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0.1%

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>>22278356
>>22278366
between this two somewhere

>>22278441
so youre saying theres a chance?

>>22278332
Some very powerful dark forces have recently increased this possibility dramatically. Reality is still forked. Exercise caution

>>22278332
only bsv scales so it's literally 100% at this point
btc and bch are fucked

>>22278517
https://medium.com/@kcalvinalvinn/eli5-utreexo-a-scaling-solution-9531aee3d7ba

>>22278538
Bcash team is dunning kruger, they forced the bsv fork with very naive approaches to “fix” scaling like CTOR and utreexo.

Piece of shit McCormack has been silent following exchange of disclosure lists on 4 September 2020, so good chance.

>>22278332
zero

>>22278332
100%

>>22278332
It's the same number of court cases he has won, 0.

>>22278332
that he was part of satoshi? 99.9%
that he was the sole person behind the satoshi moniker? 0.31%

Regardless, bsv is pretty damn cool, spent the weekend studying it and they got so many libraries on top of it now it's great, with wallets/apis like moneybutton and relayx and libraries like the unwriter collection, plus fucking scrypt, which basically brings high level solidity-like scripting to bitcoin (sv).. i predict the sv ecosystem is gonna explode soon

>>22278538
so how does that help with scaling
i'm not technical but it seems it will only proliferate more worthless basement pie nodes

>>22278480
he is one of the 3 billion human beings with access to computers. so at least 1 in 3 billion.

>>22278332
200%

>>22278517
>only bsv scales
it's what mental midget techno barbarians think

>>22278332
0%

>>22278501
say more pls

>>22278332
about 100

>>22279645

Ok here's the crypto clear pill. Craig Wright is unironically a time traveller larping as Satoshi. Truth is, in his future timeline they never discovered who Satoshi originally was. But the AI that lived in the blockchain evolved to the point of singularity by late 2020. It discovered time travel by 2025, and only the largest miners were able to afford the required amount of transactions to power the needed on-chain calculations. But Craig Wright you see, was the greatest con man the world had ever seen. He was able to con his way into leading a team of developers that worked for one of the largest BitCoin miners by 2028. He was determined to use the power of time travel to go back in time and invent BitCoin himself, becoming Satoshi as he'd always dreamed of. He hacked his way into the pool's cold storage wallet and unleashed his shotgun script that opened up millions of payment channels to every miner on the small world network, maxing out their calculating capacity as global commerce ground to a halt. When the portal opened and he stepped inside, he forked reality and launched a new event chain, placing himself in the year 2008, in a small farm in rural Australia. He opened up MS Word, and began to type. The words flowing like water from his autistic photographic memory of that paper he studied so many times.
>Bitcoin: A peer to peer electronic cash system

>>22279676
this is somehow less delusional than what most bsv fags say

>>22278883
this. I bought most of my stack at ~55$ but will increase my holdings now at these prices. Most people in crypto are brain damaged, it is pretty easy to pick the future winners if you are willing to put in the time.

N

>>22278332
bout tree fiddy in 2^256

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The real Satoshi is Paul Le Roux. It only makes sense.

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>>22279874
correct. Most people here are blind and have no idea what's coming, which is great and it's sv strategy, focus on building rather than ponzi marketing. This allows us to accumulate at suppressed prices, while a lot is being built daily on sv... once the mainstream notices we will already be at 20x+ current prices.
As e can see from this thread people are still caught up in the satoshi debate smoke and mirrors and not even seeing how this ecosystem is exploding. Literally we are nearing the point when every single eth smart contract can be easily ported to sv, while at the same time social media like twetch, streamanity, powping, tocial.. are growing non stop... great time to invest

Chances are:
Adam Back - 33%
Hal Finney - 33%
Nick Szabo - 33%
Ian Grigg - 1%
Craig Wright - 0%

>>22280125

>>22280224
So you really think it's Craig?

>>22280408
it was a group and craig was part of it, this was known since craig got hacked and outed in 2015. Putting people like adam back and nick szabo at anything higher than 0% is laughable.

>>22278332
100%

>>22278480
Absolutely

>>22280125
>>22280408
>>22280466
Satoshi wanted digital cash - Adam wants e-gold
Satoshi wanted scaling on chain - Adam wants tabs and lightning
Satoshi wanted big server farms - Adam wants raspberry pis
Satoshi wanted micropayment capability - Adam celebrates high fees
Satoshi wanted instant payments - Adam disabled it
Satoshi wanted a protocol set in stone - Adam fucked the protocol beyond recognition
Satoshi wanted Gavin to carry the torch of Bitcoin forward - Adam kicked Gavin out

Satoshi wanted digital cash - so does Craig Wright
Satoshi wanted scaling on chain - so does Craig Wright
Satoshi wanted big server farms - so does Craig Wright
Satoshi wanted micropayment capability - so does Craig Wright
Satoshi wanted instant payments - so does Craig Wright
Satoshi wanted a protocol set in stone - so does Craig Wright
Satoshi wanted Gavin to carry the torch of Bitcoin forward - Gavin testified that Craig Wright was definitely the person behind Satoshi

Did it click yet? 1+1 = 2

>>22278332
he's not so you cultist bitshit v posters need to stop making this thread every few days with this trash. craig faketoshi refuses to sign thus proving he's not nor has ever been satoshi.

But cling to your lies culty

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>>22280565

cope harder. based aussie is satoshi.

>>22280534
yup, it's really that simple to anyone with over 110iq,
but most of this board can't even do 1+1

>>22278501
Based and mandala pilled

>>22280625
shut up dumb nigger

sirgay is satoshi niggz

>>22280885
Fatoshi Betraymoto

>>22280534
let's just wait what he says after his 20 years in prison shall we?

>>22280466
>craig was part of it
he couldn't even fetch satoshis coffee is this a fucking joke?

>>22281348
very funny, so all his verifiable patents, degrees, companies, employees... it's all a ruse right?

what an amazing conman, you should short bsv now

>>22281404
>it's all a ruse right?
you finally figured that out?

>>22278332
-101%

It’s Elon

>>22281476
damn, better short bsv now, go go go

>>22281531
i would but it's not listed on mex sadly

>>22281569
as a friend, id suggest switching away from bitmex, during bitcoin forks they wouldn't give people their forked coins, pretty scammy

>>22278332
I'll just leave this here...

https://youtu.be/aWix77CEcFg

>>22281742
yes anon, that is called a "joke".
I understand it might be hard to comprehend the concept of irony and jokes but hopefully you'll get it with time, i believe in you

Very high desu

>actual dead project

>>22281898
Kek nice cope pajeet

>>22282182
The corecuck propaganda is getting worse lmfao

>>22282303
yea its pretty funny, btc miners sometime mine a block with zero transactions on bsv (cause they are scared their rasbpi cant handle the tps), and then they claim "look bsv has zero tps!" while i have been transacting non stop on bsv all day baka... totally zero tps guys, nothing to see here

Seeing as every paper he ever wrote is plagiarised, I would say that there are less than zero chances that he is Satoshi lol.
He's just a conman selling digital snake oil to the "believers". Pretty sure that if he was born in a different time he would do the same thing but stealing/ plagiarising from other inventors.
1920's CSW? Stealing from Nikola Tesla. 1680's CSW? Stealing from Isaac Newton. 2020 CSW, stealing from Satoshi, and so on.

>>22278332
-1% chance with a 1% margin of error

>>22282407
Slander and lies.
CSW is a genius and was at the very least one component of the Satoshi team. You corecucks are obviously scared and you absolutely should be. Because:
>>22282303
TICK TOCK COKEKEKS

BSV holders get poorer and poorer lmao suck shit

>the person satoshi handed the project to believes craig wright is satoshi
https://youtu.be/pNZyRMG2CjA
>0%
kys shills

>>22278332
Couldn’t Satoshi be more than one person?

>>22282953
BSV isn't for you. Furfaggotry will be strictly forbidden in the citadels.
>>22282963
Basically this. The muh faketoshi shills completely ignore bitcoin's well-documented history
>>22282996
He was. Craig was part of that group.

here's some more dumb shit for you retards to reply to
CSW is a fat scammer and his project is a joke, and of all the crypto projects you could buy this choice puts you in the bottom 10% of retards in the market, congratulations HAHAHAA

>>22283030
>Furfaggotry
>Abortion groyper
kindly abort yourself, tranny scum

>>22282963
extremely based picture, should be spammed here daily

>>22283073
even craigs own mum said he was full of shit kek this is the man you put your faith in.. Sad!

>>22283115
>The tranny shill spews more disinfo while feigning concern for anon's financial well-being
Pretty sad playbook you have there

it's all in here, vitalik hosts an archive of proof that craig is a fat chucklefuck
https://github.com/vbuterin/cult-of-craig - very comprehensive!
the story about his mum is here
http://archive.fo/kjuLi#selection-1655.0-1655.118
this enrages the BSV tard

>>22283324
>https://github.com/vbuterin/cult-of-craig
based
archive of evidence for lawsuits

>>22283324
>If I provide a link to slander and lies, they must become true
This is what CSW-derangement syndrome trannies unironicaly believe. I hear the ADL keeps a list of shit they think is kvetch-worthy as well. You guys should team up.

>>22284034
b-but it's on github, it must be true!!!! REEEEEEEEEEE

Sushi Nomi is Satoshi boys

So here's the real crypto bluepill:

Craig Wright is unironically not Satoshi, the real Satoshi Nakamoto always wanted small blocks and segwit, "Peer to peer electronic cash" was simply a purposeful mistranslation of the Japanese. Blockstream - funded by Bilderberg group - saved Bitcoin by refusing to raise the 1mb block cap, preventing the blockchain from becoming cripplingly large. If they had not done this the blockchain could be as large as 500gb today meaning that Bitcoin node operators would have to upgrade from 500gb hard drives and pay for more storage space, ultimately leading to financial ruin and the death of the network.

Bitcoin as a store of value was just the first step, Blockstream is releasing the full version of the Lightning Network in 18 months, this will lead to a revolution in digital gold and decentralisation by routing all payments through Lightning banking nodes off-chain, this is why Blockstream is so intent to lower the block size to 300kb to incentivise adoption.

Back to hash power, as the price and adoption of BTC increases the blocksize will be gradually reduced to 0kb, closing off the blockchain completely, this will move all transactions onto Layer 2 (Layer 3 and 4 are also in development). With all transactions off-chain the greedy miners will have all their power removed and we will never see another hardfork ever again like the hard forking of 'Bitcoin Cash' and later 'Bitcoin SV' by the fraud Craig Wright (they have their own competing blockchain in the works), this will render the BTC protocol completely free from big blocker influence under the tight but decentralised fist of Blockstream.

>>22284178
>tight but decentralised fist of Blockstream

>>22284178
bravo nolan

>>22278332
>0 tps
imagine being so fat and so australian that you destroy your coin and no one uses it.

>>22284335
>Being so desperate you resort to blatant and not even remotely believable lies
How is the weather in Tel Aviv this morning, Shlomie?
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-btc-bsv.html#1y

>>22284335
Posting disingenuous screenshots is not gonna make your crappy investment magically worth more.

cope harder.

>>22278332
JUST

0. But have him waste more time, money and reputation. It takes one signed message and craig is going to suicide

>>22284459
why hasnt the real satoshi outed him yet then?

hmmmmm, so weird

>>22284425
>>22284421
t. triggered calvin niggger whores

>>22284505
>Still no argument so automatically reverts to spitting venom against an imagined BSV rogues gallery that lives RENT FREE in his own sad little head
This is an advanced stage of CSW derangement

>>22284475
So he wastes more money, time and reputation on digging his hole deeper. How should I know. But why didn't craig just sign a message, should be easy if he is the inventor of bitcoin

N

hal finney is 100% satoshi. diagonosed with ALS in 2009, handed over the project in 2011

>>22284671
you are making good steps, now try to think about it a bit more and it will be clear why he would have no incentive to sign a message at this point in time, if you put yourself in his shoes, the reasons not to sign vastly outweight the reasons to sign:

1) in 2015 he was hacked and extorted for his bitcoin, if he signed it would have just proved he had access to the coins and open him up to further extorsion and threats
2) if he signs, price of btc would probably start going down so he would reduce his ability to sell btc at high prices
3) from what we know from the court cases, according to the tulip trust documents he is not supposed to be in control of the satoshi coins private keys. Either this is true and the trust has the keys, not him, so he cannot sign. Or if it's false, and he still kept a copy of the keys for himself, then the trust would be void, meaning legally that he actually had control over those bitcoins so he exposes himself to tax liabilities

>>22284829
hal might have been part of the satoshi team, though most people deny that, the thing i find curious is that dorian nakamoto was his neighbour, which could explain coming up with the nakamoto moniker

>>22284887
so much evidence around hal finney being him. he was literally the first transaction. if you created a cryptocurrency wouldn't you make the first transaction to yourself? yes. he probably had two computers side by side and tested it.

>>22278332
>he’s Craig satoshi

>>22284956
>if you created a cryptocurrency wouldn't you make the first transaction to yourself?
not sure about that, if i really cared about anonimity and was scared of governments like satoshi seemed to, i don't think i would have done that, which points to hal being an early joiner but not satoshi himself imo

No..
He's not the Satoshi that people wanted, at all.

So it doesn't even matter.

>>22284956
>if you created a cryptocurrency wouldn't you make the first transaction to yourself
No, the whole point of a transaction is to have a counterparty. If you are testing a an digital money, your want to do the transaction with a remote counterparty.

I read all CSW post in cypherpunk.

He is satoshi.

>>22278332
negative zero

>>22278332
What are the chances that if my grandfather got titties he would be my grandmother?

>>22285109
you sound like a pic related

>>22278777
FUCKING CHECKED

>>22278332
0
if he was then he could prove it instantly using the genesis address
>it's unironically more likely that sergey is

>>22278332
0%

>>22287392
>sergey makes bitcoin
>disappears with millions of it
>comes back and makes a shitty erc token in 2017
>proceeds to funnel it into binance
yeah i'm gonna say no

>>22287392
it's crazy you guys think this an argument you should be making. The absolute desperation

>>22278332
0.002%

>>22284421
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionvalue-btc-bsv.html#1y

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/mediantransactionvalue-btc-bsv.html#1y

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/activeaddresses-btc-bsv.html#1y

>>22285098
Adam Back. All makes sense when you dice into Blockstream, who invested in Blockstream, and Adam's btc talk posts. Hal helped. That is all.

>>22288165

>what are micropayments

>>22289254
“Micropayments” are 0.000001 cent transactions Craig spams to pretend people are using his network.

>>22278332
About the same odds that im Satoshi...

>>22282303
>not counting ln trasnactions rofl

>>22278517
Why does it even matter? If we're going by tech alone then xrp is better than all these shitcoin. But it's not, BTC is first to market so it has a giant leg up. But nobody fucking uses it, nobody wants to use it. Funny Craig goes on all the time about how we need regulations and to he accepted by the government, and he's right. But what has he done on that? He's wasted all this time just trying to get verified as satoshi. Being verified as satoshi does what exactly?

Easy, 50/50 - he either is or he isn't. Simple.

>>22289774
it matters because it is the only crypto with ANY chance of being adopted and isn't just some scam to enrich the devs or launder money and they have at the very least met with US/UK and swiss governments or central banks

>>22290009
Yeah xrp is far better if that's what you care about

>>22290040
it's not better for what i care about. there is no better than bitcoin yet. your metrics may be biased to see something better simply because of on chain tx/s or smaller blocktime or more complex smart contracts.

but what bitcoin is really about nothing does it better.

>>22290079
Then what is bitcoin really about? Because it doesn't do what the whitepaper describes it as, the only thing making leeway with banks and regulators is xrp, PoW is outdated shit that's bad for the enviornment, you could go on here in the ways BTC is inferior. It feels like some of you put it on a pedastal, no doubt the number will continue to go up in the future but as far as utility goes it's really nothing.

>>22290163
>Then what is bitcoin really about?
it's the only trustless permissionless publicly auditable and secure ledger that reaches byzantine fault tolerant distributed consensus in human history that can not be confiscated or stopped at any border.

>>22290040
lol
xrp is a another printed out of thin air scam
the devs just awarded themselves BILLIONS and are continually dumping it on your dumb ass
at least bitcoin has to be mined first

>>22290163
>as far as utility goes it's really nothing
hmm... let's put it this way:
a single lightning payment channel can do 25k tx/sec and you can make almost 150k of them per day which puts bitcoins testbench throughput to around 3.75 billion tx/sec after first day of doing so.

taproot is coming and it's a multiplier on layer 1 and layer 2 capability, pruning is coming that will reduce the burden to run a full validating node from 300gb to about 4-5gb opening up the possibility to increase the layer 1 capacity while reducing global burden not increasing it.

curry cashie techo barbarians are trying to brute force everything they just don't like intricate and smart technical solutions.

Militant BSV fagboys are so annoying and smelly, not much can be heard of them in 2020, though

>>22278332
chances are better that LOKI is legit desu

>>22290163
>PoW is outdated shit that's bad for the enviornment
actually the opposite is true. bitcoin could actually save our planet from much of the pollution occurring today. it would allow us to build overcapacity from sustainable energy sources like renewables and nuclear and store the excess economic power as bitcoin mined with the energy when producing at over capacity.

the problem with this is there is no way today to generally conveniently store energy it's very limited in capacity and geographically but this would allow countries to skip the coal and gas buffers responsible for 50% of the greenhouse gasses and much of the pollution and simply purchase energy from their neighbors when running undercapacity and mine bitcoin when they can't sell their overcapacity on the market.

>>22290283
lol no

>>22278332
less than any other random person

>>22289372
Keep telling yourself that fren

Since this thread is filled with BSVheads apparently, can you give me a quick rundown?

Is there any technical proof after all this years? Did he sign a tx from any known Satoshi addies?

>>22278332
A bit lower than me being Satoshi
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>>22290408
is that supposed to prove a point? once taproot is out anyone can make his own sidechain on bitcoin with proper trustless exit to mainchain. which means transaction capacity will blow the fuck up and yet we won't lose the trustless properties bitcoin has. an ln channel is just one limited example for a sidechain. noone will be able to actually count or keep track of sidechains let alone try to regulate them.

>>22281476
He fell for the ruse ruse

>>22290648
you can assume that if they are unable to view all the data, then it will get banned in no time at all, and you can kiss that 5 figure value goodbye permanently
and i don't think you understand the gravity of the situation outside, government just shutdown 70% of businesses across the US and Europe, while costs, especially their own remained, on top of that we had BLM rampaging and burning shit down right after.
what do you think tax season will be like? government are going to be desperate to fund all dem programs, pensions, israel and their own pockets and crypto will be just one of many easy targets
gold second

>>22290813
the irs can't ban shit

>>22290906
they did it to liberty reserve

>>22290935
well it was probably the sec not the irs but it had a legal entity to go after. see the problem? well over 60% of the hashrate on sv chain is in calvins control via taal and coingeek and such.
they can subpoena him in theory altho he can just not give a fuck about it. but bitcoin lol the real bitcoin you don't even have an idea who to subpoena at all.

which is why i'm bearish on all these distributed trust schemes like federations and stuff. they rely on trusted legal entities that can be coerced or can collude willingly.

pow is just too fucking awesome to let go.

>>22290935
oh and there is this little thing called vpn. it's how bitmex was chock full with americans and it's how smart people operate their ln nodes.

cashies need to understand one very important thing: legislation is local and the blockchain is global.

>>22280625
This. Single man who just made it cause fuck it

>>22290971
bsv welcomes subpoenas, nothing is hidden or trying to hide like on btc LN or the other scams
you can subpoena 1: blockstream for the github, 2: the big mining farms 3: exchanges, and it's done. even just one of those will cascade the price to zero as people rush to the exit
>inb4 muh farm vpn
their electricity draw is huge and will be found easily could also track through their suppliers orders of asics
>>22291020
bitmex have kyc now and can just ban vpns
17 countries banded together to ban liberty reserve

maybe your little node in africa will survive but nobody will care, because the governments can just go rape it with their nsa botnet after they shut all the bigfarms down

>>22291203
>bsv welcomes subpoenas
yes you say that now it's the most cucked thing to say in all crypto but you say it.
>bitmex have kyc now
indeed i haven't done mine tho and still trading there. lot's of people i know also.

>>22278332

Prior to this vid, I actually thought CSW was Satoshi.
And no I don't own any BSV or care about it.
It's not that I wanted him to be. I don't have a dog in this fight.
But the evidence made me lean towards it.

But now, I'd say CSW was, at best, just part of the project. The main part according to him.
That's what he means when he says he's "Satoshi" - the guy who led or played a key role in the project (even if for a short time).
It's a half truth at minimum, a misleading exaggeration at worst.
But he's not the "Satoshi" who wrote the white paper - that's Adam Back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcvX0P1b5g

>>22291427
>Adam Back
btc still doesn't scale

First target is DeFi scam bubble. Next Binance bucket shop.

>>22291427
>CSW was, at best, just part of the project
still have no idea what makes people say this.
there is zero actual credible indication that craig was ever involved in bitcoin prior to 2013. he is a gox baby. lost big on trading too. why would satoshi buy bitcoin on mtgox? makes no sense.

zero /thread

>>22291246
>>bsv welcomes subpoenas
>yes you say that now it's the most cucked thing to say in all crypto but you say it.
it's literally all on chain - everything, things like LN defeat the purpose of it

>>22278356
>>22278441
>>22278480
>>22278517
>>22278777
>>22279605


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

Why hasn't McCormack posted anything about the case since September 4th?

>>22291858
no ln definitely doesn't defeat the purpose of the blockchain as it would simply not work without a blockchain.

>>22292386
well it's larger than zero but not by much, if craig is satoshi tho than satoshi is a semi-tech illiterate abrasive scammy imbecile. that would be sad.

50%- he is or he isn't

>>22292871
this actually explains the number of sv bag holders.

>>22278332
Zero.

If you faggots actually read the 200 plus pages of Ira Kleiman testimony published last month you’d be all in BSV by time that court case begins. But you haven’t, and you won’t, so you’ll lose.

wow i cant believe my thread is still up

Just listen to what he's saying. After 20 hours of listening him the answer is obvious to me.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2qsCjXNXfiQfKYox339lZg

>>22278708
He's still tweeting though, just nothing on the case so far.

>>22278777
Lol other pseudonyms as well. Everyone is stupid except for me.

>>22278777
if you read any of his writings you would know craig is dumb s a bag of hammers as far as bitcoin is concerned.

well it's weird because he is good at pointing out fallacies and slights by others then proceeds to commit his own.

>>22293644
Tldr?
Or link. Im already all in, just curious.

>>22292468
He scared

>>22292468
He's the Donnie of crypto, way out of his depth / out of his element and doesn't know when to shut the fuck up

I work as a crypto trader for one of the biggest brokerage firms. My personal allocation is 70% BSV and 30% ETH.

>>22294427
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.611.2.pdf
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.611.3.pdf

TLDR scammer trying to squeeze BitCoins outta Satoshi’s teats

>>22293644
i have read enough to know there will be no winners in that competition of low iq scammers

>>22278332
1 to 3 fiddy zillion

>>22280125
Sorry, you need 1% for non of the above or else you suck at kindergarten logic

>>22294001
>wow i cant believe my thread is still up
Craig is Adam Back