/biz/ - Business & Finance

It is true CZ follows Hacken CEO...

My erc20 token is useless?

>>22358498
>The VIP-180 token
how 2 buy sirs?

>>22358778
No, but it is apparently supposed to be the same price as the VIP-180 token, but it is currently way higher

>>22358799
OceanEx,bitrue,bitmart

Watch this thread get fudded by VIP-180 HAI token holders because they want to swap at a premium into the ERC20.

soon:

>>22359013
Uniswap version wont get listed anywhere but uniswap pajeet

Already strapped in OP

Why is this in the scammiest looking exchanges i've ever seen ?

Which one is SAFU

>>22359013
Wouldn't they want to pump the price before they swap?

still waiting for the bottom. 1/3 of a penny is my buy zone

>>22359633
not happening fag

>>22359633
KEK

>>22359469
Bitrue is fine

fuck this shitcoin, I lost money on this scam

>>22358498
plz the the name of the third exchange?

Buying the real HAI - the VET180 token on oceanX is pretty much the best play in the world right now

This team is indeed very good at disguising their true intentions, no clearity at all in the telegram channel. It seems like they cause this fog of confusion on purpose. They just wanna ride the defi hype without a real plan to create any ~~additional~~ value for their coin hodlers. They havent even thought through about a sustainable strategy for both coins **(VeChain HAI)**
**(ERC20 HAI)**
before they started developing this bridge.
The only ones that will win right now are the ones that make it to the bridge first.

>>22358498
Pretty much all in, those selling don't know what's coming. Here I'll help, think about the volume and the market cap, what do you think is coming? Do you really think that the whales will allow anyone past the 11th of September to get any of the % market share? Think again.

There's no such thing as free lunch, the whales will be in control of the price and the market share before the second bridge happens where anyone who isn't a lvl 4 Hacken member can bridge over, smart money wins, dumb money gets what it deserves in return. Same story, first come first served. That's why anyone who isn't holding ERC20 Hacken right now will miss out big time. Don't push your luck.

I bought this long ago, sold when it came up, and am buying back in now after it dropped ~50% after the last pump. This is a great long-term hold.

>>22361014
The writing is on the wall, the people holding VeChain HAI are about to get screwed over by the team due to ERC20 big time, sorry not sorry. They seem to be too invested in VeChain HAI to realise that. I agree, the team are making it as confusing as possible fore them to soften the impact. ERC20 HAI is now their flagship coin yet all the old timers are too emotionally attached to VeChain to see that. They've even hired a new marketing department for ERC20 HAI plus a consulting company for guidance.

>>22361028
No one in the top 10 holders has more than 40k, you think they will be able to buy up the weekly 100k dumps? Does the erc token do anything other than give you the right to swap back to the vechain version which is worth 2 cents?

>>22361186
Considering that the team added 600k erc20 HAI to uniswap rather than just doing an airdrop makes me think you are right.

>>22361186
Erc20 hai wont be listed on binance goy

>>22361201
Don't be a smoothbrain, read this and check out the AMA. https://medium.com/@hackenclub/a-new-journey-for-hacken-starts-now-4b7f1c53d33a

>>22360651
https://hackengroup.com/uniswap/

>>22361296
Doesn't matter goy. 1 HAI = 1 HAI

>>22361296
Wrong. Check out their FAQ that's been updated today regarding ERC20 UniSwap HAI.

My last hint for everyone....
Here's a quote from the AMA paper:

"The Uniswap HAI token price will be listed on CoinGecko and CoinMarketCap."

What are the requirements to list something on CoinMarketCap as opposed to GoinGecko may you ask?

CoinMarketCap requires the coin/token to be up and trading on 3 different exchanges before they can approve the application in order to get listed on CoinMarketCap. A lot of Anons don't know that. So the ERC20 HAI is coming to at least 3 different exchanges in order to get validated for a CoinMarketCap listing. There.

Nah just go buy food defi token. Biz doesn't like to make money.

>>22361716
Nah, Food.Defi rugged earlier. Now I am buying Sustenance.Finance. It will surely make me rich.

>>22361559
It is fundamentaly the same token brainlet

>>22358854
they will have different prices i thought?

>>22361970
Not according to the tg admin, they were saying that the prices were supposed to be close to equal. I don't know how that would realistically work though unless there was some sort of arbitrage system set up to swap the tokens on the two different blockchains any time there was a price discrepancy.
Part of the problem is that the team wasn't very clear about what is going on, so now there is a lot of confusion.

>>22362056
The team/admins in tg say different stuff so either they have no idea as well or they are causing confusion on purpose

>>22362056

>>22361559
I JUST GOT BANNED FOR POSTING THAT UP ON THEIR TELEGRAM HAHAHA (Wasn't breaking any rules). LITERALLY FUCKING CONFIRMS IT.

They need the VeChain holders to buy the bait and start providing liquidity to erc20 HAI in order for the big players to start buying which isn't really possible yet. That's why they're so cautious.

They're in need of as much liquidity as possible so they've removed that post to keep the confusion going about which one's the king, to discourage people from going all in on ERC20 HAI for now before everyone from VeChain HAI gets locked in for months as liquidity providers. Cracked the case, even the mod was really impressed with that post, after the compliment he removed everything and banned me.

>>22362451
>With a bit of patience, every puzzle will be completed:)

>>22362516
Actually fucking love you man, no heat ;)

>>22362056
The tg admins are full of shit.They have given so much contradicting information and they ban you if you question it. I've been banned 3 times, on my 4th account.

In my opinion, they're leading people to think Vechain will be the 'main token'.. but 1 HAI = 1 HAI...right? So if HAI vechain gets listed on binance, 1 hai = 1 hai. ERC 20 benefits.

They're moving to Defi. ERC 20 is better for Defi.

Not everyone will be able to transfer their Vechain to ERC 20, only a small percentage, and there's so many hoops to jump through, and it will take months to do so.

Also, they're giving contradicting answers on whether you get Uniswap tokens. First they say no, then say yes. So they want people think they'll 100x their Vechain, when there's so many hoops to jump through, they'll end up just staying in vechain or buying ERC20.

Either way, I think ERC20 benefits the most out of this. That's why they started Uniswap right? What else would be the point to creating an ERC20? They just have to favor their Vechain holders right now.. through

>>22362516
I'm genuinely not even mad for getting banned on there, I had a feeling that my time was almost up haha, was fun whilst it lasted. Just holding tight and on my way to get a new sim

its dumping so hard

>>22362632
>They know

It's also impossible to keep both of the market caps at 1:1 so there

>>22362752
I think that's really what the 1 : 1 means.. the mcaps will be 1 : 1

I'm not sure how the price will work yet. It can't be the same though because of the huge supply differences? I would think

>>22362752
What does this mean?
>they know

I'm so booty blasted by this bullshit. I bought the erc and went to bed. Woke up down so much I'm just going to hold it until the end of time.

>>22362516
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>22362953
100% holding and buying this dip when my ETH clears. Why not? its either gonna 1000x or

>>22362953
Same. I didn't put much in and I was tempted to sell, but now I am curious where this is heading.

>>22361559
HOLY SHIT, I just got banned from the telegram group for asking about this

I didn't even get to the part about the CMC requirements

Something fishy going on for sure

>>22363392
the tg is weird as hell, but i'm stuck bagholding this til i can get close to breaking even

>>22363392
yeah, they ban for asking anything that hints that ERC20 will be the real gold. Otherwise, the vechain holders will lose their shit

>>22363467
really hoping you're right

>>22362947
Inside joke about the mods being all knowing.

>>22362974
Another inside joke.

>>22363513
It may not be today or tomorrow.. but its the only thing that makes sense to me.

>>22362451
I saw this happening

>>22363536
not bad, i needed some time off from crypto anyway

>>22363550
I don't think anyone has figured out how the bridge works lol they don't even know how it works yet.

The mod in the Telegram is an absolute idiot. Don't even bother. Project is legit though.

>>22362953
>>22363040
>>22363392
>>22363434
>>22363467

This is some real 4d chess lads. Basically this is the only thing that makes any sense in my opinion that explains the current situation:

First of all, it's a make or break moment for the Hacken team, I wouldn't be shocked it they put the entire chat on mute the day before the level 4 membership bridge happens.

Why is it a make of break moment? Why is there so little info about the ERC20 token use case? Who can't you discuss the price or where it's heading or even CMC listing etc?

Here's why... they wan't to avoid any large market cap % accumulation before the first wave bridges over on the 1tth Sep (100k tokens and 100 holders will get bridged). Look at what happened to Ample, the whales control over 86% of the supply and it would take them years to correct that now. It would make a lot of sense for them to do what they're doing to avoid that happening and seems like they're doing a good job so far, everyone's in the grey.

Now if you decide to buy a 3% market share of erc20 HAI today then you would own 1.4% of the fully diluted supply once the bridge over has done its done, 1.4% is huge in itself, Hacken are not here to waste time and mess about with DeFi. Remember there can only ever be 3 million max tokens.

That is why they're fully underplaying the erc20 HAI, for now. I get it and I've started to support it. They're making the right moves to avoid a future shitshow.

>>22363820
That's rather bullish for the ERC20 Token

>>22362852
1:1 would make the total value of HAI. So if we borrow the market cap of ERC20 HAI and add the VeChain HAI market cap to it, ti would equate to 1 full HAI m cap.

Now it's impossible to keep both the ERC20 and VeChain market caps equal. One's gonna be bigger and the other will be smaller or even at times by "chance" and not "artificially" as some people think.

That is where supply and demand comes at play, thus the value of ERC20 HAI will be considerably bigger yet the two combined market caps will make up the market cap of 1 total HAI. Think of it as the same "ecosystem", same brand, but different products bring in different value.

>>22363820
Shit, I am tempted to throw another hundred bucks in and DCA

>>22364023
Yeah it's interesting to say the least. They have to do what they have to do I guess. Also think back to what I said about liquidity, they need liquidity. Another reason for the bridge and another reason to keep people in the dark, especially the VeChain HAI holders.

Now, this concerns the CoinMarketCap listing...I've invested in a good amount startups in this space and I've watched them grow. That's how I know what the requirements are for a CoinMarketCap listing. See this: >>22361559

Now, both tokens run on different chains. Ones on ERC20 and the other is on VeChain. In order for erc20 HAI to get listed on CMC they to require separate exchange listings (3 in total) to obtain a CoinMarketCap listing/page and Hacken is no exception to that rule. They cannot be both merged on one CMC page for that reason alone. They both serve different purposes but are under the "same brand" HAI, to help you better understand it.

Despite what anyone says, ERC20 Hai "will" be listed separately and will have it's original CoinGecko and CMC page. Those are the rules.

Hope that helps

Is there something wrong with the Uniswap price of the ERC? I'm doing the math here and it isn't adding up. wtf

>>22359702
Where is OP right now...? 2 posts by this ID

>>22364561
I think he said he switched IP's, IIRC.

>>22364499
What do you mean?

>>22364610
Nevermind, I think that was in a thread last night

>>22362451
WRONG. SO WRONG, They are NOT listing the uniswap version on CoinGecko.

AND

During the last AMA the founder said he couldn't believe the price of the ERC-20 liquidity token pumped so high. He said he made many MISTAKES like that too.

They have confirmed WHOLLY the vechain HAI is their number 1

>>22364687
Well I don't want to speculate too much, but "fag" instead of the more common /biz/ vernacular "faggot" indicated OP might not be from here.

It's entirely possible it's FUD straight from Hacken, not realizing what a bunch of schizo autists we are

>>22364760
So explain this....

https://medium.com/@hackenclub/hacken-to-be-listed-at-uniswap-6ee159de9f42

"The Uniswap HAI token price will be listed on CoinGecko and CoinMarketCap"

>>22364817
>but "fag" instead of the more common /biz/ vernacular "faggot"
Interesting, I didn't catch that.

>>22364760
see
>>22362311

>>22361559
From the AMA: "The Uniswap HAI token price will be listed on CoinGecko and CoinMarketCap."

Also, how the fuck do you expect them to list the "token price" without it having an original CMC page. Expect 2 upcoming exchange listings and serious investors once the liquidity's in is all what I'm gonna say.

100k tokens will be split between 100 people during the first bridge (11th Sep). It's easy for the people who buy now to outdo them on the % share, something that the team is against, see this:>>22363820

>>22364760
I get that you're invested in HAI and wanna be one of the first people to bridge but time will prove you wrong, sorry anon. They pander to VeChain holders on the chat. I've explained why that's the case plus the upcoming CMC listing in a lot of detail. The CMC requirements are facts.

>from estonia and russia

LMAO this just proves this board is full of eastern european scammers. most of them are ruskies with broken english, thats where the pajeet meme comes off.

also why the fuck they mention forbes at their "partner" list and after few mins of reading you notice it's just their mention not partnership

-typical eastern european style, faking it till you making it.

also they mention EU as their "client" but when you look at the map there isnt even half of the EU member countries

>>22365077
>eastern european scammers
Do you not know who Hacken is or what they do?

>>22364869
I'm only saying what he said in the AMA - THE UNISWAP HAI WILL NOT BE LISTED ON COINGECKO

Are you actually this retarded

>>22365077
It's Hacken that we're on about here, one of the most trusted companies in crypto, they've audited 99% of all the recent shitcoins. They're top tier that's why this shouldn't be taken lightly. Anyone who thinks otherwise is making a clown of themselves.

Where do you think Chainlink(Sergey) and ETH(Vitalik) came from? Russia...

Anyway, sounds like you're trying to fud it or you're purely just shitposting for fun. I'm out

>>22365144
you couldn't even defend those arguments,
you read clearly from their website that "team" is three eastern europeans and one of them is a woman.

their offices are located in tallin and moscow.

never trust the soviets.

>>22365298
>you are just going to fud

hi hacken fanboy, you're probably their team member shilling here among the other eastern-european scammers.

so? eth is so last season, real western XRP flare will kill it in the future. no fucking way any western companies will adopt russian product.

BTW if i havn't been clear enough is the bottom line is - The VET HAI 180 is Undervalued afffffffffffffffffffffff

>>22365324
>you couldn't even defend those arguments
I didn't need to because everyone else already knows who Hacken is and why you would have to be a blithering retard to think that they would scam

>>22365237
He didn't say that...I was there during the AMA, just shows that you have hidden agendas because you're holding the VeChain HAI.

People are still confused about that on the chat and the mods will not give you a straight answer, nor could I find one. Any further discussion on that topic gets deleted and people get banned. Plus I've already explained what they've meant by this.

"The Uniswap HAI token price will be listed on CoinGecko and CoinMarketCap."

See:
>>22361559
>>22362451
>>22364308
>>22364876

>>22365324
In which case, never touch ETH nor Link ever again because that's Russian.

>>22365389
Conclusion: you are literally a fucking idiot or you're too poor to buy a nice bag.
If you want to go see a bunch of normies thinking they're early, go join the TrustSwap Telegram. Your IQ will fit right in.

>>22365456
>telegram

hahahah
didnt took long before mad onion-farmer zoomer dmitri came here, probably drunk to protect their shill-campaign.

thanks but no thanks, i'll stay in western products. all the eastern ones are

a)scam p&d
b)stolen from the west
c)copycat of the western product

>>22365415
You're just recycling old 4chan posts on this thread dumb fuck

If i wasn't banned from the hacken telegram by those vermin mods i could clearly screencap you from the AMA where he EXPLICITLY SAID THE ERC-20 LIQUIDITY TOKEN (for the VET-180) WILL NOT BE LISTED ON COINGECKO.

>>22365519
LOL wtf are you even saying. I'm so sorry you have to live like this. What size helmet do you wear? I'm feeling generous.

>>22365546
This AMA anon?

https://medium.com/@wazapepe/hacken-ama-with-dyma-budorin-1-74a6dbc52dcb

https://medium.com/@wazapepe/hacken-ama-with-dyma-budorin-2-48d8d2e77871

>>22365519

>>22365581
post a pic from your wall, i'll bet there's stupid rug hanging. gopnik go eat some pickles and drink stolishnaya

>>22365730
>>22365770
i fucking knew it, this board needs flags, im sure 99% of the broken english speakers are eastern euros. mostly russians. go and drive your lada off the cliff

From the official statement:
>The "limited" supply of the Uniswap token will play a huge role in the price formation.

Shocks me how people still don't get any of it

>>22365844
Don't feel bad for them. They have the highest cancer rates from eating nothing but cured meats (kielbasa, salami, etc.) which destroys your colon. Science will ensure all these faggots end up with ass cancer, and then it'll extra hurt when Satan fucks them in the ass for all eternity in euro hell.

tldr; science > Europe

>>22365906
Ouch.

SCAM.

>>22365906
You should look at amerimutt health statistics, you will be really surprised. Most of you dont even have healthcare and are extremly obese

>>22365845
Lol fucking prove that right now. Find the official statement and post that.

You seem just like another douchebag top buyer who fomo'd into the ERC20 at 3$

>>22365906
A bit rich coming from an American don't you think so mate? Europe and especially the UK is a lot better off. You've got the highest rate of cancer and food related problems in the world...everyone's on meds of some sort, been there and seen it. On the way back from the Kennedy Space Centre, the buss stopped outside of some pharmacy and all the Americans got off the bus & queued up to get their meds, craziest shit I've seen.

Look in the mirror next time you post shit. You're literally the definition of an emotional investor if that's the type of shit that you go off. Do you also believe everything the news tells you lmao

>>22366588
This wouldn't even be offensive if I was American. Try harder faggot.

>>22366461
you think so short term anon. ERC20 buyers are thinking long term.

>>22366588
Well played.

>>22366588
JANNIES BAN. NOT BIZ RELATED. POL RELATED. BAN PLEASE.

>>22366461
It's already in the chat you douchebag. One of your VeChain HAI fanboys posted it. But here it is again, check the pic, read the bottom part.

I guess it's pointless talking to an idiot, I'll leave you to it, have fun. Smart money already knows what's up, whilst you're struggling to grasp what's already in front of you

>>22366690
It's true, i'll ride this short term VeT180 HAI to 10c minimum

>>22366716
good luck when the bridge doesn't work like you think it will.

>>22366697
Thank you my good European Sir. Pardon my offensive comment by the way (the one next to the screenshot). We're gonna make it

>>22366716
Here's how we fix this problem. You get both. You win either way.

>>22358498
Good discussion, bumperino

>>22366782
Lol

>>22366758
Ummm read this, I think the mod who told us that you'll be able to sell today is full of shit and has hidden intentions...maybe he's buying low.

https://medium.com/@hackenclub/hacken-to-be-listed-at-uniswap-6ee159de9f42

Read the whole thing, looks like the bridged tokens will go straight into the liquidity pool...

Interesting points:

"The initial limit of 600,000 HAI at Uniswap means that with every HAI trade and USD liquidity deposits HAI/USD exchange rate will strengthen." - aka price will go up.

See the pic, XRT = Exchange rate.

So basically the mod is full of shit and is manipulating people. Report him to the team.

>>22367968
So basically, the liquidity will go straight to the pool, increasing the XRT (exchange rate aka value of the token).

The mod who told everyone that people will be able to dump either has no idea or a manipulating piece of shit

>>22367968
I'm thinking of adding 2700$ more, but I should have bought at 20cents yesterday instead of waiting an hour till it was 60 cents.

But if I add more, I'm not sure if I'll have the liquidity to pull out within 1 month.

>>22368010
i got banned from their tg for a relatively innocuous line of questioning, their mods are complete idiots who can't spell simple words like "sources"

>>22368255
Same, they're complete idiots. Twitter is laughing at us:

$HAI ERC20 is moving up again. Suddenly they've realised that they cannot buy $HAI vechain to dump on $HAI ERC20, it can only be bridged as liquidity. Still below 1Mill mc for $HAI ERC20 RocketRocketRocket

Going back up get your bags because I’m already up up up on greeny dildos

>>22368255
The proof is in the cake, I guess that's why the top wallets have just been accumulating.

>>22368692
the pudding. the proof is in the pudding

>>22368728
I'm literally eating a cake right now, got my words twisted pmsl

>>22368728
Lol hai only truth

Back at 40 cents

>>22368946
can we make this a $1 waiting room

Sorry 45 cents, what I mean is we’re puuuummmmpppiiinnngg

>>22368969
Yes we can, one dollar on the way might even hit 3 or 4 tonight, with this coin you never know

>>22369015
>with this coin you never know
Now this I can agree with.

>>22369051
Honestly feel like reason I’m gonna make it with this coin is because of the stupid confusion on ver and erc20 lol. Thank god

There's no reason not to buy now.

Worst case, you hold through the swing trading until it moons.

Best case, you hold through the swinging until it moons.

If you're not sure, get BOTH vehain and uniswap.

Does anyone know when the first part of the bridge starts? Afraid to ask the telegram. On my 4th and last account there.

>>22369094
Smart money always wins, looks like we're the lucky few who got down to the bottom of this shitshow. The amount of times I was tempted to just ditch it...

>>22369205
Oh we're on about the ERC20 UniSwap one, that's where all the action is at plus a 600k supply. That's their newly launched DeFi token

https://hackengroup.com/uniswap/

>>22369205
First part starts tomorrow. The 11th of Sep.

>>22369262
does that put marketcap at 300k?

>>22369262
Oh I know. I think I had like 50 posts in last nights thread. I'm just saying, if someone's hesitant, get both. Why not.

Here's another cryptic message that the bridge is only meant to supply the ERC20 coin, but they make it sound like its for Vechains benefit.

"You have just added liquidity and supported the HAI token — we deeply appreciate it! If you have any questions left, please let us know on our official Telegram channel."

Last paragraph:
medium.com/@hackenclub/want-to-support-hai-adding-liquidity-to-uniswap-a-guide-26cea38d4d5e

>>22367968
The mods are absolutely full of shit. Everything they have said, they have said the opposite at some point. To me, they're hiding something.

>>22369277
Yeah we're at around that, plus minus. This needs a $10 mill market cap to enter the top 600. It's easily a top 100 CoinMarketCap DeFi project though. To be in the top 100 you need a market cap of $50 mill. The supply alone will appeal to many.

>>22369354
They are accumulating too

>>22369363
well, god damn

Lel this is gonna be a shitshow, i'm just gonna pack my bags and hodl for a month, whatever happens happens either way I will probably make gains

>>22369528
I have a feeling that someone's gonna loose their job soon. Good rhythm to bad rubbish

Do I have this right?

THE only benefit Vechain holders have is to receive a little passive income when they provide liquidity and their precious Vechain token gets locked..

>>22369816
Well its a step in the right direction. It depends on how much you bridge over so you could me making a good sum if you hold a lot of VeChain HAI, a good long term passive income strategy. It's a step in the right direction and benefits the VeChain HAI holders, the Hacken team seem to be committed to finding new use cases and that's just one of them. So it's up to each individual if they wanna do it or not, first come first serve bases though so the lvl 4 members get priority

now that's bullish
or is it bullshit?
bull is the word

>>22369816
Obviously they need liquidity for the ERC20 HAI to function properly, so those providing liquidity will be rewarded

>>22358498
Bumping for more anons to see

>>22370136
but 99% of vechain holders think they're going to swap for HAI ERC20 tokens and flip when they find out they can't. They literally loaded their bags from day 1.

>>22370925
not gonna lie that's kinda sad

>>22370938
I was there day 1. EVERYONE thought they could do that lol. the mods said "we can't control what traders do" as usual and didn't stop them.

Me dumping on vechain holders when they realize they got owned and try to fomo into the uni pump

>>22371442
wtf is that real

>>22369273
so two days from now? Sep 11th?

>>22369385
How do you know team is accumulating?

>>22371854
Yes anon, literally 9/11, and it looks to me like yesterdays ERC20 token crash was an inside job

We don't know for sure the team is accumulating...yet. But they're a bunch of shifty Russians at the end of the day so we assume nothing less

>>22372045
they mods literally crashed it this morning lol I don't know why though? Where's the benefit of crashing it before the bridge?

>>22372115
To buy low so they can dump on plebs, business as usual for telegram mods of defi coins

>>22371459
No it’s not, the have no fucking clue. Read this: >>22368123

>>22372453
i'm talking about the cat

>>22358498
Im gonna get so fucking rich off these idiots when the bridge goes up

>>22372461
Ah

Looks like they're closing the telegram group to non-members, or something?

>>22373552
Or maybe I got banned somehow, lol

The vechain version will moon

>>22373892
You get it anon

>>22374201
How can the vechain version moon? What is the suppy vs that of the ERC-20 version?

>>22374636

>>22375499
is this meant to be shilling or fud?
also checked

>>22375499
dubs confirm

Let the memes begin

I fucking love you /biz/

>>22376669
Kek no

extremely bullish fud, vechain pajeets gonna rope soon

>>22377469
It kinda looks like the VIP180 is dropping in value as the ECR20 token rises

I have never been less sure about a coin before. Its either a 1000x legit once in a blue moon moonshot, or a scammy piece of shit.

Its either one or the other.

>>22378005
nop

>>22378082
It isn't a scammy piece of shit, it just appears that way because of the tg admins not knowing wtf they are talking about or maybe even deliberately giving misinformation.

I have the ERC-20 HAI but I don't see how it can get to the same price as the VeChain version since there are so few of them. I'm sticking to this one.

>>22380768
BRRRAPPPPPPP