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>> No.21889979

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

>> No.21889999

That pic is a much better ordering than I recall seeing before.

>> No.21890014

>>21889979
your mother.

>> No.21890048

>>21889947
Musk should be Chaotic good otherwise it's alright i guess

>> No.21890049
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21890049

Just hoping for a not-so-boring day like yesterday.

>> No.21890060

What happened? Nasdump and goldy are falling like a rock

>> No.21890068

>general indexes crabbing
>futures looking not great
Hands weak
Bags are heavy
Sell orders positions already
Broker's spaghetti (code)

>> No.21890072
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21890072

Early coffee gang survey, what's your coffee? This is mine.

>> No.21890073
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21890073

>Place 3 different orders on futures overnight
>One gets filled because market refuses to dump more than a couple of points
>Wake up to $240 profit
Comfy

>> No.21890077
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21890077

what is market cap?

>> No.21890086

Apple will NOT see 515 again.

>> No.21890089

>>21890049
It's looking crabby so far

>> No.21890094

>>21890072
Peets Dark Roast: French Roast

>> No.21890103

>>21890072

Cafe bustelo espresso style with a splash of heavy whipping creme

>> No.21890104

>>21890072
I only drink water

>> No.21890113

I like phrases like nasdump and nascuck and that you can call people nigger here and it’s just the same as "dude".

basado

>> No.21890128

>>21890072
I love coffee but it gives me anxiety pretty bad. I LOVE coffee. Dark roasts are best.

>> No.21890135

>>21890113

How do you feel about cunny tho

>> No.21890138

>he isn't 99% cash and 1% stocks
It's like you want to lose all your money.

>> No.21890154

>>21890128
How the fuck does coffee give you anxiety? I swear some of the problems you people have..

>> No.21890156

>>21890077
How much a company is worth including all it's total assets minus liabilities
It would be like if you did a survey of your wealth and included all your cash, stocks, house, furniture and personal belgongings, money people owed to you and subtracted money you owed to other people.

>> No.21890166

>>21889999
Nice get remember everybody from the last thread "kek" your schizo deity is telling you to sell AAPL and buy TSM with my glorious 88888 Hitler get. And fuck you if you don't like it

>> No.21890172

>>21890154
not everybody has your level of caffeine dependency

>> No.21890181

>>21890138
I fell for the cash meme and couldve easily doubled my money in that time

>> No.21890186

>>21890128
Drink more coffee, it will relax you

>> No.21890196
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21890196

May be a good day for boomer stocks.

>> No.21890210

>>21890181
Why risk doubling your money when you could guarantee losing a minimum of 2% each year by just holding it?

>> No.21890214

>>21890154
Coffee makes me focused and ticked off at people making the smallest mistakes.

Oh and a tip, either drink coffee everyday or not at all. Caffeine crashes suck.

>> No.21890216

>>21890156
>and subtracted money you owed to other people
As well as everything you own that doesn't make you money, right?

>> No.21890215

>>21890154
I have a predisposition to anxiety.

If you knew anything about caffeine you'd know it's a common side effect.

>> No.21890225

>>21890156
That’s not what market cap is. Not even close. Market cap is share price times shares outstanding.

>> No.21890238
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>>21890025
>wait for the dips and swing the fuck out of it

i was thinking of doing this but for either AMD or NVDA since they actually still have a shitload of potential (innovation) for the foreseeable future. any recommendations on the strat for DCA'ing through dips? im not sure how cautious to be i was thinking something along the lines of just splitting my money 10 ways and buying an equal amount of shares every 1x the ATR dip on the daily time frame. if we're talking innovation it's probably best to get out of AAPL and TSLA that im currently in (AAPL being kind of a dinosaur although a trendy one, TSLA being innovative but risky because their evaluation isn't built on anything real yet just hopes and dreams for the future not actual revenue afaik)

what sort of swing strats are you guys using and on what (tech/semi) companies lately?

>> No.21890241

>>21890138
What are stop-losses.

Why do 99% of traders fail?
>cause they have no clue what they're doing

>> No.21890242

>>21890154
people are fucking retarded with the mental problems these days. everyone's got a phobia. everyone's got anxiety. everyone's got depression. fucking idiots lmao, wanna be special muh go-to excuse, dear god i would thanos this fucking world multiple times in a heartbeat even if i had to die too to make the cleansing complete.

>> No.21890244

>>21890156
Wrong market cap is literally just
>price of 1 share * total shares outstanding

>> No.21890246

>>21890077
/smg/ sells 30% of its business (NASDAQ:BOBO) to the market in an IPO, let's sell we emit 30,000 shares that are now trading at $2. That means the company's market cap is $200,000.
30% is called the free float.

>> No.21890251
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>>21890072
a light roast whole bean from my local roaster. grind that shit up and filter it through a Chemex filter. yum.

>> No.21890263

>>21890225
Nonsense, market cap is a cap you buy in a flea market. Duh!

>> No.21890277
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21890277

>>21890242

>> No.21890278

>>21890072
You should be drinking that shit from Hawaii and support America's coffee farmers.

>> No.21890287

>>21890242
>mental problems
No.

Anxiety is what separates us from animals.

>> No.21890294

horsefags are we, dare I say, finished?

>> No.21890312

>>21890277
Based and Boomer Pilled.

>> No.21890325

>>21890135
Dislike

>> No.21890328

>>21890294
>we
you're a retard if you've been watching WKHS for more than a week and you didn't know it was going to dump this morning the instant it started pumping yesterday on no news

>> No.21890343

>>21890287
But animals can have anxiety too

>> No.21890346

RKT a long hold?

>> No.21890348

>>21890215
>"I have a predisposition to anxiety."
>Doesn't drink coffee but trades the market
Makes sense

>> No.21890367

>>21890325
cringe

>> No.21890369

>>21890287
anxiety is not a fucking 'im special' moment. it's bullshit people say as a go-to excuse for why they're acting like a retard. no, you don't have 'anxiety', you have grow the fuck up.

>> No.21890371

>>21890225
>>21890244

Wtf am I thinking of then?

>> No.21890377

>>21890294
Pence talked about Lordstown Motors at the RNC last night

>> No.21890383

>>21890287
>animals don't have anxiety
Holy fuck you are stupid. Stop glorifying your malfunction.

>> No.21890384

Apple will open below 500.

>> No.21890399

>>21890241
>set stop loss
>it get triggered
>price immediately moons
This shit has happened to many times to me it isn't even funny.

>> No.21890414
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>>21890072
dunkin donuts (the kind you buy whole beans of at the grocery store and grind fresh yourself) through a moccamaster.

>> No.21890417

>>21890371
Net worth

>> No.21890419

>>21890196
How are the "economists" deriving their estimates? From listening to CNN commentators?

>> No.21890423

>>21890328
seething

>> No.21890424

>>21890246
I'd buy that for a dollar!

>> No.21890426

>>21890343
Yeah but not to extent we do.

>>21890348
Yeah? No offense anon but this comment is retarded, think about it.

You seem to be implying being a coward is a good thing.

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21890437

>>21889947
Buy oil negroes

>> No.21890441

>>21890371
Sounds like the accounting equality
Assets - liabilities = book value

>> No.21890442

>>21890423
why the hell would i be seething?
i bought $17 puts at the top yesterday

>> No.21890469

what will be the lowest price for AMD today

>> No.21890473

>>21890278
90% of Kona coffee you see is a blend of genuine Kona and generic Arabica grown who knows where, probably Vietnam or Brazil.

>> No.21890474

>>21890424
the business is a bank that buys TQQQ calls.

>> No.21890480

>>21890469
Opening

>> No.21890484

>>21890369
Wrong faggot and I'd kick the shit out of you IRL.

It's not "I'm special" it's "I'm flawed". Everybody is flawed in some way, yours is retardation.

>>21890383
You're clueless.

>>21890399
Learn how to use them properly.

>> No.21890491

>>21890399
checked. stop losses are a scam. buy and hold actually good companies you believe in. or swing trade events and hold through the volatility as long as your trading thesis still holds true.

i got into AAPL and TSLA early last week and still up a bunch, still feel like they're gonna be free money over the next month. im certain they'll moon after the split i just gotta wait, any price you get in now should be profitable by then in all honesty they're just gonna keep hitting new ATH's.

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21890492

>>21890437
I did buy XOM and CHV last week like you told me
I am completely in the red

>> No.21890514

>>21890474
Robocop, man...

>> No.21890523
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>>21890246
where did the 2000 number come from?
t. retard

>> No.21890536

Truck driver here:

Workhorse will fail.

HYLIION will moon.

Why?

Workhorse will get the the contract....only about 10% of it. You can't expect USPS to be innovative, that's just stupid. They've always been cheap. They're going with FORD.

SHLL is going to be #2 behind Tesla in the Tractor Trailer sector. They already have natural gas infrastructure built in many major Logistics companies like UPS (I work here)& Amazon. Their management team is the best I've seen in the EV field. Most Semi's in 5 years will be run Electric & Renewable Natural Gas. Diesel is going to die a painful death soon. SHLL to 80 by eoy. Within 5 years will it will be 200-300. Their biggest weakness is that they can't expand much beyond the EV Semi market.

>> No.21890565

About to go all in on AAPL calls 10% otm expiring on 9/11

>> No.21890567

Just letting people know, my boomer dad made so much money on Tesla that he is pulling out of the market for now. I repeat, the boomers are doing too well, and are pulling out. This is a man who gambles his entire retirement on one stock and he is exercising caution.

>> No.21890570

>>21890484
How do I use the properly

>> No.21890571
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>>21890492
Bad balance sheets and bad timing because they got kicked out of the Dow.
I bought Suncor and cop and am green still.

>> No.21890595

>>21890536
>They're going with FORD
ford isn't bidding on the contract

>> No.21890598

>>21890214
You won't get a "crash" as long as you doesn't chug like 4 cups a day for a long period of time

>>21890426
Caffeine doesn't CAUSE anxiety, it can worsen the symptoms depending on the person. If you have a "predisposition to anxiety", trading could actually cause it because of the amount of stress build-up along with other things. So no, it doesn't make sense.. if anything you're a pussy for not wanting to drink a comfy cup of coffee in the morning

>> No.21890602

All my calls are wrong but my shares of tqqq and soxl make up for my shitty trading

>> No.21890614

>>21890523
there are 30,000 shares worth $2 that represent 30% of the company, for a total of $60,000

(6*10^4)/x = 30/100 = 3/10
x = (6*10^5)/3
x = 2*10^5

>> No.21890623

>>21890214
I can really only have two cups max during the day. Definitely one cup when I wake up, and maybe one around lunch. Otherwise I will "overshoot" my caffeine intake and get sleepy.

>> No.21890631

>>21890492
>Falling for leaf memes
>Buying anything other than tech
NGMI

>> No.21890646

>>21890595
Ford Oshkosh joint project whatever.

>> No.21890650

Who’s ready to bite into a red apple today

>> No.21890654

>>21890094
I love you

>> No.21890663

>>21890523
You should not be trading, you'll hurt youself

>> No.21890667

>>21890287
Actually advanced communication and complex tool use is what separates us from animals

>> No.21890670
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21890670

UTZ chads we litty!

>> No.21890676

>>21890287
Cheetahs are so nervous as a species, zoos have to give them comfort dogs. You shouldn't be proud of being neurotic. Try practicing better self discipline and improve your daily routines.

>> No.21890685

>>21890646
correct
the company that provided the trucks that are now bursting into flames
WKHS will pump and dump after the contract but not because of something legitimate like getting 10% of it
they're getting way more than that

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21890695

>>21890631
I'm 20% oil 80% tech. I like reading oil because it's not too hard and I've become quite decent at it.
My xirr is better than my Amazon shares

>> No.21890715

>>21890670
Their hot chips are kino

>> No.21890730

I wish I played CRM

>> No.21890732

>>21890072
Usually drink local coffee shops roast. French pressed every morning like a cuckie. It's soooo good tho

>> No.21890748

>>21890595
Oskosh (however you fucking spell it)/Ford.

Workhorse is going to get too small of a share boys and also fuck drones. Go ahead, try to navigate a drone and not hit a tree/powerline/Old people/mailbox. It's a stupid concept that sounds nice on paper but a huge liability if that drone screws up.

If it was UPS/FED EX/AMAZON maybe, but USPS....they're the epitome of being cheap.
>>21890598
I drink 4-6 cups in a 1 hour setting everyday....I miss one day without that sweet caffeine and I get awful migraines.

>> No.21890758

>>21890072
>tfw can’t drink coffee at the office because I’ll have to go tape a massive shit

>> No.21890775

>>21890748
>Go ahead, try to navigate a drone and not hit a tree/powerline/Old people/mailbox
you're absolutely fucking retarded

>> No.21890777

>>21889546
Kek, you said this at 5 dols, you said it at 10 dols, you said it at 12 dols and now youre saying it at 18 going on 20.

$100+ this time next year. Buy now or cry later.

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21890786

When the SHLL merger is about to happen how much notice will we have? Will we know the week before, the day before? How does it work?

>> No.21890787

>>21890758
I shit every morning at the office be a man

>> No.21890789

>>21890758
That's the entire point of doing it at work
I have the same thing lel

>> No.21890804

>>21890777
how do NIO cars fit in luckin' coffee drive thrus?

>> No.21890809

Daily reminder that banks and Disney are still one sale. Also BABA $1000 EOY 2021

>> No.21890827

>>21890775
>Hands drone controller to new delivery driver
>Anon expects perfect results

....ngmi

>> No.21890832
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21890832

Will the Market pump hard after tomorrow's speech?

>> No.21890836

>>21890565
i thought they shut down options shit on AAPL/TSLA recently because of the adjustments needed for the split soon? otherwise go for it, can't go wrong with AAPL.

>> No.21890837

Xpeng IPO is today or tomorrow bros shits gonna moon

>> No.21890851

>>21890827
it's automated you absolutely clueless moron
and even if they were manual, YOU FLY OVER THE FUCKING TREES AND POWERLINES

HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ABLE TO BREATHE

>> No.21890857

LAST CHANCE to buy Apple and Tesla before they pump.

>> No.21890869

oi cunts, any aussies here
need some ASX moonshots
'heard good things about ZIP, APT (buy now pay later goy stocks)

>> No.21890870

>>21890758
If you don't make 10-15k a year shitting something is wrong with you

>> No.21890884

>>21890346
definitely. holding this bitch for 5 years.

>> No.21890885

>>21890570
There are a couple ways. You could google the answer.

Basically you want to find an area of support and put it under there (leaving a gap in case the price tests the support).

>>21890598
Actually, my uneducated arrogant fool, caffeine DOES cause anxiety in some people, it's like the most common side effect of caffeine consumption. You seem too dumb to grasp that people react differently to different drugs, that stress and anxiety and stress are two different things and that there are many things you do not know.

>>21890667
Anxiety is basically thinking about thoughts too much, which is what human do which have lead us to advanced communication and complex tool use. You're technically right but it's not the whole truth.

Nervousness and anxiety are not the same thing. If you could read you'd see I never said I was proud of being neurotic (I said the opposite). I never said there was anything wrong with me, just that I have a predisposition which is well under control. You're advice is ok but you left out the most important things; exercise and meditation.

>> No.21890887

>>21890654
ty bb

>>21890614
I haven't taken a math course in over 10 years. Why is the exponent value increased by 1 when you move it to the other side of the equation?

>> No.21890890

>>21890758
>not shitting on company time
What a fag.

>> No.21890913

>>21890890
>>21890870
My department (marketing) is on the same floor as the C suite so it’s embarrassing

>> No.21890914

>>21890885
>Nervousness and anxiety are not the same thing. If you could read you'd see I never said I was proud of being neurotic (I said the opposite). I never said there was anything wrong with me, just that I have a predisposition which is well under control. You're advice is ok but you left out the most important things; exercise and meditation.
>>21890676

>> No.21890917

>>21890870
>>21890890
I don't like to do it, feels like you have to rush it

>> No.21890919

>>21890437
My ass is still smarting from buying CEI and GUSH a few months ago. And this is after I was smart enough to get out before everything dumped. I swung back in like a retard and ate my dick.

Hoping to see gains on a long enough timeline.

>> No.21890926

>>21890884
where is it going?

>> No.21890927

>>21890885
>caffeine DOES cause anxiety
Nope, it doesn't. Next

>> No.21890929

>>21890631
i bought NAK, and i got leaf'd

>> No.21890940

>PALANTIR ON CNBC
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.21890957

>>21890072
Bustello is my shit. Not too expensive neither.

>> No.21890970

>>21890940
they gonna talk about the fact that they expect to never ever be profitable?

>> No.21890979

>>21890913
ngmi

Establish your dominance like any other animal. If anything shit in the middle of a hallway or on your bosses desk

>> No.21890980

>>21890970
they didn't

>> No.21890981

>>21890567
Your dad went all in on one bet and luckily it paid off big. His hands are itchy as fuck and he wants to lock in some gains. Understandable. Hes not indicative of the entire boomer market though.

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>>21890940
fuck bros I cannot wait. I think they're doing direct listing?

>> No.21890993

>>21890970
ah so this is a funding ploy!

>> No.21890996

>>21890787

This. Getn paid to shit is a come up. The kike fears the office shitter

>> No.21891008

>>21890991
yea it's a direct listing

>> No.21891024

>>21890851
>Wind pushes drone towards traffic
>Drone goes through windshield of car
>Company has to pay more insurance to operate drones

Everything it takes to setup, the conditions that drone has to go through and along with the time it takes to pre/post trip the drone. Too troublesome.

>> No.21891029

>>21890913
Bathroom encounters are the #1 way to ingratiate yourselves with the top brass. Smiles and joking at the wash basin or urinal are a must to move up that ladder.

>> No.21891042

G-guys what the fuck is Apple doing

>> No.21891045

>>21890804
>One company is a scam so all of the Chinese market is.

Luckin was bullshit propped up by nothing, NIO has a workable product with actual orders in place.

>> No.21891050

>AAPL and TSLA already breaking above their previously formed premarket highs right now

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.21891054

>>21890196
I love it when they rose jump.

>> No.21891061

>>21891024
you have never flown a drone
you are acting retarded to hide the fact that you are actually retarded

>> No.21891065

>>21890885
>Anxiety is basically thinking about thoughts too much, which is what human do which have lead us to advanced communication and complex tool use. You're technically right but it's not the whole truth.
Anxiety has no major part in the development of complex communication. If you could read youd realize I never said anything about your retard anxiety or how to get past it, just that it has nothing to do with the separation of human beings and animals. The cognitive ability to reason and plan, communicate at a complex level, and create and operate tools more advanced than just pry bars and hammers is what separates us from animals, anxiety has quite literally nothing to do with it.

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21891066

Bros?

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>>21891042

>> No.21891073

>>21890993
No, because it looks like a direct listing, not an IPO which raises capital.
Basically lets the execs/employees sell out at the top.

>> No.21891076

Daily reminder than any ETF that isn’t leveraged or that doesn’t track SPX is for pussies. Why the fuck would you buy “xyz etf” if you could just buy individual stocks you believe in

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>>21890670
Bruh

>> No.21891088

>>21891045
all of china is bullshit propped up by nothing

>> No.21891090

>>21891042
It's going to pump Pre-Market and then dump on open. Crab upwards until EoD and then pump AH

>> No.21891089

>>21890832
I thought those looked ridiculous when I first saw them but fuck this one looks bad ass. And its anti-s.oyboy electric design too. A bitch would get pregnant instantly if she rode in that.

I want one.

>> No.21891096

holy SHIT workhorse!!!!

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>>21891042
tim is rewarding the faithful with gains

>> No.21891113

>>21891089
He's going to talk about neural link, not some stupid truck.

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21891120

>>21890670
>>21891086
gross guys. master race chip right here. straight outta rural Pennsylvania

>> No.21891122

>>21890887

(6*10^4)/x = 30/100
x/(6*10^4) = 10/3
x = (6*10^4)*(10/3)
x = (6*10^5)/3
x = 2*10^5

>> No.21891126

>>21891066
Do we short aapl at open?

>> No.21891127

>>21891096
check out DPHC

>> No.21891129

>>21891089
the jeep gladiator will no longer be the ugliest truck on the road

>> No.21891146

green bar up oooooooo

>> No.21891154
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21891154

Could it be a SONN day?

>> No.21891161

>>21891127
oh FUCK i shouldn't have sold it earlier

>> No.21891177

>>21891126
I would. Just don't hold it all day.

>> No.21891187

>>21891066
What relevance is this?

>> No.21891195

>>21891127
DPHC at 15.80 pre-market? I'm already COOOOMING

>> No.21891197

>>21891126
No, man, I'm long on Apple. How does it feel that you know the market is probably going to crash, yet you are still holding, because you refuse to be a weak faggit

>> No.21891200

today is the day that aapl goes to zero. you have a sell order in for the opening bell, right, anon?

>> No.21891214

>>21891088
This and checked

>> No.21891220

>>21890927
>Caffeine, besides influencing cognitive performance, increases the perception of alertness and wakefulness [105, 106] and sometimes induces anxiety,
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4462044/
Wrong retard. Now what?

>>21891065
Yeah it was a typo, I fixed it immediately in the replies, think before you act.

You contradict yourself in your own post and all you've posted is your opinion.

>> No.21891223

>>21891187
When this shit is creeping up it crashes the market. Check June 08

>> No.21891225

Who here /hold apple till after split/?

>> No.21891230
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21891230

>Tech
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.21891241

>>21891122
x = (6*10^4)*(10/3)
x = (6*10^5)/3

I see. You simplify the 10/3 by adding the 10 into the exponent and leaving the 3 by itself.
I am fucking retarded at math dude. Feels bad tbqh

>> No.21891246

>>21891225
I'll hold til 2050

>> No.21891256

Someone pump my XOM and RTX bags
I don’t like red

>> No.21891262

>>21891225
I think I'd sell AAPL to the run up to the split. I think it's going to tank HARD after the split, but then all the normies see it and it's going to moon even harder than ever before.

>> No.21891267

>>21891089
>anti-s.oyboy
it's a heckin tron car!!

>> No.21891273

>>21891220
>Yeah it was a typo, I fixed it immediately in the replies, think before you act.
Think before you act and reply correctly. I contradicted nothing, you've got more than anxiety youre full blown retarded kiddo

>> No.21891278

>>21891225
>buying any stock with the intent of selling it at any point in the next 5 years
>above but with Apple for double retardation

>> No.21891279

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

>> No.21891285

>>21891225
may sell some short term covered calls

>> No.21891302

>>21891225
Holding till at least 2030

>> No.21891314

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

>> No.21891319

I sold my WKHS, might get back in later, I'm assuming it'll drop again and then I'll ride it back up.

>> No.21891325

>>21891197
I dunno I just sold my QQQ calls and bought QQQ puts to flip after the bogs take care of the morning dump.

>> No.21891342

Is AGQ ever going back to $69 bros

>> No.21891349
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21891349

you idiots called me stupid

let's see if i'm right in 3 months screencap this

>> No.21891356

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
(sorry it's late anons I only just got in)

>> No.21891360

>>21891241
it just takes practice
I'll make a practice arithmetic app with levels of difficulty, add some incremental gaming elements, should be easy to develop.

>> No.21891370
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21891370

Tfw bought 10 shares or so of Apple yesterday at about $495
Tfw Apple got a price hike seemingly conveniently as it was going down

>> No.21891377

Well my wkhs covered calls just got btfo. Such is life.

>> No.21891378
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21891378

SRNE recovering.

>> No.21891379

>NIO 20+ before eod

OOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo

>> No.21891382

HOLY SHIT GUYS I'M MAKING MONEY!

>> No.21891394

>>21891314
>WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
>WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
>WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
>WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

>> No.21891397
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21891397

>>21890072
I slam this shit on the daily

>> No.21891403
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21891403

>>21891379

>> No.21891404

>>21891382
bull shit

>> No.21891409

>>21891267
Nope, its a blade runner truck, faggot. And it looks bitches.

>> No.21891412
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21891412

That's it, that -2% yesterday was the correction, back to the Mars Mission.

>> No.21891411

>>21891382
Truly the biggest red flag

>> No.21891432

Wow AYX is up, Micron is up, even fucking SOLY is up today. I'm gonna go back to sleep and pretend this trend will hold.

>> No.21891435

>>21891404
Oh wait you're right, it just shot the fuck up out of no where.

>> No.21891446

>>21890072
Ethiopia sidamo or ground coarse and then prepared fresh with a french press.

>> No.21891448

>>21891349
NIO call is gonna print today. NIO has 2022 calls up, talk about fucking printing.

Its like, do I wanna retire in 2 yrs? Why yes, I think I do.

>> No.21891452

>imagine not scoring above 45 here
If you want an image of what level of mental math you need to be on to get past the first round of interviews at prop trading firms try it. No paper, no notes, only final answer and all calculations in your head. If you get above 45, congrats that's round one of seven interviews and (IQ) tests and you've already done better than 90% of applicants who fail this round.

https://rankyourbrain.com/mental-math/mental-math-test-expert/countdown

>> No.21891458

APPLE IS FUCKED TIM SOLD I REPEAT GET THE FUCK OUT NOW

>> No.21891460

>>21891378
>SRNE
I HOPE YOU FAGS HAVE NEEDFULLY BUY THE DIP

>> No.21891464

Sex offender here
How can I make a million dollars in a year than run away?

>> No.21891465
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21891465

is the t cubes unstoppable?

>> No.21891466
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21891466

Just bought the top for NIO and LI
China #1

>> No.21891468

i got 16.95 shill me some chinese shit

>> No.21891471

>just sold 50 shares of WKHS
And now we wait for the morning crash to swing back in.

>> No.21891472

Sold DPHC somewhere around 12-13, disappointed in myself

>> No.21891473
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21891473

>sold my TQQQ calls at open

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21891484

GIVE APPLE ALL YOUR ENERGY

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21891495

>>21891448
>Its like, do I wanna retire in 2 yrs? Why yes, I think I do.

t. thad

>> No.21891497

>>21891458
You can pay bills with stocks bro, the guy is just getting up some cash to cover next month mortgage and stuff.

>> No.21891498

GME 100% short interest
Get in faggots, we’re squeezing shorts.

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21891499

>>21890670
>>21891086
>>21891120
wtf bros get some taste

>> No.21891502

Buy QQQ puts? She's lookin a little overbought

>> No.21891506

>>21891452

Welp I got filtered by the first question. Fuck fractions

>> No.21891517

>>21891464
Fraud

>> No.21891518

>>21891464
Rob a bank. What are they going to do? Throw you in jail so you can't get a job?

>> No.21891528

TQQQ fucking unstoppable. i love this shit

>> No.21891534

Where did the Apple doom posters go anons?

>tfw price hike makes it equivalent to a post split price of $150
>tfw post split average is sub $115


t. Didn't sell my Apple shares and instead bought more yesterday.

>> No.21891538

>>21891220
>at lower concentrations, caffeine stimulates the locomotor activity [118], at higher concentrations it induces an anxiogenic-like effect
So having one cup of the comfy morning coffee won't do anything to you, while choking on 4-6 cups a day might cause something to happen, now go have one cup and relax my anxiety riddled friend that thinks caffeine in small doses causes anxiety more than trading

>> No.21891539

>>21891466
Even SOLO and their retarded cuckmobile is mooning today. The markets doing that weird shit again. Keep one eye on the market and one hand on your wallet.

>> No.21891545

>>21891498
>we’re squeezing shorts
What are you my 8th grade gym teacher? Stay the hell away from me weirdo

>> No.21891551

how to profit from trump's $1bl to AI companies?

>> No.21891565

>>21891497
Why does Tim Cook need to cover his mortgage in this way... lol

>> No.21891567

>>21891528
After I cash out of my APPL options i'm gonna start making calls on TQQQ. Based.

>> No.21891578

>>21890473
>90% of Kona coffee you see is a blend of genuine Kona and generic Arabica grown who knows where, probably Vietnam or Brazil.
Genuine Kona is 2-3 times more expensive then even the most premium of other single-origin arabicas. Blending it with select Costa Rican or Salvadoran beans is a fine alternative for poorfags.

>> No.21891584

>>21891471
Ok it just happened, get back in now bro

>> No.21891587
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21891587

How are we doing today NIO chads? do you think it will dip or keep its momentum?

>> No.21891591

already up over 2 grand on AAPL and TSLA, let's keep this shit going boys.

like i said, buy and hold. these are solid as a rock cultist companies, household names everyone loves, and tech. laugh at the pink wojaks on pullbacks and thank me in a month. just, again, i repeat: get out before battery day on TSLA if you know what's good for you, unless you're actually insane enough to think they really pulled off the second coming of Battery Jesus. which i highly doubt. but that is what's getting priced in over the next month, as ridiculous as that sounds.

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21891593

>nio

>> No.21891605

>>21891377
Bro covered calls on wkhs right now isn’t the play. Wait till the contract. Then do covered calls. Unless you were looking to exit your position in which case good luck.

>> No.21891611

>>21891584
I'm waiting for that $17.50 mark.

>> No.21891612

>>21891584
nope

>> No.21891617

>>21891452
Is this serious?

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/prop-trader-salary-SRCH_KO0,11.htm

>> No.21891619
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21891619

Daily reminder than in August 1929... the stockmarket reached its peak too. Papers were all talking about how many retail investors had flooded in, and how the market will never go down again... heh.

>but anon it’ll be different this time
You better hope it isn’t. If it is, it’ll be much much worse

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21891631

I AM FINANCIALLY RECOVERING OOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.21891632

>>21891619
post positions or shut up

>> No.21891643

>>21891578
what brand do you get? i shop at stop&shop and BJ's, im willing to spend the money to try it if it's really so much better than anything else. what's supposedly so great about the flavor? again i literally only drink dunkin donuts coffee that i get the whole beans of and grind fresh myself.

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21891646

>>21891464

Make a good chunk of money and move the fuck to Thailand, not even meming. Nice apartments rent for $250 a month, the food's good and fucking cheap, and your sex offender status doesn't mean shit there.

>> No.21891649

>>21891619

That crash and all crashes are manufactured. With jews you lose.

>> No.21891656

>>21891619
Who cares I'll just buy more you faggot. Bears have been talking about 1929 since 1929.

>> No.21891659

>>21891220
I'm a doctor and have successfully diagnosed your anxiety, root cause "being an annoying faggot". Recommend "stop being such a huge fag" x2 daily.

That'll be $400, you're welcome.

>> No.21891667

>>21891587
I just sold half

>> No.21891669

>>21891611
>buying wkhs above 17
Ngmi

>> No.21891670

>>21891632
Why would I have positions in market that will experience a rug pull in 1-3 months, “GambleFag”? You’re supposed to sell high, not when the dip starts.

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21891685

>>21891567
real talk: you're talking about buying calls, which already have a ton of leverage, on a 3x etf which triples your leverage even further

are you SURE you want to do this? the t cubes can dip at ANY time

i lost over 7 grand on a t cubes put spread last month

>> No.21891696

>>21891619
lmao fearmongering
Line only goes up.

>> No.21891697

>>21891670

To make money in that 1-3 months instead of sitting on your nuts while the rest of make money laugh and post memes n racist shit

>> No.21891700
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21891700

reminder that racism is not allowed outside of /b/
also ROKU and CRM

>> No.21891701

>>21891619
>waste time and effort trying to smugpost hoping to be the broken clock that eventually is right instead of making easy gains and using stop loss to secure them
Just go back to bed bobo

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21891705

>>21891659

TDOC working nicely, very bullish

>> No.21891711

>>21891565
Bro he is just like you and me. He gets money he spends it. Like most people he don’t save nothing bro, he probably can’t cover like if his kid needs braces of something unless he sell off assets.

Bro cash is meant to be spent you know that.

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21891712

redpill me on SOXX and SOXL and why I should buy those instead of TQQQ

>> No.21891713
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21891713

>>21890277
I always thought that was just a fucking meme. But then I tried it and I can say I was converted.
Monster white is BY FAR the best flavour monster drinks has. BY FAR.
Tastes pineapply, not too sweet and the flavour lingers enough that you can savour it sip by sip with no urge to chug the whole thing.
It beats drinking coffees after coffees and last the whole day sipping.
Also doesn't come with food coloring like kids drinks. "Looks like medicine" one friend said when he poured into his glass to try.
Because it isn't a kids drink. It's white because it has what it says and isn't trying to look like other stuff that it is not.

>> No.21891714

>>21890073
My endgame is being able to do this and earn the same as slavewaging.

>> No.21891715

>that candle on tsla

>> No.21891717

>>21891685
Obviously I'm not going all in. Just a few. Might buy puts for a strangle hold too.

>> No.21891718

Whens wkhs going back to 16s

>> No.21891722

>>21891605
I have long calls for the contract. The covered calls were just to take advantage of the high premiums. Just a little bummed I didn't wait til Tuesday to sell em

>> No.21891732

>>21891669
I have 400 shares still. I swing trade 50 of them daily. It's almost as if there's some sort of pattern where it opens high, people exit their positions and then I scoop them up during the crash.

>> No.21891738

>>21891220
have you considered that you're anxious because you lead off with things like "if you could read" and "think before you act" after you're the one that made a cognitive error? That maybe if you didn't act like such a spergy little twat that there would be nothing to be anxious about and nobody would bother to correct you

>> No.21891739

Welp boys looks like it's that time again to reposition those stop losses on Tesla. Bumperrrrr up

>> No.21891743

>>21891452
I scored a 6 :)

>> No.21891746

>>21891452
I'm a failure.

>> No.21891745

>>21891697
I work from home and get paid $2400 a week for my job, I’m not desperate enough for money to risk everything.

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21891748

>>21891717
just do a strangle/straddle on NDAQ

>> No.21891754

>>21891534
Based

>> No.21891764

>>21891701
Not a smugpost, just insane how close the two parallels are.

>> No.21891773

>>21891718
Heading that way right now.

Horse will eternally bob up and down between 14 and 17 contract or not, until long after we are all dead. Probably until the heat death of the universe.

>> No.21891780

>>21891066
Can you post link? Can't find the 10 yr bond, only 10 year treasury note

>> No.21891806

>>21891732
Damn maybe I should do this.

>> No.21891816

>>21891713
enjoy your chemical sugar concoction

>> No.21891822

Should I just say fuck it and buy (1) share of Amazon today?

>> No.21891823
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21891823

>spotify
who else is still in?

>> No.21891847

>>21891822
All in on KTOV

>> No.21891848

FACEBOOK

>> No.21891869

>>21891822
Yes, then hold it for 2 years

>> No.21891872

>>21891649
quite the opposite, all pumps are manufactured, theres literally a b unch of guys sitaring at charts with 100x leverage all pressing buuy at the same time, it's inane

>> No.21891878

>>21891822
>I'm Freddy Franco and I can afford one share of Amazon

>> No.21891882

>>21891823
Would honestly sell right before the election, has been great for the corona bump in activity but it's not sustaining at all.

>> No.21891886

>>21891780
https://www.investing.com/rates-bonds/u.s.-10-year-bond-yield

Watch it closely. When it rose to 1% it crashed the market for 3 days. My cruise lines were absolutely slaughtered by 30%

>> No.21891897

>>21891806
It's nothing glamorous, I only make about $50 a day off of it, give or take, but over the course of a couple of weeks I can make $500 or so. I've been buying groceries solely off of my WKHS swings for almost 3 months now.

>> No.21891900

>Dump it

>> No.21891904

>>21891773
its about to hit 18 again

>> No.21891931

>>21891187
Price of bond goes down = yield goes up

Yield goes up = people are dropping their bonds for other investments because they are less risk-averse.

It doesn’t really mean anything except in this case people are being insane and buying shit at ATH because they think the worst is over

>> No.21891934

>>21891705
Kek, buy the dip.

>> No.21891937
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21891937

Is BABA finally dipping after a 20% rally?
I want to buy more

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21891943

Buy AMD today and thank me later.

>> No.21891981

>TSLA casually approaches $2100 like it's the standard price
Insider trading, they know how much they'll print from tomorrow. Hop in, faggots, last call.

>> No.21891997

>>21891937
Baba chad, explain to me, why you are buying baba? It seems to be undervalued.

>> No.21892014

>WKHS

1:14:27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjVejxf6vnM&feature=youtu.be

>> No.21892020

>>21891882
Dont even have shares, I called 270 8/28 yesterday, dipped way too much for no reason and just had good news with league of legends partnership

>> No.21892028

>TSLA
Holy mother of god, this is insanity

>> No.21892037
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21892037

if you sell AAPL or TSLA before the split you're a fucking retard, just saying.

>> No.21892051
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21892051

I sold my Tesla stock for $1999 yesterday.

I'm never going to make it with these pussy hands.

>> No.21892060

>DPHC
16.50 holy moly

>> No.21892075

>>21889947
Jpow is CHAOTIC EVIL

>> No.21892087

>>21892037
Kek, this is like the mvis pimp all over again. Everybody said sell the day of, smart money sold the day before and dirty money sold two days before and left everybody holding a bag.

I see the MOAD coming.

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21892099

>>21892051
THE SPLIT HASNT EVEN HAPPENED YET

I KEEP TELLING YOU RETARDS BUT YOU DONT LISTEN YOU NEVER LISTEN

>> No.21892119

>>21892087
short it then, fucker. post position you pussy you wont. also who the fuck is mvis?

>> No.21892124

>>21892087
what the fuck is a MOAD

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21892125

>>21892014
I sold calls for a crash goddammit.

>> No.21892152

>>21892125
they don't even mention WKHS and most people won't make the connection
they'll just go for DPHC

>> No.21892153

>>21892124
Mother Of All Dumps

>> No.21892157

CRM CHADS ARE YOU SEEING THIS RIGHT NOW? WTFWT

>> No.21892178

Can someone please explain the whole DPHC/RIDE thing to me, will all DPHC shares become RIDE 1:1? What's that whole shareholders only owning 17% ownership thing about?
>>21892051
Pre-battery day, pre-split, pre-SP500. Bad call desu anon BUT I assume at least you made some profit.
My stop loss triggered at $1,400ish and I bought back in almost straight away

>> No.21892186

>>21892119
Easy, cat shack. Im just commentating. I dont have skin in the game and tsla is behaving far too irrationally for me to risk a bet either way.

But judging from how hot youre coming in I can tell youre far too emotionally invested in this and on the verge of getting your ass burned.

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21892199

alright boys,
i took all my money and put it in
AAPL
FB
AMZN
TQQQ
i'll see you in a year when im a millionaire

>> No.21892204

And just like that WKHS never saw 18 for another month

>> No.21892210

>>21892157
some guy had $22,000 worth of $250c 8/28. Literally a 55x gain. the guy turned $22,000 into over a million in one trade, what a fucking legend

>> No.21892227

>>21892199
why not just fucking get FGNU and TQQQ?

>> No.21892235

Someone tell me what stock to buy I don’t want to do any research

>> No.21892240

>>21892204
its amazing how it has followed the exact same pattern since july and people here keep falling for it

>> No.21892241

>>21892087
**Pump I meant, of course. And for what its worth I scooped up a ton of mvis cheapies during that debacle and am up bigly now. Which is neither here nor there.

>> No.21892242

>There are people who bought aapl at 507

>> No.21892248

>>21892210
wait I have bad math, disregard. more like a 10x bagger

>> No.21892250

>Bought DFS at 49.50
>Sold at 53.10
>Srops to 52.53
>Free 600 dollars
REEE NO YOU CAN'T JUST TIME THE MARKET!!!!!

>> No.21892260

>>21892227
>twitter instead of msft
>tesla weighted that high
No fucking thanks

>> No.21892264

>>21892227
How high is TQQQ going?

>> No.21892269

baking bread

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>> No.21892276

>>21892235
MSFT, TSM, AAPL

>> No.21892297

>>21892264
Doubling every year for the foreseeable future

>> No.21892305

How much higher will MSFT go? Is this it’s all time top? I’m scared to buy any more at these prices

>> No.21892310

>>21891378
my good God

>> No.21892317

>>21892264
very

>> No.21892319

>>21892199
FB is the only one I'd choose alternatives over
>>21892204
Absolutely based stock, horse needs to rest a little while now

>> No.21892325

>>21892240
i still have so many puts from yesterday i almost sold at open for a 40% loss but then i used my brain for one nanosecond

>> No.21892326

>>21892264
To the moon

>> No.21892336

>>21891897
How long you think theyll keep up this pattern?

>> No.21892354

>>21892235
KTOV
Or unironically: TSM, MSFT, AMZN, AAPL, NVDA maybe

>> No.21892357

>>21892330
>>21892330
>>21892330
A man has fallen in the river
>>21892330
>>21892330

>> No.21892359

>>21891378
>Huge tits, small fussy little box

Come to daddayyyy.

>> No.21892364

appl 520c 8/28 holding strong. whos with me

>> No.21892375
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21892375

Finally sold my 2050 stock of tesla at 2100 thank god

Now, ill just wait to dip it again to 1990 before rebuying

>> No.21892449

Thoughts on TSM 90c 10/16?

>> No.21892485

>>21892375
what dip? we going to 2300 my nibba

>> No.21892506

>>21892336
I mean, it happens pretty much every day. If you're swinging like 50 shares, you'll make a minimum $20 every single day. It consistently drops at least .40 when RH market opens because it spikes a little bit and then RH kids sell off. Then you usually get a bunch of people that buy in at close and cause the early morning spike the next day. I think it's going to happen up until the announcement, but you never really know in this market.

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21892520

So I started buying stuff in june, only one stock at a time so I can learn a bit first. This is what I have
Rate or judge or whatever

>> No.21892552

>>21892520
>not going all in on one stock
Never gonna make it

>> No.21892696

>>21892087
Comparing apple to mvis lol

>> No.21892698

are IPOs swings or hodls? depends? Thinking of corsair and others like palanjew.

>> No.21892893

>>21892698
Airbnb, doordash, and maybe Robinhood depending on financials seem like great holds to me