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I don't know man. Generally you want to do the go to college thing and get a deferred enlistement so you can go from college to being an officer. So you can use your degree and retire in 20yrs with a damn good pension in your late 30's. I wouldn't join the army just for student loan forgivness. Need more than that now a days.

>>22285862
Op take the asvab and get a score good enough to get a intelligence job, The 35 series MOSs. Choose whichever one gets you the best bonus, or whatever sounds the most interesting to you. You'll get a top secret security clearance and after 3 years you'll be out with alot of money in your pocket. You'll have the GI Bill and the security clearance can get you a job starting at 70k minimum. It's worth it just to get out of your parents basement/shitty hometown. Godspeed

just get a civil service job postuni anon

>>22286002
>>22286015
Thank u for these i definitely will consider both

>>22285862
Same boat, but I got my degree.
Already swore in, just waiting to go to bct.
You'll be making shit money, and you'll have to put up with a lot of shit. You'll go in as an e3, barely making 2k a month.
Plus you'll be forced to live on base, living with a total randy and having to deal with more shit.
If you go in as an officer, you don't gotta put up with any of that shit.
You have more freedom, you don't have to live on base, you make waaayyy more money, and you don't have someone breathing down your neck 24/7.
Ocs today is a joke, and now with corona fucking things up, bct right now is a total mess and also a joke.
If I were you, I'd get that degree and then join.
Have them pay off your debt, and make fucking bank as an officer.
With the benefits, including bah and the g.i. bill, it's more than you can ask for.
You'd be living very comfortably.

>>22286002
>>22286073
To counter this guy's path, 20 years in the army is not a life worth living, and there's more potential for money outside the military. Also while you're an officer, your job for majority of the 20 years would be administrative(think military/government bureaucracy). Fun for officers is few and far between in the military.

I was enlisted.....don't be enlisted.

>>22285862
>studying biology

jesus fucking christ kill yourself idiot. what a waste of time

>>22286216
Yeah... its not good but I didnt know better. Im also studying computer science so Im hoping I can get a job in biotech because that field is probably going to really take off in the next couple decades

>>22285862
>Those mutts
I hope we decide to do something stupid like invade iran so that we can clear out some of this genetic filth.

>>22285862
All the shots you're going to get in Basic will give you chronic mudbutt and adult onset autism. Enjoy, faggot!

>>22286278
wtf I didnt know about this
Im very anti vaccine
well

>>22286100
Do they look at your gpa or grades?

>>22286342
Joining the Army is no different than going to prison for a few years. You lose your dignity and your brain power. Some of your soul. Baggage. Your brothers are garbage and/or as lost as you are. If for some strange reason you're not miserable then everyone around you will be.

>>22286342
If you're an antivaxx in some kind of anti establishment way of thinking while also looking to join the military, you're a absolute retard and have no hope. You'd be directly working for the government

>>22285862
>1 mick, 3 mutts
oh say can you seeee

>>22286342
>>22286467
And if its because you don't agree in a anti-science kind of way while also trying to get a degree in biology, you deserve to be driving postmates for the rest of your life.

>>22285862
Don't join the Army, join the Air Force. They'll treat you better for the same exact pay, though you're still treated like shit during training. Also, looking into joining the guard if your state provides decent benefits.

>>22286622
chekd. OP air force or coast guard and try to be an officer faggot

Armytard here, I did dual enrollment and got my AA degree but didn't have the money to finish it. I joined at 19 am 21 now. Honestly it was the best move i ever made and i don't think I will go back to college. Really just depends on your MOS. If you ever join look for 88L, it's my MOS but its really nice. I plan on being a warrant officer, no degree needed all that is required is the school they pay you to go to. Good luck fren

the soldier is the biggest idiot and coward there is and becomes a double slave, taking orders without questioning, fighting to enslave himself and home even more and lied to about the real reasons he is fighting in the first place.

>>22286651
What kind of dumb nigger joins the Army to work on boats?

>>22286546
>anti-science
just saying something is anti-science does not make that thing anti-science

>>22285862
Nah, thats for suckers and losers

>>22286737
the army has a large fleet of seagoing assets which are basically risk free posts lol.

>>22286342
In the army you get shot with everything regardless of your medical records. You will get all the old vaccines you had as a kid too (+ the new ones).

Don't forget your anthrax and "peanut butter" (Penicillin) shot too.

>>22286188
Being mostly in administration is good thing in my book. Less risk of getting shot

>>22286764
Disgusting.

>>22286264
>>22286412
>>22286717
>>22286737
>>22286756
Op all these people have no idea what they are talking about. If you join to do an intel job(or anything administrative) besides training, it be more or less the same as having an office job for 3 years. The anons telling you to also look at airforce are correct, they do have better living standards. I just said army cause that's what I did and they have more money and job options to throw at you.

Anon, I think you should finish your degree and attempt to go to OCS, preferably Army but any branch will do. (with a stem degree you may be more viable for Space Force, as well)

I did Army OCS after graduating college in 2009. Instead of GI Bill, I chose the Loan Repayment Plan. So, every year they paid off a third of my loans , for three years. I also only owed 3 years obligation due to OCS' commissioning source.

I stayed in 8 years total and made Captain. Was clearing about 94k a year when I got out. What is interesting, is that after my obligation ended and I didn't resign, I slowly began accumulating Post 9/11 GI Bill. I left about 2 weeks after it maxxed out.

Now I went back to school, got a second bachelor's from a private university, and I am entering their graduate program in just a couple days.

Get degree, go OCS, choose LRP, stay in and get GI Bill. You're going to want to go officer no matter what. Bless the enlisted, but if you can get a commission it's completely worth it.

Plus if you stay in long enough they usually will send you to graduate school while making Captains pay, I know a buddy who got the army to pay for grad school and now a phd, and he will probably teach at west point or the naval academy at some point before he's done.

>>22286820
While true, you have to contend with the worst the military has to offer. The lowest skill dumbest recruits do the office and "intel" work, for the most part. Hopefully you're directing some good 'ol boys and not diversity hires.

>>22286951
"Intel" requires the highest ASVAB scores of any jobs even Special forces and is full of mostly people with degrees or some college. Most intel offices will have liguists whom the army taught a language to. The army is not sending the dumbest people to do shit like that. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about or even what "intel" is. OP Intel is Intelligence agencies like NSA, NGA, DIA..etc

>>22287086
You're not smart.

>>22285862
>>22286015
This is it OP I'm intel in the AF and when I get out with my experience and ts clearance I can basically go work for any three-letter organization or anything in the private sector making good money. Just don't let your recruiter fuck with you at all it's your future.

Did army for college money

> young and stupid
> Ranger
> badass training
> college paid for
> degree in Mathematics
> pretty good corp job, consulting
> own nice house and car, good life

Friends from back then are mired in college debt or working dogshit jobs.

Would do it again BUT would have looked for cool job like intel or linguistics. Would absolutely join space force.

Go to trade school. For christ sakes. Learn to be an electrician or steamfitter. Hell even repair a fucking elevator. Don't join the army and don't go to college.

>>22287156
Congrats on the good life Ranger

Don't do it anon. Be free. The military is a scam. Sign for a few years and the next thing you know you're married with kids and cucked into staying until retirement. I've seen it happen too many times to count. Luckily I'm autistic as fuck and can't get a girl to fuck me even if there's nothing to do in the middle of the ocean for months on end.

>>22287220
Doing it until retirement is only 20 years. Where else can you work and get free room and board paid for and then retire at 38 debt free with a house, and schooling if you want, top of the line insurance, and a paycheck for the rest of your life to sit on your ass watching anime? Shit, after you do your time you can expat to Cambodia or Costa Rica and live fairly high on the hog while still young enough to enjoy life. It don't matter how autistic you are you will get peepee sucks every day as retired burger ex-military. Probably even get anal, they won't want to even risk losing you, basically the lottery ticket to ezmode life.

>>22287452
These guys I see about to retire look like death. They're almost always bald, with sunken eyes from a fucked sleep schedule. In my eyes they gave their entire youth for a few grand a month; in most cases they have to share it with their dependents, and they might die just a few years afterward because of the invisible toll it takes on your health. You're absolutely right about the benefits, but I don't think it's worth it.

>>22286015
Thats fucking trash

>>22287452
I've never seen or met a lifer that wasn't fucked up in some way. Maybe they all just go in messed up and that's why they stay.

>>22287583
If you mean the 70k, I said its the minimum. A 70k job would be something completely entry level and not what you did while in the military. If you get out and want to do the same thing you have already done for the past 3-4 years in the army, you can get a better salary. If a company/agency sees you already have years of experience in the job you can get well over $100k. Knew a girl who got kicked out for being fat and got out making like $110k doing imagery analysis in georgia. It was the same exact job she was doing at the office, was only 21.

>>22287794
Except many times jobs won't take your experience. Not sure if your story is true but I'd believe it since the world runs on dumb.

>>22285862
College and the ARMY are both horrible things to do.

At least college you can smoke weed and bang roasties after you show them your NEC balance.

>>22286412
The Army is nothing like prison. Prisoners don't get badass gibs when they get out either.

>>22287156
>Would absolutely join space force.
Actually, if you live in the Colorado Springs area, Space Force is hiring civili servants for acquisiiton jobs like a motherfucker.

Not the most competitive pay, but awesome benefits package and you get treated VERY well. A GS11 in Colorado Springs is doing pretty good.

>>22286073
To further add to their posts, join the air force or the navy. They take care of their people, in the army or marines they treat you like shit and you don't get a secured future

>>22287846
I'm just talking about intel jobs. In that story the girl was using NGA accounts and had been trained on all of their sytems. Its not dumb that she would get a job she already proved she can do and had been doing it. For the 35S, 35N, and 35P MOSs, you will be working on NSA accounts and NSA systems your entire time. Its not dumb that they would take your experience since you're more or less working for them while you are in.

>>22287994
It's dumb they'd hire her when she got booted. Plus fatties are awful employees.

>>22288054
Oh i definitely agree, Intel agencies/contracting companies don't have anti-fat standards sadly

>>22286188
This man knows

>>22285862
>studying biology
retard, ngmi

join the army and be fodder so you can be a useful boy

>>22287993
>>22286073

One thing the army does have going for it is that there is no lack of training. If you want a school bad enough, you'll get it.

So take that for what its worth.

>>22285862
Don't do it. Military is a mistake. It sucks you in and gets harder to get out of the longer you stay in.

>>22285862
I was in the army for a while, its not worth it especially when you get out and want to make money or go to school. Everyone else has a huge headstart on you because they got it out of the way early. Unless you do 20 years in the military and get paid dog shit and almost die a few times to your own dudes being massive retards. Honestly you would make more money of an associates if you find the right job, and you will also have your agency intact. You will also spend most of your time picking grass out of the cracks of a motor pool while some asshole who has been doing it for years watches you do it. Then you deploy and come back and wonder wtf it all meant. I got lucky because when I got out chainlink rolled out and now im living pretty comfy.

i got 96 on asvab (highest is 99)
originally wanted to do intel but couldnt pass a polygraph if they wanted one
if you didnt do drugs or lie on the forms then top secret would be nice

>>22288649
Same but I was colorblind so a lot of the jobs I wanted to do were closed to me. I ended up doing 13b and they're the most retarded branch in the army.

>>22285862
2 years? Go airforce

>>22288718
Honestly I wonder if coast guard is more worth it. WTF do those guys even do all day?

>>22288676
good job. i did 15 series. mostly slept in the back office. it was national guard tho. thats a good option for other poor people. only sets you back 1 year, then you get free college in most states.

Don’t die for israel

>>22288747
God I wish that were me. I wanted to go warrant and fly but you gotta see fucking color to do that...

>>22288649
I got a poly and it was actually pretty basic. I was uncomfortable but it was counter intelligence stuff like "have you commited any treason or sabatoge of government instruments?". Keep in mind they give you a poly while your are training and have never been given any secrets or used any real software/systems. The poly the military would give would only be for select intel jobs and would never be super personal stuff like drugs/prostitutes/depression.

>>22288865
i believe it. but i couldnt risk it with no other options to pay for college. couldnt get a definitive list of questions online. if they ask you 'did you lie on sf86' well then its all over.
>>22288774
most dangerous job in the army but to each his own.

>>22285862
getting coivd in bootcamp isnt a good idea

Imagine going into the service just to be surrounded by men. Sounds gay to me.
Be me
>graduated hs
>went to tradeschool to be a lineman
>finished in 10 months
>got bidded on for 170k for my first year
>been doing this for 12 years now
>retired
>fucking bitches
>smoking weed
>passive income $200k/yr
>wakes up and gets paid not to killself
>fucks more bitches

You
>join military
>surrounded by nogs
>gets shitty 35k/yr (probably more idgaf)
>goes to college
>gets 70k/yr
>retires at 65
>still hasn't made it
>still gay

Hahahahahahahahahaha

>>22289345
Yeah, no, linemen start at ~60k these days.

>>22286467
It's not a question of being against vaccination, there serious inconsistencies with the how deadly covid-19 is, compared to the steps being taken to prevent harm from it. Also there are disparities between how anti lockdown protests and race protests/riots are portrayed and treated by the media. Such inconsistencies are include how antilockdown protesters at the beginning of the year were accused of causing more spreading of the virus while those involved with rioting/looting/protesting of race issues were apparently not doing anything wrong because they "were outdoors", or "asymptomatic carriers aren't known to be infectious".

The US is about through some difficult times, and it may involve the military and people like you making difficult decisions. With the views you, based on the posts you've made, that concept concerns me. If people have other avenues to up skill and/or gain employment that bypass the military, then those are things they should consider.

>>22285862
Yes but go Navy/Coast Guard/Air Force. Don't risk the Army/Marines because you might have to do combat, it is not worth it

>>22289345
>claims his starting pay is $100k more than the median
>larping as a tradie retard
NGMI

>>22285862
If you want to be thrown into the meat grinder of WW3, then by all means, join the military.

>>22285862
>I've already decided Im not going to go back to school
Finish your fucking degree man. Look up Nietzsche's theory of Will to Power. That's exactly what you are doing right now.

>>22286929
This.

>>22287553
I know someone who spent 12 years. Retired with his gf, drove a camper van all over C and S America for 18 months and is now in grad school.
He is set for life on his army pension after 12 (he was a captain).

>>22285862
well, considering education these days is a joke and your degree will be worthless and youd still end up like a overqualified mcdonalds workers, id say its probably better to join the army if you think you have what it takes. otherwise your degree is just a shit piece of worthless paper that is only good for stroking your ego and making your into a arrogant low paid mcdonalds worker that thinks hes smart but his situation proves he isnt lol

>>22289345
So because you have more money automatically means that you are the better person with the more fulfilling life?
>I smoke weed every day derp. I am winner!