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if first then its a green day

>>21704330
And a green ID too.

>>21696471
>Not taking advantage to fund stonks

>>21704330
My favorite kind of green.

Friendly reminder, today is the last chance to buy Tesla stocks before the split Record Date closes. If you're STILL doubting after the bull run we've just started, you'll miss the fuck out.

Eat my ass

invest in solar and wind

>>21704396
....... People are going to treat this like dividend sniping and the thing is going to tank street open, isn't it

>>21704478
They are dead industries. Better nuclear is the future.

If Trump wins, what happens to the markets? If Biden wins, what happens to the markets?

>>21704491
Opening bell this morning? Or....

So uhhh why exactly is TSLA worth $2k

It's just a bunch of rets funnelling money into it, i mean the time horizon where the company would have the revenue and profit to actually drive that is decades away, so is it expected that it'll be fucking $100k in 10 years?

Just seems crazy to me

>>21704532
theres no logical reason people are just doing it because everyone else is doing it

>>21704513
Trump: Depression
Biden: Bull until depression.

>>21704491
Why would it tank? The greed is real, even if it drops 10% today you will be fine as long as you didn't buy the top. On Monday it will pump like fuck because of the Battery Day. Then we have the split, another 10% drop of Normies cashing out to pay a rent and then up again on the Stimulus Wave. Just hold and you'll be fine.

>>21704532
You just described the entire market

At least TSLA has a theoretical point I'm the future where it would be worth a shitload

Now explain ZM

>>21704500
nuclear would be the future in an ideal world but we're stuck with an environmental movement as afraid of nuclear as they are of actual pollution

>>21704532
There
Is
No
Alternative

There is literally nothing better you can do with your Fiat money right now.

>>21704565

>>21704549
>>21704567
Christ, I want out of this clown world.

>>21704623
I don't do options so I don't understand a single thing on this pic, sry. I'd lose too much trading them, prefer good old buying low selling high.

>>21704567
>Now explain ZM
Gret software
nevah bin dun before!

>SPY with new ATH
>my depot flat as fuck
my winners like MSFT are just paying for stuff like XOM which is down like motherfucker even though i got in at 44
Fucking shit

>>21704598
Oil and all the other industries are due for a ride anon. The Virus is on a timer and won’t be keeping everyone inside forever. Tech will dip like a motherfucker once confidence returns in society.

I’m selling my TQQQ the second any game changing news about the virus drops and going hard into oil and other essential industries

Just drink the Tesla Kool aid anon. I've fought it for so long. Said it was overpriced for so long. Keep a tight stop loss. Adjust it as needed. And ride the wave boys

>>21704565

So, what is battery day?

Like a new battery for the cars already purchased?

Sounds like hype bullshit regurgitated by stocktwit like faggits desu

>>21704598
what about BTC ETH LINK gold silver

>>21704673
I’m watching it rise since like 700. with every push higher it gets even harder to buy in
FML

>>21704567
>tesla has theoretical future

Guess so does Nikola. Who's retarded enough to buy ATH on spit balling? Lmao

>>21704576
True, but people don’t give a fuck when they don’t have power, or their electrical bill $1828373717 a month. All the trendy 26 year old Harvard graduates don’t care when it seriously inconveniences them. Look at California and watch how many of the “hippies” go against solar and all that bullshit real quick

>>21704722
This exactly. Hell I watched since 300$ thinking it's stupid. Then 1k I almost shit. Then 1500. Then 1800 I finally said fuck it. There is no top in clown markets. Just buy and praise be to the Lord and savior Elon Musk

>>21704762
California's power problems have nothing to do with renewables versus coal or whatever argument you want to pretend it's about. California has had continuous problems since the 90s because their entire electrical industry is graft and corruption built on graft and corruption. They could be pure nuclear, or pure solar, or pure gas; it really doesn't matter, they'd find a way to mismanage it.

>>21704623
what app is this it looks like RH but ive never seen spreads on there. also are you doing this on margin or are you legit risking $100,000 on stupid calls

>>21704737
TSLA has products and gigafactories and Elon musk

Don't act like there's a comparison because there isn't a comparison

>>21704576
It's just lack of education and fear from several incidents that make nuclear scary. I don't think people are as against it as you think tho. It's the future of energy along with green counterparts. Buy uranium

>>21704737
>Nikola
You are retarded if you seriously just compared both.

>>21704814

Are you telling me that California doesn’t have their shit together?

>>21704819
The one I sold is higher than the one I bought

If it closes completely ITM each one pays out $1,000 and the shares go from whoever I bought the lower one from to whoever I sold the higher one to

My risk is $1,200 total

This is the only way I can bring myself to play the situation because fuck those option prices

>>21704791
Tulip mania all over. Don't get caught carrying the bags. Don't short either because who knows how long it will last, but at the end of the day you are owning an overvalues asset, granted there very well could be an endless supply of greater fools willing to pay more and more

Why is this up so much?

>>21704823
All that was priced in long ago. Lmao

Giga factory is just a big factory, like any other company.

The AI auto drive system is still buggy. No solar panels were delivered despite a 10 year deadline. Still made zero profit to date.

Meme words doesn't equal to a product. Tesla will collapse hard despite the cult like dick riders desu

>>21704890
oh interesting anon. i thoguht you were dropping $100,000 per option which is cool but insanely risky if you arent a millionaire

So if i can't afford tesla, what are some other good options today?

>>21704890
how does the sell work though, if the price drops subtantially wouldnt that take more than your initial 1,200 risk?

>>21704973
Oil if you don’t mind holding for a bit

>>21704946
I'll see you at $3000 bro, will you be seething still?

>>21704917
What isn't over valued tho. Look at how many ETFs hold Tesla. Hell almost all my options for my 401k mutual funds have Tesla in them. You think they will pull out without some major ground breaking news? Or add to their position post split? Fundamentals don't matter.
>>21704946
And fuck yes but I've been screaming that for months. And it keeps not happening. Just drink the Kool aid anon and meet us on Mars

>>21704478
They honestly have no future. Ironically the more limited use of oil during covid and the reduced price that has resulted makes renewable energy even less likely to ever take off.

Invest in oil and huge trucks. The post Covid world is going to be people avoiding rioters in the biggest gas guzzlers they can get.

>>21704668
>going hard into oil and other essential industries
what stocks do you have in mind?

>>21704581
no I don't think it's that, I don't think they've rolled it out yet, they would notify me surely (second half of 2020 they said)
why would that nuke my margin by 2k anyway

this still isn't resolved and it said the deadline is three hours from now and the desk hasn't responded what the god damn

>>21704976
If I just let it expire like that, yeah.

Which is probably what that train retard did.

I only let it expire if TSLA is over the higher strike

>>21704668
Why would tech crash? They don't just lose value as soon as people get moving again.

>>21704973
RKT

What am I buying today /smg/? Got a couple of grand unallocated and feeling like meme stock season is over.

>>21705024
Yep. All the ETFs and index funds hold FAGMANT so they'll only keep going higher.
I moved 40% of my 401k into large cap growth bc it didn't have any tech ones.

>>21704654
Don't be afraid of options, anon. They give you a ton of control over what kind of market move you are trying to predict. At least spreads can. I would never advise buying plain calls and puts, but you should watch a youtube series on spreads/theta strats. They're incredibly useful in your portfolio, just don't get scared and don't be greedy.

>>21704654
Once you understand premium and time decay.
You can make plays with less money than you need to buy stock.

Guy in the picture is going to make money is the stock is above break even by the expiration date.
So he wil make money even if the stock goes back down under 2000. Which mean that is the price didn't move, he would profit anyway.
But if the stock goes under 1850, he will lose alot more than just owning the stock.

You can't do that with buying shares.

Options also allow you to react to moves. Where as with shares, you are buying with high risk after a pump, with options you can make money out of the volatility and make plays on the voltatility or the decrease in volatility.

e.g. KODK pumped pre market from 2.5$ to 12$.
I sold a 5$ put for 70$ betting that even if the stock corrected, it would not go bellow 5$.
The stock indeed corrected, down to 7.5$ before close. But it mooned the day after to 60$, throughout all that, I was in the money. No worries, small risk, because only had 430$ max loss in case stock went to 0.

Yes. Options are complicated but they allow for a bigger range of plays.

I'm about to get fucked in the ass on SLV, bought at 25.5 on Wednesday thinking it's not gonna go lower than that surely

Absolute state of the stock market

>>21705361
Do you know of a good book or guide on options trading? I've been in the market for a few weeks now but I'm holding off on options trading until I have a better grasp of things.

>>21704890
>This is the only way I can bring myself to play the situation because fuck those option prices
I made a 1975/1970 put credit spread.
If it closes above 1975 I make 193$, if it closes bellow 1970, I lose 310$

>>21705335
People are likely to sell tech and buy into oil and other industries once the market recovers. Not a bad time to sell when tech is at record highs and oil is so low. Just food for thought

fundamentals always wins in the end, but i didn't expect it to revert back so fast. Frankly $75 is definitely closer to fair value for TSM when their capacity is already fully booked until mid 2021 anyways (not a lot of upside left in the short-term).

so what the fuck was the dip on TSM all about?
>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-20/taiwan-stocks-slump-as-worry-builds-about-china-s-5g-rollout
doesn't make sense to me. Am I to assume that people in the general market panicked with overall market movements? Then after market closed they suddenly remember that big tech companies are desperate for TSM's limited capacity so even if TSM loses a customer it would instantly get filled up by someone else (like what happened when they lost Huawei).
shit like this is why i don't bother to put trailing stops on long-term picks I'm confident in. Just have a price target and forget about it for a couple years.

>>21704513
>If Trump wins clearly markets will go up just like last time. The riots that follow in major cities may have some impact on city REIT stocks, but they've been going on for months anyway.
>If Biden wins, it will be after lengthy vote counts in Virginia and Nevada because of the universal mail in voting nonsense. The uncertainty created by weeks without a result to the presidential election will cause a COVID level crash.

I plan on pulling out of equities before the election in case of a Biden win. On the bright side, as long as you get out completely, there may be a great opportunity to buy the dip from the Biden crash.

>>21704552
Explain your reasoning.

>wake up
>look at my TSLA and AAPL positions

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>21705605

>>21705605
>"What? He bought the ATH TSLA at $2000? Pump it, announce something big on the Battery Day, pump it again, split the shares and unleash the Zoomers. Shake out the paper hands with a -5% dip and pump it again."

Even all these FOMO latefags yesterday are already in the green.

>>21705462
Not him but I had to read this book for my interview at a market making trading firm who only trade options, they only gave me a three day notice before the interview that o needed to know this book from front to back so you'll be able to as well.

https://www(.)google(.)com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://terredegaia.free.fr/ppics/Trading/Mcgraw-Hill%2520-%2520Option%2520Pricing%2520And%2520Volatility%2520-%2520Advanced%2520Strategies%2520And%2520Trading%2520Techniques%2520-%2520Sheldon%2520Natenberg%2520-%2520(1994).pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjO88fpjqzrAhWPCOwKHXPgDcwQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw1qGfEnBoIArm1iYMRfJulL

>>21705687
Can confirm. Got in yesterday morning at 1860.... Next stop 2100 boys

>>21705687
im still not selling until at least a week after the split, probably best option is going to be to sell a couple of days before battery day in all honesty. battery day is probably when people are going to do a buy the rumor sell the news sort of deal, that's probably when it will dump hard.

(and then i'll probably buy the dip lmao)

>>21705687
imagine selling Tesla at $1600 last week

haha

>>21705799
Battery Day is tomorrow dumdum.

>>21705867
lel nvm, it's September, my brain malfunctioned

>>21705525
(((Business news))) that explain why something happened is just massive cope, they dont know why themselves most of the time
>Taiwan stocks slump
Is just a shit article, nobody would read it as just watching a chart has the same information in a more efficient format

>>21705867
>>21705893
the irony, kek

>>21705547
I'm apolitical. Never voted, never will. Partially believe presidents are selected, not elected.
It's time for a recession in this honk honk. Been that way for a year, if not longer. It's going to happen, especially with the last 6 months of bullshit.
Trump: We've heard nothing but 'orange man bad' for the past 4 years. If they can prop this up until after the elections, it'll be a 'fuck you, let it burn. Great Depression 2.0, orange man bad'
Biden: I'm following Mannarino on this one. More easy, free, and corrupt money. It's who the bankers want in place.

>>21705899
>market slumps today due to covid concerns
>market rises today as investors ignore concerns of covid

it's the same shit every day, it's worthless

>imagine not buying these high quality US stocks

>>21706015
fuck pfizer

they got a good part of the world population hooked on xanax, they've been getting shoutouts in rap songs for years and yet their stock price has been stalling for the past 20 years, seriously fuck pfizer, fucking retards...

Finally, KTOV paid off. +400% premarket. Hop on boys

>>21706015
Fuck every single company on this list, Blizzard can just fuck off to China at this point.

>>21706123
>Headquarters: Israel
Oy vey

>>21704623
can somebody explain how this isn't a shitload of risk if TSLA tanks?

>>21706123
Did they pull it from Robinhood?

>>21706145
Yep, big money time soon

Wew, 800%+ now. Buy KTOV asap boys!
Don't miss out on this moon mission

>>21706187
Nah, looks like a Jewish pump and dump to me. I've seen it before.

>>21706083
pharmaceuticals are a crapshoot with the massive money pits that drug development can be. The statistics on how many shit fails through clinical trials should be terrifying for you if you're holding pharmaceuticals long-term. If covid wasn't a thing, you should stay away from pharmaceuticals entirely unless you have insider information or you're basically just playing the lottery (also a lottery with covid, just with better odds).

like for every drug that gets approved, look into how many other drugs failed in clinical trials or never got past preclinical in the first place. Generic pharmaceuticals are safer but they've been stagnating too (e.g. Taro) since there are fewer and fewer breakthrough drugs being developed over time. I'm sure next big thing with pharmaceuticals will be biologics, generic or not, but good luck on finding a pick.

>>21705918
They did orange man bad all the way up to the last election. The market still skyrocketed after he was elected.

Also I have no idea what you're talking about with needing a recession. We literally just had a recession (still in it) and they generally only happen envy 4 years or so.

You're thinking of a market correction, which is completely different and not a big deal or described as a crash.

It's good that you don't vote. The idea that everyone should vote even if they don't pay attention is ridiculous. But trust me, if you think Biden is going to win, you absolutely do not want your money in equities.

KTOV is officially the largest single dumpster fire of a stock I have ever seen. +800% increase. Jesus, what's the split ratio on that one?

>>21706187
>>21706123
Its real, it did an x10
Brought for 300 bucks at 80ct months ago, im happy
But again i didn't buy more as it dumped, fuck me
Why is it so hard to lower your average

Why isn't baggie in here going crazy about it. Also when did they remove it from Robinhood

>>21706187
+800% seems like exactly the wrong time to buy in.

>>21706233
Oh really? what stock?

Oooo it's splitting Jesus fuck disregard. I thought it actually was pumping for you guys. Guess that's why I couldn't find it on Robinhood. Am retarded move along

>>21706275
Perfect time. Come on. Slap the ask

>>21706321
Good morning

>>21704396
so what happens exactly if you own stock you bought on the 22nd+?

>>21706261
>I've been in the market for a few weeks
>Already Gordon Gekko mode
Whew. Watch out!

>>21706275
they said that at +50%, +100%, +300%, and +500% too.

>>21706394
Exactly, just look at tesla.
Fucking buy ktov right now. Pump it

>>21706354
It's been a long morning already....
>>21706369
You still get the stock split. Any trading done after still gets the split only your brokerage will handle who gets what shares go where instead of Tesla issuing the shares to the recorded holder.

>>21706394
All of which happened this morning

>>21706387
Ive got a background in politics, I'm confident in making predictive calls where the influence is political.

>>21706268
Reee, its just a reverse split
Fucking jewery

>>21706261
recessions are pretty interesting when you realize we've basically always been in one.

>>21706408
see the problem is, TSLA and AAPL are name brands everyone knows and wants to own. im not worried about them as long as i don't see that changing, which won't be for the foreseeable future (although of course i keep tabs on the news and rumors every day just to make sure).

i have no idea wtf ktov is, and looking it up it's some meme penny stock so no thanks. no one knows what ktov is, no one has heard of it, im not buying your bags faggot.

>>21706264
10:1

>>21706408
>>21706440
oh wait nvm i thought you guys were talking about TSLA with the +800% lmao, disregard what i said im not supporting shitty no-name penny stock gambling. don't buy ktov, actually sell it right now if you own it.

Is everyone larping that they don't know KTOV did a 10:1 reverse split? I'm all for the jokes but I'm worried people believe it did an 800% overnight.

>>21706463
splits are interesting. reverse splits happen to shitty companies and the stock usually tanks afterwards. meanwhile forward splits happen to only the best companies and they usually skyrocket afterwards. for example pic related.

>>21706518
this anon >>21706187 >>21706408
is trying to get people to buy his bags. what a scumbag.

>>21706456
Getting a BA in political science is not a “background in politics.”

>tfw stayed up all night shitposting on /biz/

>>21706550
and this anon >>21706550
is an idiot that
1. doesn't get a joke
2. is a retard that believes smg can pump any stock

>>21706518
Buddy I own a 2000$ share of Tesla. There is nothing that makes sense anymore. Kodak went from 2$ to 66$ in hours from a loan. Soooo I wasn't against the idea that it may have been possible.

>>21706579
okay baggie

>>21706456
It's nice to hear you got out of the house and went on a BLM walk once.

>>21706605
I'm not complaining, just trying to make sense of absolute chaos

>>21706552
Sure it is, though I've done much more than that.

Just letting this here for a moment. Take care of it. I'll be back soon.

>>21706635
No need to get so salty, I was just trying to help you. I shouldn't have done that. You should invest based on your projections of the election results. I'm confident that you'll get what you deserve.

>>21706688
source?

>>21706577
I hope you've at least bought TSLA, last chance to buy it under $2000 for 5 shares.

>>21706688
Bullish sentiment, good.

>>21706785
I need SPY to hit 341.77 by the end of today or my options expire. I'm fucked, arent i bros.

>>21706755
Under 2100****

any good suggestions on TQQQ puts ? Every fuckin leveraged scam will drop to oblivion at some point
Also considering some short strangles on GM , where are my options lads ?

>>21706808
stop playing options you dumb cunt. if you just bought stock in something you could just hold until it became profitable at least.

Should i convince dad to chuck me 400 bucks for aapl? The thing is it's just gonna be a buy and hold and there is no hurry, aapl looks good on the future with ARM anyway

Give me 1 reason to not go all in on TGT

>>21706688
What defines dumb money?

>>21706844
hello newfag. zoom out on tqqq.
look what tqqq contains.
now gtfo retard

AAAHHHHHHH

zognald blumpf

who here /biz/rael?

rev up those
>NICE
>CHKP
>CYBR
>DOX
>WIX
>REFR
>FVRR
>MSFT
>INTC
>Palantir (pre-IPO)
and start counting your shekels

mandatory read (tl;dr: Benji & Singer hijack US tech via IDF personnel):
https://www.mintpressnews.com/neocon-billionaire-paul-singer-driving-outsourcing-us-tech-jobs-israel/259147/

>>21706930
hi there bulltard, do you math bulltard ? check what they are holding and how much they owe. enjoy your bags

>>21706015
>value stocks
not even once

>>21705799
Battery day is priced in at around several times its value already.
Stock will crash for sure after/during it. They‘d have to announce that they have new cars with unfathomable miracle batteries rolling out of their factories the next day to justify this hype.

1 missed call from my broker oh shit oh fuck

>open your trading website
>everything pumped overnight
>in fact everything is at a new ATH
DON'T FUCKING OUTKIKE ME TODAY, JEWS. MAKE THAT SHARE SPLIT A GLORIOUS ONE

>>21704668
>Big Green Wads oil poster
Virus only determines if oil gets slaped down again. You are actually pretty much seeing oil's recovery right now. OPEC member states literally cease to exist without POOMPING oil for even a few months since so much of their government and societal infrastructure is tied up in oil revenue.
That entire industry self inflicted a lot of this damage even before the possibility of a secular decline in overall oil demand within the next few years or decades. The oil futures tell the story that already factors in PENT UP DEMAND memes.
As long as credit is stupid easy and companies with low capex can get away for a decade or more without being solvent (Uber, Tesla, Instagram, Slack, etc.), the best growth in terms of margin and reach will be Tech. To best against Tech is to bet against the Fed's program of POOMPING easy credit into the market.

>>21707103
i don't believe that you're still holding KTOV
post a screenshot

>>21707089
exactly which is why i'll sell a couple of days before it even happens and wait for the dip. and even if it doesn't dip oh well i at least made some serious gains in only a month.

>>21707143
No, why would I? I'm all in on the Tech Bubble. It won't be easy to time the pop, but I've already made so much, it won't matter if I miss the top of tops and sell a bit lower than that.

how does AAPL's dividend compare to others? im thinking after i take my profits on TSLA before battery day im just going to add to my AAPL position and hold that forever until retirement.

>>21707024
you're a regurgitating donkey, the one that read here about false idiotic "leveraged decay" garbage spouted by idiots, then brainlessly repeats it while not having a clue about anything
tqqq only goes up. it turned 100k into 4 million in 10 years. so shut up and buy tqqq

>>21707249
AAPL is not even in Top 20 when it comes to div + growth ratio. You'd have to go for something else. Unless you like Apple and you think they'll be around when you retire (they probably will), so it's a guaranteed and safe gain, just not as big as it could be if you do some research.
>t. a guy who holds AAPL for years and never sold
Yeah, go for it, I've never regretted it.

bros tesla just doesnt make sense. making money is fun, but in order for it to go up after the dip, it has to have a trillion dollar valuation. im just going to take my humble profits and gtfo. im not ballsy enough to hang around like some of you guys. Godspeed to all of you crazy anons

>>21707113
This makes no sense, how the fuck am I seeing a recovery right now, oil stocks are at the lowest since the March dip.

If governments are as dependant on oil as you say, then there's also incentive for oil recovery. Not to mention the demand that has to be filled. We still have stockpiles from the supply glut, but once those are through you can bet oil stocks will be shooting through the roof trying to meet the demand.

What do I spend this cash on?

Tesla to 2300 today

>>21707293
didnt expect you to math desu,

There's currently over $100b in leveraged etfs with a 2.5x avg. leverage. And that's just the ones I managed to tally, there's a lot of dogshit small ones on top of that. TQQQ alone is now at almost $6b in AUM (topped in Fed at a little over $7b). Now, let's try to estimate what happens to TQQQ's AUM when BRRR = 1.0257. 3XBRRR = 1.0771. Take it at 3XBRRR = 1.07 to account for slippage in a medium-volatility environment and ignore the fact that the Nasdaq-100 would go up more than SPX anyway.

>$6,000,000,000 * (1.07^4) = $7,864,776,060
>$6,000,000,000 * (1.07^8) = $10,309,100,000
>$6,000,000,000 * (1.07^12)=$13,513,100,000
>$6,000,000,000 * (1.07^28) = 9,893,000,000.

there is simply not enough brrrr to even touch those levels. but sure keep buying tqqq , ill enjoy my puts in autumn

>>21707293
No point in buying nasdaq top 100 when you can get FNGU instead. They should put Microsoft instead of fucking Twitter though.

>>21707406
Nice gain yesterday, what was it in

>>21707390
It's just about weighing how much you're willing to cut from your profits to stay in the risk.

>>21706857
fair enough

>>21707406
My plan is to buy a house, I guess everyone here just wants to enter the Real Estate market one way or another.

>>21707293
Your leveraged etf, Sir.

>europe crabs into green
>here comes the fucking freefall again
UP
JUST FUCKING GO UP
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>21707390
You will despair in a week, oh you will despair. A month from now you'll buy back at a loss. See you then.

>>21707348
what are the top 20? but yeah i feel like it'll be around forever, everyone knows them and wants to own their stock so it's a combination of the divvy's + the share price should continue increasing a lot. i've seen some good divvy stocks but the company is shit and the share price is decreasing which worries me.

what are the top 20 div stocks and are any of them ones that should continue to safely see good share price gains for the next couple of decades?

>>21707428
and i'll enjoy buying the fucking dip
>>21707477
this is garbage

>>21707390
honestly it just seems like free money to buy and hold until 2+ days before battery day. hell maybe even battery day will make it spike up more but im not gonna take the risk because of buy the rumor sell the news. maybe i'll hold on to 1 of my 5 shares for it and gamble idk.

>tfw rode the 25% fcel wave and cashed out at the peak
>tfw immediately went all in on tesla at 1888 yesterday morning

Feels good maehng

>>21707455
that's the cool thing about buying stock in companies you actually believe in that are name brands everyone wants to own. imagine if you bought AMD before the covid crash, and just fucking held through that shit, you'd basically have doubled your money by this point. buy and hold is a helluva drug.

>>21707521
>Just sell before it goes down, bro
>Stonks only go up

>>21707506
High Divident ETF would be the best, but I think you're making a mistake. Dividends only make sense if you put in like $5,000,000 otherwise it's just so fucking tiny, even reinvesting it is not appealing.
If I had some cash right now and wanted to invest part of it into the stock market, I'd go 80% AAPL and 20% TSLA. Just make sure you're not going to sell them for the next 10+ years, buy every massive dip and watch it grow.

>>21707433
Thanks, Tesla and Apple calls

tqqq dead on open

>>21704330
always do the opposite what /biz/ says. it's going to be a red day bullcuck

>>21707582
no selling. just buying every dip.

>>21707590
Any calls for today as well? I'll lel my face off if TSLA pumps to $2100 EoD.

>>21707406
anything but a new car

overpriced cast iron cookware, stainless steel cookware, a new PC, a new phone, anything but a new car
if you have to buy a new car, just finance it, don't pay cash for it like my idiot friend who bought a new Tesla 100% cash in fucking March

>Tesla reaches the 2050's when I sleep
I always miss this shit

>>21707405
>This makes no sense, how the fuck am I seeing a recovery right now, oil stocks are at the lowest since the March dip.
Oil is cyclical, with some of the biggest boom and bust cycles of any industry. There is tremendous momentum that requires years to swing from one to the other. And all of this below super cycles for it. Oil got slammed because of simultaneous demand shock (from the virus) and supply shock (from the price war). Restrictions have been lifted or greatly reduced in much of the world and that caused the 400% increase in oil futures from March to May with a smaller shift in oil companies.
Oil doesn't have "price memory". It feeds off of demand and margins from the overall economy. But those shocks also inflicted pain that is going to take a long time for consolidations, mergers, acquisitions, etc. to take place simply because of how overleveraged they were. Only recently did they actually begin writing down their debt based on the price of oil
>If governments are as dependant on oil as you say, then there's also incentive for oil recovery
They CAN'T stop pumping long enough to cause the oil price to spike because of the large oil reserves everywhere. Oil at ~40-50 is not enough for much of the industry to remain solvent and so they are both crippled but kept barely alive. This just delays the actual bust recovery it needs. This was a once in a generation dumb move on the oil industries part and facing headwinds that might seriously and PERMANENTLY cut back on oil demand.
>but once those are through you can bet oil stocks will be shooting through the roof trying to meet the demand
Not for a long time. Midwit boomer oil meme holders are the boomer equivalent of zoomer airline holders.
You should be playing oil futures until ~$60-80, then big oil companies months later, then smaller oil companies if its higher, then speculative oil ventures (shale) if its still higher.

>>21707406
wish i had the balls and knowledge to make options, nice one lad

Tfw tesla moons again

>>21707728
What did I tell you about betting against the progress of human civilization?

I hate this market. There's not a single good deal.

>>21707661
He should've put it all in Tesla instead desu

What just happened with everything going down

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>21707848
INTC cheapies

>>21707848
Just buy tesla nigger

>>21707857
he did, but how much cash would anyone have left over after buying a tesla
huge tesla fanboy who bought the car and the stock, but at the worst time. He'd have money to buy 3 teslas by now if he didn't burn all that cash

BRO WTF

>>21707860
Every european stock market I'm looking at just fucking nosedived, jews pulled the rug.

>>21707963
>Every european stock market I'm looking at just fucking nosedived, jews pulled the rug.
Yes I know I'm in Europe and suddenly we dropped a full percent in half an hour

>>21707949
Markets Fall on Mass Realization that Covid was a Fucking Scam

>>21707249
AAPL has a shit dividend which is expected because even though it's a 2 trillion dollar company it is still a 'growth' company
Dividends are usually reserved for companies that have peaked and are growing slow and are getting so much revenue they don't know what to do with it except pay shareholders.
If you are looking for high dividends then go for REITs. They way they are legally structured they have to pay out 90% of profit to shareholders.
However, dividends are dumb and don't waste your time unless you already have 6 figures + to put into them.

I've had my buy order on TSM waiting for it to hit 74$. Hope it hits next week. I love that company, but I don't want to buy at current P/E.

>>21707974
Half a percent I meant

>bloody friday for markets
>tsla crabs
It's another day of this, isn't it

>>21707949
USD higher have euro PMI results dissapoint, sending equities lower

>>21708023
There is a shit ton of money on TSLA options expiring today. It'll crab wherever it makes most of the puts and calls worthless.

btw, for all of you holding TSM.
fundamentals strong as usual

>https://www.tsmc.com/english/newsEvents/blog_article_20200801.htm?s=09
Yield is big part to why TSM is winning against Samsung and Intel. Expect TSM to go back past 80 dollars soon, it's been consolidating for awhile and we're good for lift off once we get news about 3 nm or Samsung fucking up more.

>>21707993
My REITs have been taking a beating this week. Prob be a good time to buy

>>21708124
is IVR fugged or not

>>21708104
desu looking increasingly better long hold for transfer of tsla gains

>>21708124
I dumped the remainder of mine. Once i shed these silver bags I will be 100% tech. There is genuinely no reason not to be as a retail investor.

>>21708011
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20200821VL200.html
yesterday was the dip bro. Dip didn't make sense and it was just moving with the overall Asian market despite the fact that TSM wouldn't be hurt by fluctuating demand when they're fully booked and big tech companies (AMD and NVDA to name a few, never mind AAPL and even INTC recently) all compete for their limited capacity. Q3 will be interesting once we find out how much INTC is paying to suddenly get a huge order comparable to AMD's. Note that TSM is not interested in potentially short-term deals with INTC so either they INTC commits to long-term with them for whatever new product lineups they pump out, or INTC paid out the ass to get that capacity.

>>21708153
>shill holding IVR
Anon did you missed the real estate news from the US? No rents, no evictions, no renters, no money. 10% of Las Vegas is about to be homeless.

Who else is loading up on GT in their roth IRA?

>>21707589
that's sorta what im doing but 1/2 AAPL 1/4 TSLA. you really think TSLA is going to just keep going up over the next decade? i was thinking of selling before battery day and putting those gains into more AAPL. i save the other 1/4 for gambling on AMD daytrading.

it's more that i think AAPL will keep going up in share price, so the divvy is a nice bit of gravy. it's just that a divvy is nice if im gonna be holding for over a decade. im still a bit iffy on the long term hold thing, it worries me because who the fuck knows what catastrophes could happen in such a long period of time you know what i mean? but i know this forward split at least would be free money and now im thinking of just holding it long term now because why not, everyone knows apple and wants to own it. i guess i'd just keep up on the news with it and see if there ever comes a point where they don't want to own it. idk if i should bother trying to sell and then buy dips over and over either or if i should just hold it forever.

>>21708263
i mean longterm
i'm not holding any IVR

>>21707974
Almost every day this week has been this shit, it looks like it's going to be a green day and then everything starts dumping in the afternoon for no reason.

I'm done with PMs the eternal crab

>>21708282
no matter what sort of catastrophe it would be, if there was such a bad thing happen that your long time savings on aapl would be irrelevant the stck market would be the least of your worries, provided you have surplus money on food guns and ammo the rest is collateral if SHTF

>>21704278
What’s SHLL gonna do today? When does it become Hyliion? I have 400 shares I’ve been holding for ever

>>21707728
look up this picture in the archives. it's me telling you to fucking buy TSLA buy AAPL you fucking retard it's free money IT'S FREE FUCKING MONEY JUST FUCKING BUY TSLA BUY AAPL THEY ARE FORWARD SPLITTING JUST FUCKING COLLECT FREE MONEY IT'S SO EASY GOD FUCKING DAMMIT HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0akBdQa55b4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0akBdQa55b4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0akBdQa55b4

RUGPULL IMMINENT

>>21705697
>2015 book has about 1100 pages
>2018 book has about 300
Am I missing something here?

should I buy MSFT before the Tiktok decision or wait until after?
I feel like they wont acquire it, but will it hurt the stock or do investors not care anymore at this point?

>>21708363
OHHH MYYY GOOODDDDD -1% AFTER SEVERAL DAYS OF MASSIVE GAINS

>>21704278
good morning bros. hope today turns out to be a good one for everybody

having a comfy lazy friday working from home. can't wait for market open

Is everyone giving up on WKHS? It's going pretty low. Considering grabbing some more.

>>21708282
> you really think TSLA is going to just keep going up over the next decade?
Yes, but it will have selloffs because lots of dopamine-depraved zoomers are now in. Buy the dips but never sell your shares in the red. As it goes over the next 5 years, paper hands will be shaken off and mostly iron hands will hold TSLA, plus they have a Cult Following already.
If I was 25y old again and I had like $30,000 of savings and no debt, I'd go all in on AAPL and TSLA.
I predict the future where the stock market is full of mediocre $10 - $100 per share companies and like 5 or 6 titans that are $10,000 a share. Amazon, Apple and Tesla are a safe bet. Apple would cost a fortune right now if not for the fact that they've splitted 7-1 and 2-1 before. Now 4-1, you can see where this is going.

>>21708373
It's a book from 1994 what are you on about

>>21708408
Good morning, fren, mine's been shit.
>slept at 1:30 am because retard
>woke up 7:30 because theoretically classes @ 8
>teacher nowhere to be seen, no emails, classmates just as confused
My bed was especially comfy this morning, fuck me

feels like everyone is starting to expect a market crash

>>21708212
my question is: how long with the tech boom last? or to put it another way: what news should i be keeping an eye out for to know when i should sell? TSLA worries me so i'll probably just take my gambling profits before battery day but i'll likely end up half AAPL half AMD i think for long term holdings.

>futures

>8 am, bobos make their retarded predictions
>9 am, bobos get scared as things pump
>9:30 am, stocks open slightly red
>10 am to 12 pm, crab
>1-4 pm, stocks pump into the green
>bobos all but gone, only the most dedicated bobos remain, making wildly retarded posts of last minute rug pulls
>4 pm, stocks close green

>>21708451
Replace Tesla with bitcoin and you sound like the average retard in 2017

>>21708467
no, it's just you faggot bears who probably dont even have puts anymore

>>21708467
Europe is fucked, we didn't even rebound since March, all the companies are still tanked.
That is why I only invest in America.

I guess we're back to the dump before open and pump after open

>>21708445
nobody is giving up on WKHS it's just doing what it does
long holds have it propped up to the $15.50-$16 level while wolf-of-wall-street-wannabes move it up and down above that and shorts seethe
everyone is waiting on USPS contract news

>>21708481
AAAAAAAAA NOOOO I HAVE A CALLLL PLEASEEE

>>21708528
TSLA opening dump was instantly eaten up 3 times already, I wonder if they push down hard today.
No matter what the Jews are planning, I'm holding till the split. I want to at least be a part of that.

>>21708539
you have a call on what
futures?

>>21708451
i realize this but most of what im wondering about is if it is possible to time it well enough to sell when it's high and buy after it dips?

>If I was 25y old again and I had like $30,000 of savings and no debt, I'd go all in on AAPL and TSLA.

this is basically me except im 30 and have $60k and kinda feel like AMD is safer because of the new consoles and the potential of big navi. maybe im just retarded though and should hold TSLA and AAPL and stick to just day trading AMD for income (i usually make a couple hundred off of it per day)

>>21708524
Most indexes have recovered almost fully anon
Same in the US but we recovered slower

>>21708212
I was thinking somewhere safe and stable with dividend growth. Super low percentage. More of a experiment to feel comfortable enough to place my emergency savings into and use literally as a savings account instead of a bank. Definitely not ballsy enough to put it fully into stocks. That's on being poor most my life and digging up. To scared to risk like that

>>21708562
I have one on an unspecified company. just hope the futures don't affect it much

i bought some workhorse on a wim, when is the USPS contract supposed to be

>>21708510

lmao Y I K E S

relax buddy

>>21708569
AMD is long, mate, make some gains with tsla and aapl swings then consolidate for long on TSM and AMD

>>21708588
didn't realize you could buy calls on unspecified companies

>>21708539
cute hair + bows
I want to find a girl IRL with that kind of inhuman hair volume but I just haven't been able to, they are all lacking

>>21708463
I remember when I was in college I had to walk 3/4ths of a mile to one of my classes in negative degree weather only to find out class was canceled at the last minute

I don't miss college much except for the easy girls

poorfag here, how to spend my $445? im currently looking at O, STAG, and SJR

anybody considering buying norwegian air shuttle? trading for 1,2 nok , free stuff almost

>>21708618
Mine's the opposite, i have a fuckhuge climb to my apartment + humid and hot weather (south brazil, akin to greek weather), but still fucking sucks. Still 3 more years of uni, at least it's fun now.

>>21708618
>3/4ths of a mile walking
Just get a cheap shit bicycle for 50 dollars
T. Dutch

>>21708642
buy after the open dip on gevo
all on gevo

>>21708642
Buy a 530 apple call for 9/18

Last month I was sick of losing money so I went all in on SHLL at 19 and boy are things looking good for me

Get into your puts now! They're cheap! Betting on a drop happening in the next year is a sure fire way of making your money!

>>21708462
>2nd edition

>>21708642

you're going to stay poor if you don't invest in stinkies

sergery solved the oracle problem, get on while it's still cheap.

>>21708571
When I look at individual stocks most of them seem to not be even close to fully recovered while indexes are reaching ATHs, I don't like the look of this and I'm holding heavy bags.

>>21708608
they're all long though, im mostly wondering about whether you can time this shit or if i should just pick one or two, put all my money in and wait a year or a decade.

>>21708354
Drop after bell like usual, then slow crab down for a few weeks until merger in mid-late Sept

>>21708682
>bicycle on freezing weather
enjoy at the very least a huge slip, at worst straight into traffic

>>21708695
why

>>21708505
>comparing a real company with a fake currency

????

>>21708726
Same story is the case for the US.
Most companies haven't recovered at all aside from tech and Zoomer stocks

>>21708725
i already have some linkies. no way im buying in right now and ive got burned bad by STA.

>>21708761
>Bicycle in freezing weather
Yes so?
Just bike slower and it's only 3/4th of a mile anyway

>>21707644
I’m just holding my Apple calls now. I was down like 4K on a Tesla call then it came back to 3k positive in one day. Kinda scared to jump back into Tesla at this point

Alright friends I have $700 cash sitting in my account what’s a quick play I can do to turn that into a grand by 10 am

RED FUTURES

FUCKKKK I HAD 1500 FUCKING USD IN KTOV BUT I SOLD AT .85 LIKE A PUSSY

FUCK I THOUGHT I MISSED THE DIP WHY DIDNT I BUY MORE

FUCKKKKKKK GOD WHY DID YOU GIBE ME PRESERVATION INSTINCTS FUCKKK

why the fuck did i let you clueless assholes fud me out of AEYE

>>21708858
options trading. Go all in, you might win, you'll probably lose. but hey, you're the one who wants to win 10 grand

>>21705362
you're a good poster, fren, glad to have you with us

Shill me some good companies to chip $200 into every month? I don’t have much money left to invest with so want to grow my position in something good.

>>21708872
BRO chill its a fucking 10:1 R/S you mongoloid. Good thing you got out when you did.

>>21708872
>>21706463

>>21708872

It reverse split you faggot it didn’t actually go up. It’s trash.

>>21708927
>>21708937
what does that mean? I'm legitimately retarded

>>21708470
Why not just got half TQQQ half FNGU? You get all the tech exposure + leverage
Or like
35% TQQQ
35% FNGU
20% TSLA
5% AMZN
5% AAPL

You can adjust/swap as needed.

>how long will the tech boom last?
Around the mid 2000s were entered a new paradigm where the more technical advanced a business was the more of a competitive advantage it had.
As time went on the amount of tech needed to run a business increased as did tech for leisure activities and basically just everything in life.
Around the last 5 years is when people really started to realize this.
Think of it like this. In the gold rush era you could either mine gold or sell shovels. Technology is to business as shovels are to gold mining. Fuck investing directly in new or existing businesses just invest in the tech they use to stay relevant.
Corona virus really made everyone realize that there is no point in investing in these blue chip companies anymore. What you'll see is more and more people divesting out of companies like coca cola and 3m and into companies like apple and tesla.

>>21708863
>aapl and tsla up by more than 0.7% regardless
there is literally zero point in not going all in on t.fagman

>>21708965

For every 10 shares you held they combined into one share. It raises the price so they don’t get delisted.

>>21708984
you retards want to get your hands burned dont you, AVOID LEVERAGED ETFs for fucks sake, buy the shares if you want long term, buy normal ETFs

>>21709021
this is what im thinking. im not even interested in ETF's i'd rather just hold shares of companies.

>>21708887
Hes only looking to make 300 you blind bastard

>>21708965
How many shares did you own? If you would have held, you would have 1/10 of that now. The amount of money invested would not change, the number of shares you own change. The simplist way I can think of explaining it besides that is the company decided to do deflation, burning stocks to raise the value of each share. The opposite of inflation, which would be raising the number of stocks it has to devalue the price of each share. Hope this helps.

>>21709021
retard

WHAT EUROPEAN PUTS TO BUY IN CASE OF CRASH THIS WINTER ?

LETS MAKE A BIZ BEAR STRATEGY FOR THIS WINTER

>>21709084
i am actaully blind and retarded.
>What the fuck is a broker?

>>21709100
Why is every r*ddit bullfag sperging about it like they hit bank then?

>>21709113

Mother fucker don’t talk to my boy that way we’re cold blooded traders dude we’ll come to your house right now and fuck your dog and force you to buy lci

>>21708984
>Think of it like this. In the gold rush era you could either mine gold or sell shovels. Technology is to business as shovels are to gold mining. Fuck investing directly in new or existing businesses just invest in the tech they use to stay relevant.
>Corona virus really made everyone realize that there is no point in investing in these blue chip companies anymore. What you'll see is more and more people divesting out of companies like coca cola and 3m and into companies like apple and tesla.

i don't really agree with dealing with leveraged ETF's but this actually sounds like a pretty good point/metaphor. the main reason why i like AMD so much for example is because the new console generation (xbox and playstation) are using AMD chips. it's another guaranteed free money machine.

>>21709144
SXXP puts ending in December

>>21708984
>new paradigm
Time to exit the market

>>21708574
You'd still be better not worrying about dividends and just going all in on AAPL which will see pretty consistent gains that will still outpace the S&P500

>>21709165
because they're from plebbit, and are college students addicted to Adderall

>>21709165
go back to them, you belong with them because you sperged just as much

KTOV!!!!!!!

>>21709144
dax
>>21709113
nigger

>>21709190

looking for a smarter play tbqh
If market drops, i'm thinking banks would drop the hardest.

What do you think ?

>>21709241
can't fucking believe we've made it. fucking +850%.
literally retiring and buying a mcmansion

>>21708965
Yes, we can tell.

>>21709241
im actually going to kill myself if i see 1 more sperg talking about this shit stock

>>21709241
>10:1 reverse split
>dumping for sure today
RIP ktov anons

>>21709241
REVERSE SPLIT!!!!!!!

damn this is getting tiresome how long are we gonna have to deal with this meme people are trying to push?

>>21709215
>>21709221
How much animeposting must I do for redemption?

>>21709212
This is true. Just felt like a more comfy place I'm exchange of a savings account. Once the account is where I want it all the rest of my money weekly would go straight into stocks

>>21706925
It just means retail

>>21709287
didn't TSLA and AAPL pump after splits? why would this one dump ?
;^)

>>21709021
Yes why would anyone want to make gains when they could instead be making significantly less gains.

Last 30 minutes, I always get nervous on Fridays.
Bought TSLA not so long ago, but it feels like a year when I look at these colossal gains. Even if it pops, I don't think I'd go heavily in red, if at all.

>>21709304
none, anime posting makes it worse. I only accept Kim Possible posting.

>>21709021
>AVOID LEVERAGED ETFS REEEEEE

Ok bro. Go compare QQQ vs TQQQ and FNGU vs FANG. Set the time frame for inception date of the respective ETFs and then give me a single reason why you shouldn't long term hold leveraged tech ETFs.

>>21709264
Depends on how the European union and eurogroup will handle the incoming financial crisis and political crisis because of the resulting tensions between northern and southern Europe and already zombie banks becoming even less profitable than they are now.
It's just delay and pray, extend and pretend at this point until there is a sudden big event of a bigger player becoming in trouble, probably DB

>>21709287
>look up KTOV on ToS
>HTB

god DAMMIT, every time

>>21708907
Any anons got any advice?

I have apple calls. should I sell at open or hold till later?

>>21706925
normies. not-institutions.

>>21709405
Depends on expiry. But selling at open gives you FREE theta premium for shorter dated ones.

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bitter

>>21709423
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>>21709316
Go look at bond yield rates and savings account yield rates. Stocks are the new bonds. If you shit tier growth and stability go invest in 3M or JNJ. If you actually want to make some money in the safest possible way go all in on AAPL.

>>21709347
because the nature of leverage, i have already explained above that it doesnt fuckin add up , brrrr is not infinite

>>21705390
They key is to think like a clown and you'll make a killing in this market

>>21709347
do it for us and post a pic, im lazy.

>>21709394
voo

>>21709383
they removed 90% of the float, there's less shares available to borrow. it's going to moon now that all the people who shorted have to cover while there's less shares to trade. we're going to the fucking moon!

>>21709344
checked and tasteful.

Elon wants 2500 up 2% pre market

How we feeling about TQQQ?