add why are you surprised that organic chicken cost money? this is you
>I WANT THE CHICKEN TO GET GOOD FOOD BUT I DONT WANT TO PAY FOR IT REEEEE

>>22805251
>what about asia?
What about it? In Japan and Korea the overworking culture is too much for me. China is a shithole in so many regards. SEA is just poor and full of asians, India is even poorer. Why would anyone live for any longer period of time in Asia?

>>22805277
i've heard people like to fuck off to Thailand

>>22805260
>if you want food quality that comes even close to what aws the norm 100 years ago
you mean the entire family almost never affording meat at all? yeah that was awesome when your meal consisted of old potatoes and brown veggies that would be thrown away today

food quality might have been slightly better, food availability was zero compared to today. every hartzer basically eats like a medieval king

>>22804026
Kek you are literally in every German hate thread

>>22803974
>3 Million
>gated community
Kek, won’t even be able to afford a decent house in Germany

>>22805285
>i've heard people like to fuck off to Thailand
It's ok for a holiday I guess, but I don't think anyone would honestly want to live there except for old pedo boomers.

>>22805260
we will talk about health once you get my age fren, I bet you are a zoomer because of your know it all attitude. One advice I would give you is that anger is very bad for your health

I left germany for vienna but not because of rent and food prices
t. 45 yo boomer

>>22804170
is there a single reason there isn't linear taxation?

>>22803669
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com

>>22804182
you dont get "ruined" by it lmao

if you get over the "Beitragsbemessungsgrenze" before youre 30 then you save money.

If youre a poorfag who thinks "im not rich but i want muh privatversicherung" and you stay under the beitragsbemessungsgrenze youre retarded and deserve to stay poor.

>>22803950
Its true tho
Food should be more expensive, but housing should be far cheaper and wages far higher

>>22804220
this. i'd never pay for health insurance if i could get that same money on my paycheck and save it.

id invest that money and use that account solely for my health insurance. The thing is: if you don't use it all you can give it to your children after you die. In the healthcare system if you never get sick, your 500k that you paid but never used are just GONE.

>>22804250
this.

>>22805358
>Food should be more expensive, but housing should be far cheaper
so russia? or most of eastern europe?
>and wages far higher
wages usually follow productivity unless the government fucks shit up with monetarily or by taxation

>>22803669
You need a Weimar 2.0, which you actually already have, and then profit from what comes next.

>>22804341
what youre describing will naturally occur because of the current fiscal politics.

Central- and Fractional Reserve Banking use the trickle down effect to enslave the whole population in debt. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory but its true. DYOR

>>22805446
>so russia? or most of eastern europe?

nobody wants that man, its just that the general german doesnt know any other thing than investing in real estate. add a shit ton of boomers and elderly that live alone plus jobs arent evenly distributed anymore and you have an extreme scarcity of housing

>>22804926
Dann zieh doch in die USA wenn du es da so geil findest?!?

>>22803760
Can anyone really be mad though? I mean they did try to take over the world.

>>22805487
>its just that the general german doesnt know any other thing than investing in real estate.
Actually I find that this is common in most countries except for USA. Only american boomers are into stocks, everywhere else it's either real estate or a bank savings account.

>>22803827
Spell it with me brainlets:
F
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S
I
O
N

>>22805052
>youre either being dense or misreading my posts on purpose
that's actually what your posts say, retard.
money should get more and more difficult to retain as you get farther away from what's required for "the good life."
allowing folks with obscene amounts of wealth to skew the equation for everyone else is unfair.
And you still haven't demonstrated any knowledge of how a marginal tax rate works.

But please amend the image with the curve that you think is more fair.

>>22805490
Found the typical germancuck that votes left, rents a tiny box, uses public transport and thinks he is living the life

It's the same in the Netherlands. It's funny because I have some American friends and at first I just couldn't believe the amount of money they made, but I saw it first hand. I try to explain my dutch friends that 2.5k a month after taxes is just poverty but they are unable to grasp the idea. They think wearing a suit and living in some shitty appartment in the city is ballin status.

>>22803669
grass is always greener on the other side

>>22805418
>In the healthcare system if you never get sick, your 500k that you paid but never used are just GONE.
wait are you serious? last time i got sick was last year for maybe a week, last time i went to the dr was 3-4y ago

what about solidarity?

also, lets say i need to fix teeth or something like that, what now?

Where do you only get 2k as an engi, biggest larp.

I get 3k just with a bachelor

>>22805490
Metter Malte detektiert.
Du kommst auch noch ins Brausebad.

>>22805566
>everything is equally bad
lmao just off yourself

>>22805555
how much do Americans make then?

>>22805568
>what about solidarity?

>>22805568
>what about solidarity?
That is supposed to be "solidarity"
> lets say i need to fix teeth or something like that, what now?
Dental work is often times not covered, depending on what exactly needs to be done.

>>22805584
>I get 3k just with a bachelor
Job? Sector? Why did you just get a bachelor, everyone goes for masters too in europe

>>22805533
Show us a working 24/7 fusion reactor.

>>22803669
german here, we are the eternal cucks. our government tries to save all the money and not go into debt, then covid happens and the eu says "hey look germany has no debts, they are rich! they must pay covid relief to italy and spain!" meanwhile in italy 50% of people own a home or something and in germany it's like 20%.

>>22805632
kek I was serious plz reply
I remember a teacher trying to explain why healthcare in Germany is based around solidarity and that this great and stuff but I don't really get it
>>22805637
>Dental work is often times not covered
thats so retarded, its one of the only things im really interested in..
anyways, what would be the fix to everything?

>>22805584
>only get 2k as an engi
Well after tax that's a normal engineer salary here.

>>22805654
>meanwhile in italy 50% of people own a home or something and in germany it's like 20%.
Germany is around 55%, same as Austria, Switzerland is lowest at around 45% home ownership rate. I think Italy is around 70%

Gonna stupid abroad there once Covid lifts. Are there at least plenty of blonde qts?

>>22805111
i also hate germany because of taxes, but i visited whole europe the last few years and the only countrys which you can compare to germany are switzerland and austria

>>22805568
while you are going to the gym and trying to eat clean and never see a doctor, some fat muslim is taking his kids to mcdonalds for the 8th time, all of whom need new teeth, all of whom need diabetics medicine, also he smokes and needs cancer treatment, paid by you, and don't forget the hospital time because his wife has pushed out another 2 babys this year, yeah they are simply doing it in 6 month rhythms

>>22805661
>anyways, what would be the fix to everything?
The way to fix everything is stop socializing and monopolizing these services by the state. Healthcare, education and pension should all be private. It would both increase quality and decrease the cost.

>>22805690
then i got my numbers wrong sorry, but home ownership isn't even the worst, i saw a nice overview of wealth factors and germany was shit in every single one of them

>>22805690
>>22805727
google the ECB study about wealth per household in EU country. Germany is at the absolute bottom, lower than countries we routinely subsidize with billions in tax monies. they even tried to bury the study before a bundestagswahl a couple of years ago and its only gotten worse since then.

>>22805661
Solidarity = Boomers for economic boost when working and Boomers get paid by everybody after their dump economics fail.
Solidarity = Pay for Boomers

>>22805446
Less regulations and i could build a house for 30k instead of a few hundred k
The value is not in the materials or the work, its in being allowed to not pay rent
Engineers easily get double or triple the amount of money in the us, before getting raped by taxes
I doubt american engineers are more productive
Germany as a country is one of the most productive and richest in the world, but the median wealth is lower then in Greece
Food prices get pushed down so wages can get pushed down
Most conventional food producers dont earn shit, and would lose money without substitution

>>22805724
Isn't the american healthcare super expensive and doesn't even provide better care than the german one?

>>22805715
>>22805751
holy shit man really? what about good people who are actually in need of medical help

>>22805762
Good post, I agree with everything.

>>22805764
>Isn't the american healthcare super expensive and doesn't even provide better care than the german one?
Actually US has among the best medical facilities and treatment outcomes in the world. If you have insurance it's actually less expensive than Germany. The reason sometimes people complain about huge medica bills is because they are double digit IQ morons who don't buy insurance and then act all surprised when they have to pay for the bill instead of having an insurance house do it for them.

>>22805769
Those people have to sit and wait in the emergency room for 5 hours to be able to talk to a doctor for 5 minutes
I dated a girl who had multiple sclerosis so I spent a good amount of time in our public healthcare system, its rationed shit, ass, unless you have a hurge emergency like a gunshot wound its useless.

>>22805640
It will happen sooner than u think
Green is and double dubs speak truth
Inb4 20 year memelords

>>22803904
>if youre poor you get free housing, free food, free gibs, free health insurance, free everything
wait so you want poor people to not have housing, food or healthcare?

>>22803669
>>highest electricity prices in the world (thank you green energy!)
Yes, thank you green energy for fucking saving the planet you nog.

>>22805724
>>22805764
im trying to find the sauce but cant find it
basically "if everyone is forced to go to the same school regardless of rich or poor, rich people will be forced to invest into the school, thus benefiting everyone"
and then a bunch of people saying "but Americans don't want that because it would be muh socialism"

thoughts?

>>22803827
Because of nuclear waste. You can do NOTHING with nuclear waste except poison people. You want to make that shit just to have cheap electricity for 100 years? It is NOT SUSTAINABLE. It is poison.

>>22803790
Dies

>>22804450
>muh putin bogeyman

>>22804220
>I have friends in their 30s who make 3k net and think theyre balling. I try to tell them thats less than they would make in a junior position in the United States but then they just gloat about how much better Germany is because muh health insurance and muh trump.
your friends are correct though. I moved from the US to Germany, accepting a lower salary (3.5k net) because US is horrible to live for anyone but the upper middle class due to people with your way of thinking
Quality of life is obscenely better in Germany and I love that I can have friends across the class spectrum and no one lives in the awful economic precariousness of the average American
This is part of why US sucks so much, it selects for immigrants like you

>>22805938
What's actually going to happen is that the quality of education will go down. Common core, look it up.

>>22805938
found it
>>22805973

>>22804338
The disposable masks do nothing to stop the coronavirus. They just make it harder for you to infect other people if you're the one wearing it by preventing transmission from coughing or sneezing. but you can still catch it just from breathing virus particles in the air or touching a non-disinfected surface. Only N95 masks prevent aerial transmission.

>>22805927
>models to predict covid deaths in a few months are off by 95%, how do you think anyone would be able to predict the climate in 30 years? its broscience
Also Germanys CO2 emissions actually went up, because they were stupid enough to turn off nuclear too

>>22805964
This
Germans live happily together and everybody can pay for their beers, except for the 0.01% which are even more secluded in the americas

>>22805938
The reason people want private and charter schools is because public schools are shit and no attempt by parents to change it has ever worked. Teachers unions control what is done and when PTA complain they are ignored.

>>22805977
Thats fucking retarded
The only good thing about Austria is that youre still alowed to homeschool your children

>>22806028
Because the models are accurate if you expand them across a long enough time frame. The same is true of covid models. In 5 years, we'll the number of deaths predicted.

>>22806048
>Thats fucking retarded
hm. why?
even plebbitors have good arguments, look https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/iy6yzs/education_hack/

>>22805724
>It would both increase quality and decrease the cost.
>decrease the cost.
What? I'm no socialist but this isnt true at all all

>>22806055
>In 5 years, we'll the number of deaths predicted.
No we won't
Also those models didn't predict 100k deaths in Germany within 5 years, they predicted it within a few months, so they were straight up garbage
I think the ones in the UK were even worse

>>22805988
Nope, N95 mask filters are too big for droplets where the virus could be in. Also you can infect yourself through basically everything. Wipe your eyes after washing your hands and then wipe your anus? Possible infection
Just don’t be a manlet and have a good immune system

>>22806068
Because it's not about fucking funding.
> In 2017, "Project Baltimore" analyzed 2017 state testing data and found one-third of Baltimore High Schools in 2016 had zero students proficient in math.
>It is apparent that, despite repeated efforts to improve student learning outcomes, city efforts to improve student results have not been effective, even though Baltimore spends $15,564 per pupil, the fourth highest per student expenditure out of the 100 largest school districts in the nation, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

>>22804784
bump?

>>22805943
better to have even more dangerous things in the air then

>>22806102
woah, so whats the solution?

>>22806081
Coronavirus is never going away. It is now permanent across the globe like the normal flu.

>>22806084
The N95 blocks 95% of particles, hence the name N95. Nothing is a guarantee but it's far better than those useless disposable masks.

>>22806115
Holding teachers to standards and holding students to standards. If a student fails, they fail and repeat the grade. If they refuse to do better, they get expelled. They clearly don't want to learn so why cram them into school with the kids who do?

If the teacher cannot teach well, train them better instead of just having one-day "seminars" where they aren't forced to overhaul how badly they're teaching. If they do really poorly, fire them instead of rubber rooming them.

>>22805977
>the source
>a literal who on twitter
Wow great source
And you seem to be unaware that millionaires can just send their children abroad to a private school in the UK or Switzerland if they desire

>>22806077
>What? I'm no socialist but this isnt true at all all
How is it not true? Where do you think will the prices be lower, there where you have a monopoly or there where you have a multitute of companies trying to get the customers for themselves?

>>22806153
trust me bro, the government pointing guns at teachers who want offer their services to people is the solution bro

>>22803669
The median income is 1700 in France and Germans are much wealthier on average than the French. You may have some mistaken data there, buddy. Been to Germany a few times, everybody is driving brand new audi and BMW.

>>22804784
me too, do you live in the city or in a suburb?

Frankfurt is nice for going out, its crazy beacause in the city there are people making 1M a year right next to people barely making ends meet and they dont bother each other at all. everybody just chases the bag on his own

>>22806191
>people leasing cars they cant afford means prosperity

>>22805309
Neither will you with your reading comprehension skills

>>22806191
>habe some wealth
>buy muh car for muh status
>wealth disappears
>muh car mein kultur
Germans

>>22806041
Charter schools are a jewish scam

>>22806191
>ausländer driving a bmw on lease means germans are rich
not that the french are any better

>>22806153
>And you seem to be unaware that millionaires can just send their children abroad to a private school in the UK or Switzerland if they desire
This isn't about millionaires though. It's very commonplace for upper middle class and even some middle class families to send their kids to private school in the US causing a huge brain drain and a deep neglect for the system.
t. Burger who went to very poor quality public schools all the way from pre-school to before college, had friends from magnet and private schools, know teachers who have worked in charter vs public schools... It's just glaringly obvious that a substantial part of the problem is so many people in the top 20% having no skin in the game.

>>22806192
for real? see I didn't even know that, that's how fucking sheltered I am
please tell me more ... about my own city kek
I live.. uh I don't really know I think you can call it "very near the city but the shit parts"
>everybody just chases the bag on his own
really? I'm having a hard time finding a job, also I'm 18 idk if that matters
>is nice for going out
what does that mean anon?

>>22803669
Greece has higher electricity prices retard.

We have the highest prices on average of most perishables too (milk, eggs)

>>22806191
>France and Germans are much wealthier on average than the French
The average french is 3 times as wealthy as the average german
The average german has a networth of 35k, the average french has a networth of 100k

>>22805505
they had been holding off the turks for ages and it was their turn
then they got jewed by america and it wasn't fair

>>22803669
maybe if u didnt use retarded wind energy

>>22806298
41 cent per kWh currently in Germany. Pretty sure your electricity is 3 times cheaper. Also no, your shitty country is cheap as fuck, because my taxes pay for it.

>>22806298
Wow greece is a poor socialist cunt full of lazy midgets, who would have thought that everything would be expensive

>>22806298
That's because Turkey is stealing your natural gas and killing the planet. Having high electricity prices should be a badge of honor, like having food giveaways for the homeless or having government healthcare.

>>22806280
How is that a brain drain?
Let middle class families send their kids to private school to ensure a good education then
You are a crab in a bucket, just jealous that you couldn't get a good education so you think that no else one should be able to

It's actually hard to find doctors often even in Germany. You can go forever without finding a psychologist taking new patients, for example. Or I have personally looked months to get an appointment at a proctologist in my area.

>>22806390
Should've had single-payer.

>>22803669
>>22803764
yeah i think they might be into SAFEX too

>>22806390
A few years ago I had wrist pains that kept me from being able to work
It wouldve taken me 2 months to get an appointment with a specialist via public insurance

>>22803669
>dont have health insurance,
HOW, they literally take your money by any means normally
>I pay 500-600 for healthy food
How? What is healthy for you? Good meat is still not too expensive, organic isnt necessary. Same with milk products . And well fruits and the few healthy vegetables are cheaper available anyway. And the rest of the "health food" isnt really healthy anyway its just a hoax.
>>22805505
OMG lecture yourself pls...... The anglos had the world and just hated competition. They say oh the evil germans want the world but they just reveal their own plans. Also the "anglos"

>>22806358
>How is that a brain drain?
Because economic class is significantly correlated with educational outcomes for myriad reasons I won't get into here.
>You are a crab in a bucket, just jealous that you couldn't get a good education so you think that no else one should be able to
Quite the opposite, I think everybody should be able to get a good education. And in your "metaphor" you're basically saying the crabs with the richest families should be able to pay their way out of the bucket. How does that make sense?
>>22806390
This is true but not really that much better or worse than US in my experience. At least you don't have to deal with calling your insurer about coverage (and that's IF you're covered)

>>22806484
>>I pay 500-600 for healthy food
>How?
high quality protein power is expensive sirs

American living in Germany here... just want to say I feel bad for you all and you can all come stay with me on my farm in the US. I'll even pay you a wage so you can get a work visa and escape the european union. Thanks for the nice roads and cheap beer. btw I don't spend a single word of German, I just go around swiping my card and tipping people, as is our custom. Me and the cashier at the grocery store where we she will say random words like "donkey" or "shoes" when I'm about to leave. I usually respond with spaghetti or asparagus or whatever comes to mind. Wish we played these games in the USA.

>>22803669
>green energy
>coal

>>22803797
That ain't true bro. 4 y exp dev engineer here I make 60k/y , I started at 39k just outta school. 1300 is for a shitty internship. All my frens make more or less the same. Taxes fuck us or course but not that bad

>>22806390
>You can go forever without finding a psychologist taking new patients, for example. Or I have personally looked months to get an appointment at a proctologist in my area.
weird because I dont even have health insurance and they roll out the red carpet for me
the magic word is "SELBSTZAHLER", the public health insurance is a joke. I had some skin issues recently and the dermatologist said he could give me an appointment in 5 months. after I told them I pay myself they suddenly had a free slot within a week. the health system in germany is a joke its all about money. sometimes doctors will even give you a discount if you pay yourself because the insurance companies have all kinds of administrative fees tehy pocket
>>22806484
>HOW, they literally take your money by any means normally
self employed
>How? What is healthy for you?
varied diet with tons of fish, chicken, beef, beef, vegetables, berries, everything bio or I buy from farmers market in my area if possible.

>>22806658
Engineer life in Munchen is really ok. My min wage frens are fucked tho

>>22804518
>first we (the chads on this website) didnt want to leave the house but now we know that wearing a simple mask can help a lot
You are a retarded son of a whore. Fucking kill yourself you subhuman piece of shit and die. Disgusting sand nigger speak for yourself

>>22806658
>4 y exp dev engineer here I make 60k/y
in the US a junior engineer makes more and pays less taxes, plus cheaper COL and real estate.
"but its not that bad"

>>22803669
Wir schaffen das anon. Don't be selfish.

>>22805052
>organic chicken thigh is 17 euro
https://shop.rewe.de/p/rewe-bio-haehnchenschenkel-500g/1267731
i see 12,70, but try beef there organic isnt necessary, also pic related
Dont forget on all other points im with you, but to say you need 500 euro per month for food is just madness.

>>22806718
>https://shop.rewe.de/p/rewe-bio-haehnchenschenkel-500g/1267731
im talking boneless chicken thigh, the price is literally 17,10 Euro per kg I can send you a picture if you dont believe it. chicken breast is 30 euro / kg. if youre serious about lifting and eat 150g of protein a day how else are you gonna get it in? I eat 400g of chicken a day, sometimes beef and salmon which is even more expensive. fwiw the price for organic boneless chicken thigh is less than half in the US, so just another area where we get fucked.

>>22803669
Ahmed needs a third house for his other 17 kids, you fucking bigot!

>>22806625
>"donkey or shoes"
had to read twice, thx for the laughter fren

move to Switzerland like every smart german.

>>22806677
>varied diet with tons of fish, chicken, beef, beef, vegetables, berries, everything bio or I buy from farmers market in my area if possible.
Hm i understand the 500 euro now, and well if you want to eat only this its your thing , only a few tips
Eat the "bad" cuts from beef, thats healthier anyway since there is more gelantine. Just make gulasch or meat soup.
Beef organic isnt really better, just look if they are fed grass and maybe are outside. Organic beef and milk (and honey) can have a lot of Johanniskreuzkraut and other Unkraut which is very liver toxic. And these plants are more common by then year because of the shit Ökowahn (did you think the greens are right with this?). Glyphosat is the thing against this or fertilizers organics dont use. similar arguemts can be made against almost all organic foods besides chicken, eggs and fish, where im not aware of some. Basically organic is largely a scam in the longrun.
Also this>>22806718

>>22806816
kek, i didn't get it until just now

>>22806903
>Johanniskreuzkraut
jokobskreuzkraut sorry

>>22806870
fuck off we're full, sauschwob

>>22806903
>if you want to eat only this its your thing
I dont want to eat like this but I got serious about training and changed up my entire diet and I feel 100% better and have more energy than from teh crap I used to eat before. and then I would still spend 300-400 euro a month. I guarantee most people have no idea how much better they would feel if they started eating real food. Im actually a lot more hardcore about this, I stay away from microplastics whererver I can to optimize my endocrine system. organic floss, only bottled water, no shampoo, organic deodorant. you can call me crazy but I feel better than I have ever before, no more depression, no more brain fog, no more energy crashing throughout the day. I think most people seriously underestimate how much poison we are being bombarded with on a daily basis through food, cosmetics and so forth. thats also why I stay away from regular vegetables and berries, I dont think organic/bio is a scam at all. I want to minimize my exposure to pesticides and endocrine disruptors and if I have to pay a couple of hundred bucks more a month, then so be it. of course if the unwashed masses werent completely retarded we would have stricter food standards, people would demand more high quality and you wouldnt have to jump through all these hoops. but as you can see even in this thread most people dont give a shti about anything, theyre happy handing half their money over to the state and getting fucked up the ass as long as theres beer in the fridge and a football game on TV.

>>22805176
>>22805204
>>22805277
Ok, so if I got it right:
Good countries to live and work:
-USA
-Switzerland
-Portugal/spain/italy with high wage

Why slovenia, Czechia and Estonia though? Arent the salaries low?

What about Arabic Emirates/qatar or maybe Singapore?
Personally was thinking of South Korea. Looks like a healthy/clean society with good money to be made

>>22805977
After this was implemented their test scores took a dive.

>>22805277
>Japan and Korea the overworking culture
It's pretend to overwork culture. Source: I work in Japan.

Singapore and, until recently, HK are the shit though.

>>22803974
>thinking public schooling and public health care is higher quality than private
>the thought process of a eurocuck

we drink da hefeweizen one day?

>>22807314
you are a retard

>>22803669
buy lition you cuck

>>22806692
based

>>22806718
what bullshit

USA has zero laws regarding animal growth hormone use, thats why their 16 year kids look like they are close to menopause

>>22807066
>organic floss, only bottled water, no shampoo, organic deodorant
I dont use floss, only bottled water of course the same, shampoo i mostly use the hard "handseife", deodorant i only use when absolutely necessary so yes i do almost the same and these are good point s

>>22805358
why you should food be more expensive? fucking faggot

>>22807484
>thats why their 16 year kids look like they are close to menopause

That would be the UK, not the US though
British girls look like night creatures out of a horror novel

>people unironically believe OP's post

>>22807526
maybe dont conflate years of inbreeding with excessive hormone use, but it might be similar, not sure regarding farming practices. But USA regulations has been completely cucked by large farming lobbies.

>>22807132
Wasting 20 hours at the workplace while only really working for 1 hour is still 20 hours spent at the workplace

Japan and shitrea are terrible places to live and work in

>>22807484
imho thats the mass unsaturated oils from the corn, the fried things etc...
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fats-functions-malfunctions.shtml
read a bit into it unsaturated fats and beside too much fiber the two biggest heath problems

>>22804099
sorry to correct you...your obliged by law to have some kind of health insurance. even as "self-employed". at bare minimum private with their minimum shit. and yes im sure of it...i work for a large health insurance company in germany and i learned that shit.
an "anwartschaft" is basicly worth jackshit btw. if you go to the hospital now, have fun. to shit on the public health insurance in germany shows your endless stupidity since its objectivly one of the best in the world. well if i bribe a cop i can get out of a ticket as well, so gj on gettin your appointments sooner then others.

>>22807523
Because food producers dont earn shit and would go bankrupt without substitutions, also plebs dont realize how much gets stolen from them as long as foodprices are artificially surpressed

>>22805724
what do you think about the individual IPO model.

Places like lamda school for example, screening kids for possible bursary and employment long before they actually reach graduation age.

>>22803887
Kek $45k/yr is poverty in USA. I wouldn’t be able to survive on less than $100k.

>>22807657
>your obliged by law to have some kind of health insurance. even as "self-employed".
so you work at an insurance and want to tell me I need insurance. go figure. there is absolutely no law that says you need health insurance as a self employed person, there are certain types of self employed that are obliged to have it, but not all.
>to shit on the public health insurance in germany shows your endless stupidity since its objectivly one of the best in the world
lmao try private health insurance for a week and then we talk again, the difference to public health insurance is like night and day. as a selbstzahler you get private insurance level service but you only pay when you actually need something done. FWIW I saved over 25k in insurance fees already and had less than 2k in expenses during the same time. If I need something done I pay it out of pocket. And if I ever want to join a health insurance I have an anwartschaft. now go back to your cubicle hans.

>>22803669
>>highest electricity prices in the world (thank you green energy!)
What's wrong with saving the planet? Remember you gotta come back to this planet (reincarnation) so you can't say ''go to fuck off'' to green energy
love yourself and the place you live into

>>22806301
French people are extremely frugal with their money, we're very cheap. I think we're one of the people that most save money. The French do not realize that, but it's enshrined in our culture, for some reason. We save money, in case of some hypothetical catastrophe (eg a war with the Germans)

I'm a 25yo german fella.

>make 1.600€ gross every month
have a bachelor but it's in media communication so it's my own fault it's fucking useless moneywise

>Spend 300€ on rent, water, electricity etc
(live with gf)
>Spend 170€ on food
basically never eat out, no shit sugar meals. Fresh, vegetarian meals daily

>Spend 54€ on transport
I dont own a car because it's a moneytrap for the lower and nonexistant middleclass so oficcialy i'm still a uni student and get a cheap ass public transport ticket I use to get to work etc

>Spend like 20-30€ on misc shit
like Mobile Phone, Internet, GEZ, Spotify

I save like 65% of this shitty ass wage and I still don't progress.
I make more by holding boomer crypto than working a shitty job I hate.
There is no escape for me guys. I won't ever be able to afford a nice family. A kid, a mediocre car, a place I can call home..

>>22805943
Thats bullshit. They are working on a saltcore reaktor, for example Gates. They can literally use nuclear waste to power them

>>22803974
wagies always get fucked in europe.

Belgium has 50% income tax and 0% on capital gains

>>22808066
This is jammern auf hohen Niveau (life wise not money wise)
I hope you are not vegetarian btw.
Still i agree with you how bad this all got.

>>22806718
>>22807484
The impossible burger is many orders of magnitude WORSE than a burger when it comes to estrogen.

Impossible burgers (completely meat free) have an estrogen precursor in them, that is the PRIMARY chemical in women's heat flash medication to boost their estrogen at the SAME quantity.

Eating impossible burgers will literally give you breast growth as a male if you eat them every day.

what most people in this thread don't seem to realize is that unless you are in the top 10% of earners, you won't be getting rich off a monthly wage in under 30 years of saving.

it's basic math, let's say you earn a generous 4,000 a month and only spend 1,000 of that on living expenses, that still only nets you 36,000 a year in savings, 360,000 for 10 years of savings and barely a million with 30 years of savings, those numbers are pathetic.


The only true way to wealth is to make your own wealth, either through investing in the right things, creating a business or whatever else you can think of to make money.

>>22808118
Just like how fusion is 50 years away, right?

This industrial vampire complex is entirely unsustainable and we need to reduce our consumption of electricity. If green energy prices people out so much the better.

>>22808066
>28 yo
>work in it
>did the ausbildungs-meme-route
>2700 gross/1800 net (underpaid by 30% in this area)
>save around 600-800€ a month

only thing that truly annoys me is housing. i currently pay 250€ (shared with gf) but if I wanted to move in a decent flat it would literally double up

>>22808479
>poor people should sit in their cold dark homes and not use energy

wow, much progressive

>>22808511
>2700 gross/1800 net (underpaid by 30% in this area)

so when you guys say this, is the gross before taxes and the net after?
And is this monthly?

because if so then wow you guys are getting screwed, I make $3,500 a month after taxes and I am on the low end of the pay scale in my company.

>>22803810
This. Med women will worship you as a Germanic BVLL. I now go to Portugal every summer and make sweet passionate love to the beautiful sun kist Moorish women.

>>22805964
>>22806040
Wow, unironic cucks. Why do you hate FREEDOM?

>>22808598
What are you comparing?

>>22807821

GKV-WSG
§ 5 Absatz 1 Nr. 13 SGB V
§ 5 Absatz 5 SGB V

kys

>>22808228
>tfw 50% income tax
>tfw 27.5% capital gains tax
>tfw 27.5% tax on dividends

I'm nothing more than austrias tax kettle

>>22809068
https://www.advocard.de/streitlotse/familie-und-vorsorge/gesundheit/nicht-krankenversichert-zu-sein-ist-strafbar-stimmt-das/
keep seething wagie

>>22809145
>>22808972
woops meant this guy

I am se German. I hate my country. I hate my fellow Germans. But still, this is the best democracy in se world. I am Engineer. I don't make 50k a year. I am in good position. Working offshore. Project manager. FUCK BOOMERS. FUCK DEM BOOMER BOSSES. They are the fucking Problem. They don't pay. No matter how much I insist on a raise. Fuck this shit. I want chaos.

>>22809178
N-no problem
May I still seeth?

>>22808511
Whats your long-term goal?
Leave the country? Reach the financial freedom meme till 40 years of age? Get a better paying job? What do you do with the money you save up?

>>22808598
thats in € and yes
gross = before tax/social contributions
net = after

>>22809299
1. unironically crypto
2. my soon-to-be-wife brings quite some money with her. financially I don't think there are any risks as long as I don't lose her. Call me cuck as much as you want lol.We've been together for 10 years now

>>22803669

Go in us faggot, so you get your ass broke even more and you pay even for breath

>>22803765
Of course Wessis look happy. They are braindead nigger mutts who love to suck dick.

>>22803669
Don't you guys have no capital gains tax? Just get rich off of crypto and enjoy

>>22807069
>Good countries to live and work:
>-USA
>-Switzerland
>-Portugal/spain/italy with high wage
Yeah that's about right, mostly USA and Schweiz though.

>Why slovenia, Czechia and Estonia though? Arent the salaries low?
They are, but I just gave them as an example of the most developed eastern Euro countries. Some EE countries are great if you are a business owner because of cheap labour and low taxes (Czech, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, North Macedonia, Estonia, Lithuania) if you can manage with a somewhat slow bureaucracy and sometimes weak judicial systems.
If you're looking just to work as a wagie EE is definitevely substandard.

Germany is a nice place to visit but I wouldn’t want to live there. This shit is fucked.

>>22809413
Nah dude, fuck my gf makes more than me aswell (haskell programmer)
I also just hope crypto can be my way out.
I hold 120ETH, 1 BTC and some small amount of shitcoins, I'm not close to feeling good with that yet honestly.. But it gives a tiny amount of hope in my life.

>>22809263
>I am Engineer. I don't make 50k a year.
How much do you make?
Which branch of engineering?
How much years of experience?
I'm genuinely interested in how much german engineeres get paid compared to elswehere because apparently engineering is best pain in Germany when it comes to EU.

>>22803861
This. Whatever is cheap and empowering = evil.
Yet look at China: parties in Wuhan, less strict mask enforcement, massive coal burning, massive radiation pollution, massive air pollution, all these activist gouros don't give a fuck because they are pro communism leftist fools.

>>22809727
engineers only make good money if they are contracted under union agreements or work in automotive/chemical industry (not mutually exclusive)

>>22809654
ah man, youre doing really well. I only have a fraction of your portfolio unfortunately.

since i didnt answer this part:
>Whats your long-term goal?

getting a job that I can do remotely and finding a nice place in rural bavaria to settle down. Preferably buying a house with my waifus moneys

>>22804450
>Putin encourages enemy to become fascist.
>Putin really smart for doing that.
I'm gonna say no on that. Fascism will take Putin's lunch. The same way China's lunch just got collectively taken.

>>22810039
sounds like a comfy goal dude, godspeed you

>>22810093
same to you brother

>>22804343
When you try to trim the fat, you lose the fucking steak.
A fool and his wealth are quickly separated, someone not foolish would move away from these tax fees. Loyalty to profit/tax havens is all that exists.

>>22803669
you're also paying taxes on unrealized profits from ETFs

>>22804955
Kriegst bei 55k eher 2,5k als Single. Laber kein scheisse hier mit ooh ich habe hier so gut.

>>22807671
fuck you leftist cuck

>>22807619
I disagree. Working for 20 hours and working for 1 hour and idling for 19 hours is very different. Depending on how good you are, you can get into better companies. I'm pretty good, so my flex time mode is 7 hours a day plus break. I can do OT for extra pay, but I don't have to.

Eating out is cheap, streets are clean and safe, convenience stores are open at all times and the women are pretty hot too. It's a pretty nice place to live, but I'm certain you know better from reading shit online.

>>22808304
bei 1600€ monatlich "jammern auf hohem niveau"

unglaublich.

so redet nur ein bescheurter linker.

>>22809263
>democracy

Ministerpräsidentenwahl in Thüringen
>Demokratie

lol

>>22808066
Reskill. At 25 you can basically completely change your career without any major issues. If you don't want to go back to college to study something like medicine or law, you can always get some programming certs or study accounting. If you are in a low-paying job, Germany is not your problem, it's that you are in a low-paying job. Get into a better career and stop wasting your time.

>>22803669
germany is based for crypto taxes though