/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>22468065
4chan /biz/ studies

>>22468065
Private security contractor in static duty, in some shithole country. Scroll 8 hours of biz a day, shoot a few ragheads now and then, get paid a lot. Cons: you might die.

>>22468065
Finance major then day trade for yourself

>>22468065
Scratch off lottery tickets

>>22468065
NEET

>>22468065
Applied math, finance minor. Take one Actuary exam your sophomore year and you're set for an internship the summer between your junior and senior year. There's a 99%chance they'll hire you for full time job if you aren't a complete dumb fuck.

>>22468097
Based

jannie / bachelors of science in biz janitorial services, because I heard they make a shit ton of money

>>22468065
B.S. CS in CAS

TEFL in China

Easy job
Easy girls
Easy to save money
Lot's of travel opportunities.

>>22468169
Why bother getting a finance degree for that lol
>>22468305
Only problem is you need to dedicate all your free time to coding, they will not hire you if you don't know a language.

>>22468065
Anything STEM if you're set on the college route, otherwise you're getting scammed.

It depends on completely on what you like doing and what you find easy.

>>22468574
>S
a meme, coming from someone three years into a degree

>>22468065
High school diploma, Chainlink whale. I basically did an EE degree for fun though only to discover the utter cluelessness of modern science. Their heads are so far up their own asses they don't even know where their fields came from originally.

>>22468065
4chan janny

>>22468065
Maturbation and MMO game theory

>>22468065
None desu. I fell for the computer science degree meme and it was basically worthless. Everything I needed to know for jobs, I learned on my own. Working alongside trannies, faggots, and immigrants was exhausting so now I'm a NEET and just trade shitcoins all day. Life is better than ever.

>>22468646
what is our price target in 2021?

>>22468208
how is that shit cozy?
patent law can be cozy for like 5 hours of work you can make 2k

>>22468574
>STEM
dumb meme

>>22468905
Based. I almost fell for the comp sci meme but didn't feel like doing the math. I'm doing business admin. and finance now, is that comfy?

>>22468574
>S
mostly shit tier lab tech research positions. Enjoy being poor and academically cucked without a phd. Obviously CS are outliers

> T
Wtf is "technology"? Like technologist? Aka being paid half of what engineers make to do the real work debugging and testing their shit

> E
The good one as long as you don't chose a field that put you in exile [ECE / Software masterrace reporting]

>M
They have a chance if they actually apply their understandings to data science or algorithm design. Without application, a math major is fucked

>>22468510
Get a finance degree. Take out student loans. Use loans as starting capital

>>22468065
Engineering. Got my degree last year. Holy fuck, who knew getting a EE job right before covid meant getting 73k a year to play vidya and day trade all day.

>>22469687
Based but I'd need to pay it back assuming they don't default in the next ten years

>>22469703
You don’t have to pay while you are enrolled. So you have 4 years to master trading. Just do the minimum to get Cs (don’t flunk out), start with very small amounts, once you have like 100 trades and a positive return, then you can use more capital. Then you’re off to the moon.

>>22469700
What subfield?

>>22469737
Yes but I'm literally fucked if I lose it

>>22469817
Well just do 100 small trades (like $100 acct) before even enrolling, and use proper risk management. And if you can’t figure it out then it’s not for you

>Major in Penile Fluid Dynamics
>Minor in kneepad development engineering

Fucking FAGGOT

>>22468111
>Private security contractor in static duty, in some shithole country.
Is there any way to secure this gig aside from military/police experience?

I guess what I'm really asking is "how can I can from software engineering to this the fastest?"

>>22468065
Being a twitch streamer with a small but dedicated viewer base.

>>22469912
I'm day trading right now but getting into debt is a big commitment regardless, I may not be as stupid and willing to take on debt like many others my age, too much Dave Ramsey I guess

>>22469959
>I'm day trading right now but getting into debt is a big commitment regardless, I may not be as stupid and willing to take on debt like many others my age, too much Dave Ramsey I guess
I didn't trade w/debt either. You can get enough starting capital that isn't debt by having some sort of skill/business

>>22469813
Electrical

>>22468065
>fell for the economics meme

just fuck my life up

>>22469700
same homie, got a raise to 79k right as I was sent to wfh in march lel

>>22470096
>just fuck my life up
I think I may have fell for the same meme initially. I thought I would pursue econ and be an economist for an MMORPG (lol), but I switched to CS

Now I just make sure that the buttons that bring in millions stay running. I make just less than the most senior individual contributors at Blizzard, for knowing relatively very little about software engineering

>>22470096
>>fell for the economics meme
How would you summarize the econ meme btw?

>>22468065
I work 6 months out of the year in afghanistan watching drone footage and writing reports on what I see. Make over 6 digits. Rest of the year I'm just a landlord of properties and make money trading crypto. 25 no college.

>>22470096
ya i got a BS in econ from a school known for its econ program
job prospects have been absolute shit, am now trying to teach myself to code with little motivation

>>22470193
Reserve?

>>22470193
how does one go down this path

>>22470235
not while making 6 figures you retard, that dude is a contract worker

>>22470096
>>22470171
>>22470215
What's so bad about econ?

>>22470274
>What's so bad about econ?
What do you do with it to profit decently, aside from becoming an I-banker, which is a very unique lifestyle, in addition to the baked in elitism/target school mechanics.

>>22470342
If you want to go the banker route finance would probably be better since you can do more with it to begin with

>>22470193
>>22470235
No I'm contracting for a company that is contracting for the NGA. The path is joining the military and get an intelligence job so you get a security clearance. Do at least 3 years so you have experience under you belt to be hired if you don't have college. Intelligence analysts can get some good money, not super boring work either.

>>22468065
it is not english
>t. not teaching

>>22470373
>If you want to go the banker route finance would probably be better since you can do more with it to begin with
I'm already years into the software engineering world, but I agree with this advice.

What does an econ major do? That is, what other routes are available?

> go to college
> work your way through college
> take out loans anyway
> buy silver/crypto/stocks/whatever you want
> do this every year. lotsa debt
> join army
> reject GI Bill, accept Loan Repayment Plan
> do bare minimum 3 years active in admin MOS
> army pays off loans 33% each year for 3 years.


I did a version of this by buying a car with student loans like 2 weeks before I graduated, but looking back, if I was able to strategize better I could have really taken advantage of it.

>>22468065
none, just NEET

>>22468944
Cozy six figure salary for an undergrad degree and no student debt. It's pretty good. I don't doubt being a patent attorney is nice but it seems like there are way too many hoops to jump through before you're an attorney.

Unironically janitorial work. I have a few offices that I rotate and it's pretty damn nice. Just listen to music and clean. Not even really breaking a sweat since there's never really much of a mess. I've certainly been paid better before before if you wanna talk comfy, this is the best I've ever had.

>>22468169
If you had a finance degree you wouldn't be a day trader

>>22468363
get swallowed by an escalator and fucking die

>>22468363
how to get started?
what accreditation needed

>>22470573
Why not?

>>22470644
>how to get started?
>what accreditation needed
Bachelors of some kind is a great baseline. You just need to pick a country and start looking on google, linkedin, ESL job facebook groups.

Without a degree, you're looking at country-by-country decisions on whether that is a blocker. You'll want to research the countries you are interested in and see what they're asking for.

Bonus points for a TEFL cert, but it's seemingly not necessary in enough places for me to list it as requisite to get started.

>>22470644
Fuck China wouldn't work there

>>22468944
>patent law can be cozy for like 5 hours of work you can make 2k
lol nice bait

>>22468065
Government worker who neglects his job and shitposts all day while putting 100% of his savings into the stock market

>>22471084
This

>>22471084
how get
t. gs05 pathways intern and not converted

>>22468208
is that a double degree?

>>22468065
I very much enjoyed getting my history degree, and now I have a comfy civil service job.

>>22471084
Dangerously based. Government is a joke, I don't blame you.

>>22470644
>>22470900
You can get a tefl cert at the school you wanna teach (which is generally easier bevause schools in non shithole countries prefer to cert you because you basically cant go anywhere else unless you wanna get trained again)
Or some shit 120 hour online one. Doesnt really matter if you wanna go to oceania or latin america or god forbid africa
JET is a great program but you need a real cert and grades to do it. Seoul is open to a lot of stuff but might like credentials more than elsewhere.
Latin america youre basically an illegal and no one cares.

Check out:
DavesESLcafe
Workaway

Those sites will get you started and at least if not teaching for real you could work as a cabana boy or day laborer or something in a place you dont gotta pay to live in. Can usually find a new place every few months or so if you want to leave. Careful on DavesESL. Lot of good opportunities there and a lot of bodysnatchers. Generally if they refuse a videocall with their face showing be very careful.
Good luck anon. And get tsa prechecked. Shits cash when you wanna cut through bullshit lines

Frens, all I need to know, before I proceed any further, is Finance comfy?

>>22471084
This. Government jobs are chill and easy as fuck once you get hired.

>>22469058
>I'm doing business admin. and finance now, is that comfy?

I don't want to ruin this for you but, uh, you've basically sold your soul.

t. man who will trade LINK for SOUL

>>22468065
history/english lit and heroin-addicted ESL teacher living in SE Asia

it's like a warm blanket on your soul

>>22468363
china is shit for ESL, Vietnam is 1000x better

source, 1year in Guangzhou 6 in Saigon, Hanoi, Quang Ngai, Da Nang, Pleiku, Bien Hoa, but mostly the vice filled crevices of Saigon

>>22470644
get a TEFL for cheap on Groupon or photoshop one
get a CELTA if you have money to burn and want to be a real teacher

start looking on Facebook job groups (search like ESL Vietnam/China/Japan or Teach English in _____ (country name) and get an idea what's on the market

I hear Corona fucked everything up tho but now there's probably more jobs if you can get into the market

>>22471290
Why isn't it? Assume that I get a job at a local bank and don't go to the investment banker route

landlords will be replaced by the robots soon. so definitely not a landlord that delegates handling of all his property to a man. sell your house and put your money into not a scam.

>>22471292
Lucky cunt. Idk why anyones suggesting china

>>22468065
Question for fellow /biz/raelis: I'm currently doing a double degree but my only concern is that if I continue on this path I won't go deeper into either of the fields and spend five years doing the bare minimum of both to "achieve" a degree in both. Am I wrong in my thinking? I'm considering going into one, which I think will give me better opportunities in my minors. Can anyone experienced help or guide me?

>>22471381
What are the majors?

>>22471407
mechatronics and comp sci

>>22471415
I thought about getting into mechatronics, it's good. It makes sense but I've heard comp sci doesn't even teach you coding.

Neet
No degree

>>22471428
what do you do?

>>22471475
Oh, I'm studying finance and business as a sophomore. I *wanted* to get into engineering but I'm not committed enough to do the math, I hate having to cram equations into my head let a lone memorize them.

>>22470530
Nice anon, I think military first can work for some people better. Its better I got partying out of my system stationed in europe instead of getting shit grades in college. Also had alot of spare money while in the army to throw at link in 2017.

>>22468065
wfh stock day trader ftw!!!

>>22471338
japan doesn’t need more English teachers
T. sumida bro

Is there any future for a Bachelor in Accounting? Its something I want to get into, but I'm hesitant.

>>22470573
Also this if you ever get hired at a clearing house they literally teach you to forget everything you learned and you basically learn to tape read from scratch by basically a savant

>>22471729
If you want to get your CPA but I heard accounting is soul crushing.

>>22470274
all they teach in university is keynesian economics, which is certifiably wrong.

>>22471729
DO NOT FUCKING GO INTO ACCOUNTING.

LISTEN TO ME RIGHT NOW: DO NOT FUCKING GO INTO ACCOUNTING

I’m a CPA and fucking hate my life. I did almost three years of public accounting and felt suicidal all the time. I recently went into industry and I still fucking hate it. It’s a miserable, MISERABLE profession. Go into finance instead.

I did a degree in Chemistry in leafland. Couldn't get a job. Was split between doing a phd and the learn to code meme.
Now I work as a remote codemonkey. Its pretty comfy. I only need to do about ~5 hours a day. No pressure, 4 weeks vacation, good pay

>>22471819
why does anyone studying accounting? It seems like the most dry, boring thing you could possibly study. If it is just for job prospects why not take CS, math, eng, etc. instead?

>>22471819
What's so much better about finance?

>>22471839
It's a lot easier to learn accounting especially if you aren't good at math than engineering or CS and math obviously.

>>22471338
what was the problem with China?

>>22471840
It’s far more interesting and relaxed. Accounting is soul crushingly boring. The workload and deadlines would make anyone suicidal. A lot of the time I really can’t believe what I’ve done to myself.

>>22471819
you just reminded me of this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ4V3f0UTJQ

>>22471868
compared to what lol unless youre hamsterwheeling at kpmg or some shit I’ve heard it’s pretty cushy especially if you have your own clients

>tfw dad is gonna die soon
>put student loans under his name
>get 12k every semester to trade with that I literally will never pay back.

>>22470086
nice fren. i work with a master electrician.
shit is cake.

>>22471898
It’s not even close to being cushy. You’ve spoken to the wrong people.

Unless you’re doing individual returns (which is at high risk of being automated), you’re never going to have your own clients without slaving away for years in public accounting first.

CS/programming is the only right answer

t. 300k/y

>>22468111
>Private security contractor in static duty, in some shithole country. Scroll 8 hours of biz a day, shoot a few ragheads now and then, get paid a lot. Cons: you might die.


Doing this right now, watching cameras and literally never seen anything since I got that job. Uselessness is a big problem if you have a semblance of human soul tho.

>>22471975
No competent employer will pay a code monkey 300k a year

It's definitely not nursing, even icu sucks and that's just three patients. I want out.

>>22472057
levels.fyi plebian

ngmi

>>22472057
That's not even a good salary in Silicon Valley

>>22472138
don't live in silicon valley faggot, try again

>>22468065
kek

>>22472162
I'm not saying you do or that yours is bad I'm just pointing out to the other guy that 300K isn't necessarily that much for a software dev

>>22472220
u rite my b

>>22472162
You are gayer than you are angry

>>22471269
I did 2 yrs after community college at state university for finance major and financial planning minor. I had good grades 3.4 gpa and felt like I gave good effort. I feel I got lucky with my $19\hr accounting job in the insurance degree.luckily live at home and paid off loans asap so living comfy rn but just seeing how much money is out there and being at $19\hr makes me think I can be doing a lot more. 23 btw. Hope my example can be at least some sort of idea for you. Good luck

>>22472475
I'm attending a CC right now as well. Thanks, good luck to you too.

>>22468613
what major? I'm fourth year chem and I haven't learned anything

>>22472502
Biochemistry, we're in the same fucked boat. If I don't get into med school, I'll probably an hero.

>>22471709
I heard english teachers were the most detested kind of foreigner in japan, is that true?

>>22469952
I was thinking of going to school for SE. Why don't you like it?

>>22472549
just be a security guard.. problem solved.

>>22472475
I dropped out of college second semester freshman year when all this covid shit started, now I’m making $25+ an hour on average including commission for a call center sales job in the telecom industry. Can it really be this easy?

>>22468065
I have a remote software developer job right now that I get to do from my bed, doesn't get much more comfy than that beyond being a NEET altogether

>>22472496
You'll thank yourself in a few years. Came out of college $15k in debt and paid off within 6 months (graduated May, hired July, last payment January). Of course some help financially from parents to be "only" $15k in debt, but I paid all college expenses myself save from groceries every now and then when parents would visit or drop me off.. Anyways, had a good friend go to the more expensive private university for all 4 years because he's smart and you have to go to as prestigious a school as you can right?. he's glad he got the (((social))) experience, but is now probably $60,000.00 at least in loans which at this rate will take a long time to pay back. No job besides part time work.. It's unfortunate but he took a loan so he will have to pay that back at some point or let it be a heavy weight to carry. It's avoidable if you play your cards right but regardless not how you want to start out your young adult years when jobs are hard enough to get with just an oversaturated bachelor's degree unless you know somebody. End of rant hope whoever reads this has gained some insight

>>22472595
Congrats that is good $ per hour. Location may play a factor. Keep improving upon skills before some Indian call center takes your job because they can outsource them for $6\hr. Good luck anon

>>22472712
4 year universities are a scam, especially out of state. CC is very comfy and easy and I don't care much for the social aspect

>>22468203
>>22468905
>>22470535
Based

>>22470086
>>22471928
I was thinking of getting into this, seems like a comfy trade.

Business analyst working from home
>easy work. Devs do all the heavy lifting. You just tinker in excel and Visio.
>only requires bachelors in basically anything. I’ve had coworkers even without a college degree.
>$80-120k in the states
>no real project responsibility. Just have to avoid promotions that change your responsibilities in a big way.

Basically a corporate NEET. Life is comfy as fuck.

>>22472937
How many hours do you work and what exactly do you do? Sounds comfy, I wouldn't mind doing that when I get out

despite never turning a profit i think ill be a failed entrepreneur until death. i just have that mad scientist kind of mind. hopefully something works out so i dont end up a reclusive biological-failure.

>>22470536
You need a lot of exams to get to 100k and those exams are a pain. But once you're done it's pretty cozy if you work for an insurance company, not so cozy if you work in consulting

https://www.dwsimpson.com/salary

>>22472981
I’m a consultant in a BA role so I bill my client 40 hrs per week but probably only work about 7-14 hrs per week. Before being a co sultans I worked a normal 40 hrs in a wagie office for like 3 years which kind of sucked, but I gave time the experience to make six figs now.

A business analyst can work in IT or in the business. If I’m IT, you basically talk with the business leaders to find out what they want in their software, then you write down those software requirements in a way that is clear for developers to understand. If you work in the business, you get subject matter experts into a meeting and ask them questions to document business processes in Visio. Super easy either way.

For the comfiest positions, work for a government, public utilities provider or other large organization with an older workforce. Doing it as a consultant is best as you won’t have any real boss. But being a direct employee isn’t so bad either.

>>22473264
Sorry for the typos. I’m typing from my phone.

>>22473264
have 1.5 years as systems engineer
then fucked around for 1 year flailing on entrepreneurial endeavors
think i can land in a entry level BA role or is that something they recruit out of top colleges

>>22473264
How the hell do you get away with only doing 7-14 hours of work a week for 6 figures? I need a job like this if my business idea doesn’t work out

>>22471819
I’m in my last semester as an accounting major and recently decided I don’t want to get a cpa or work in the accounting field. Any tips of how I would get into a finance related job?

>>22468065
Sperm donor

>>22473341
Also just to clarify i wouldn’t mind working a lot for my own business but I absolutely loathe working for others, I see the work as meaningless hence why I wouldn’t want to work a lot.

Assuming you have a 4 year degree, then a little technical experience like you have is actually perfect. You definitely don’t need to come from a top school. There aren’t really any certain in this field so don’t worry about that. You can spin your startup attempts as passion projects and you’re in, dude. I would shoot for 70-85k starting out at a big, slow moving company. Just learn the lingo on YouTube before your interview.

>>22473382
*there aren’t any certifications

>>22473264
So how do I start off on this if
>business degree
>no work experience

>>22473351
I’m the same way. I could never care about a wagie job even if I tried. But I will poor my soul into making a dollar on my own terms. I love investing and spend most of my time looking for crypto opportunities.

>>22473348
How does it feel knowing your kids are out there being abused by lesbians and single mothers?

>>22473415
For me it is a niche but not really clothing brand the only thing I’m worried about is growing it, I know how to set myself apart but I’m afraid it won’t work out in the end

>>22473400
1) Learn the lingo online
2) manufacture at least some experience. if you have friends who are business owners, get them to agree to say you did BA contract work for them. If not, make up some side projects you did for startups and get some friends to say they owned the startup and hired you. Right out of collage, I did some energy level job for about a year then transferred to that company’s IT department to a BA role.
3) apply to a bunch of BA jobs and practice bullshitting the interview. it’s a common role so there should be plenty of opportunities to get one

>>22471338
I dont have a bachelors degree can I buy one off the darknet?

>>22473438
Passing my genes is passing my genes. Easier than trying to get a girlfriend.

>>22471729
i think the general conensus was that accounting was more useful as a degree over finance unless you go to an ivy league.

t. had a 4.0 in a finance major from a large state school and went to a JP morgan analyst internship interview across the country. the first interviewer didn't look me in the eye for 20 mins and sat with his feet on the table while staring into space.

switched to accounting after that and found way better jobs in my field despite lower GPA (this major fucking sucks to study for). the cap is also a major chore to study for.

>>22472475
>I had good grades 3.4 gpa
it's 3.5+ or bust man.

>>22468594
lmao

>>22471868
>thinks finance has easier deadlines than accounting
Anon I...

>>22475109
maybe if you investment banking

>>22468065
Invest in crypto, get paid to study something comfy like philosophy, never pay a single dime because its both extremely easy and you were born a minority so the state sucks your dick because theyre all cucks, after 7 or so years i'll have a phd and millions in my cold wallet.

Special effects technician. I get payed 155k USD per year to play and enjoy myself and there’s plenty of free travel

Law is kind of a shit degree comfy wise but you learn a lot and it is very applicable, particularly if you get a double degree

Working in HR at the moment and its comfy as hell, hardly any work and coming from a law background I can write employment contracts, policies, deeds for employment disputes so I am instantly 10x more employable and practicable than my HR only colleagues stuck in recruitment hell.

If you find the right size company as HR you can get lots of input into decision making of the business as a whole

ChemE here, I regret studying it and do not advise anyone else to study it.

>>22468065
Accounting can be pretty comfy. I’ve just finished my CPA and closing in on 3 years at one of the Big 4.

Hours were insane (80+ Hour weeks 6 months of the year), but am now talking to recruiters about a few jobs in industry that all pay 100-150k.

Speaking to old colleagues who did the same thing, they never work more than 40 hours and have been working from home for months

Currently an engineering grad working in nuclear. Nuclear is technically government where I am, probably the comfiest job i've ever had. Good pay, minimal work (no one will force you to do more than you want to) and good career progression

>>22475871
To add, my pay is equivalent to $41k (UK sucks for engineering pay) and my monthly rent is $350.

>>22475774
Do you think the people calling accounting soul crushing to be exaggerating?

>>22470641
This genuinely puts me off China only, just imagine the corners that were cut for that to happen. I would TEFL anywhere else but mainland China. Taiwan is what China could be if they acted like a normal first world country.

>>22471213
Nah JET just literally want someone who has any degree, excellent English skills is naive and willing to live rural. From what I've seen, people with the relevant experience and qualifications end up being rejected over unqualified a naive newish grads.

If you aren't naive give the impression you are naive about the working environment.

STEM is a meme, STAY AWAY FROM CHEMISTRY JOBS - I've been working towards a free BSc for 5 years as part of an apprenticeship doing the same jobs as FTEs (on shit wages) for an ever shitter wage. Be prepared to work overtime and overclock your brain to 300 iq to get shit done.

>>22471819
sounds like my kind of thing. sick and tired of all muh "creative problem solving" solutions bullshit that's peddled in engineering fields. I don't want to stay 12 hours in the office to solve unexpected and novel bullshit. I want a 9-5 where I do the same mind-numbing bullshit everyday and don't have to exert any effort.

>>22468065
Being a forester or a park ranger always seem based, but not something you would go to for money.

>>22470549
That seems nice. I used to do afternoons at this huge mall and after hours were always cool because you got to see things after they shut down. The guys who cleaned the food court would show up around 11PM and stay there until I left, they always had music going. A lot of them had developmental disabilities or were very obviously ex-cons, but it honestly didn’t seem like a terrible gig.

We had a floor waxing guy and a vacuum crew, too.

>>22477418
Neglected to mention I was a security guard and before you get any ideas it was terrible and not comfy. It’s like if you took all the people who wanted to be cops but then were dumb enough to pay $350 for a licensing course to earn minimum wage half an hour from the nearest public transit and then gave them cameras to watch each other all day.

One time had an Indian guy who literally weighed 400 pounds tell me entering through the side door with my shirt untucked “made us look bad.”

>>22468913
$50.

>>22477347
Park ranger can actually be dangerous because your dealing with poachers and hunters who are all armed and good at killing

>>22468065
IT security, nobody understands what you do. After 1 year this always lead to literally doing nothing all day.