/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>21786779
>Asks which job is a good job to be a slave at.

Fucking state of /biz/.

Kill yourself, faggot.

>>21786779
programming, but comfy level varies wildly between companies you're hired at.

>>21786779
This pic is so satisfying.

>>21786821
this

>>21786779
government jobs

>>21786779
get a coding job at a well established company, one that altready has a ton of clients and all that ever happens is "our client wants a new button here anon can you fix that" and that is your job for the whole week. Had a job like that for a year or so but went back to school.

Government maybe.

Being slave isn't fun, not supposed to be. Encourages you to not be valueless.

>>21786779
UPS drivers get paid pretty well, the work is work but it won't physically and mentally destroy you.

>>21786821
i have no idea how anyone could enjoy programming. i have a degree in applied math and work as an accountant. i know "how to code" but i tried teaching myself web dev and gave up after a few weeks. 99% of it is fighting with some shitty framework written by an HIV+ tranny to continually reinvent the wheel. it makes accounting look like fun by comparison.

>>21786832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGGTPPNdRQ

I love watching people cook on the wok. I wish I had one.

>>21786779

Friend works at apple. If you don't mind the liberal "free think" atmosphere, they literally just stand in a comfortable store all day get paid decently, during this furlough they are still getting paid to stay home and maybe do some team meating calls, 15% off apple stock, and the worst they have to deal with is some old person who thinks their email got hacked because they are still using cox mail

>>21786935
>99% of it is fighting with some shitty framework
yes but because of this reason you can also literally do fuck all all day and say you where trying to grasp the framework and still get paid.

>>21786916
>>21786883
This.
Working for the US Gov (DoD) 5 years now. I will never go back to the private sector.

>>21786935
Yes, you tried one tiny aspect of a field for a few weeks, so it's 100% shit. Actual retard or LARPing. Stick to your accounting, one of the most monotonous jobs available.

>>21786907
Not something you'll want long term, you'll be so bored you'll just kys. Being bored at work drains your energy as much as being productive.

>>21786832
its fake btw

>>21787007
welfare queen

>>21787050
Pretending to be busy is much more stressful than actually being busy. Time slows to a crawl in the former

>>21786779
security guard

I'm a junior doctor at an surgical department. The pay is shit, you're expected to accept whatever work hours your boss gives you and I never get payed for overtime.

>>21787050
>one of the most monotonous jobs available.
yeah i guess the upside is that i can make your life a living hell since we're all beheld to the almighty shekel

>>21786779

Healthcare can be okay. I'm an xray tech, and I have great job security. I don't mind the business at the moment, I don't want to get bored, but if I was exhausted and just wanted a cushy job I could find some outpatient doctor's office where you do like 8 xrays a day at most.

>>21786937
You can get a proper wok for under ten bucks man, it's a Chinese cooking utensil you think they pay more than that?

>>21787205
???

>>21787221
yeah but most people don't have a natural gas or propane line on their home capable of supplying 100k BTUs, much less the ventilation to properly cycle the heat/air.

>>21787007
>>21786916
>>21786883
As a NAF overseas, I can say I've worked for less and was expected to do more, but fucking kill me if I have to work with conniving, bickering dependas. Also, if you're not prior military or in the family, you'll never get promoted or get a GS job.

>>21787007
What do you do?

>>21786907
Isn't coding becoming a worse position as time goes on? This is what I've heard from people in the field but they could just be meming.

>>21786917
>>21786950
>>21787131
These are wage slave positions.

>>21787310
I should add-- if you're not black, brown or a woman too. Most directors at this base are black and everyone in HR is a woman... let's just say there's a backlog of files that goes back 10 years and shit that happens every year comes as a surprise no one is prepared for. Also, turnover is insane, not even due to PCSing, wives hop jobs month to month wreaking havoc princess parties everywhere they go.

>>21787276
>notice a "concerning trend" in the P&L
>bring it up to senior management
>support it with confusing spreadsheets and narrative
>hell rains down on those responsible

>>21786883
This
Here in Spain we don't do shit
9 months without working. Thank you Corona-chan

>>21786779
They all cost at least 8 hours a week. You are always, always, limited by the amount of hours in a day and your physical endurance as an employee.

I unironically like my teaching job. The worst part is the time you waste grading shit

Summer vacation, lots of breaks, snow days. If you stomach being a morning person you are done with your day early (unless your a new teacher and you need to develop lesson plans). Coaching can also be fun and you get to talk about things you find interesting for a living

Downside lack of bros for colleagues and insane parents

>>21787309
I don't like how people like Kenji focus so much on wok hei and how stir fries don't taste as good without super hot gas flames. My mom uses her wok to cook home style meals and avoids making "restaurant food" because she knows she can never match their wok hei. There's a lot of shit you can do with a wok. It's not all just smoky stir fries that require a smoking hot pan and big gas flames to combust aerosolized oil.

>>21787144
What country?

It will be summer in Antarctica soon, a lot of positions available

>>21787310
Based NAF anon. Where are you now? I rode the NAF train for years on SOFA working at the gyms in Grafenwöhr and then Stuttgart. Like you said it was all retired black guys wanting to live in Germany for the white bitches. Absolutely zero effort job, getting paid to unlock the doors and turn on lights, workout, eat at the DFAC, browse the free interwebs. Living overseas exempt from all their bullshit taxes. Good times.

>>21787313
Now I am a GS-12 IT Technician in Hawaii. I do cabling and infrastructure projects but I'm completely unsupervised and work with all boomers who know the game: don't ask don't tell mind your own business and get paid.

>>21787612

Does everything moving towards electronics make grading easier? Isn't the pay abysmally shit?

>>21787313
you literally asked for good wage slave positions retard

>>21786950
Didn't knew that, seems comfy

>>21787788
In Japan, worked at a Gym, literally all I did was hand out towels and close/open, with covid, clean more than usual, but still chill. It would have been amazingly chill without the American wives and disgusting cockslut young japs/flips/ties. Japanese guys of all ages are the BEST to work with along with old Japanese women and based boomer vets. Now I'm doing warehousing/event set up, it's a lot more work, but I get paid a dollar more and I don't have to deal with massive shit heads. I even got a govt drivers license and a forklift license out of it. How you described your gym is how mine was, I did so much studying on the job... I'm under my state's tax, though...

>>21787050
Agree with last statement

>>21786779
Any job that pays well, has low stress and doesn't tax your body.

DYOR on that.

>>21787399
This is actually true. Dependents are the worst. Seriously anon you have to get into CRD Sports & Fitness, the only NAF job worth the bullshit. If you're in Germany I'll get you references.

>>21788037
Your the retard.

>>21788060
Noice!
I was thinking of heading out to Japan or Korea next. Are you there with family or did you just YOLO out there? (Or did you meet a girl? jeje)

Is your end game to live there forever?

>>21788460
Yolo'd it, and I'm looked at pretty weirdly because of it. At first I thought I would want to stay here for a while, but as I go on, I absolutely hate even seeing the base and its effects on the surrounding area, and I don't want to be an english teacher... so I don't really know where to go from here other than back to my family. I have/had a jap gf who did it all, but she reminds me too much of the people on the base. I'm really trying to distance myself from it, but it's really the only way I can be here and not back in my shitty state. IDK.... I'm kinda depressed as of late. I almost hit it off with one of the high schoolers (she's 18), we made out and she even walked to my place to make out but now she's trying to say she's gonna be all busy for the school year. My current relationship is so shitty that I'm obsessing over a girl more than a decade younger than me. I know these little bitches try to get military cock every chance they get, so she must have been one of them. Good riddance, but I haven't been with an 18 year old with a nice body like that for a loooong time... Hows the game in Germany for that?

>>21786935
> accountant thinks he’s smart and hot shit. Count beans good
> tries programming
> wow this is mentally challenging
>PROGRAMMING SUCKS GUYS AM I RIGHT

This progression is so common that it’s a trope in the industry, puffed up nocoder thinks “I can do what those eggheads do” only to realize they’re actually not as smart as they though they were. Stay in your lane spreadsheet boy

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>>21787469
Hey! That's not tr... Oh, wait, it is.

Bless you, Corona-chan.

>>21788879
i have a degree in applied math, niggerbrain. programming is dreadfully boring.

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>>21788716
Dang. I know those feels. I YOLO'd over there as a 21 year old to meet a girl I met online. Broke up with her weeks later but kept the gym job. Was looked at weirdly, but there were always 1 or 2 other guys who had done the same, and its wild that I'm talking to one on biz now.
Germany... yea, Grafenwoehr is the enlisted base, so surrounded by clubs, and german girls are obsessed with black guys to the point it became such a meme. There are entire populations of mulatto kids with single german moms in the Oberpfalz area. So I gtfo to Stuttgart, which is 99% officers. Very tightwad but polite community. Just like you I did the study while working deal at the University in Vaihingen. Lots of pretty girls there. I only dated a few.

Are you at the marine base?

>>21787612
this but im in IT for a school district, comfy as fuck. I barely work at all, and it's easy shit. Plus i get off work whenever the students are off, and mad benefits.

>>21789185
You’re still trying to use an appeal to authority to cling to the idea that you’re smart. If you can’t hack it (APPLY that math dummy) then you’re just coping.

>>21786779
I work for a municipality driving a recycling truck
>4 day work weeks (Monday to Thursday)
>work schedule is 7am to 530 but you get to leave when you’re done and I’m out of there by 1-2 every day and you get paid for the whole day
>yearly raises, pension plan, Hollidays off
>easy as fuck just drive a truck and dump cans using a joystick
>once you learn the routes and the truck nobody really bothers you all day
>people often come out and give me gift cards, drinks, food, etc
I only make about 40k but I’m 24 my highest form of education is GED, Live with my parents, own 4K link, 39k in the stock market. All things considered it’s pretty based if you ask me.

>>21789366
Why are German women so disgusting

>>21789185
>calls himself a mathematician
>actually works as an accountant

>>21789663
That ain't bad at all. Good on ya.

wage-cucks ITT

>>21789663
I thought you guys make way more than that. How much is the average pay in your area ?

>>21787007
How’s the Arsenal?

>>21786779
remote pentesting would be a great gig - you probably won't be able to work remotely for the first 2-3 years though.

get your OSCP cert and you're golden

>>21786779
I make > 220K "working" from home - that's the base pay.
t. code janitor

>>21789766
Probably make way more up north doing it but I’m in North Carolina. A lot of the guys I worked with went to the private sector working for companies like Waste Management or Waste Industries and now make like 70k-80k but work 6 days a week with fucked up schedules and no benefits. I’m really into fitness and investing so if I did I feel like I would have no time for that stuff. I also could get my class As and drive other trucks and make more money but I’m happy with what I’m doing

>>21789767
Neglected and full of rust but I still 60-years-old shit like this take off every morning.

>>21786935
your degree is not a symbol of knowledge but badge of virtue.

>>21787615
Wok hey is the characteristic of stir fry though. Its not so easy to get just right, the timing is quite tight becauss of the huge heat

>>21789412
we'll see who has the last laugh when US tech wages normalize with the rest of the English speaking first world

>>21786779
>>21786779
Garbage men can be payed quite well.

Reaöly any type of businesses where unions are prominent, tends to pay well.

>>21790214
Or when accounting is managed by weak AI and software. Really makes me think

>>21789185
I double majored in comp sci and math (focus in statistics) and you talk like a fag and your shits all retarded.
I currently work as an Angular “””””engineer””””” making just under six figures to do maybe ten hours of real work a week, which in turn allows me to focus my time on fun personal projects. If you were as smart as you think you are, you’d be able to pick up an easy programming job and use your downtime to focus on the things that actually interest you.

>>21790907
He doesn’t strike me as the type to have any interests other than sucking his own cock and stroking his own ego over his overinflated sense of self-importance

>>21790907
Yeah but you are an actual retard that has less reading comprehension than a 5 years old.

>>21791124
>heh programming is for idiots
>wtf how dare you call me an idiot! YOU CANT READ

>>21787111
This is why you get a remote version of that type of job. No need to pretend to look busy, just get your minuscule amount of work done, enjoy your free time and collect checks.

>>21786917
I was a UPS driver. Its probably the most stressful endeavor ever. So much pressure on you to go fast

>>21787007
found the African American gentleman

>tfw real estate normie from high school msgs me on FB
>Hey anon, you're a total computer feel right? Could you refer me to good YouTube channels to learn to code?

Why do normies think they can just watch a YouTube video and be a programmer? I don't mean to act like you have to be a genius but normies/boomers will not hack it, it's simply not something they can put their minds in the perspective to.

>>21786935
Lol brainlet filtered

>>21786935
It's because web dev is fucking shit, the logic behind it is minimal, it's literally design but with more steps because code.
Coding logical stuff is fun, web/APP dev isn't

>>21790863
you don't understand what an accountant at a large corporation actually does.

>>21788879
>spreadsheet
How is this still a thing? I thought Python was standard high school curriculum nowadays. How is Excel still around when Pandas exists?

>>21791440
I’m a CFO at a mid-level manufacturing company. Pissants like you are easily replaced, preferably with Indians (dot not feather)

>>21791890
>I’m a CFO at a mid-level manufacturing company.
no you're not.

>>21786935
let me guess, you tried React and it was too complicated for you to handle. Stick with crunching your numbers in Excel son, and also React sucks lmao

>>21789663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZeI74MPwfI

>>21786779
I’ve made $50k+ in an office, and now I make $50k+ in a trade (government contract). Each has their drawbacks.

In the office job I was salaried but often worked more than 40 hours. I felt constantly stressed due to the workload, conference calls, deadlines and around the clock emails.

In construction I wake up at 4AM every day and frequently work 50-60 hours per week. But when I’m off work I am *off* — zero stress or worrying about what the next workday will bring.

At the end of the day a job is a job.
Do whatever you have to do to make enough $ to progress in life, and make sure you enjoy your free time.

>>21786779
I manage a pot shop and its pretty fun. I get lots of free weed, I get to smoke all day, and I make more than a lot of my friends who went to college.

>>21791440
Used to be a CPA. If you're low level, you make the same adjusting entries every month, year after year. Higher level, you update the same spreadsheet quarter after quarter. Highest level, you massage earnings using the same old tricks, but not too blatantly, otherwise your auditors might begin to question if the risk is worth the fee. Also, the whole industry is brainlet tier (myself included), as you can tell by it being overpopulated with roasties.

>>21791943
the fact that you're talking about frameworks shows how utterly ridiculous your "profession" is. it's only a matter of time before code monkeys and middling software "developers" experience a significant wage depression which put them in line with other white collar professions. if you think it's logical and sustainable for self taught code monkeys to make twice as much as a substation engineer or a doctorate chemist in pharma, you are utterly delusional.

>>21792086
you're like 50% right. about half of my entries are judgement based and i have a lot of freedom to apply that judgement. i also undertake process improvement projects and help manage our audit and some of our external contracted manufacturing arrangements. my company, at least before covid, was undergoing rapid expansion with significant M&A activity which is interesting (and annoying) from an accounting perspective. a lot of the job is retarded wagie bullshit, but i think it's the superior alternative to looking down the barrel of a gun while writing meme.js webapps in the tranny framework du jour.

>>21786779
Just trade low cap shitcoins until you make it. I'm serious. Buy Verasity. Stake for 2 years. Should be good enough.

>>21786950
Their phone support advisors work from home, one buddy of mine does this and just plays vydia all day while taking calls.

>>21792032
That's a lot of work for meh pay.

>>21792331
Shitcoins are not particularly reliable.

>>21786779
oil and energy positions pay damn good
>Work From Home
Maybe you want to do this if you're a faggot

>>21786779
I work for a state government agency and am making 21 an hour working 40 hours a week, with 3 days being remote so I can stay at home with my wife. All I do is just buy shit for the state. Comfy jobs can be had.

>>21786935
>>21791440
>>21790214

The irony of an accountant, who is unable to code, thinking that the coders job is on the chopping block before theirs. NGMI dude, the work you do all day is predicated on the software built for you by programmers

>>21786832
>that pic is so satisfying

>>21793385
Slave mindset.

>>21791362
Fuck management friend, I'm a UPS driver as well. I invest 1k a month and live like a king. Compared to being broke dick poor this is the life and I've made connections through delivering to get into finance. Leverage the social skills you gain from delivery and gtfo while you're young.

>>21793500
No matter how many times I see it, I can’t get over how perfect this image is

>>21793445
again, you have no idea what an accountant actually does. accounting isn't a javascript tranny exercise which is largely free of consequence, where every mistake is rectified by a bug patch because you broke the way a button functions in internet explorer 11. let's say you could automate my job (you can't.) imagine what would happen if the financials were materially misstated or issuance was delayed. investor confidence and stock price would plummet, debt covenants would likely be revisited in light of new risk factors, external audit risk tolerance would swing the other way, shit would be absolutely fucked from a financial perspective. there's a reason why i'm personally meeting with executive leadership of a publicly traded company on a quarterly basis, and there's a reason why the CFO of my company has my personal phone number.

>Which forty hour work week job is the best?
The only way I will consider ever "working" again in my life if it's two or three days a week at a low-demand place like a restaurant in a small town.

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>>21786935
>i have no idea how anyone could enjoy programming
Think of it like woodworking. Some people have an undying desire to create and programming is a great outlet for that. It's not for everyone

>>21793776
You're an arrogant, ignorant prick.

It's not a dick measuring contest about whose job is harder. It's that you're revealing how little you know about 1. programming and 2. automation. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the tools you use and the industry that drives their creation. Companies have widely stated that they're more worried about access to talent than capital over the next decade. That wouldn't be the case if automation was a real concern to the industry. It's mostly a consulting buzzword when it pertains to most white-collar labor, pushed to suck money out of stupid schmucks like yourself.

>>21793776
Man you are really delusional. Automation does happen from the bottom up, so you are probably safe for now, but the idea that applying rules to financial statements can't be automated is absurd. Your "discretion" is an internal control weakness that will be automated out eventually in the interest of consistency. Over the past 30 years, teams of auditors testing transactions have been replaced by a couple of people testing systems. That trend is only accelerating.

>>21793776
> if i COUNT BEAN WRONG, line could go down
heaven forbid

>>21787964
I teach history so I grade essays and papers which really can’t be automated

Yes the pay is dogshit. I used to work at a public school where the pay was better and you could get a pension. Dipped into private so it’s even worse but working under and around faggot leftists is unbearable. Now I get to teach actual history and not worship mulatto lesbians

>>21794736
It absolutely can. You have a machine grade on:

grammar

length

mention of various words/topics and how much content is associated with them

etc.

We already have algorithms write articles so we can absolutely develop a kind of AI metrics that are configurable by the instructor.

Spits out a recommended grade, human verifies it, that's an easy startup company right there.

>>21786779
I'm a pilot for a legacy airline. Flying is a passion for me so I never feel like I am a wage slave. I literally hate nothing about my job. Nothing.

>>21794902
That doesn’t sound bad as long as teachers actually look it over but I guarantee lazy retards won’t

>>21794602
you're a slave to the shekel counting jew just the same as me.

>>21794344
>Over the past 30 years, teams of auditors testing transactions have been replaced by a couple of people testing systems.

i worked in big 4 audit for a while. my firm (EY) spent a few hundred million dollars on the development of "analytics" driven testing software. it didn't decrease the number of people on the audit team. it didn't save the client any money. in fact, it resulted in more work and in my opinion it created even more risk despite the PCAOB being a part of its development. like all "machine learning," it's nothing more than a jewish black box where bullshit data is input and garbage data was output, the results of which were interpreted and manipulated such that the bottom line fits a partner's expectations and conforms to a client's bullshit tolerance.

>>21795301
I agree. It won't actually change anything - good educators will still get good results, while lazy ones will let their underperforming students fail. But it will create more standardization of curriculums and another step in the steady march of increasing the student:educator ratio.

>>21795364
Yep, but at least it's not the core focus of my job. I wouldn't want your job but I acknowledge it's purpose in sating our Jew overlord's need for financial quantization of everything under the sun.

>>21794902
these retards... have you programmed anything or worked in the real world? This would free up time for teachers and will give the papers a once over after the machine grades it. Full automation of jobs like this won't be in our lifetimes.

i plan to work part time as a bartender at a ski resort once i make it. The perfect life. Banging sloots who flirt with you at the bar and skiing all season.

>>21795881
If you read my post I wasn't arguing that full automation would happen. No need for name calling. It's obvious to anyone that's paying attention that AI will be the kind of middleware I describe, with a human as the final step in the process.

>>21795881
You're literally calling me a retard and parroting the same idea:

> Spits out a recommended grade, human verifies it, that's an easy startup company right there.

HURR U RETARD (you)

> This would free up time for teachers and will give the papers a once over after the machine grades it

DIS MY ORIGINAL IDEA! (you)

>>21791468
>I thought Python was standard high school curriculum nowadays.
KEK i wish

>>21786779
I get $42/hour 40 hours a week to occasionally wire up a transformer. Shits cash.

>>21786779
no, nothing will satisfy you