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>Homepage
https://kleros.io/
>Whitepaper
https://kleros.io/static/whitepaper_en-8bd3a0480b45c39899787e17049ded26.pdf
>Yellowpaper
https://kleros.io/static/yellowpaper_en-28d8e155664f3f21578958a482f33bd1.pdf
>Where to buy
Uniswap or Kyberswap
https://kyberswap.com/swap (download app)
https://app.uniswap.org/#/swap?use=v1

>> No.21633283

previous bread
>>21623101

$0.25 WAITING ROOM

>> No.21633314
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>>21633250
sir i feel the cosmic energy flow through me as i do the needful, sir

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>>21633250
When will noPNKers realize?

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>>21633250
I BELIEEEEVE!

>> No.21633502
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Let's go!

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I can't wait to laugh at the retards that buy my bags at $1

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>>21633250
Don't forget to "follow" the price of Kleros on coinbase and bump this post so others will do the needful

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>>21633511
sir, wondrous blessings are upon as as your dubs show

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>>21633250

To any new projects... if your project isn't Kleros "escrowed" we won't be buying it.

>>21631283

>> No.21633882

HOLY
SHIT
A KLEROS JUST FLEW OVER MY HEAD

>> No.21634048

where to buy this coin?

>> No.21634062

>>21633250
FUUUCK I WANT MORE PNK, I ONLY HAVE 3.5K

>> No.21634103

>>21633250
So what's everyones stacks looking like?

15k here. Pretty happy with it so far. Slow accumulation is still underway.

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>>21634103
30k and comfy

>> No.21634206

hello sirs,

just did the needful and bought 12k pnk.

>> No.21634243
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21634243

Kleros Escrow for /biz shitcoins is a brilliant idea, to the anon(s) who came up with it.

>> No.21634257

>>21634103
11k. Hope that's enough, as I can't do much more atm. Really need my unemployment money. Literally been waiting five months.

>> No.21634285

>>21634048
sir

>> No.21634303

>>21634103
90k

>> No.21634309

>>21634048
Uniswap,,

>> No.21634332
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We are the PNK Latrines and we're never selling

>> No.21634334

>>21634257
i feel you I got mine hella late too. Got a job now though because I dropped all my trump bux on crypto. A lot of people got theirs late. I just hope you get it before this shit hits .30. Goodluck

>> No.21634339

>>21634103
51,000 bought at an average of like 2.2 cents, feeling comfy sir.

>> No.21634364

2.5k pnklet here

>> No.21634413
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get in chutya
we're taking this madrachod to the moon

>> No.21634433

>$30 fucking dollars in gas to use curate
This is retarded.

>> No.21634434

>>21634048
coinbase>buy eth> transfer to wallet>wallet to uniswap>trade eth for pnk

>> No.21634503

Reminder to New PNK adjudicators not to worry about anons with giant 100k stacks. They got in super early, but rest assured even at near 20¢ we are all super early. You'll make it if you hold

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i am getting antshares vibes sirs

>> No.21634605

>>21634339
I wish I would've respected the PNKers a little bit sooner. I kept doubting the shilling back when it was .02 - .05 and didn't start watching until .06

I didn't end up buying until .09, but I have no regrets. I still feel early, but just not mega early like some of you were. Congrats to the people who got in under .05, you are all gonna make it.

I was too caught up buying LINK and XSN to give this project a read.

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sirs
i hereby announce biz in contempt of court for their fud against most needful coin

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sir
you can have pinkies but you can't have my pinkies chutya

>> No.21634724

>>21634103
10k suicide stack

>> No.21634735

>>21634605
bought all mine at 17 cents and still comfy. Even if I have to wait a year for it to be worth $1 that's still a lot of money off an initial investment. I do wish I would have done my research earlier though, too caught up in the LINK pump

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sirs when are we listing on bisexual finance and cohnbase

>> No.21634831
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Liz loves PNK!

>> No.21634904
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Official Kleros thread theme:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vTIIMJ9tUc8

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they see me rollin, chutya

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>>21634904
no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdyC1BrQd6g

>> No.21634998

>>21634103
51k. /comfy/

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>>21634413

>> No.21635083

>>21634103
19k, hopefully 30k once my money settles later this week

>> No.21635105

My dad was sentenced to one year in Kleros jail today for posting racist memes on /biz/. I don't know how long he will last in the mines. Does anyone know how parole works on the Kleros blockchain?

>> No.21635125

Is this a meme? The indian fud unironically worked on me

>> No.21635171

>>21634977
checked sir!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVRVr4ycuew

>> No.21635195

>>21635125
oh anon...

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>>21634103
35k, wanting to reach 50

>> No.21635317

>>21635125
>he doesn't realise that all PNK holders being pajeets is part of the meme
Nmgi anon.

>> No.21635511

>>21635125
Congrats, midwit

>> No.21635537

>>21634735
>$1 in 1 year
This is FUD. They'll be available on Binance for $1 and on coinbase for $5 by EOY

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>>21634977
CHECHED VISHNU AND BASED PRABHU DEVA POSTER SIRS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7CxJiMnCDc

>> No.21635917
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21635917

TUNAK TUNAK
TUNAK TUNAK
TUNAK TUNAK
DA DA DA

TUNAK TUNAK
TUNAK TUNAK
TUNAK TUNAK
DA DA DA

TUNAK TUNAK
TUNAK TUNAK
TUNAK TUNAK
DA DA DA

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>>21633250
we are all going to make it
goal 100k pnk

>> No.21635966

>>21635511
>>21635317
To be honest I'm also not very confident about using uniswap + metalink
Also ofc I know it's just memes, but normies aren't gonna be hyped about it if /biz/ makes it seem like a total shitcoin

>> No.21635968

>>21633250
OOoooOOooOOOooo

>> No.21636258

>>21635966
once we have our stacks the memes will be snooty athenian/olympus posting

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>>21636258
indeed sir

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More doing of the needful is needed sirs.

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>>21636498

>> No.21636575

>>21635966
metalink? that sounds pretty badass ngl.

>> No.21636729

>>21636575
Metamask lmao
I have link on my mind, sorry
>>21636258
>>21636405
Aight I'll fomo in a bit

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How much village sewer stack sirs? Tattad Tattad 2 cows EOY Tattad Tattad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwpowSHHLJE

>> No.21637260

1.5K meme stack to participate in threads. I’m just here for the luls & memes. Congratulations to the anons that gave 10K+. Y’all will make it when we reach $1 EOY

>> No.21637303

>>21637260
*have not gave

>> No.21637311

>>21634103
7,5k, I will put 500 eur a month for the next 10 months. Is that good?

>> No.21637359

>>21635039
I am happy

>> No.21637381

I traded all my Link for PNK in the ico. Have been buying more and more pnk every week until about 2 weeks ago when gas got crazy. Whenever gas costs come back to earth I'll return to buying pnk weekly. Will continue to do so until $1

>> No.21637687

>>21633427
Sir general counsel please advise me. I have some wealth in other coins. Should I sell them and buy more PNK? Will PNK decrease temporarily? What if other coins moon more? Should I ask this question in the Kleros court?

>> No.21637788

>>21637687
balance your portfolio

>> No.21638104

I AM CUMMING SIRRS

>> No.21638192

>>21634103
1k ultimate poorfag, bought today too : ( i had some months ago and sold too early

>> No.21638228

>>21637311
Yea you’re gonna make it

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>>21634103

242K (5% of my portfolio). DeFi investor here. I was curious about the contract settlement game theory logistics as the DeFi space expanded into more complex financial instruments. Especially smart contract insurance and human-labor smart contract agreements.

Couldn't find a protocol that solved this game theory. Nexus Mutual and Numeraire claims to have solved it, but their white papers had numerous nodes that failed to clearly ensure an unbiased outcome on the decision making process.

Kleros does a good job at it. I respect what the team is doing and believe that other applications will soon seek partnerships to have human judgement guide its workflow.

>> No.21638746

>a 15 hour cancellation preceded by a 10 hour deposit transaction, neither of which ever showed up on etherscan, fucked me over from making .19 eth of a retard who made a typo
Fuck me.

>> No.21638914

>>21634503
what is the target?

>> No.21639122

>>21637381
If you really did this, you're retarded for missing the 9x gains you could've got from LINK

>> No.21639203

>>21634103
400k and comfy. Not selling 1 PNK before $5.

>>21638914
$20 eoy 2021

>> No.21639435

>>21633250
binance fag here

is there a way i can buy on kyberswap/uniswap/bitfin and move the tokens to binance or would I have to just keep them on a local wallet?

>> No.21639481

>>21639435
keep them in your local wallet fren
you'll lose ur pinkies otherwise

>> No.21639581

>>21639481
thank you pajeet. so just buy on one of those exchanges then move to local wallet?

i am not used to using those sites so its gonna take me a bit to get used to it, but I'd honestly like to take a strong position here. I've just gotta move the $ over from Binance and figure out all those steps in between.

>> No.21639643

>>21639122
well it's only a matter of time before PNK surpasses LINK in value within the coming years, so it doesn't seem like a bad investment decision in the long run desu

>> No.21639715

>>21639643
why would you sell your entire LINK position, though? Ive been all in link for 3 years and I'm thinking I might shave 5-10% of the position to invest in PNK, but I could never see myself just dumping all my LINK

>> No.21640196

>>21635125
Lmao

>> No.21640668

>>21634332
Base

>> No.21640764

All my other coins drop while PNK continues to rise, I need more than 3,500

>> No.21640986

>>21634332
based chutiya

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only have 24k pnk

Will i make it anons

>> No.21641111

I check out the Kleros official forums. What a cancer fest. They are trying to approve minting new Kleros coins (per the original plan to mint 1 billion), on schedule, because they need them for liquidity and incentives for their staff. Community is lashing out at them cause they're retards and think this will cause inflation. After reading the forums a little I honestly worry that the devs might be too beholden to the community and it might cause them to fail.

>> No.21641634

>>21641011
How's $500k sound

>> No.21641663

>tfw the jury reads off their votes in Kleros Kourt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3gTqCAnN7w

>> No.21641789

>>21641111
Care to elaborate? Because surely creating more coins WOULD devalue the existing ones?

>> No.21641859

>>21633250
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.21642040

>>21634332
kek at "pnk latrines"

>> No.21642060

>>21634831
pnk loves liz

>> No.21642153
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>>21634831
based cutie poster

mwah

>> No.21642205

>>21642153
I hate this weird gay furry shit.

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>>21642153
cute

>> No.21642532
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hi

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>>21642368
cute posters unite

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>>21642620

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>>21642620
Share more

>> No.21642885

>>21635966
>but normies aren't gonna be hyped about it if /biz/ makes it seem like a total shitcoin

> he doesn't know.

O anon please look back at early 2018 linkies posts. dyor faggot and youll see. aint going to spoonfeed you shit. join the kleros telegram if you need someone to spoonfeed you how to use uniswap baby ass bitch.

>> No.21642930

>>21633511
>imagine selling at before it hits 20$

ngmi

>> No.21642950

>>21642885
is it always so hair pulling in court?

>> No.21642994

>>21639122
PNK went x20 in the same timeframe, retard

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>>21642205
I guess we have to accept it, but I stopped posting memes since these fags showed up.
t. Fellow top 200 holder

>> No.21643048

>>21633434
THAT KEK HAS A PLAN FOR ALL OF US

>> No.21643063
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>>21642999
We'll post memes for you anon

>>21642994
based

>> No.21643068

>>21641789
You can read about it here:
https://forum.kleros.io/t/cooperative-kleros-pnk-allocation/375

Team directly (and patiently) responds to the backlash and debunks concerns.

>> No.21643120

>>21642999
checked
tfw used to be top 200 but got pushed out of the list just recently
feels bad man

>> No.21643124

>>21643063
>Literally too lazy to insert any kleros into your meme

>> No.21643145

>>21643068
i'd vote on an unlock
why wouldn't you want the team to have more money to make dapps with?

>> No.21643160

>>21641789
yeah this.
>>21641111
fucking checked. this shit is making me FUD. link that forum thread

>> No.21643180
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Kleros camp for all the no-klerers

>> No.21643186

>>21643145
>why wouldn't you want the team to have more money to make dapps with?
They aren't out of money. Please read the thread.

>> No.21643230

>>21642532
Hello my pnk bruder sir

>> No.21643267

>>21643068
btw didn't mean it as "you" specifically i meant just in general

>> No.21643359

>>21641111
Are you retarded? That vote was months ago & passed...

>> No.21643378

>>21643359
The answer to your question is yes. I am completely retarded. I had no idea this was an old passed vote.

>> No.21643400

Sirs where do I stake to do duty bring honour to family and earn more needfuls sir?

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>>21643378

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>>21643124
ok

>>21643068
Intresting.. hm

I wonder if they can mint this in even smaller intervals, preferably 100M or less.

I understand they need incentive, but 200M is a LOT.
They probably want to mint this now because in a few months this is big cash if you convert it to $US. Right now it "just" feels like $147,000,000, which is still a whole fucking lot.
Why do they need 200M?

>> No.21643522

>>21643443
Well it doesn't matter because according to >>21643359 this is old news. I'm just glad this is an anonymous basket weaving forum so I don't have to carry the weight of my stupidity into the next thread.

>> No.21643534

>>21634103
1MM PNK which cost me about 60ETH back in January. It’s now worth 414ETH

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Anyone else HODLing until at least $15?

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>>21643522
Oh sorry I'm retarded, this was posted in April.

Alright, the first FUD ever that actually got me for a moment there. Pretty much balls deep in PNK at this point

>> No.21643653

>>21643621
lol pleb
i’m hodling until $20
t. 190k pnkie

>> No.21643666
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>>21643621
24k and hodling

>> No.21643725

>>21643666
check’d n kek’d, $15 EOY

>> No.21643758

>>21643443
>>21643522
>>21643629
They still have another 250m or so PNK to mint. So we're not done yet, but last time all the top holders backed the devs (because at they time they provided some very good reasoning) and the retards with <10k pnk tried voting no. It passed like 80%

>> No.21643790

Instead of posting crazy numbers why don't we all wait to reach $0.50 first?

>> No.21643795

>>21634103
30k. Gonna slowly build to 100k

>> No.21643855

>>21638420
Numerai’s Erasure solves the sale of information asymmetry (research, 0 day bugs, analysis, etc). Could you elaborate on what you mean? I love both

T. NMR @ $5.40, PNK @ $0.008

>> No.21643871

>>21643758
If it comes up again, the next morning process. Get vocal on their telegram & Clement will obviously provide solid reasoning

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>>21643790
No.

>> No.21643900

>>21643758
It does make sense for them to mint more, I just found the amount peculiar considering its current value.

I'd be happy to vote for 50M or even 100M in the next round.

250M would be "acceptable" but in my opinion high. But considering they have handled the previous funds in a good manner I'm not directly opposed...

Anyways we will see how it goes when they need to mint more haha

>> No.21643935

So how does this compare with Aragon? Doesn't aragon want to do the same thing?
Unlike PNK aragon is already used for DAO.

>> No.21643938

>>21643855
Furthermore, Erasure’s architect also said that it will need arbitrators for certain cases. Says so here @ 8:50
https://youtu.be/d4odFnl72m0

Definitely an integration for Kleros

>> No.21643990

>>21633250

What just happened with Ghost is a perfect example of how Kleros could have helped ... if funds where locked and could've been refunded to people !!!

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How do I buys without such petrol fees sirs?

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>>21643935
ANJ is a plagiarism of PNK with worse tokenomics that make the platform vulnerable to sybil attacks. Also Jorge is mentally unstable and you should not trust him with your money. Pic related, cannot wait until ANJniggers kill themselves

>> No.21644101

>>21643900
50M i think would make sense, seeing as though 250M would blow their entire load at once

>> No.21644102

>>21643935
Aragon is trannycore sir, the needful is to be done by real humans not trannys. By shiva if you support aragon you will die. Pnk is memetic hindu village mystic power. Pnk has given my village 3 day of electricity and many goat
Do the needful.

>> No.21644105

>>21643935
Aragon is all about holders of a token being able to vote on decisions. Only thing you need is to have an amount of tokens at the start of the vote

On items in the Kleros Court a random selection or jurors will be picked, only they can vote for that court case. They will stake an amount of PNK and risk losing it if they pick a minority vote. This automatically weeds out people without knowledge about the subject and pays jurors.

This creates an actual incentive to be a juror if you're knowledgable about a certain subject, if this gets big, being a juror could technically become your job if you have a specific high-level skill (like blockchain expert at the moment)

>> No.21644112

>>21643534
wew
lad

>> No.21644157
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>>21644105
Also unless you mean Aragon Court, that shit is a bad ripoff lmao. Fuck ARJ

>> No.21644226

Sirs, are there any rumors of upcoming exchanges for this coin?

>> No.21644333

>>21644226
future exchangings would be good but village is uncertain of listing dates sirs

>> No.21644412

>>21644226
I mean OKEx just listed PNK recently, its only logical at some point bigger players also enter the game

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>>21644056
Jorge, yeah, what a fuckin’ faggot. Who has the other screen cap of him being called out for washtrading. He wrote something among the lines of “who cares, it isn’t illegal.” Pic related.

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>>21633250
QQQF is a tokenized index that tracks crypto and defi.

https://www.standardcryptofund.com/

https://www.standardcryptofund.com/

>> No.21644521

>>21644443
This is the equivalent of a regular old boring investment.

Just invest in the coin or token you want and either make it or lose it all. Why would I buy QQQF

>> No.21644541

>>21644443
>https://forum.kleros.io/t/cooperative-kleros-pnk-allocation/375
lmao you tried to get checked, but you failed. gtfo

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>>21633250
Sirs, I sent all my pinkies to my ledger and paid a massive gas fee.
Can I stake from my ledger or do I have to send them back to metamask and get gas raped?

>> No.21644671

>>21644575
The fuck.. yeah of course you can send from your ledger, that's the entire idea.

The ledger holds everything and just signs transactions.

>> No.21644745 [DELETED] 

>>21644671
Bro, what?
I'm asking if there's a way to stake them on my ledger.

>> No.21644752

>>21633427
>When will noPNKers realize?
They'll realize when it's too late.

>> No.21644842

>>21634103
102k. Want to get it up to 200k before it hits $1

>> No.21644859
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Greetings, sirs
My name is Ranesh Pratekash, I 46 years old, I joined a picture of me in attachment.
Today I provide new well for village after small sell of pnk, village elder thank me and it make my neighbor, little weasel called Abhishek very jealous, he ask me where I found money, I say curry business, haha he believe me.
Anyways tonight I make love to my wife thinking of Kleros, by Ganesh it will bring me the most beautiful and smart sons.
May Vishnu watch over your crops,
Ranesh

>> No.21644870

>>21644745
I don't understand your question? Why would you need to move from your ledger to metamask??

You can literally connect your ledger through metamask, there is no reason to have funds inside metamask...

If you stake you will need to send the PNK to a contract that holds it until you withdraw them again. If thats your question

>> No.21644924

I dont know if I can hold my 500k stack from 1$ to 4$, let alone a hypothetical 10$

>> No.21645143

OKEx is bigger news than you realize. Have you noticed how the daily volume has increased? That means moon in the mid term.

>> No.21645202

>>21644870
>You can literally connect your ledger through metamask, there is no reason to have funds inside metamask...
Got it. I'm retarded and paid extra gas for no reason but this will solve my problem.

>> No.21645239

got a little 3k bag

>> No.21645267

i'm a retarded newfag, is there really no way around $20 gas prices

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>>21644924
don't be a retard.
you need to have iron hands but a good exit plan.
sell a certain % of your stack at points like 2$ -5$ -10$ never sell everything and also don't sell nothing. gonna be full of regrets.

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>>21645267
Welcome to the Ethereum network, enjoy your stay

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>>21645143
Yeah, we are over 3x the previous all time high for volume

>> No.21645530

Asked in the telegram and got not responses so I'll ask here.

I've read a bit about the whitepaper and I understand that most cases will not have the jurors known. 302 was an exception. If that is right, what is stopping the "hidden" jurors from joining a telegram/discord group after providing proofs that they are actually jurors, and voting together in a certain way?

Perhaps I missed it in the whitepaper or maybe its in the yellowpaper somewhere?

>> No.21645700

>>21645530

smart fuckin anon here.

since we're not shitposting for a sec, a followup here is: what's in it for the jurors to collude in the first place?

>> No.21645782

>>21643666
Dem trips

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>>21645530
>>21645700
the cases are rather low profile, there's really nothing much in it for the jurors to go through such long hoops to come together most of the time.
but, you just got a response in the telegram.

>pic related

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>>21645700
A guaranteed win. But "colluding jurors" would only be an issue if it was 51% or more that plan to vote the wrong way just to vote the wrong way. If 51% of the jurors get together and decide based on the evidence to vote a certain way...all you have is a completed case. Otherwise, its just a smaller group of people deliberating and deciding which way to vote that will give them a profit by giving the correct answer. There's nothing wrong with that. Itd actually be cool to see people organize that way when using the platform.

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>>21635105
Your father lied son... the Chad-Jurors reviewed his case and found him guilty of providing the semen to create an ANJ copy court believer.
The sentence was removal of his testicles and reintroduction into society in another part of the world. They didnt take your testicles because you believe in ANJ and that makes castration redundant.
*bangs PNK gavel*

>>21635537
As previously stated in prior cases, all price predictions are FUD. A ruling has already been made and shall be maintained.

>>21637687
The Chad-Juror >>21637788
Has already answered your question. Sentencing beyond this point is up to him to pronounce.
*bangs PNK gavel*

>>21639481
*bangs PNK gavel*

>>21645267
The Chad-Jurors are working on this thievery but ita an uphill battle.
There is no sentencing to be handed out here, only annoyance.

>> No.21645838

>>21645530
Nothing really other then decency, but how will they even find each other? All you know at best is someones ethereum address...

Even if they attack the system by magically being able to find the jurors on the case, the case can still be appealed, this will require double the amount of jurors (+ one more). If that still isn't pleasing enough it can even be appealed a third time with even /more/ jurors (again double + 1)

Cheating the system becomes progressively harder and more expensive, likely even impossible at a 3rd appeal just due to the sheer size.

The White paper talks about this some more, I recommend reading it. Part 4.7 talks about prevention from bribery.

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>>21645202
Just found out there is a bug in the way the ledger nano s interacts with windows 10 making it impossible to connect to metamask.
They've known about it since may 2019 and still havent fixed it.
Fun detected

>> No.21645908

>>21645831
>>21645795
>>21645700
>>21645530
Collusion doesn’t really work because in the back of everyone’s mind they’d be wondering if they were being set up as the odd one out so everyone else splits their PNK

>> No.21645910

>>21645893
Huh how

Are you sure you're using a browser like Google Chrome that supports WebUSB? Haven't heard of this issue before

>> No.21645971

>>21634904
BASED

>> No.21645989
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I can't stop laughing at these repeated pnk memes.

>> No.21646180

a way to reduce these bif gas fee ?

>> No.21646329

>>21645910
Yeah, I use chrome. Also tried firefox.
There is a workaround for the bug if the hardware wallet is already set up. If not, shit out of luck

>> No.21646339

>>21645700
>what's in it for the jurors to collude in the first place?
To make sure they always win.

>>21645795
Thanks for the response here too. I'll read about 5.3. To me I think long hoops is subjective. We live in absurd times, people go through quite a lot for extra money, even if it may not seem much to you.

Will the cases every be high profile? Is there a certain limit right now that causes Kleros to be ineffective and real courts should get involved instead?

>>21645838
>how will they even find each other?
Public forums. /biz/, discords, etc. After that all they have to do is prove that they are actually a juror. I think the appeal system answers me though. I'll read 4.7 from the wp as well as 5.3 from the yp. Thanks.

>>21645908
Collusion definitely works. And you're right, but we both know that people aren't the smartest when it comes to money. People get scammed all the time. Just look at Ghost today.

>> No.21646346

i can guarantee you by the end of this month pnk will be under 10 cents
you all fell for a pump n dump

>> No.21646355

>>21646180
Apparently using round numbers helps

>> No.21646377

>>21646329
you can setup your ledger with your phone if im correct.

>> No.21646397

>>21646346
Guarantee with a warranty?

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>>21646339
>Thanks for the response here too.
Im not the dude as you can see from the colour of the message.

otherwise I would use this opportunity to cause some massive FUD by calling you pic related.

>> No.21646412

>>21646355
ok gonna try ty

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>>21646403
Yes I am a dumpass.

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>>21646453

>> No.21646493

>>21646377
hmmmmm...
Looks like there is a metamask mobile app,
and I already have ledger live on my phone...
this might work, thanks.

>> No.21646516

>>21634103
101k, gonna sell some to get to a flat 100k because it upsets my autism

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>>21646339
>To make sure they always win.

Regarding this, the yellow paper has the following graph about a 51% attack.

There is no financial incentive to do so as exploiting it would directly cause the token to drop in value

>> No.21646755

>>21646585
>There is no financial incentive to do so as exploiting it would directly cause the token to drop in value
imagine if ANJ devs got mad at kleros and just bought a shitload of tokens to run kleros to the ground

>> No.21646828

>>21646585
I'm still not convinced by this, for starter in crypto prices do not always reflect this kind of events, and the holder can sell them fast enough.
Second of all maybe he's ready to lose money in order to win the case

>> No.21646989

>>21646755
Then ANJ just looks like shit in comparison so they crash too.

Then it just requires a majority vote to revert or make changes to the contract, this will temporarity harm PNK as will generate major FUD for a little while. It should functionally be able to recover though

Keep in mind doing this attack either way would be quite expensive, so someone really has to be on the verge of suicide and just wants to go out all or nothing.

I still highly doubt you will be able to find jurors willing to participate. Keep in mind their tokens will be harmed as well, anyone involved in the Kleros ecosystem would not benefit from this.

>>21646828
I think for the 51% attack to work you need to submit changes to the contracts, its not just about controlling a single case as the profitability is quite low (Why would you 51% the token, if it means you may gain $500-$2000 worth in arbitration)

Controlling the contracts would mean they need to submit a vote and wait for it to expire. In this time people would have long sold their tokens if this is found to be 51%'d

Ask the Kleros team if you want to be sure, I don't want to call myself an expert on Kleros but I've read most of their papers.

>> No.21647026

>>21646989
Sorry for the double enters, this looks retarded. Hope you can read it without too much eye strain anons

>> No.21647041

>>21646585
I read this, but it doesn't answer my question.
In my situation it is about collusion between jurors. It has nothing to do with one person owning 51% or buying more PNK. In my question all jurors would seek out a private telegram/discord that is linked to from public forums regarding the case in order to collude.

They seek this out, not only because they want to discuss their case, but also because if they sought a way to collude they would have no chance at losing any money.

Although I might see something like 100 USD as being monopoly money, others are very serious when finances are involved.

Others might also collude just to "win"
Which is related to >>21646828
>Second of all maybe he's ready to lose money in order to win the case
Although that likely won't happen, there will be people who care more about winning the case than losing the money.

>> No.21647134

>>21647026
based

>> No.21647162

>>21647041
>In my question all jurors would seek out a private telegram/discord that is linked to from public forums regarding the case in order to collude.

There is no way to prevent this but there is no incentive for them to do either. There is no way to know absolutely for sure they are not bullshitting on each other.

Even if an attack succeeds, it can be appealed which will pull double the jurors. These are all new jurors as well, so the entire "search" would start from the beginning.

If every juror is flawed then the product is flawed, yeah. But due to the requirements of staking and the money involved I highly doubt there will be a surplus (50%+) of idiots.

>> No.21647207

>>21647162
>there is no incentive for them to do either.
I think the incentive is to win the case/money.

But with the appeals I think you're right. I will read more about that. I think the answer to my question is in the appeals, but I'm curious on how that can't be exploitable.

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>>21633250
friendly reminder sirs that the corruption/bribery problems is solved through appeals and the Schelling point

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>>21635105
I'm pretty sure racism gets you sent directly to the ETC mines, I'm sorry but you will never ever see your father again, in fact he's probably already dead by now

>> No.21647308

>>21647026
>Sorry for the double enters, this looks retarded.

>>21647162
Literally did it again fuck me, it always looks pretty good in the reply box but absolutely ridiculous once submitted.
Time to go to bed, its 01:30AM

>>21647207
>I'm curious on how that can't be exploitable.
Its obviously still exploitable, but again only if the people have bad intentions from the start. I really find it hard to come up with a case where they would even consider teaming up, the financial incentive must come from outside and not from within Kleros. The court makes them money, but not enough that teaming up would benefit them.
Also again most jurors will not publish their contact information next to their wallet address, it takes a lot of time, planning and "hope" they can reach out to at least 51%+ of them.

>> No.21647503

>>21647041


The people who want to make money are incentivised to select the correct answer. This topic has been done to death by thousands of autists on here and real legal professionals who work in the adr field who consult for kleros.

The risk of beging scammed, having people fake they are in the jury, appeal jury overturning the decision from your jury are both astronomically unlikely from a probability standpoint, let alone a game theory/schelling point perspective.

You are trying to play the martingale method on a roulette board at the casino - and forget that the house always wins, no matter how water tight your plan seems.

>> No.21647695

>>21647503

all these smart fuckin anons comin out the woodwork

based as fuck

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sir if you want me to help you with your kleros dispute, I need you to download a program sir. its called teamviewer sir.

>> No.21648014

Can't wait for my USD deposit to hit CBP in two days so I can buy more Pinkies sirs. I already liquidated my XTZ into PNK. Debating on if I should liquidate OXT as well but I got in that at a good price. I really don't want to sell any Linkies.