/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>21904192
Cocaine

>>21904192
Just sell your soul, anon

>>21904192
Sounds terrible. You may be more respected and make more money than me but you will probably lose your hair and die of a heart attack by age 50

>>21904192

Put it all on LINK you tardo you still have time, the exits right over there if you just look.

>>21904192
>How?
Become the boss.

>>21904254
I have a wife and kid too. The thing is I had 3 job offers all at once, but I chose this one because they offered about 20% more and were far more prestigious, whereas the other 2 were for analyst, not consulting, roles in other states. My wife told me to take the easier jobs, but I just couldn't bring myself to give up this consulting position because I figured I can always switch to the easier roles later in life.
Now I have 0 time to actually see my wife and kid except maybe Friday nights/Saturday, I guess. But even then there's a lot of studying and documentation to read to prepare for the next week.
I can't imagine doing this for 10 years.
>>21904297
I remember the LINK ICO. I've been holding ETH, BTC, and some shitcoins since late 2016 actually, but I've only actually made about $300,000 post-tax on it in that time. Not nothing, but not enough to avoid working like this forever.
>>21904346
Becoming "the boss" takes like 25+ years of work I think, minimum. I just started.

>>21904192
>He expects not to do bitchwork as a fresh faced recruit just because he works for richer than usual jews

>>21904401
Your job is particularly shit. Tbh I would save up 6 months of living expenses, quit and find a better one. There are remote jobs out there that don't take 12 hours of work a day.

>>21904401
>Becoming "the boss" takes like 25+ years of work I think, minimum. I just started.
Use this job to save enough money to start your own business.

>>21904454
How much is enough?
If you think I'm going to gamble my entire $300k lifeblood, my only possible ticket out of this hell, on anything, you'd be insane. That ticket is the one and only think keeping me from losing it.
>>21904448
I spent over 6 months looking for a job, then suddenly got 3 offers in a week. I can look for other options, but if that's the case I should have just taken one of the easier 2 options.

>>21904454
>>21904448
Hey I appreciate the advice though.

>>21904532
>How much is enough?
It depends on the business you're thinking of. Use this time to plan your future as well. You're probably way wealthier than me so do not listen to me at all.

Just curious, what do "consultants" actually do for a living? I always considered it a meme job.

>>21904192
>10+
you're gonna have to do at least 40 years hahahahahahahahahaha

>>21904192
Curious about how much you earn anon.

Remember that the work-to-pay ratio might be very asymmetric. There might be other, more relaxed jobs out there that even pays you better.

>>21904721
Well in my case, we consult insurance firms. So not management consulting, even though I realize the OP makes it seem that way. So for example if there's some new reporting standard that the government or insurance association (NAIC) is requiring and a smaller insurance company is unable to efficiently produce all their reports/project what their asset values will be, they might hire us and then we'll adapt their entire workspace to new software that efficiently runs scenario projections. We'll set them up with everything they need to successfully convert all their projecting models to the new system and produce any financial reporting they need.

The "easier jobs" I mentioned above are basically jobs at the insurance companies that would be the clients of this consulting firm. Apparently we're one of the most expensive consulting agencies in the world to hire too.

>>21904805
With bonuses, it's about 100k pre-tax. Fresh out of college that's fine but you're right that other jobs probably do pay more per hour.

>>21904721
>I always considered it a meme job.
The job is to convince the client that consulting is not a meme job.

>>21904970
kek this is also true. I've been told before to just "give the client confidence by being there, even if you don't yet know what's going on." and "oftentimes we help our clients by getting them to talk to each other without them even realizing it."

>>21904401
It’s a tough situation OP. Everyone I’ve known who has done your job gave up after five years max or lost their fucking mind. I would say start saving as much as you can and move into a different career. If you have an end in sight it becomes infinitely more manageable to deal with the stress.

>>21905329
>if you have an end in sight it becomes infinitely more manageable
Oh I bet. I just wish I knew how much is enough to quit. The reason I don't "know" is because if we're going by salary alone it will literally never be enough. So I have to invest my money to even have a chance and I don't know how long that will take.

>>21904192
I'm the same as you anon, took the first well paying grad job I could at a big wall st firm that you've heard of in tech, I hate it here now and WFH has made it infinitely worst.

This is what I'm doing and you should too:
>stay for 2-3 years to build up a nice CV
>find somewhere else to work and leave

look after yourself, drink less, workout more, sleep more, it makes a difference.

>>21904192
Loser. Imagine working more than 2 hours a day kek

>>21904401
... you have wife and kids and a 6 figure consultant job right out of college
k dude

>>21904192
i sold shit on amazon and made like $50/hour on average

>>21905587
>drink less, workout more, sleep more
I'm thinking to get some home weights or something. I never really worked out growing up and it's not been for me. Thanks for the advice.
>>21905635
I got married very young with a girl I met while studying abroad. In hindsight, don't do this. The marriage was partially for green card reasons, and my son is less than 1 year old.

>>21904192
>tfw software dev at small shop in NJ
>tfw remote since March. No big brother tracking/logging on computer
>tfw work 4 hours at most per week. Rest of time shitposting and vidya
>tfw paid $55k and still live home; save and invest 90% salary
>tfw made +$130k since Covid started on crypto
Moments like these I’m glad I don’t have a (((better))) job

>>21904225
and hookers

>>21904192
Being a consultant is actual slavery lmao imagine not being a Chad software engineer

>>21904192
>expected to work 60+ hours per week
>work from 6am to midnight virtually every day
this is what I don't get. why don't you just work 60 hours and call it quits? how does 18 hours a day total to 60 a week?

>>21904532
In hindsight it’s probably clear that you should’ve opted for one of the easier jobs. You’ve said that it took six months to get three offers and when it rained it poured. Where do you see yourself six months from now if you keep doing what you’re doing?

Oh God, you guys are such a waste of money, holy shit. Go try finding work for your favorite carrier.
>t. Lowly lazy operations/UW

>>21905912
6 months from now if I keep looking for a position? It's possible. But then again I don't think giving up this quickly would be a great idea either..

>>21905635
Have you never heard of the State of New York?
<100iqfag

>>21905952
That sort of what I’m saying insofar as I was alluding to the idea that if you want a job in six months it’s probably not a bad idea to start putting yourself out there today. I’m also suggesting that you take a critical look at your life, focusing on your health, mental and physical, and ask yourself if you think you’ll be in a better state to put yourself out in there six months from now rather than starting today.

>>21905952
See if you can get a good alibi and go for it. You got a nice pay bump, but you lost 6 months of your child's developmental years. Was it worth the 20%?

>>21904192
I think I found the issue
>>expected to work

>>21905660
np lad, >>21905952 but I would give it a year at the very minimum if its that rough. < 1 Year can be a red flag on a Resume

>>21904192
>work from 6am to midnight virtually every day
>All hours are logged with the exact task of what I was doing and billed to clients, so "pretending to work" doesn't work
It seems strange that clients would want you to be billing 18 hours per day. Are you sure you aren't being inefficient with your work?

>>21906026
Ah I see what you mean now. I'll stick it out but consider this.

>>21906072
He's in the insurance industry, it's fine. The shitty part is that his timing fucking sucks due to the huge labor market supply expansion.

>>21906075
I wish you and your family well m8. Good luck whatever you decide.

>>21906074
I am inefficient. I can't help it. I'm just kind of new. I also have significant non-billable work right now. I was brand new so I said I don't have enough work, so they gave me non-billable work and then I happened to get billable work at the same time. So that's all it is really.

>>21906143
Thank you

>>21904192
>tfw consultant
>worked super hard for the first year
>now do maybe 5 mins of work a day, from home, and get paid more than 200k to just be on hand as I’m the only one who understands the entire project we worked on, end-to-end

But yeah if you chose to work for one or the big consultancies, it isn’t going to get better and you will never make partner. They’re just going to ride you until you burn out. Do a year or two and go somewhere else.

>>21905723
In a similar position anon. I work from home but max 5-6 hours a week and play CS + dota the rest of the time. I get 95k a year for that.

>>21906258
what do you do? Software Eng?

>>21906184
aye anon, good luck

>>21904721
I am a human capital consultant (within management consulting). I mostly work with clients undergoing mergers. Guiding them through best practices and whatnot. Sometimes I do strategy work for technology transformations but for that I basically take my company’s standard strategy deck and match the colors to my client.

Management consulting is a lot of meetings and slides.

>>21906258
Cheers fren

>>21905444
OP work there for 3 years and bail. That's long enough for it to look impressive on your resume - but not long enough to kill you. Then jump to a cushy job. My housemate did that. Started off as a lawyer. Then moved into consulting at a top tier firm. Then moved into a real cushy consulting job with the same pay.

That's the trade-off I guess. I'm fresh out of college working for a local municipality and I make $45,000. I never bring work home and I have every federal holiday off including Columbus Day. Not great pay but it's pretty chill with next to no stress so it really boils down to what matters most to you personally

>>21904401
You didn't buy link. That's why you're poor

>>21904192
Stop complaining, at least you have work that earns you 6 figures. Would you rather have all the time but jobless and broke? Don't be a dumbass.