/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>21799199
>What's the catch?
That land is next to a highway. Also I would imagine you have to worry about illegal mexcrement wandering through or squatting on your land.

fracking. your tap water is flammable

camino seco literally means dry road so probably no water. also the catch is you have to live in arizona and it's 120º

>>21799199
>What's the catch?
cartel goons will murder you

>>21799273
>>21799237
>>21799255
>>21799268
Nothing guns can't handle. What about here? Less than an hour from a major city and there's plants so there has to be water underground, no?

>>21799394
no water, electricity, or sewer. wells are expensive as fuck to drill. septic systems are expensive as fuck to install. electricity, i don't even know how that would work.

>>21799616
Septic for sewer. Solar for energy

>>21799648
the amount of money you would have to spend on solar panels would insane. arizona is hot as fuck, your energy usage for air conditioning would be enormous.

>>21799199
wtf are you going to do with 40 acres of non-arable desert?

>>21799728
fine, i give up. Back to wageslaving tomorrow

>>21799728
Build your home into the side of a mountain for naturally cooling

>>21799728
also you would need a massive battery array to store energy. people who do solar typically sell back to the power company when production exceeds demand and then net that against their draw from the power company when demand exceeds production (night time, cloudy weather, etc.) this isn't an option if you aren't connected to a grid.

You’re looking at land pretty Far East near the white tank mountains or further I think. You should look at land north of the i-17.
The land you want is near pine, or flagstaff, or strawberry, mounds park area, Prescott, that area. You get liveable summers, utilities are set up, and your land is still cheap with access to restaurants, schools, etc.

>>21799863
>>21799855
Build one of those underground desert houses, I think they did it in the mesopotamian epire or persian or some shit. where pretty based. good cooling. paint the top white like the greeks do and you have a cool home.

>>21799199
It's fairly priced (shithole that no one wants to own). There's essentially no arbitrage or growth opportunities in the real estate market these days because all the big players know the markets so well everything is priced accurately.

>>21799199
It’s probably only 130 degrees there right now

>>21799855
Fly away in an earthship

you see how there's a big ass sign that says "reserve"? that means other people can use the land. it might look like you have a lot of space but on the right summer day you might have never ending traffic out front and a line of campers out back.

they didn't build enough roads out west so everyone lives and/or plays on top of each other, it's so weird since they have so much space, the problem is they aren't using it efficiently.

>>21799899
Can't you just add a water pump that sucks the water into a tank when there's excess energy. Release it back down through a hydroelectric generator when you lack solar.

>>21799996
this comment made me look into arizona on google maps. I'm literally going around phoenix and this shit looks like the country side even tho im in "THE MIDDLE " of city. What the fuck is this? is this how america is? no wonder you guys all live in cars all the time holy shit.

>>21799855
sorry fellow wagie. it never even began for us

>>21799996
I thought it's expensive in that area?

>>21800596
Arizona is the biggest culprit of what you're looking at. It's called "urban sprawl". AZ is just very sprawled out. Look at Tempe, or just downtown phoenix for the city parts. West/northwest of Central and Washington moves from urban to suburban area, everything East of Tempe is absolutely the country side vibe, after you get past the eastern suburbs like Chandler and Mesa.

40 acres for 35k buy it sell the fracking rights to big oil

>>21800658
Not always.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5791-Twin-Oaks-Loop-Happy-Jack-AZ-86024/109646191_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8559-Bobcat-Dr-Show-Low-AZ-85901/108362919_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7317-E-Knighthood-Ln-Williams-AZ-86046/109637744_zpid/
keep in mind iwth this last one that you are less than 10 miles away from million dollar lots

>>21800423
Adobe houses are based and yeah set into the ground somewhat. Upkeep can be kind of expensive though since adobe experts aren't cheap and it's not the most durable of building materials. They stay cooler in hot months and warmer in cold months very well.
>>21800596
Western states are just enormous so most places never built upwards bc they could just get cheaper land next to that. Eventually cars showed up, nobody planned any of the cities to have transit, and you get enormous sprawling cities where you might live a 45 min drive from your job. It's pretty gross. The smaller western cities like Santa Fe are aesthetically very based though.

>>21800896
>you get enormous sprawling cities where you might live a 45 min drive from your job
what happens when we run out of oil?

>>21800696
>just downtown phoenix for the city parts.
Yeah and even then the city center looks like a suburb or like a small european village center with 1000 pop.
>>21800896
>and you get enormous sprawling cities where you might live a 45 min drive from your job
digusting.
I have this too, but its traffic jams. (motorcycle gets me straight through it tho).

Jesus christ guys, It's no wonder you guys are always advocating to not live in a city if this is city life for you guys. I literally shilled cities here a while ago and everyone got butthurt that I'd rather have 1 bedroom in the city center with things to do as opposed to a big home.
But yeah give me the big home if this is the option you get for a "city". jesus christ.

>pic related, you can see my house here.

>>21800596
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU NEED TO PAY $5K A MONTH FOR A TINY APARTMENT!!!! ;_;

>>21801382
looks like a shithole desu fampai

>>21799199
>buying a bunch of land for cartels to dump and bury bodies on
>getting disappeared when you mention shady trespassers to the bribed local authorities

that's a no from me

>>21801520
>I buy homes made with plywood walls, so I have to keep on renovating instead of buying homes that have lasted for 500 years have been unesco registrated including indoor renovations too be modern from the inside, and have a home that will outlast myself /my kids and my grandkids and can be passed on to even their grandchildren.


>>21801528
idk. maybe it is? but its my shithole. born and raised.

You take a plot like that, apply permaculture design to it to maximise water retention in the soil, bung in solar, composting toilets and build earthship into hill ???? profit

>>21801589
>when you mention shady trespassers
>snitching

yikes

>>21801631
>>21801382
Yuros will never understand the concept of freedom and land ownership. You should fuck off because you're incapable of comprehending the concept of liberty, doing what you want with your own land, living off the earth, etc.

It's a concept absolutely foreign to you and you'll never understand it. I advise you fuck off out of this thread.

>>21801382
Europoors will never understand the value, freedom, and experience of true land ownership. And yes, I do and have lived in several cities and its extremely cucked. If it’s all you’re used to, you probably don’t even realize it.

>>21801665
>>21801716
>Yuros will never understand freedom , because they don't buy massive liabilities.
Cope.

>doing what you want with your own land
hmmmm.

>>21799855
No, fuck you. Go buy that land and get your ass skinned alive by the Mexican cartel.

>>21801128
Literally not happening anytime in our lives so who gives a fuck?

>>21801716
>>21801665
the fuck can you even do with your own land besides make a cuckshed/ "muh end of the world bunker". the only proper uses are building a farming business o wow. just drop some greenhouses on it yeah that looks nice doesn't it.

>>21799394
that picture was likely taken after rainfall, or during winter. i am 85% sure that during the majority of the year that land is parched, dry, and hot as balls.

t. arizonian

>>21800592
uhhh sure that's a valid way that hydroelectric power plants store energy but this is in the fucking desert. PE = mgh, now assume some energy losses from pumping, estimate a height differential, then use the density of water to calculate the enormous volume of water you would need to store that much energy, and don't forget water evaporation losses. now calculate the cost of building all of this shit -- storage ponds or storage tanks, piping, pumps, control systems, etc.

>>21801789
>>Yuros will never understand freedom , because they don't buy massive liabilities.
SAVAGE

>>21799616
>electricity
Solar, wind, and tesla batteries.

>>21801631
Comfy af except for the lefties

>>21799394
What do you want to do with it? Grazing cattle that 40 acres might not support one. You cant grow crops. You might be able to find some specialty crop thats high value, but i doubt it. Its cheap because its barren. It doesnt even have value for agriculture. Its cheap because land is abundant if all you want is to build a house in the middle of nowhere.

>>21801856
anything you want. build an addition to your home. shoot guns. do autistic projects in your garage. grow weed or crops. landscape. sit on your porch and drink beer in the summer and listen to wildlife. i spent the first 25 years of my life in a town of 3000 people. i moved to the suburbs of a big city. the minute i step out of my shitty cuckpartment i see other people or i am constantly reminded of other people. i fucking hate it.

>>21801948
what he said>>21801980

>>21801980
ithought i was th eonly one i hate going in my backyasrd only to have my neighbors also be in their backyard i hate it

>>21801980
>do autistic projects in your garage. grow weed or crops
i literally do all these in my amsterdam appartment.
>sit on your porch and drink beer in the summer
ok balcony
>i moved to the suburbs of a big city
I bet it's the same shitty suburbs as >>21800596
I'm drawn to big cities, because having no voices around me gives me the fucking creeps. Why isn't there a train making noise? why arent there any drunks shouting below my window? WHY IS IT SO QUIET. The only times when it's quiet is when shit is going to happen.
I guess we are just used to different cultures. that's fine. Owning land still seems stupid to me and a huge liabilty. There is literally nothing you can gain from owning land you couldn't gain from hiking in government owned land and having a small greenhouse in your backyard.

>>21799855
>when reality kicks in after an dopamin rush

Iktf. Our time will come soon...

>>21802196
in an ideal world i would only see other people when i go grocery shopping or, god forbid, i go to work. i'm not even that autistic. i just hate being around other people, seeing them go about their lives even when they're not doing anything outwardly annoying. them being in my line of sight, it actually disturbs me at a deep and visceral level. living in a dense suburb is like being waterboarded 24/7.

>>21801980
you think this at first but the west is very crowded unless you're in a really small town

>>21802331
if i'm being realistic i think 2 acres of land with privacy shrubs is enough to satisfy me, except for the shooting guns on my property part.

>>21802294
>living in a dense suburb is like being waterboarded 24/7

ok wait. there's a difference between living in a dense suburb and living in the middle of a metro area are 2 completely different things.
If you ever go to pic related you will actually feel extremely comfortable and alone because you get lost in the crowd, which in my opinion is the best feeling ever. you don't get lost in the crowd in a suburb which sucks.
The place where I live needs to be either completely crowded to the brim or super low density.

>>21799616
>Wells are expensive to drill
You know you could just do it yourself, right?

>>21802411
if i had to deal with that on a daily basis i would rent a 26' uhaul and crush them all before killing myself

>>21802450
uhh many wells are like 100+ feet deep, probably much deeper in arizona in all places. my parents paid $10k to have their well drilled in northeastern PA like 30 years ago.

>>21802455
idk how people do commutes like this every day like you id end up doing something extreme, prob an heroing desu

>>21802455
kek. I love it. very easy to pick up women since the next one is like 5 seconds after that. very easy to get laid daily as well as make friends and plenty of things to do.

>>21801382
the first thing I noticed in Amsterdam was how the canals smell like shit

>>21799199
>fucking desert
>name literally states "Dry road" in Spanish
>uhh ohh why so cheap

>>21799863
yes then we kill the knife ears! Khazak Khazak DUM

>>21802532
>kek i love it, very easy to get aids

>>21799268
The temperature isn't going to be 120º at 4300'.

>>21802455
based

>>21799394
Enviornmentally protected, probably zero oil rights and water rights.

>>21800596
Yep, phonex is more town and country then city.

Most people in the world assume the USA is all like new York City.

It isn't. What you posted is. That's why cars are needed.

>>21800596
This nigga thinks 16300 W Peoria Ave is the 'middle of a city'.
kek

>>21802701
>>kek i love it, very easy to get aids
Yes anon fucking women in japan is easier to get aids to than america.

>>21802850
>>21802701

>>21802222
you sound dumb and gay

>>21801980
Poor babby hates other peepo, poor babby wants shoot gun gun in the yard yard

>>21799855
back in the cagie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIyBFNjc1kY
me? im just gonna continue NEETing and making autistic monkey videos abnout LINK
its monke szn. $1000 eom

Lolbertarians die pretty quickly once they find out their private fiefdom doesn't have any preexisting infrastructure.

>>21801789
i do whatever the fuck i want on my land, i have a gun, got 110 gallons right now

>>21801789
that map is super misleading
only utah,arizona, colorado, and oklahama prohibit rain water harvesting. the other states legalized it, the non marked states have no laws regarding it.

>>21802450
We're talking like 300-500 foot deep wells. Need big industrial machinery to do that. Could cost 20-40k, and no guarantee that they will hit water.

>>21801789
Its legal to harvest rainwater on your own land in both Arizona and Oklahoma. Google it. Idk about the other states listed

>>21803348
>Its legal to harvest rainwater on your own land
is this the fabled land of the free i keep hearing about?

>>21799199
>here cheap
>What's the catch?
its literal fucking desert?

>>21800596
Honestly this shit looks nice. I could see myself retiring to a large house somewhere like this.

>>21799199
its stolen land

>>21799728
>he's not used to heat
>he doesn't wear light colored comfortably-fitting clothing
>he doesn't wear a patrol/boonie hat
>he doesn't shower and cool off in the evening and night
you gotta get /desertmode/ son

>>21802411
I agree with this. I've lived in Seoul, a crowded suburb in central California, and a rural New England condo out in the forest. The crowded suburb was by far the worst.

>>21802923
Calling him a baby doesn't mean anything.

>>21799199
Do you get the mountain? I’d buy it just for that

>>21799199
Cheap? That's forty acres of sand for 35 grand.

I'm a poverty-tier retired boomer who lives in the Arizona high desert. Here's how some of this works:
>air conditioning
you gotta have a swamp cooler. Not ideal, but where I live it brings it down from 100-105 outside to 85-90 inside, in the depths of summer.
>water
you could get a well, but most people where I live pay a truck to deliver thousands of gallons of water to their house, which they store in a tank and pump into their house.
>Electricity
Solar and batteries are pretty effective when you aren't running an air conditioner. Also there are propane powered refrigerators.
>Internet
Satellite or cell tethering.

It's not the most comfortable lifestyle, but you get used to it. Got space, privacy, and it's so cheap I'll definitely never have to wagecuck again, which is worth almost any discomfort.

>>21803987
Are you upset you can't harvest rainwater of your neighbor? Wtf. Your freedom ends where someone else's begins.

>>21804526
I'm glad I'm not american

>>21804860
>Just stare at spreadsheets in a smelly tower in the city with a tiny condo, super high taxes, and noisy neighbors somewhere until you're 70 years old

>>21804860
>i'm glad I have to live in a pod and eat bugs

>>21804860
We're pretty happy you're not American too.

>>21799237
>mexcrement

>>21799199
because then you have to live in arizona

>>21804860
That's the great thing about America. If you want a shitty little apartment crammed next to niggers, you can have that too. The beauty is in the choice.

>>21799199
lived in phx for 10 years

>Hot as fuck, so hot that the deodorant melted in the backseat into liquid.
>Illegal to leave kids, pets in the car
>Nothing but beige, tan colored buildings everywhere
>Primary eating out choices: pizza, Mexican, and burgers. Gets incredibly old.
>Literally nothing to do, most people drive to Vegas, California, or lake havasu
>Call center jobs galore
>Girls are hot as shit. Legit porn stars in Scottsdale, though you need to be a chad or degenerate to have a chance with them
>Summer heat = death valley, walking to your car becomes a mission in and of itself. Doing this barefoot and you won't make it 3 feet
>ASU runs the entire state. Everything is centered around ASU. College parties, hot women is everywhere but again you have to be
Rich, Chad, or a degenerate to fit in
>good weed
>Republicans everywhere, but most people are liberal at heart.
>Minorities aren't really the typical minorities you see in the news. In phoenix everyone is there to "recreate themselves" can get pretty based at times
>Old money everywhere, arab money in various places. You can tell who's made it or not by the car they drive

Currently thinking about moving back, as compared to the south Arizona is a bit better. Though I might move to tampa

OP the place in your picture is quite literally in the middle of nowhere. Prime real estate is Tempe, Scottsdale, and then Phoenix.

i lived in AZ for years. these parcels are out in the middle of nowhere where there is nothing for miles and miles.

>>21806165
What's wrong with living in the middle of nowhere if you don't have to work though, honestly?

>>21799996
flagstaff is overpriced. prescott sucks, there is nothing there. munds park would be a good place though. 30 miles from flagstaff, but there is no money to make in flagstaff unless you are in the healthcare field, a truck driver, or construction/hvac guy

>>21799199
Here's the catch

>>21799855

>>21806165
wrong only idiots live in the valley
>>21805148
>because then you have to live in arizona
arizona is absolutely redpilled

american kowloon when

>>21800596
Yeah that’s all of America. That actually looks like nyc right there.

>>21801382
lmao looks like you get less than 3 hours of sunlight a day on the sidewalk during the summer solstice.

>>21803987
>river runs through my property
>it’s on my property so I’ll just store all of it forever
Are you retarded anon?

>>21806280
>Illinois and the whole west coast are under water
How can we make sea levels rise faster?

>>21804526
Can I visit?
T. Aussie with friends in Tucson who fucking loves Arizona

>>21802222
this has to be bait. what beannigger shithole are you larping from?

>>21800423
They do it in some places in Australia still
Pic is coober pedy church

Goddamn you people are autistic

>>21806280
I want to combine all these timeline maps and make a composite of possible risk zones.

Some timelines will play out, we just don't know which one we're in

>>21807130
Floridas still fucked in all of them but, right?

Best business idea, buy a parcel of land near a popular holiday area or close by.

Get portable lodges/designerish container homes for 7k a pop.

Put em up on airbnb and all the hotel websites

Profit

>>21799237

>This

Plus it's hot as fuck and in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. I don't mean to sound like a city fag, but land without infrastructure is fucking worthless unless you know what you're doing and have a plan to make use of it somehow.

>>21799199
you're doing this entirely wrong dude.
you are srsly going to buy American real estate?
big big big mistake. you can pickup beach front property in top shelf 1.5 world nations for around $100k and really amazing ones with pools for $325k USD
you should be focused on renouncing your US citizenship and going with Saint Kitts as your income/capital gains/and wealth tax solution bc its a tax haven. only tax there is a very small property tax.
sure you can live in Saint Kitts but its prone to major hurricanes so place your housing investment wisely higher up inland to be safer.

protip: http://nomadcapitalist.com
also search him on youtube

no one is saying you have to be an american and live under the most financially oppressive nation in the world.
so why are you?

>>21807777
>http://nomadcapitalist.com
Holy checked and based recommendation. Just bought his book. I'm gonna become a client just for these milkers "client satisfaction"

>>21807777
checked

reserve to moon? shit son

>>21807954
hes the best resource ive found when it comes to offshore banking, 2nd citizenships and ultimately saving your more of your money legally.

the real redpill with finance in general is that nationalism has no place in it.
the concept of going where the laws benefit you financially is the highest IQ play you can make with your money.
additionally you can actually live better in some places than you can in the USA but we've been brainwashed by the media to believe america #1 and everywhere else is just savages.

and just a forewarning, he has a lot of applicants and he wont just help anyone.
he actually was the guy who helped Roger Ver get his St Kitts citizenship and renounce btw.

https://www.youtube.com/user/nomadcapitalist

>>21808030
soon fren, soon. major exchange listings in just a couple months.

>>21808107
>https://www.youtube.com/user/nomadcapitalist
What's the best 2nd passport to get?

>>21806280
catch? you mean potential investment

>>21808222
the absolute fastest method will nearly a 100% success rate are citizenship by investment programs in the Caribbean.
you can get these citizenships totally private and in the mail while not informing your native citizenship of your new 2nd citizenship.
St Kitts is probably the best of the bunch mostly because of how the islands are operated so its more livable than some of the others.
so you just mail them a heap of documents and a $150k donation to a govt fund wait 6 months and just like that you have a 2nd citizenship.

you go to renounce your US citizenship in Barbados, the US embassy there covers St. Kitts and the other islands.

>>21808283
Thanks for the info. Watching the youtube vids now. So you need to renounce your US citizenship to get the tax benefits?

>>21799199
Mexicans.

Yes, really.

>>21808350
yes. without renouncing your US citizenship you are legally required to pay US extortion rate taxes.
no matter what you do tho, under no circumstances say you have a networth over $2MM USD to anyone in the govt.
if you do, in order to renounce you will have to pay an "exit tax" - which literally is a tax on your total net worth (regardless of whether youve sold the assets or not).
as absurd and jewish as that sounds its literally what the US does.
you have to be entirely tax compliant for 5 years up to renouncing.

good luck, renouncing usually takes about a week at the embassy.

>>21808412
don't they take 'renounce' applicants, turn them upside down and shake them before letting them go anywhere tho? saf I would

>>21808453
well yea thats the exit tax in a nutshell.
a more lesser known fact about renouncing is that your name goes onto an FBI watch list after you do it.
and once youve renounced there isnt a method to gain back your US citizenship for the majority of most ppl, its only granted back under extreme circumstances and usually involves a massive amount of money and or social connections.

>>21800596
Keep in mind Arizona is a relatively new state. People only started immigrating there after the Air Conditioner become affordable in the 1950s.

>>21808496
>US extortion rate taxes
Hows it work moving to Portugal / Puerto Rico for 6months a year? Why do a lot of people say that will save you taxes? Don't you still have to pay US taxes?

>>21808631
i wouldnt go to those countries, i think Costa Rica (citizenship by investment $400k) one of the safer 1.5 world countries in South america and Uruguay (bankers haven but more expensive for total cost of living, still cheap compared to the US) are better bets.

if thru your own retardation the embassy requires an exit tax out of you (they wont unless youve fucked up somehow) then your only real option to save more money is to just expatriate. Henderson even recommends this bc the exit tax will absolutely destroy your networth. youre better off just continuing to pay US taxes at this point and live abroad. some countries when you have a 2nd citizenship in say st. kitts will allow you to open bank accounts (they wont if u show them US passport). once youve crossed this bridge theres a long list of ways to entirely hide your money offshore im sure you can figure this step of the makeit plan out on your own.

ideally youd want to renounce so you no longer have to pay US taxes, just make sure you dont trigger the exit tax conditions and you should be good. renouncing has been increasing year after year btw.

>>21807777
>that team
this man only hires smoking hot eastern euro babes, sign me up

>>21808751
Appreciate the knowledge sharing. Thanks. ANy reason you say no on Puerto Rico?

>>21804860
Literally cope.

>>21801665
What part of a cardboard home means you're living off the land? How many Americans live off the land? It's got to be like 0.001% of the population

Built on top of underground alien bases

>>21800596
>peoria
>middle of the city

That’s a pretty far drive from the middle of the city lol

>>21808943
You'd be surprised, rural America has plenty of self sustaining communities specifically in the south and midwest

>>21799199
Apache also claim the land and occasionally raid it killing off any settlers foolish enough to try and make it their home.

>>21809744
kek

>>21803071
Arizona does not prohibit rainwater harvesting.
Post sauce for your claim.

>>21806280
see you down in Arizona Bay

>>21799199

>>21807777
>>21808107
My "problem" is that I have over $2M in gains, so even if I renounce my US citizenship, I still have to pay taxes. How cucked.

>>21809029
No thats not even Peoria, thats Surprise.
>Surprise, you're in the middle of nowhere!

Look in northern AZ, up near Williams. Lots of cheap land and the weather is way nicer. I think you’d have to find out if you could drill a well or not though.

>>21801856
You can get taxed the fuck out by the government

>>21810630
>Nevada

wtf

>>21811220
it sucks

>>21811220
no-one else wanted it
why Feds own the tip of FL tho, or is that all gatorswamp anyway

>>21799199
If you like living in nazi Germany, move there, anon. Gestapo all over the place, ready to anal rape you for any moving violation.

>>21811670
This. Nevada is much better.

>>21799199
Ave, true to Caesar!